Tips Winning Strategy And Tactics For Roulette

[Jackmaster]

Hello All,
Pl let me know if this post is not as per forum rules.
With few years of practice I now have have an overall strategy and underlying tactics to steadly increase the balance in Roulette (like 10% increment on your base principle every day, double in a week or so). I call this Value Playing.

I can demonstrate this while playing live in real money online casino, as many times. And you can BYOG - bring your own game! I can show my skills of consistent profits in any online roulette game you bring. (Can I be more fair !)

I have collaborated and validated this with some already.
Looking to discuss this and partner further with more Big Ticket Players looking to consistently gain from their play, including doubling their fun. Reach out if you want to explore.

 

[dunover]

Hello All,
Pl let me know if this post is not as per forum rules.
With few years of practice I now have have an overall strategy and underlying tactics to steadly increase the balance in Roulette (like 10% increment on your base principle every day, double in a week or so). I call this Value Playing.

I can demonstrate this while playing live in real money online casino, as many times. And you can BYOG - bring your own game! I can show my skills of consistent profits in any online roulette game you bring. (Can I be more fair !)

I have collaborated and validated this with some already.
Looking to discuss this and partner further with more Big Ticket Players looking to consistently gain from their play, including doubling their fun. Reach out if you want to explore.

Not against forum rules to talk about your 'strategy' as long as you aren't marketing snake oil maths to others on here.

Just to warn you to expect contrary opinions from other members who know you cannot beat random games with an inbuilt house edge in the long term.

"Show me a man with a system, I'll send a taxi for him" says the casino manager.

 

[Lemon]

Hello All,
Pl let me know if this post is not as per forum rules.
With few years of practice I now have have an overall strategy and underlying tactics to steadly increase the balance in Roulette (like 10% increment on your base principle every day, double in a week or so). I call this Value Playing.

I can demonstrate this while playing live in real money online casino, as many times. And you can BYOG - bring your own game! I can show my skills of consistent profits in any online roulette game you bring. (Can I be more fair !)

I have collaborated and validated this with some already.
Looking to discuss this and partner further with more Big Ticket Players looking to consistently gain from their play, including doubling their fun. Reach out if you want to explore.

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[Jackmaster]

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Thanks for reading!

You are making fun of yourself, as I said I can prove the strategy in any Roulette game you bring to me, for as long as one wants to observe - daily, weekly , monthly. Your environment and my skills.

 

[Lemon]

You are making fun of yourself, as I said I can prove the strategy in any Roulette game you bring to me, for as long as one wants to observe - daily, weekly , monthly. Your environment and my skills.

And you'll do all of this for free?

I would love to know what makes you think that a random casino game like roulette, with a return to player of less than 100%, can be beaten long-term.

I'm curious to find out how someone can make a consistent profit on roulette when each spin will return 97.3% of their money on average (single-zero used as an example here), no matter how they lay their money out.

If you strip away the theatre and presentation of roulette, really all you're doing is handing money over and getting 97.3% of it back on average each time. If you came to my house and for every $100.00 you gave me I gave you $97.30 back, you'd eventually realise that you're throwing money away and the outcome isn't going to change. Roulette is exactly the same, albeit with a bit more variance and volatility added, which allows for extended periods of winning occurrences - but ultimately with enough play, everyone can expect to lose, even those who have experienced more than average luck. This is an undeniable mathematical fact.

I'm interested in finding out more about how a random game, where each spin is independent and wherein future outcomes therefore cannot be predicted based on previous play, can be beaten.

I'm interested in all these things, but I'm not buying your book or paying $50 a month for some strategy guide which more than likely involves the Martingale system or some rubbish about covering numbers that haven't landed for a while, as that involves linking games, which is a common trap players fall into.

You're either a snake-oil salesman trying to profit from other peoples' misery, or you've been getting lucky on roulette recently by betting in a certain way, and this has skewed your expectations and perception of what roulette really is like.

All you need to know about roulette is that on the previous spin, this spin and any future spins, you're getting 97.3% of your money back. This number doesn't ever change from one spin to the next, and as a result of this built-in disadvantage, long-term expected profits are impossible.

