Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories

[Slotster!]

1. Immediately remove ALL links to any of this garbage.

3. Immediate removal of their ECogra Seal for at least a six month period, during which they would be on probation and watched very closely. After the six months were up, they could then re-apply for reinstatement of the Seal.

4. A hefty, and I mean hefty, donation to any one of many possible charities. Possibly related to gambling addiction, or to any of the groups of disadvantaged people that they have seriously offended. A suicide prevention centre, or a cancer fund comes to mind, off the top of my head.

I'm frankly astonished every single last trace wasn't removed within minutes of being made aware of this thread. Fingers crossed they are just spectacularly disorganised, and this isn't just sat at the bottom of someone's in tray - to be dealt with when they get round to it...

 

[GrandMaster]

Tricky. You either subscribe to one of two arguments: that they were stitched up or they knowingly did it. If they were "stitched up", then they are demonstrating a severe lack of quality control. So the question becomes is it an honesty issue or a procedural issue. Bit like the EH case actually.

Of course they will never ever admit to planning this strategy, as EH willl never ever admit to cheating deliberately. So I guess each player has to draw their own conclusion as to which it is. The unfortunate thing is that the majority of casual players are probably totally oblivious to it all whereas we have the benefit of sharing information and opinions to assist us.

This clearly did not happen by accident, and unlike the EH case, it was staring in their faces if they cared to look at their own webpages, there was no need to analyze statistics. The audacity of the Jacpot Factory representative claiming that the articles had been removed is especially galling.

 

[jetset]

Jetset, maybe you can enlighten me and some others here.... I am surprised that no one else has asked this yet but for eCOGRAs sake maybe the bigger picture questions should be:


1. What in the hell is eCOGRA actually approving their seal at these casinos for? ie; Integrity; Safe site; Consistent payout; Responsible operator conduct.


2. Does eCOGRA not actually do web searches of the casino before they are getting ready to approve for seal just to check and make sure that the casino site or web searches are not advertising this BS?


3. Does eCOGRA not ever police or follow up on searches to periodically check in on the sites that they have seal approved?


4. Does eCOGRA give seal approval and then never check on casino unless some issue is raised?


5. What do they do the rest of the day? LOL


Thanks Jet

Good questions, which I will try to answer from my own knowledge, although eCOGRA is obviously a more appropriate entity to which these could be addressed:

Q1: Yes, all of these are goals of the seal process: Quote: Integrity; Safe site; Consistent payout; Responsible operator conduct. Unquote.

Q2: As far as I know the suitability for the award of a seal is based on probity and other business and financial checks together with on-site inspection of all operational systems by the independent auditors eCOGRA hires for this purpose. The report from the auditors is then studied by the three independent directors responsible for seals (Hirst, Galston and Catania) who make the final decision to award or send the report back for further specific attention. I would imagine web searches would be part of such a process, but I'm not privy to the detailed content of the checks carried out and I simply don't know. This is the sort of question better posed to eCOGRA direct imo.

Q3: Yes. There's a regular review and report to the directors process, again carried out by the auditors. Ongoing monitoring of transactions through the (contentious) TGTR process is also in effect. And complaints addressed to the CEO and FGA are dealt with as part of the administration set-up.

Q4: See answer to Q3.

Q5: eCOGRA's permanent staff consists of the CEO and the FGA. That's it. They have a pretty busy day dealing with the administrative side of eCOGRA, liaison with external bodies, advising seal holders, dealing with complaints to the FGA, doing the bidding of the directors (especially the independent directors who are mainly responsible for operational issues but are not actually full-time at eCOGRA) and other stuff I don't even know about. Along with seeking an independent perspective, this is why they outsource most of their checking, inspection and monitoring.

That's my best shot at answering your questions, RobWin - as I say eCOGRA may be the better place to direct anything further you need to know.

I will say this, however. In my personal experience Andrew Beveridge is one of the most professional and conscientious managers I have come across in this industry, and he is a hard worker with good player sensitivity. He is always prepared to tackle issues by raised by anyone with a problem and bring these before the directors to whom he reports.

 

[jetset]

Kudos, Bryan

Kudos, Bryan - the fact that Jackpot Factory has not yet managed to take down every last one of these awful "inspirational stories" despite the fact that management by its own admission has known about it for at least three (?) days vindicates your rogue-ing the entire group.

 

[soflat]

Jackpot Factory must have some really lame casinos. They couldn't write real stories about how good it and its games are, so they wrote some gobbledygook crap about it.

