Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories

[Pinababy69]

How true Swamp, and how sad really. It wouldn't surprise me if you are totally correct. There's only one word to describe the sheer volume of this marketing campaign.....saturation.

On your last two terms, I'm almost scared to go and punch them into the search engine, and I mean that. I would put nothing past them at this point, nothing.

 

[GrandMaster]

They also missed out on home equity loans, but otherwise they seem to have covered pretty much everything.

PS. If you really want my personal opinion, I would say that the March 2005 activities are probably no different than those practiced by numerous other casinos and affiliates. I would therefore say that their activities only became malicious recently.

Shouldn't ecogra approved casinos be held to a higher standard even if many others are using sleazy marketing strategies including spam?

 

[spearmaster]

Shouldn't ecogra approved casinos be held to a higher standard even if many others are using sleazy marketing strategies including spam?

Absolutely, positively, YES.

 

[swampwitch]

Shouldn't ecogra approved casinos be held to a higher standard even if many others are using sleazy marketing strategies including spam?

Sure. That SHOULD have been caught before approval. Since this particular casino group had a pretty good reputation, I could see how eCOGRA might have thought deeper digging wasn't needed, and I'm willing to give them a little slack. Very little slack.

Home equity loans? Considering this campaign so far, I don't know how they missed that. The day is young, though.

How about "sex-change operations", "global warming", "pyromania", and "incest"? Ooo. Maybe I should apply for a job.

 

[Pinababy69]

They also missed out on home equity loans, but otherwise they seem to have covered pretty much everything.

Well, there was one about high interest mortgage rates, that's pretty close.

 

[Sodax77]

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[Pinababy69]

I thought I would do a quick run through of all the links I have sent to Andrew since Thursday, and there were many. All now simply redirect to the site with page not found showing in the browser, EXCEPT for these four.

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I'm dumbfounded that two of the most offensive ones (suicidal and breast cancer) are still active.

Again, if anyone else finds more, please let me know. Thanks.

 

[GrandMaster]

Apparently Jackpot Factory staff don't know what's on their own webpages, that's the impression I get from the e-mails. Wild Jack seems to be the most infested, with some 12900 pages, and I bet 99% of those is keyword rich advertising.

http://www.wildjack.com/anorexia-and-black-jack.php is another fine example of responsible casino advertising, as is http://www.wildjack.com/been-mugged-wallet-stolen-play-and-win.php

 

[Linus]

No offense, but you're kidding right? No, these are not real letters by real people. This is a marketing ploy, plain and simple. Text rich in keywords intended solely to garner hits in search engines.

I also never had anything but good experiences with Jackpot Factory. Good and friendly customer service, quick payouts, generous comps, they had it all. But just because a casino pays its customers on time and throws bonuses in their accounts, does NOT excuse this behaviour. There's a bigger picture here...it's how people perceive the online gaming industry as a whole. And this whole episode screams SLEAZY!!

Sorry, I disagree.

It's true that sleazy marketing hurts the industry's image, but not as much as casinos that slow-pay and no-pay their customers.

The biggest problem with the image of the industry has to do with guaranteeing payouts and fair games.

Mind you, I'm not condoning sleazy marketing...

But marketing, sleazy or otherwise, is mainly an issue that concerns affiliates, not players.

 

[Scooter7]

Sorry, I disagree.



Mind you, I'm not condoning sleazy marketing...

But marketing, sleazy or otherwise, is mainly an issue that concerns affiliates, not players.

How many people would be so disgusted at a company attaching themselves to something like the following that they would choose not to spend money with that company?

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(from a link posted by another member)

It concerns everyone.

And it should be of extreme concern to Microgaming, as their name is used directly in this article (and others, I assume).

Every single clean operator in the business should be putting pressure on MG to shut this group down for the sake of the industry. This affects software developers, casino operators, affiliates, players, and any agencies like eCOGRA that claim the following on their website:

eCOGRA is the independent standards authority of the online gaming industry, specifically overseeing fair gaming, player protection and responsible operator conduct.

Prompt payments, safe storage of information, random games, honest advertising, and responsible behavior by the online casino and poker room operator are the primary concerns of every player, so that means they are also the primary concerns of eCOGRA, "eCommerce and Online Gaming Regulation and Assurance".

 

[spearmaster]

It's true that sleazy marketing hurts the industry's image, but not as much as casinos that slow-pay and no-pay their customers.