Good luck with your book or whatever the fuck it is you're trying to flog, but don't expect anyone on here to be as polite as I have been in this post.

 

[neilw]

Hello All,
Pl let me know if this post is not as per forum rules.
With few years of practice I now have have an overall strategy and underlying tactics to steadly increase the balance in Roulette (like 10% increment on your base principle every day, double in a week or so). I call this Value Playing.

I can demonstrate this while playing live in real money online casino, as many times. And you can BYOG - bring your own game! I can show my skills of consistent profits in any online roulette game you bring. (Can I be more fair !)

I have collaborated and validated this with some already.
Looking to discuss this and partner further with more Big Ticket Players looking to consistently gain from their play, including doubling their fun. Reach out if you want to explore.

I'm interested, please explain.

 

[Mouse75]

I'm interested, please explain.

Interested?!?! Or Just super concerned incase someone has found an IT flaw to exploit. Cos lets face it, if you a moderator of live games, you know roulette cannot be beat in the long term.

@Jackmaster as he says @Lemon has been pretty polite in his reply and with a decent explanation to boot. More so though, IF you, or anyone in the world, had a genuine provable method - you would not say a word, you would exploit til you were banned everywhere, then recruit a tiny number of friends to do the same. The MILLIONS you could make, would far outstrip trying to get a few quid for your book or method or whatever,

An entertaining post though - so thanks.

 

[Jackmaster]

Thank you for your replies.

There is a saying in Cybersecurity (Or any security domain) - "If there is a doubt whether something is right or wrong, consider it to be wrong" so you are absolutely right in being skeptical.

I mentioned that my method steadily increases your balance like a value stock, no one will become rich overnight. There can never be any 100% fool proof method, if there is, casinos will cease to exist.
The method has an overall strategy and Risk Mitigation tactics, and these tactics keep your balance positive.

Besides I didnt mention about any book or selling anything. At this point I want to explore if this works in all scenerios. All I ask is this -

- Can any member(s) find a virtual roulette web game or a google play game, where they will be the owner/admin, add me as a guest player, let me play from my device and try to make consistent profit every day. And then paste the results in this forum. -

This being a casino forum, I believe we should be allowed to have such collaborative experiments.

If not, then lets close this thread.

 

[mulven]

Interested?!?! Or Just super concerned incase someone has found an IT flaw to exploit. Cos lets face it, if you a moderator of live games, you know roulette cannot be beat in the long term.

@Jackmaster as he says @Lemon has been pretty polite in his reply and with a decent explanation to boot. More so though, IF you, or anyone in the world, had a genuine provable method - you would not say a word, you would exploit til you were banned everywhere, then recruit a tiny number of friends to do the same. The MILLIONS you could make, would far outstrip trying to get a few quid for your book or method or whatever,

An entertaining post though - so thanks.

I think Neil was politely trying to get the OP to divulge his savant strategy for beating spinny wheel ball so that we can tear it apart.

You highlight one of the biggest red flags with any story like this, if someone is smart enough to find a lucrative exploit or something such thing, they are also smart enough to keep tight lipped. Reminds me of how most "gurus" selling courses make most of their money from selling courses rather than from what the course is on, usually rent/hire the cars/house they show off.

 

[Jackmaster]

Gurus selling the courses simply sell the courses. They themself can not prove or guarantee the outcome of their courses before courses begin.

There is no selling or showing off here.

Only an attempt to prove something practically rather than claiming it. This doesnt take anybody's dollar.

 

[mulven]

Thank you for your replies.

There is a saying in Cybersecurity (Or any security domain) - "If there is a doubt whether something is right or wrong, consider it to be wrong" so you are absolutely right in being skeptical.

I mentioned that my method steadily increases your balance like a value stock, no one will become rich overnight. There can never be any 100% fool proof method, if there is, casinos will cease to exist.
The method has an overall strategy and Risk Mitigation tactics, and these tactics keep your balance positive.