The manager actually hired someone with instructions to write garbage. How sad is that? The manager thinks so little of the casinos he oversees. I think maybe the wrong people got fired.

 

[soflat]

This is VERY low. And this isn't even on one of their casino domains - it's a separate one! At first I thought it might be a lowlife affiliate, because of where the registrant's address is - but all the pages are named in the same format as they are on JF's 4 web sites. Here's the WHOIS record for ONLINE--KENO.COM:

I don't know if JF or their SEO person set it up, but either way it is damning for the casino to have this crap like the online--keno.com site in their marketing:

Keno Good for Kids
Keno -- whether Video keno, online keno, land based keno, or any other keno -- seems to be beneficial to the raising of small children, especially preschool kids. This may come as a surprise to parents who pride themselves on keeping their children casino game – and keno – free. ``Keno is definitely beneficial to children ages 4-6,'' said lead researcher John Green of the Center for Keno Study and Research.

 

[elscrabinda]

Wow. That online- keno site is unbelievable. Its FULL of these inspirational stories. I'm not sure how many have been posted here but its well worth reading through them. One of the more lighthearted ones claims the existence of keno disproves the theory of evolution.

I won't cut and paste them all here but have a look for yourself.

www.online--keno.com

 

[HCM]

Online Keno

Now I realise that this could go on forever but had to pick this one as a personal favourite!!!

Read why I checked out keno
John, my new boyfriend, wanted to take me on his boat. His boat was his pride and joy. The only problem was, much as I liked the idea of sailing in theory, in practice I often got motion sickness and I did not think that would make for a great date. But he was so excited and clearly had so much pride; what could I do but agree? I decided I was going to have to bring my computer and find something on the Internet which would take my mind off it. as I was searching on line for a fun game, I came across keno. I had not played keno for ages and I had certainly never played keno on a computer. I decided to check in to this keno game straight away.

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Click to play keno and click to feel good!
Well, this game of keno was awesome. I was now feeling a lot better about the prospective boat trip with John. When we got on, he started the boat and I logged on to that great casino with the awesome keno. While he was busy, I was playing keno (the beginning of trips were usually the worst). And it worked! Playing keno at this cool casino was so much fun, I felt fine. In fact, I actually forgot I was on a boat and yelled out real loud when I won! John came running having thought I had hurt myself and when he found I was fine, we ended up in a wonderful embrace that led to, well I am sure you can work out what happened next! If something is bothering you and you need to find a way to get it out of your mind, play keno here.

Dont want to sound pedantic but....

A. Wouldnt staring at a screen actually make you more seasick....like reading a book when in a car, and...

B. Must have been quite a nice boat in order to get internet access

Beyond the realms of creativity me thinks!!!

 

[elscrabinda]

One of the most surreal

Santa loves internet keno
Santa always seemed to have something else up his sleeve. He was always doing something fun and interesting and about a week ago when I went to visit him, he told me that he had started playing internet keno. I am telling you; I ve not had this much fun since I married Mrs. Santa. You should try it; internet keno is great. Well, Santa really was excited. And he was right; I for one had not seen him this excited since his wedding to Mrs. Santa either. Anyway, today I had quite a hard day. I had fought with my wife in the morning before I left to work, got stuck in traffic on the way to work and had a lousy day at the office. I just wished I was able to play internet keno at work; internet keno really kept me sane. Rather than head straight for home, I decided to go visit Santa in his grotto. Straight away I noticed the lights on and his computer screen show that he was playing internet keno. Oh good, I thought to myself; he was bound to be in an extra happy mood.

I watch as Santa plays internet keno through the night
Well, I had such fun that night with Santa. I actually forgot to go home. But watching Santa play internet keno through the night was really relaxing. When I went home in the morning, I apologized to my wife but she was so sweet. It is okay Mick, she said, I knew you needed some time out and watching Santa play internet keno was probably just right for you. What a great wife I had, I thought.

The last couple of sentences are my favourite

 

[Simmo!]

John, my new boyfriend, wanted to take me on his boat....we ended up in a wonderful embrace that led to, well I am sure you can work out what happened next!

Well at least John got what he wanted out of this whole sorry affair (sic)

 

[Slotster!]

Well at least John got what he wanted out of this whole sorry affair (sic)

Gerrin John, you old devil you!

I hope they had wireless internet access though! It seems without playing All Slots, they'd end up throwing themselves over the edge...

 

[Krypto]

Unfreakingbelievable!