Let's not get sidetracked here. All three of those issues you mentioned above are important.

But marketing, sleazy or otherwise, is mainly an issue that concerns affiliates, not players.

Disagree.

It's not the SEO bit that I'm worried about, nor do I think a webmaster would put this above the fact that the stories deliberately prey on weak people - taking their minds off of suicide, breast cancer, etc... let's not even talk unethical. This is simply immoral and, as you can see, has been universally condemned.

Some of their SEO efforts do not make use of these stories - as ugly and as dumb as they may seem, at least some of these excerpts don't try to take advantage of people who have other more important issues in life.

Yes, there are definitely issues that affect affiliates more than they do players - such as changes to agreements... but this issue really is about sleaze, sleaze, and nothing but sleaze (ok ok, greasy is an acceptable alternative description). You don't take candy from a baby just because you can. And you don't take advantage of the weak just because you can. This is totally below the belt and absolutely positively not acceptable under any circumstances even if these excerpts had NOTHING to do with search engine positioning. If I read this in a magazine I would be just as outraged.

 

[Sodax77]

My other post:
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I just talked with FWC and ASC, because they are guilty to copyright violence. Referring some texts. Even they put some "All Slots" or "Slots" words, this and there, and even this guy don't work in their company anymore. Some texts are (still) copyrighted. Period

So, it is just....

SEO optimizing and maybe they someday know/understand, what this symbol mean:

©​

And this group stole copyrighted material

 

[Linus]

Sorry, I didn't mean to sidetrack anything. I do agree; it's sleazy, and unacceptable.

 

[jetset]

Grandmaster, the answer to your rhetorical question on whether eCOGRA casinos should be held to a higher standard than others not committed to a form of regulation and standards is (from my perspective) YES.

Scooter - another excellent post, which I have forwarded to eCOGRA. There were other examples of this rubbish earlier which pulled Microgaming into the mess, and I made sure those went to the CEO of that company yesterday.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I thought I would do a quick run through of all the links I have sent to Andrew since Thursday, and there were many. All now simply redirect to the site with page not found showing in the browser, EXCEPT for these four.

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I'm dumbfounded that two of the most offensive ones (suicidal and breast cancer) are still active.

Again, if anyone else finds more, please let me know. Thanks.

This one still here, redirects to A "home page" but a mere copy with this text underneath in dark, but still just visible without Highlighting.

If this is NOT one of the above, then it is clear that nothing has really changed at all even now. They have just added a home page for the benefit of those who try the links, and we think they are now "gone", far from it, these are NOT "the home page", they are copies on the server still there for google ranking, and the text CAN still be read, and the intent is clearly to continue to market in this manner, AND with these controversial search terms, but attempt to lessen any "offence" by ensuring that human eyes do not accidentaly see the text any more.
The above 4 have now also been "fixed" in this manner!
Only the ones that redirect to the promotions page are REALLY gone, and I bet they have just renamed the links so we can't use our old ones to prove it!

Anyone have a site scraper? What else might be hidden there!

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[Pinababy69]

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The above 4 have now also been "fixed" in this manner!

Hi Vinyl, when I click on any of the above four links, I still get the full page, with visible text? Is it just me?

 

[Vesuvio]

Hi Vinyl, when I click on any of the above four links, I still get the full page, with visible text? Is it just me?

No, I can still see everything (cancer, suicide...) when I click on them.

 

[Renegade]

Anyone have a site scraper? What else might be hidden there!

As a webmaster, I do have a program that can copy an entire website.
I can copy their site, every page of it, but would only do so at the request of Byran and Spearmaster. And ONLY if it would help resolve the issue instead of adding to it.

 

[Webzcas]

Anyone have a site scraper? What else might be hidden there!

This is a good utility and does not copy the site, but indeed examines all the pages of a website by following the internal link structure.

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[Renegade]

The program I have copies everthing, and I only use it to make a back up copy of my sites in case something happens to my pages. I can then delete them all and upload my copy.
The site scraper is also good, mine would allow one to read everything on the pages...
I just offered it in case it is needed.

 

[loganberry]

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... Playing slots actually worked. I did stop eating chocolate and lost a ton of weight.

Probably from the missing pounds in your pocket, eh?

Pinababy, although this thread is less offensive that most of the others, it too is still active.

Also a comment to a poster who stated that anyone who believed this BS probably got what they deserved...