Besides I didnt mention about any book or selling anything. At this point I want to explore if this works in all scenerios. All I ask is this -

- Can any member(s) find a virtual roulette web game or a google play game, where they will be the owner/admin, add me as a guest player, let me play from my device and try to make consistent profit every day. And then paste the results in this forum. -

This being a casino forum, I believe we should be allowed to have such collaborative experiments.

If not, then lets close this thread.

You'd have to do a statistically significant number of game rounds which would take longer than you'd assume.

To cut a long story short, it'll be an incremental progressive strategy with something fancy like Fibonacci and the reality is you haven't had that long streak of bad RNG yet.

If this was about live roulette, it would be a more interesting topic since that's a game that has attack vectors, exploits and has been beaten previously via things such as computation or exploiting a detectable wheel bias due to environmental factors. When it's just hard coded computer roulette there is no wiggle room, only -36/37% stake per round.

 

[mulven]

Gurus selling the courses simply sell the courses. They themself can not prove or guarantee the outcome of their courses before courses begin.

There is no selling or showing off here.

Only an attempt to prove something practically rather than claiming it. This doesnt take anybody's dollar.

I brought it up not because of something being sold but the fact that the gurus are selling the course to make money, not because the subject of the course is particularly profitable or unsaturated. If it really was such a money making machine they wouldn't be telling the masses, at least not until the main window of opportunity had passed, which is why you often see courses for stuff once a market has become heavily saturated.

If you had managed to do something no one else in the world has done in the 350+ years roulette has been around, you wouldn't be trying to find partners on forums and show off your strategy, you'd be keeping quiet and deploying as much capital as you can to maximise your returns and compound them.

 

[Jackmaster]

We can harp on historical evidence as much as we want.

I am not revealing any strategy here, yet. I want to first test it with others. The purpose of any strategy should be to intelligently make consistent profits, rather than playing for 12 hours to test if the game can beat you.

How about I get any virtual online roulette game (or more than one), by any member here, I decide that I will increase x amount everyday. And I do this continuously for 30 days, or even 60 days. Will that not be a validation of my strategy, regardless of anecdotal evidence or pure statistics ?

Think where do you see scam here ?

 

[mulven]

I've done some digging and it seems like you are trying to get people to approach you privately so you can show them a strategy that will, in the short term, almost guarantee a small return. Then you will pitch some sort of mentorship that involves money changing hands. That's an assumption, however with the amount of copy and paste spam on other forums, I wouldn't be surprised if you are just casting a wide net to try and catch some marks.

You also mentioned plugging in the math to excel. Surely you could extrapolate it to hundreds of thousands of rows and show the profit and loss, no need for messing around with BYOG. Oh and remember to apply table and bankroll limits accordingly

Interestingly you seem to mention that martingale variations are one of the methods you teach. I did see another post you made elsewhere that acknowledged that you'll eventually hit the bankroll killing bad luck so I'm not sure how your variations mitigate this unavoidable eventual outcome.

Ironically you made the below post in a discussion about blackjack, a mathematically solved game.

You can follow an approach and whilst you'll lose sometimes very badly, it's +EV and your graph will point upwards long term.

You haven't broke any rules yet but it's clear you will private push your system once you have someone transfixed by your claims.

Respect for using proton though, love them.

 

[Jackmaster]

I've done some digging and it seems like you are trying to get people to approach you privately so you can show them a strategy that will, in the short term, almost guarantee a small return. Then you will pitch some sort of mentorship that involves money changing hands. That's an assumption, however with the amount of copy and paste spam on other forums, I wouldn't be surprised if you are just casting a wide net to try and catch some marks.

You also mentioned plugging in the math to excel. Surely you could extrapolate it to hundreds of thousands of rows and show the profit and loss, no need for messing around with BYOG. Oh and remember to apply table and bankroll limits accordingly
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Interestingly you seem to mention that martingale variations are one of the methods you teach. I did see another post you made elsewhere that acknowledged that you'll eventually hit the bankroll killing bad luck so I'm not sure how your variations mitigate this unavoidable eventual outcome.

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Ironically you made the below post in a discussion about blackjack, a mathematically solved game.