I just finished reading this entire thread and I can honestly say I am speechless. Wait...the hell I am!

IMO this is the worst behavior in any regards that I've witnessed by ANY group of online casinos in the four years I've been gambling online. These sick a$$es have covered the entire spectrum of human frailty...physical - mental - emotional and otherwise, and exploited it in their drive for personal gain. It's almost so unreal that they'd stoop so low that it comes across as bizarre.

Yeah...it is time to do some major letter writing, and as soon as I finish typing this post... banners are coming down off my forum and the current promotion I have running with them will be immediately closed.

I'm pi$$ed. Sorry to vent...but I have family and friends that are, or have been directly affected by each and every one of the scenarios these a$$holes wrote about in their bogus testimonials...as I am sure we all have.

Tell you what...they permeated themselves all over the forums by means of sponsorship when they saw the amount of profitability it afforded them. They need to see the flip side to that and realize that the very forums that made them...can break them also. ;-)

 

[Pinababy69]

Krypto, thank you so much!! You just echoed so much of what I've been feeling, and maybe not doing such a great job of expressing. If I could count on anyone to do the right thing, I knew it would be you and Kat!! If others don't follow suit, we can't force em. But you know what? You'll sleep better at night.

 

[elscrabinda]

I can't remember who suggested it but it would send a very powerful message if everyone was to PM their rep here and ask for their accounts to be closed. Mine are already unfortunately so I can't make a point by having them closed but its far more effective in getting across your disgust than just never playing there again.

 

[quber]

There are still hundreds of pages out there

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search google with (depression site:www.allslots.com) or change the word depression to something else.

I found this by searching addiction

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this is absolutely disgraceful

 

[TheBloke]

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"You will be addicted in no time! Some say addiction is bad, but let me ask you. Do they make as much money as you do? I did not think so! Play at our online casino today and become a millionaire!"

Good grief.

 

[Slotster!]

Good grief.

Indeed. I didn't think it could get any worse, but

They've had an absolute NIGHTMARE.

 

[Pinababy69]

This just gets worse. How many of these things are there? Are they multiplying like rabbits or what?

If anyone finds more, can you post them here? I'll collect them all later and put them in another email. Right now I am going to get away from this computer.

 

[HCM]

You must be having a laugh

Indeed. I didn't think it could get any worse, but

They've had an absolute NIGHTMARE.

Well I think we've pretty much found the bottom of the barrel there. And there are Ecogra having a responsible gambling day addressing gambling addiction....guess they must be wasting their time as it seems that addiction is a good thing. As an ex and someone who knows an awful lot of people who have been engulfed by gambling addiction I am truly truly sorry for what I have just read. I could say more but dont think such words would be allowed on this site.

 

[Mousey]

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"You will be addicted in no time! Some say addiction is bad, but let me ask you. Do they make as much money as you do? I did not think so! Play at our online casino today and become a millionaire!"

Good grief.

Gaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!! Are these people sadistic or what? The more of these idiocies I read, the more I want to tear my hair out in anger and frustration.

 

[GrandMaster]

This just gets worse. How many of these things are there? Are they multiplying like rabbits or what?

If anyone finds more, can you post them here? I'll collect them all later and put them in another email. Right now I am going to get away from this computer.

Just type something like dream site:allslots.com into Google and you will have plenty of examples. In case they are pulled before you come back, you can find many of them on archive.org.

At the moment about the only good thing I can say about the Jackpot Factory casinos is that they don't seem to have any stories about viagra, penis enlargement, sex starved lesbians or hot stock tips, but they seem to have covered all the other common spam topics.

 

[rma20]

Did the rep say they did not realize this was going on? How could they not? This was not something someone randomly decided to do. Someone had to sit down and think about all the words someone would type into a search engine. So to say oh we had no idea...is pure BS.

 

[TheBloke]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this up until now, but a look on archive.org shows that some of these pages have existed since March 2005.

There are two important differences between now and then:
1. Then, all the text was black-on-black, so it would influence Google but be invisible to someone reading the page, unless he highlighted it to read it
2. The stories used then were much more benign. Some are stupid, but there aren't any celebrating addiction or suggesting gambling is a miracle cure.

Some examples:
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"When hunting for love at a keno game, remember that it is not enough to simply look at a potential sweetheart's keno card. You must understand the significance of the numbers they choose. Sit next to your target and tell him or her that this is your first time playing keno. Ask what strategy they used to select each number on their keno card."