When you are depressed, or desperate, then chances are that you have temporarily lost all hope. The real world demands too much of you, and nothing seems important any more. But beneath all of that is a part of you that never really stops looking for a glimmer of something which can help guide you back from the darkness.

And that is what these revolting stories offer - false hope to feed your false dreams. So even if whatever is left of your rational brain understands the nonsensical nature of what you are reading, it still doesn't stop you from thinking that perhaps this is the 'something' you so desperately seek.

And to play on that fragility is perhaps the most damning thing that these stories do.

And yes, this is the voice of experience speaking.

 

[Scooter7]

Decision time for all

And that is what these revolting stories offer - false hope to feed your false dreams. So even if whatever is left of your rational brain understands the nonsensical nature of what you are reading, it still doesn't stop you from thinking that perhaps this is the 'something' you so desperately seek.

And to play on that fragility is perhaps the most damning thing that these stories do.

And yes, this is the voice of experience speaking.

Very well stated.

Every person that is aware of this situation has a decision to make. IMHO they have three choices:

1. Who cares? I'm an affliliate/player/developer/webmaster/casino operator and I make money from this. What's the big deal?

2. I disapprove. I'll take my business elsewhere/promote someone else, etc.

3. I disapprove. I'll not only take my business elsewhere, I'll actively publicize this incident. There is strength in the combination of truth and numbers. The more people hear about it, the more likely the entire industry moves in a positive direction that leads to a better player experience and more revenue for the operators in the long run.

 

[Pinababy69]

Another great post Scooter. And really that is the bottom line AND the point I was trying to make in the thread I started re: affiliates. Sadly, I really think that alot will take option #1. Unfortunately, when money is involved, morals tend to fall by the wayside. There will be a few who will take #3, I'm just not sure if it's enough to make a difference. I can only speak for myself when I say that I am firmly behind #3, and will do whatever little I can to make sure this is given as much attention as I think it deserves. If everyone who feels the same way, would do the same thing, it may help. Every little bit makes a difference.

Hey, they sure do make em smart in Toronto...he he he...sorry, couldn't resist, lol.

 

[Pinababy69]

Also a comment to a poster who stated that anyone who believed this BS probably got what they deserved...

When you are depressed, or desperate, then chances are that you have temporarily lost all hope. The real world demands too much of you, and nothing seems important any more. But beneath all of that is a part of you that never really stops looking for a glimmer of something which can help guide you back from the darkness.

And that is what these revolting stories offer - false hope to feed your false dreams. So even if whatever is left of your rational brain understands the nonsensical nature of what you are reading, it still doesn't stop you from thinking that perhaps this is the 'something' you so desperately seek.

And to play on that fragility is perhaps the most damning thing that these stories do.

And yes, this is the voice of experience speaking.

And isn't this particularly relevant when speaking of anyone with a potential gambling problem, or addictive personality, to begin with? Someone who may look for a quick fix, or a temporary high/rush? The absolute best word used yet in this thread is predatory...it is highly appropriate.

 

[Scooter7]

Hey, they sure do make em smart in Toronto...he he he...sorry, couldn't resist, lol.

Thanks for the compliment. I'm just smart enough stay on the sidelines as a lurker unless it's really important.

This time it is.

 

[Pinababy69]

Thanks for the compliment. I'm just smart enough stay on the sidelines as a lurker unless it's really important.

This time it is.

Judging by the amount of new posters in the last week or so, you have some company there. And I totally agree.

 

[PNWGirl38]

Email From Jackpot Factory

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Mailed-By: jackpotfactory.com
To: (email addy removed by poster )
Date: Jun 4, 2006 1:55 AM
Subject: The Jackpot Factory Group - Accounts Closed
Dear (name removed by poster ),

Thank you for contacting The Jackpot Factory Group Customer Support.

On behalf of all of us here at The Jackpot Factory, we apologize for this advertising. Please rest assured we're taking this issue very seriously and it's being attended by our highest levels of management. This kind of advertising has never been part of our marketing strategy and I can assure you that such incidents will not recur.

However, although I truly understand your anger regarding this issue, I was sorry to see you asked us to close your account.

Regardless if you decide to reopen your account or not, we understand why you might have been offended by this issue, and we ask you to accept our sincere apologies.

Further to your request, we have closed your casino accounts, (acct #'s taken out by poster )

Again, please accept our deep apologies for these articles, which have now being removed.