You can follow an approach and whilst you'll lose sometimes very badly, it's +EV and your graph will point upwards long term.

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You haven't broke any rules yet but it's clear you will private push your system once you have someone transfixed by your claims.

Respect for using proton though, love them.

Again you are using the word "Claim" when there is no verbal claim here. I am giving freehand to anyone to test me for this strategy for any duration, in any environment and I want to partner with others. There is no dollar involved in this testing phase.

Again wondering, where do you see the scam ?
If I want to coach people in football after showing my skills live on field, is that a problem ?

 

[mulven]

Again you are using the word "Claim" when there is no verbal claim here. I am giving freehand to anyone to test me for this strategy for any duration, in any environment and I want to partner with others. There is no dollar involved in this testing phase.

Again wondering, where do you see the scam ?

Testing phase implies there are follow up phases which implies later stages involve money changing hands. Some would call it a scam because you are tutoring people on how to lose 2.7% of their money per spin when people are very capable of doing that on their own.

 

[Jackmaster]

You are repeating the same standard script which you write everytime someone "Claim" something.

There is no claim, there is no tutoring here.

Nevertheless, I was looking to perfrom experiment with my approach with anyone observing/tracking for credibility. At the most the approach could have been proved wrong.

If the inherent belief in this forum is that players are always (or eventually) SUPPOSED TO LOSE in casino games, then I rest my case.

Apologies if any forum rules broken.

 

[itsme123]

You are repeating the same standard script which you write everytime someone "Claim" something.

There is no claim, there is no tutoring here.

Nevertheless, I was looking to perfrom experiment with my approach with anyone observing/tracking for credibility. At the most the approach could have been proved wrong.

If the inherent belief in this forum is that players are always (or eventually) SUPPOSED TO LOSE in casino games, then I rest my case.

Apologies if any forum rules broken.

Whats the ultimate goal if and when your system gets tested? Is it to allow the testers to keep the system and accumulate whatever money they want from it and keep for themselves?
What do you get out of it once the testing process is completed?

 

[Lemon]

You are repeating the same standard script which you write everytime someone "Claim" something.

There is no claim, there is no tutoring here.

Nevertheless, I was looking to perfrom experiment with my approach with anyone observing/tracking for credibility. At the most the approach could have been proved wrong.

If the inherent belief in this forum is that players are always (or eventually) SUPPOSED TO LOSE in casino games, then I rest my case.

Apologies if any forum rules broken.

I think you're wasting your time on this site with regards to your theories about roulette. There are many experienced and knowledgeable people on here, from game designers and mathematicians to casino game operators. Practically every single step in game conception, development and testing, deployment and finally live operation is represented on these forums. People have seen and heard the stuff you're talking about multiple times over the decades they've been working in this industry.

Your theory appears to be based on playing roulette in a very low-risk way early on, maybe using some sort of bet-size strategy like the Kelly Criterion, to lure people into thinking you have a system that works. Once you get them to that stage the grifting will begin. A small number of people will be very unlucky and simply lose their stake before they get to this point (and they will turn out to be the lucky ones), but the aim is to get as many people as possible to believe that you've got a system that works and then they will be open to whatever manipulation you're willing to inflict on them.

I call this the 13th-player scam - 12 players see very small profits, such as 5% of their initial stake and the unlucky 13th player loses everything. Roulette returns the 97.3% it should but you've lured the 12 'winning' players into your web of deceit.

The idea of 'mentoring' players on the best way to play roulette is utterly laughable as @mulven has said above. They're still going to lose their money when that unlikely-but-inevitable scenario eventually comes along. You might be tutoring them in the best way to enjoy roulette and make their money last as long as possible until their bankroll runs out but let's face it, you're not are you? You'll be luring people in with promises of consistent winnings that cannot be substantiated.

You haven't addressed any of the questions that have been put to you so far in this thread, even the simple ones. Don't forget to answer some of these will you? Especially the ones where you're asked to explain how a random game with a built-in house edge, each spin independent from the last can be beaten consistently.