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"I was working hard yesterday to finish a report when I looked over at my buddy who was staring intensely at his computer so I messaged him - "John, what are you working on?" A reply popped up on my screen moments later. "Online roulette" it read. Online roulette - huh. And I thought that he was working hard so I wrote him again "you're playing online roulette when you should be working!" He replied "online roulette is more fun." I wrote back "how is online roulette different to casino roulette?" A minute later came the reply, "I can play online roulette from the office!" And then I got another message from him, "Also, with online roulette I don't have to push people to get my chips on the numbers I want. And online roulette is faster because I use my mouse to put bets on."

Plenty more here:
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So it would appear that this is a long-standing trick, but it suddenly got much, much worse recently - they stopped hiding the text, and they rolled out hundreds (thousands?) of new pages on much more malignant topics.

I can actually believe it was a disgruntled employee (or ex-employee) who flipped the switch recently to turn the entire catalogue on at once. But clearly it must have taken a very long time to write it all in the first place, so one must assume there was management approval at some point, even if there wasn't approval for the actual publishing of it. But this is all just conjecture.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Nice try Crackpot Factory - WE ARE NOT IDIOTS!!!!

Unfrigginreal!! They should be rogued, blacklisted, seal removed...whatever, just for that one alone. Actually using the term suicidal? This literally makes me sick to my stomach.

The link now simply loads the home page, so fine, er well... NO!!!!!!!!!!!

Use the IE View/source and scroll all the way down,

VERY VERY BUSTED


WE just can see the home page, but the offending text is buried in some rather wierd HTML (beyond me really).

All they have done is fix the pages to spam the search engines PROPERLY.
Because the key phrases are still there, the bots will still bring up the pages, but clicking on the results should just bring up the casino homepage leaving us thinking, "must be a bug in Google".
Initially, I found the pages would give a 404 error, and THEN try to load the home page - it's more convincing now.
Could someone with a degree in HTML have a long look at how they have pulled this off!

As I said earlier, the dirt has been swept under the rug - out of sight, NOT cleaned up!

 

[Alexandre]

The link now simply loads the home page, so fine, er well... NO!!!!!!!!!!!

Use the IE View/source and scroll all the way down,

VERY VERY BUSTED


WE just can see the home page, but the offending text is buried in some rather wierd HTML (beyond me really).

All they have done is fix the pages to spam the search engines PROPERLY.
Because the key phrases are still there, the bots will still bring up the pages, but clicking on the results should just bring up the casino homepage leaving us thinking, "must be a bug in Google".
Initially, I found the pages would give a 404 error, and THEN try to load the home page - it's more convincing now.
Could someone with a degree in HTML have a long look at how they have pulled this off!

As I said earlier, the dirt has been swept under the rug - out of sight, NOT cleaned up!

Can you give us the links to a page with hidden text ?

 

[Slotster!]

Erm... Ok, not nearly as bad and (allegedly) real - but not the best time to be sending this promotional email to your customers I should imagine...

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Might want to have a rethink Fortune Lounge...

 

[SlotsWizard]

Erm... Ok, not nearly as bad and (allegedly) real - but not the best time to be sending this promotional email to your customers I should imagine...

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Might want to have a rethink Fortune Lounge...

TOO FUNNY, Slotster! I was just about to post this here but you beat me to it!

The first story on this web site is NOT going to sit well with people who have been reading this forum. Let me say, I honestly believe it is a TRUE story, unlike the Jackpot Factory stories... but still.... BAD TIMING, Fortune Lounge!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Links

I did try to post an example, but could not as trying to get at an example ditched my partly completed thread reply.

However,

Some of the early links still link to a special 404.php error page, this boots up the promotion page with the "page not found" error messages.

Some of the later ones, particularly the one about Breast Cancer, which has probably offended the majority of existing players of the feminine persuasion, do not produce the 404.php, but simply load an innoffensive home page, although the title in the browser is still that of the "breast cancer" story. When viewed as HTML source though, the text is in what looks like the footer, loaded in something called "dynamic blocks" 1,2,3 etc.

I believe this is ensuring that we can no longer see toe offending articles, but the original intent of spamming Google will still be served. Clearly, they are sorry they allowed these stories to be available to the human eye, but are NOT AT ALL SORRY they engaged in the intended marketing strategy of spamming the search engines. These modified pages are still live now in this altered form.
An earlier poster points out that webarchive has examples dating back to March 2005 - they have been getting away with this for a long time, and have been pushing at the boundaries bit by bit with each passing month, till one day they pushed too far and fell over into the S**t!