Should you have any additional questions or comments, please don't hesitate to contact our Customer Service Desk on the toll-free numbers listed below. We are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for your convenience.

Best Regards,

Tom

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[elscrabinda]

All 300+ listed on the www.online--keno.com site (which I think we decided was owned by them) are still there

 

[Pinababy69]

Making a list, checking it twice, gonna find out who's naughty or nice......you get the idea.

 

[Sodax77]

Like i posted that Google link, they have over 4000 pages, and sometimes i feel that i need to

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SICK!!!! ...and like we know, there are hundreds similar/stolen stories/articles/poems/etc with those "All Slots save my life"

 

[Renegade]

They are not going to remove those...No matter what happens, or what we say.
They are placed for search engines and they will keep them up...Oh they will hide them again within their pages, but rest assured, they will not get rid of them.
They are not looking at today or tomarrow, or next week or even next year. They are looking at least 5-10 years from now, when this will blow over and be forgotten. That's when they will be paid for this crap today.
It's all about the almighty dollar. And it will never change.
They can care less what we think, or what eCOGRA may or may not do...It doesn't matter, that is short term.
Their main goal is long term investment, and sadly, that is exactly what those pages are.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Bulls***

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Mailed-By: jackpotfactory.com
To: (email addy removed by poster )
Date: Jun 4, 2006 1:55 AM
Subject: The Jackpot Factory Group - Accounts Closed
Dear (name removed by poster ),

Thank you for contacting The Jackpot Factory Group Customer Support.

On behalf of all of us here at The Jackpot Factory, we apologize for this advertising. Please rest assured we're taking this issue very seriously and it's being attended by our highest levels of management. This kind of advertising has never been part of our marketing strategy and I can assure you that such incidents will not recur.

However, although I truly understand your anger regarding this issue, I was sorry to see you asked us to close your account.

Regardless if you decide to reopen your account or not, we understand why you might have been offended by this issue, and we ask you to accept our sincere apologies.

Further to your request, we have closed your casino accounts, (acct #'s taken out by poster )

Again, please accept our deep apologies for these articles, which have now being removed.

Should you have any additional questions or comments, please don't hesitate to contact our Customer Service Desk on the toll-free numbers listed below. We are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for your convenience.

Best Regards,

Tom

The Jackpot Factory Group

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So what was that way back in March 2005 then!!!!
Clearly, it has been "part of marketing strategy" to spam search engines in order to promote the casino to NON GAMBLERS, who are searching for items TOTALLY UNRELATED to playing with an online casino.
Respectable optimisation ensures that your site ranks high for people looking for content that you actually offer, NOT when they are looking for something else.
Thankfully, I had a "Google", and they have not resorted to "tunneling beneath the snake's belly". Cancer and Suicide is low enough though.

I note that those copy home pages are now producing the "page not found" errors - perhaps they heard about the "site scraper" offered to Bryan and Spearmaster, and decided to give in to the pressure.

What is required is an apology to ALL PLAYERS and AFFILIATES, this includes the 98% who do not even know about this issue, said apology to be from the top. The staff responsible for authorising this, or whose negligence allowed it, should be removed WITHOUT the "Golden Parachute" beloved of underperforming directors.

They must realise that they will not make money this way, not even if they wait a year or so and try it again. It's out now, and players will be watching ALL casinos for this sort of thing. Their biggest struggle will be not mishandling this further, and going broke.

 

[spearmaster]

I note that those copy home pages are now producing the "page not found" errors - perhaps they heard about the "site scraper" offered to Bryan and Spearmaster, and decided to give in to the pressure.

For the record, the evidence was so overwhelming that I saw no need to download the sites. Either they fix it once and for all, or they will be the ones to suffer the consequences.

 

[Jackpot Factory]

Hello again,

All the articles in question have now been removed from our sites completely and are not accessible in any way. While this has taken longer than we had initally hoped, we have been working constantly to resolve the issue. Once again I apologize to anyone who was hurt or offended by these articles in any way.

As I said before, these articles were made live only due to serious negligence on part of an employee who overstepped their boundaries and breached our trust. This has shown us very clearly that some of our internal processes need improvement and that tighter controls are necessary. We are already in the process of implementing these controls in order to ensure that a mistake such as this does not happen again.

I would like to reiterate that these articles do not reflect, in any way, the personal or professional views of Jackpot Factory's management or staff. We are committed to the principles of responsible gaming and ethical business practices and will ensure that our organization emerges from this incident with an even stronger desire to uphold these principles.