In the meantime, this thread is quite entertaining, so...

 

[mulven]

I call this the 13th-player scam - 12 players see very small profits, such as 5% of their initial stake and the unlucky 13th player loses everything. Roulette returns the 97.3% it should but you've lured the 12 'winning' players into your web of deceit

Reminds me of the thing Derren brown did with horse racing. Almost the opposite way round but does remind me of it.

Says he developed a system to beat horse racing and gets 7776 people to place the bets according to the system. 1/6 of the people are guaranteed to win each race so when they do they get the next bet and the others are dropped, then on the next race another 1/6th win for a second time in a row. This repeats and the people that continue to win begin to believe in the system. Eventually, one person will have won one six times in a row and could definitely be convinced to put tons of money on the best horse because they think they are guaranteed to win

 

[newton0038]

I If I have 10 results from 10 spins recorded play, Tell me the numbers

 

[johnnymcc1966]

All you need to do is to keep picking the right number. Simples.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I remember when Galewind Software had one of their main head honcho/developer guys active here at CM, and there'd been some kerfuffle about some online casinos going on about banning 'advantage play' with bonuses or prohibiting the use of 'unusual play patterns' and whatnot.

The Galewind guy was like, 'Come to any casino powered by our software, knock yourselves out, if you think you've got a system to beat our roulette, then I welcome you and your money with open arms to do whatever you want, because when you've finished, we'll have paid out 97.3%'.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't think this is the exact one I'm talking about, but it's along those lines, here he is saying 'You want to use robots/bots to play at casinos powered by our software? Cool, we don't give a shit'.

The point being, as others have said in this thread already, is that you absolutely can't beat the maths in any of these games, and anyone who's telling you they can, is telling porky pies.

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Post in thread 'Pinnacle/Galewind T's & C's'

May 8, 2012

Regarding "Robots" and "Alternative Client Interfaces": I went to the Casinomeister home page, followed the link to the first of the "Casinomeister's Picks" - SlotoCash - and went to their Ts&Cs page.

(I'm not kidding - I did no more searching than what I have documented above.)

On there I found the following. (NOTE - I added the highlighting.)

All wagers must be placed through the user interface provided by Sloto'Cash on our Web pages. Any Internet wagering through other means, including the use of a "robot" player, is strictly forbidden.

If you are found...

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So, Bottom Line:

Galewind/Pinnacle does not have a "No Robots Allowed" clause in their T&Cs.

1. We don't care if the Player is using a Robot.

2. Attempting to prove it "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" is not possible.

Therefore, Galewind/Pinnacle will never "... cancel your account ... void any winnings and confiscate any balance in your Casino account ..." through the application of this clause. (That's also a quote from SlotoCash's Ts&Cs.)


Galewind/Pinnacle does not have a "No Alternative Client Interfaces Allowed" clause in their T&Cs.

1. Their use has not benefited the Player by 1 penny in profit

2. Their use has not cost the Casino 1 penny in loss.

3. The worst that could be said about them is that they clutter up the log I mentioned earlier. In other words, they're annoying.

Again, Galewind/Pinnacle will never "... cancel your account ... void any winnings and confiscate any balance in your Casino account ..." through the application of this clause.

 

[dunover]

You are repeating the same standard script which you write everytime someone "Claim" something.

There is no claim, there is no tutoring here.

Nevertheless, I was looking to perfrom experiment with my approach with anyone observing/tracking for credibility. At the most the approach could have been proved wrong.

If the inherent belief in this forum is that players are always (or eventually) SUPPOSED TO LOSE in casino games, then I rest my case.

Apologies if any forum rules broken.

There's no 'supposed' about it- players WILL lose over time, exactly as the immutable maths and game designs ensure.

That's why generations of players have come and gone, all with their tales of woe and triumph but the casinos are all still there, the only constant in the equation.

The fact you require a group of players to run your 'system' simply tells me at least one will be designated the fall guy, there's some kind of numerical stratification the same as pyramid selling schemes use.

Which will sooner or later collapse for the same reasons as the 'system' will as the maths and money supply are unsustainable.