It may be worth a casual look to see if any one else has "employed the same marketing consultant", and have not pushed quite so hard at the boundaries.

"Immediate corrective action" means the total and utter removal of all this text, not hiding it in fancy HTML or footers so that it still ranks in Google.
If they are worried about a rash of broken links buggering up their google rankings they should have thought of this earlier! Broken links STILL load up a page not found page error page with all their promotions, untidy, but they still get a hit.

 

[GrandMaster]

Can you give us the links to a page with hidden text ?

Try

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That was the homepage of All Slots on 3 February 2005. There is plenty of black on black at the bottom. Some other pages are red on red. Very sleazy.

Here is part of the source. Put allslots.com before them, and the links still work.


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[SlotsWizard]

Use the IE View/source and scroll all the way down,

VERY VERY BUSTED

WE just can see the home page, but the offending text is buried in some rather wierd HTML (beyond me really).

You are correct. They have simply commented out the links to other similar stories.

Here's how it looks now: (and it's STILL available!!)
alljackpots.com/want-guilt-free-overspending-gamble-at.php

Here's how it used to look:
64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:rr5ifMZtNhYJ:alljackpots.com/want-guilt-free-overspending-gamble-at.php+%2B%22guilt+free+overspending%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

And by looking at the source code, all those links are still there but have been surrounded by HTML comment tags.

I am sort of surprised that all these pages are still available, however, in a way I am not. They've already been rogued and their image is tarnished, so what motivation do they have now for cleaning up their act? The damage has been done.

 

[vtlady]

Jackpot Factory Are Liers and Crooks

Not only is their recent add campaign so far from the truth, I know it to be a fact that they also make their living on poor widows and depressed people. As far as eCogra doing anything about their recent add campaign, you can forget it. eCogra is bought and paid for by the casinos they endorse. Jackpot Factory needs to be taught a very valuable lesson about ethics and morals. They do not abide by the rules of eCogra as most of eCogra approved casinos do not. The watchdog group of G4 is nothing but a joke also. Some Casino Groups have gotten away with this sort of thing far to long. Groups I would like to mention are Casino rewards, Peak Entertainment, Intercasino, Sands of the Caribbean, Trident Entertainment and especially the Kahnawake Group who won't even investigate a complaint about their licensed casinos.

Thanks for reading and these are known facts to me.

 

[vtlady]

Jackpot Factory Is Full Of You Know What

They don't practice responsible gaming i don't feel and they are just trying to get out of a situation that is getting to hot for them. They could care less about the depressed or anybody else. Don't you worry not just one person is responsible for this. Business must be slipping for them to pull a stunt like this. The inconsiderate jerks.

 

[Scooter7]

Can MG pull their licensing agreement?

Wouldn't the best thing for the industry as a whole be for the software provider to pull the plug on the casino?

Isn't the strongest possible message that could be sent, "Hey. You're out of business!"


Of course, that would need to be followed by the other software providers choosing not to trip over each other trying to sign up the casinos that Microgaming kicks to the curb (kerb for you English folks )

This negative event has the potential to turn into a very positive PR exercise for the entire industry if it is handled properly. I was taught many years ago that it is sometimes better to make and fix a mistake than not to make the mistake in the first place. A very loud licensee termination would fit the bill in this case.

 

[jetset]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this up until now, but a look on archive.org shows that some of these pages have existed since March 2005.

There are two important differences between now and then:
1. Then, all the text was black-on-black, so it would influence Google but be invisible to someone reading the page, unless he highlighted it to read it
2. The stories used then were much more benign. Some are stupid, but there aren't any celebrating addiction or suggesting gambling is a miracle cure.

Some examples:
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"When hunting for love at a keno game, remember that it is not enough to simply look at a potential sweetheart's keno card. You must understand the significance of the numbers they choose. Sit next to your target and tell him or her that this is your first time playing keno. Ask what strategy they used to select each number on their keno card."

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"I was working hard yesterday to finish a report when I looked over at my buddy who was staring intensely at his computer so I messaged him - "John, what are you working on?" A reply popped up on my screen moments later. "Online roulette" it read. Online roulette - huh. And I thought that he was working hard so I wrote him again "you're playing online roulette when you should be working!" He replied "online roulette is more fun." I wrote back "how is online roulette different to casino roulette?" A minute later came the reply, "I can play online roulette from the office!" And then I got another message from him, "Also, with online roulette I don't have to push people to get my chips on the numbers I want. And online roulette is faster because I use my mouse to put bets on."