Finally, while eCOGRA has been in constant contact with us throughout this incident, we appreciate that they have endeavoured to assist us in resolving the problem rather than taking punitive measures which would not have been productive under the circumstances.

Regards,

JF General Manager

 

[TheBloke]

Hello again,

All the articles in question have now been removed from our sites completely and are not accessible in any way. While this has taken longer than we had initally hoped, we have been working constantly to resolve the issue. Once again I apologize to anyone who was hurt or offended by these articles in any way.

As I said before, these articles were made live only due to serious negligence on part of an employee who overstepped their boundaries and breached our trust. This has shown us very clearly that some of our internal processes need improvement and that tighter controls are necessary. We are already in the process of implementing these controls in order to ensure that a mistake such as this does not happen again.

I would like to reiterate that these articles do not reflect, in any way, the personal or professional views of Jackpot Factory's management or staff. We are committed to the principles of responsible gaming and ethical business practices and will ensure that our organization emerges from this incident with an even stronger desire to uphold these principles.

Finally, while eCOGRA has been in constant contact with us throughout this incident, we appreciate that they have endeavoured to assist us in resolving the problem rather than taking punitive measures which would not have been productive under the circumstances.

Regards,

JF General Manager

Earlier in this thread there is evidence that Google manipulation has been occurring at Jackpot Factory since March 2005.

You can find my posts on that here:
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The gist of these posts is that a search on archive.org indicates that Jackpot Factory has, since March 2005, been hosting a number (50-100) of pages containing fanciful gambling 'stories', so written as to appear in Google rankings and boost the exposure of your casinos.

Although the content itself was not harmful or irresponsible, nonetheless this kind of fake content, designed purely to feature on Google, is regarded by most as spam marketing.

Could you therefore explain whether these pages dating from March 2005 were also the result of an employee who breached your trust, or whether in fact you regard Google manipulation as a permissable business practice so long as the content is not offensive?

 

[vinylweatherman]

Quite

Earlier in this thread there is evidence that Google manipulation has been occurring at Jackpot Factory since March 2005.

You can find my posts on that here:
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The gist of these posts is that a search on webarchive.org indicates that Jackpot Factory has, since March 2005, been hosting a number (50-100) of pages containing fanciful gambling 'stories', so written as to appear in Google rankings and boost the exposure of your casinos.

Although the content itself was not harmful or irresponsible, nonetheless this kind of fake content, designed purely to feature on Google, is regarded by most as spam marketing.

Could you therefore explain whether these pages dating from March 2005 were also the result of an employee who breached your trust, or whether in fact you regard Google manipulation as a permissable business practice so long as the content is not offensive?

Yes, we need to know WHAT is being apologised for!
Clearly they were "LIVE", in March last year, however, they were fanciful tales, and did not offend most social values. Is the apology only for the recent offensive content, or for the fact that such pages were there in the first place.

I recall seeing the "Keno improves your love life", last summer, and this was because I was curious about the need for that large piece of "black" at the bottom of the web page - I thought it was Terms and Conditions and my own PC was showing the correct contrast!! I knew nothing about how to cheat at Google, so just thought it a bit odd, and then forgot all about it; till now!!

I read also a few of the others at a later date, and they seemed to be genuine stories from players who had had a nice experience at the machines and tables; I was OK with that, having just "Kicked your a***s" at All Jackpots for some 25,000. Naturally, long term house edge has gradually eaten away at that, and it never happened again to such an extent.

From my point of view, Jackpot Factory already has too many players, I am fed up of being kicked off the casino server because it times out before getting round to sending back the game result! Many others do the same, and maybe it is Kawanake in general not coping with all the servers in one place, and on one, albeit big, internet highway.

 

[HCM]

Not Impressed

Well Ive been away for the weekend so just seeing how this has all progressed. Okay maybe the offensive articles have been taken down, but I'm still not impressed at all. Very concerned that it seems that Ecogra you will be taking any real action against JF for this....and call me synical but I simply to not buy JF response with regareds to this being a mistake that they have now rectified!! Someone senior must have knew this was happening and did nothing about it.

Also notice that nothing has changed on the keno site Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) although I dont know who is responsible for this but seems like the same people to me. Also still doing searches around allslots on google comes up with various stories that seem to be created by the same person in the same vain of drawing in the vulnerable search: allslots money on google came up with this...

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still not good enough at all....this is an even bigger fudge than I would expect from the UK Labour Party and Tony Blair lol.....maybe the management of JF should get a job in politics!!!!

 

[HCM]

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Seems like all the content hasnt gone yet...found this on firstwebcasino on first look.

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"Read about Celia and her scratch cards

I had never really thought much about any type of gambling so when we were coming home from work one night and Celia said she had to stop off and buy her scratch cards for the weekend. What? I said. Oh yes, she said to me. I like to buy scratch cards because they are really cheap and invariably I win something. Buying and getting bucks from scratch cards is awesome, she said. I was surprised. I had no idea Celia bought scratch cards.



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So I gave the other 2 scratch cards to Celia who had not yet bought hers. She told me she had to wait for the weekend before she used her scratch cards but on Monday morning she delightedly, excitedly told me that she had made big bucks on my other two scratch cards too. It almost seemed like it was too easy to make such bucks on these scratch cards"

 

[HCM]

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"Read about Celia and her scratch cards

I had never really thought much about any type of gambling so when we were coming home from work one night and Celia said she had to stop off and buy her scratch cards for the weekend. What? I said. Oh yes, she said to me. I like to buy scratch cards because they are really cheap and invariably I win something. Buying and getting bucks from scratch cards is awesome, she said. I was surprised. I had no idea Celia bought scratch cards

Check out my scratch cards

Well Celia was right about something; the scratch cards were very cheap and I figured I may as well buy some scratch cards too. And do you know what? The first of the scratch cards I scratched off came up trumps! I had won! I did not even need to bother with the other 2 scratch cards I had bought as I had aleady won big bucks on the first of the scratch cards!

Use all your scratch cards

So I gave the other 2 scratch cards to Celia who had not yet bought hers. She told me she had to wait for the weekend before she used her scratch cards but on Monday morning she delightedly, excitedly told me that she had made big bucks on my other two scratch cards too. It almost seemed like it was too easy to make such bucks on these scratch cards"

Now will ecogar accept that this is not a one of little mistake and strip these bandits of their seal????

Hope someone passes these over to ecogra after JF "claim" that all unethical advertising has been removed...this is dirt down to the core!!

 

[mucullus]

Good findings, HCM! I think you posted the same story twice. Just for the record, as the second tale is one of the more staggering pieces:

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How easy it is to win $$$s on video poker

There are some things in life that can be really stressful and horrible, like illnesses, death, financial worries. But that is why my husband always says, you have to really enjoy every moment of life that you can. So when he started playing video poker (just for fun, he said), I encouraged him. I did not expect that he would actually get anywhere with video poker, but then he surprised me. He kept on winning video poker. How do you do it? I asked. Well, with video poker it is not like regular gambling. Because, he explained, if you are careful with your video poker bets, you can actually win a lot of money and there is little at stake to lose because of the careful betting strategy you are employing when playing video poker. But is that still fun? I asked. Oh, absolutely he said, especially when all the $$$s come to you from your video poker wins.

Place careful video poker bets

Well, if video poker really was as much fun as my husband said it was, then I could gamble on video poker too. I did not like taking risks, but I followed his instructions of keeping the initial video poker bets low and slowly but surely I won! If I ever lost it was very minimal, but most of the time I kept on winning and when I did it was huge bucks! Now we could go out and enjoy our huge video poker wins!

Unfortunately it seems eCOGRA will not take any actions against JF. This is sending a very wrong signal to the industry because it means casino operators can bend their marketing ethics without fearing any consequences.

Finally, while eCOGRA has been in constant contact with us throughout this incident, we appreciate that they have endeavoured to assist us in resolving the problem rather than taking punitive measures which would not have been productive under the circumstances.

 

[HCM]

Thanks Mucullus yep posted say one twice...we could probably go on finding new ones all day like last week so just going to put one more up.

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"It s not stupid that I play casino games

I just could not make the mortgage repayments. I had been behind for months but this last month the banks came to repossess the house. It was a terrible feeling and I did no think I could feel any lower or ever feel any worse about anything in my entire life. Shocked and humiliated watching the movers taking my house away, I went out to play casino games. I suppose you are wondering why I went out to play casino games. Let me ask you this: have you ever had your home repossessed? Have you ever had your life taken away from you? Well, if you haven't, you cannot imagine what it is like and how much you desperately need to chill and how much more stable and solid you will feel when you play casino games. There is just such a sense of equality with those who play casino games and right now, feeling equal to someone anyone was a feeling I really wanted to achieve. I needed to feel like someone else was in the same boat as me.

Going to play casino games makes sense

So now you might see and start to understand how going out to play casino games when the guys were in my house, repossessing it, was a good move and did make sense. When you hit rock bottom, you need some help being pulled out when you play casino games you feel like a human being and that is crucial for this kind of moment"

I guess you probably need to commit treason to be considered a liability for ecogra?????

 

[rowmare]

How likely is it that one mischevious employee can publish anything to their website without permission from higher-ups?

Not very.

Even if it were possible that such a breach did occur, it isn't likely that it would have remained online another day once management was made aware of it.

IMO they pushed the envelope willingly, got caught, and are now backtracking only because of subsequent pressure.

This scenario happens all too frequently in this business.

 

[Simmo!]

Post for historical purposes:

eCOGRA Statement:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/statement-from-ecogra-regarding-jackpot-factory.12757/

 

[Chatmaster]

Janet, I believe you can be spot-on.

But for the sake of the argument I want to mention other options.

Each department within a online casino is responsible for their own functions. The top management hardly ever have any knowledge of marketing, online marketing or technical stuff. SEO incorporate all of these as you most probably know and that is why they quite often outsource this function. I will not be surprised that the reason this took a while to resolve is bacause top management had no idea this was happening.

mischevious employee? No way, just some idiot that thought they did something very clever to get some nice converting traffic from the search engines. To the senior management this must have been a huge shock!

One thing I have seen in my life, many times is that a company outsource their SEO and only pay for results. This kind of tactic always attract the scum or the idiots of the SEO world. So what they do is target the easiest keywords to rank for with the best possible conversion rates. Then they use any tactic possible to rank for those keywords, including things that can damage the company they do business with. The things is they want to hit a couple of big buck keywords get paid and 8 weeks later when the trouble hits, they already got paid and dissapeared. Something that casino operators reading this can always remember is that no propper SEO company in the entire world will go for a results based payement contract.

 

[WagerWitch]

I have been following this fairly closely here and at other portals/forums.

I do know that Search Engine removal is difficult and cached pages are difficult to remove.

I also think that if Casinos want better placement, instead of malarky like this - they should just PAY (Like they want their customers to do) to get top spot.

About targeting those that are prone to addiction, and those who are in NO position to gamble is despicable.

To think that the managers gave blanket approval is disgusting.

To think that ECogra didn't notice...

To think that JPFactory just made online gambling look like Heroin Dealing...

Sigh...

Anyhow - instead of beating a dead horse - I want proof that JPF is making the move to clean it up and a public apology in place of where those links visit.

PUBLIC - ON THEIR MAIN WEBSITE - APOLOGY. Yeah, it may cost them some nickles - but from the problem gamblers they just siphoned money from who couldn't afford it - trying to chase that dream win... They could handle it.

And Maybe a HUGE donation to Gamblers Anon.

Anything less than that - then they can stay in the damn rogues - and rotten tomato sections forever, as far as I'm concerned.

Meki
(Wager Witch)

 

[Chatmaster]

Hi Meki, this must have upset you allot to make your first post in 3 years!

I agree with you on this issue. But one thing that you should keep in mind is that this has cost JPF allot of rev. Allot of the most prominent webmasters has pulled their banners and will not easily promote them again. Not to mention the damage they have to undo with regards to players browsing casino forums all over the web. This mistake has and will cost them for some time to come.

 

[Pinababy69]

PUBLIC - ON THEIR MAIN WEBSITE - APOLOGY. Yeah, it may cost them some nickles - but from the problem gamblers they just siphoned money from who couldn't afford it - trying to chase that dream win... They could handle it.

And Maybe a HUGE donation to Gamblers Anon.

Anything less than that - then they can stay in the damn rogues - and rotten tomato sections forever, as far as I'm concerned.

Meki
(Wager Witch)

Meki, I absolutely love the idea of a public apology on their main page. That way, even those who were not aware of the situation, can be in possession of the facts, and make a decision based on that. I want them to ADMIT what they did, and not make silly public statements that no one is buying.

Rotten tomato section? I like that, and I agree wholeheartedly!!

 

[Pinababy69]

This mistake has and will cost them for some time to come.

Not nearly enough, not even close.

In regards to your comments regarding webmasters Chatmaster, I will comment on that in the other thread. Yeah, I'm gonna bump it up again, because it's important.

I've been struggling to come up with an analogy to express my disgust at all of this, and it's been difficult. But let's try this one...

You're standing waiting for the bus and on the streetcorner is a young man who is obviously mentally challenged in some way. Another guy goes up to him and takes a rock out of his pocket, just a plain old run of the mill rock. But he offers it to this young man for the measly sum of $5, promising him that it holds special powers, maybe even telling him that it will make him more like everyone else, and will solve any and all problems he may have. Now, this young man, being particularly vulnerable and not able to spot a con man when he sees one, reaches in his pocket and pulls out a $5 bill and hands it to the stranger, who in return hands him this "magical stone". Keep in mind that this $5 was meant for another purpose, maybe given to him for his lunch that day.

So, assuming that you've overheard this whole exchange, what would you do? Would you keep on walking, or get on the bus when it came and say nothing? Just say to yourself....geesh, some people are really low, but hey, it doesn't really concern me? Or...would you go over to these two and cause such a stink that this con man is left with no alternative other than to give this kid his money back, and tell him that he lied to him?

I know what I would do. Anyone else wanna comment?

 

[Pinababy69]

Hello again,

All the articles in question have now been removed from our sites completely and are not accessible in any way. While this has taken longer than we had initally hoped, we have been working constantly to resolve the issue. Once again I apologize to anyone who was hurt or offended by these articles in any way.

As I said before, these articles were made live only due to serious negligence on part of an employee who overstepped their boundaries and breached our trust. This has shown us very clearly that some of our internal processes need improvement and that tighter controls are necessary. We are already in the process of implementing these controls in order to ensure that a mistake such as this does not happen again.

I would like to reiterate that these articles do not reflect, in any way, the personal or professional views of Jackpot Factory's management or staff. We are committed to the principles of responsible gaming and ethical business practices and will ensure that our organization emerges from this incident with an even stronger desire to uphold these principles.

Finally, while eCOGRA has been in constant contact with us throughout this incident, we appreciate that they have endeavoured to assist us in resolving the problem rather than taking punitive measures which would not have been productive under the circumstances.

Regards,

JF General Manager

I was gonna let this statement go, but the highlighted part really irks me. I wonder when he says "these articles were made live", what exactly he means by that? Does he mean made visible? Or does he mean actually uploaded to the websites? And why in the hell were they written in the first place? And who wrote them? Don't even try and sell me on the fact that one person was responsible for all of this and that management wasn't aware and had no part in it. I'm not buying it for one second, and I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who will. Well, maybe those who would rather close their eyes and pretend it doesn't exist, and you know who I mean.

Total load of crap, all of it. Insult to mine and many other's intelligence. You're actually only digging the hole deeper as far as I'm concerned. Do me a favour, until you're ready to come out and publicly admit what a huge screw up this has been, and accept responsibility, don't bother with any more of your statements. It only makes me angrier.

 

[HCM]

I was gonna let this statement go, but the highlighted part really irks me. I wonder when he says "these articles were made live", what exactly he means by that? Does he mean made visible? Or does he mean actually uploaded to the websites? And why in the hell were they written in the first place? And who wrote them? Don't even try and sell me on the fact that one person was responsible for all of this and that management wasn't aware and had no part in it. I'm not buying it for one second, and I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who will. Well, maybe those who would rather close their eyes and pretend it doesn't exist, and you know who I mean.

Total load of crap, all of it. Insult to mine and many other's intelligence. You're actually only digging the hole deeper as far as I'm concerned. Do me a favour, until you're ready to come out and publicly admit what a huge screw up this has been, and accept responsibility, don't bother with any more of your statements. It only makes me angrier.

Well said Pinababy....the clear fact is that these articles were so vast and spread so far over ALL of their sites that i just dont buy this...blame one person cop out....There was thought into this method of advertising (albeit very stupid thought) someone was paid, someone had to proof read and sign it of. if the management are trying to say that they had no knowledge of their own marketing campaign then they are either lying their teeth of or not competent enough to be in such a position...and of course it is clear that these go beyond just their main sites....

Don't mean to bring it up again but who is still responsible for the keno site??? where the content is still present even though it was highlighted days ago...and clearly written AND ENDORSED by the same people???

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