Plenty more here:
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So it would appear that this is a long-standing trick, but it suddenly got much, much worse recently - they stopped hiding the text, and they rolled out hundreds (thousands?) of new pages on much more malignant topics.

I can actually believe it was a disgruntled employee (or ex-employee) who flipped the switch recently to turn the entire catalogue on at once. But clearly it must have taken a very long time to write it all in the first place, so one must assume there was management approval at some point, even if there wasn't approval for the actual publishing of it. But this is all just conjecture.

TheBloke, I think this is important information that should be brought to eCOGRA's attention in considering the extent and depth of this mess, although I am probably not sufficiently technically oriented to fully appreciate it.

Won't you consider sending this to eCOGRA with any further explanatory comments you might feel necessary?

 

[vinylweatherman]

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After a review of the facts, and while many of these articles are outrageous, some are nevertheless true!

They allege that playing All Slots can assist those in debt, well, and astonishingly so, and given that they hold an eCogra seal and would not even THINK of confiscating the winnings from one of their VIP players, now would they!
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Tuesday, oh dear, a bill for $200, oh crap, hey All Slots will help, lets deposit, say, $2000.

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Great, I can play Ladies Nite at 9c for 50,000 spins. Christ - that'll take all day so I can't gamble anywhere else.

Sunday, might as well cash-out and get it flushed, the Bills due on Tuesday.

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Totals for Blackjack $2220 + Comps (4500 = $45! )
+ Lucky days 15%*180 = $27
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Conclusion, article is the truth (in the long term - which is how it was indended to be understood), Jackpot Factory, in this case only, is innocent of misleading advertising, and so, of course, is the player for sticking to the casinos Terms and Conditions while trying to emulate the player whose "testimonial" this was!

This proof would actually get them off if the article went before the UK Advertising Standards Agency, as it could be seen as a true claim!

I fully believe that VIP players should not simply take my word for it, but a full scale scientific trial is required.

It should be possible to constuct an Excel spreadsheet for weeks 2 onward to analyse the compounding effect of the Lucky Days promotion, and the level of enhancement it brings. Bear in mind that this is per player, and not account, and clearly this would be an incredible marketing coup to have this proved scientifically, and all of this Google spamming would have been unnecessary.

I am sure we loyal VIPs owe them this small favour

 

[greedygirl]

At this point, the only thing I can see JF doing that could come into the realm of cleaning things up would be to A) delete these stories COMPLETELY(and immediately!), B) email EVERY player in their database, explaining what has occurred and apologizing for the offensive marketing practice (they should also make public statements, as well), and C) make SIZEABLE donations to GA and Gamcare.

It would also behoove JF to replace the deleted pages with information on RESPONSIBLE gaming and where to seek help, as well as to include this info in whatever emailing and public statement they make.

Beyond these measures, there's not a whole lot they'll be able to do to restore their reputation by those who have already lost faith.

 

[TheBloke]

Won't you consider sending this to eCOGRA with any further explanatory comments you might feel necessary?

jetset - I'm quite happy for my remarks to go to eCOGRA, but perhaps it would be easier if they went down an established line of communication? I'm happy for you to forward them, or pinababy who I know is also communicating with them.

By way of further explanation, I would add this:

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This is an archive of an allslots page on 16th March 2005. You can see that at the bottom there is a large area of black, with a few links standing out - then further down there is a mass of links. If you highlight the black area with your mouse you will see content about playing roulette from work.

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This is the same page, today. The text at the bottom is the same, but now it is not hidden in black, and thus can be read easily by anyone going to the page.

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This page is a search on archive.org for all archived pages on the allslots.com domain. It includes many examples like the above. You can view these pages as they were then, and then try the same url at www.allslots.com to see what it looks like now.

What you will notice from the archive.org search results is that there are no truly awful pages. There are silly ones like 'find love through online keno', and slightly naughty ones like the one above about playing roulette at work. There is nothing suggesting gambling will cure your ills, or that addiction is a good thing, or any of the other travesties that are present today.

Therefore:
They have run this type of google manipulation at least since March 2005. It was done with perhaps 50-100 pages, with very mild (and occasionally even useful) content, and the Google-text was hidden from easy view.

In the recent past they have added hundreds of new pages, and edited all the pages such the Google-text was clearly visible. For the first time the pages now showed unethical content.

 

[Krypto]

I'm not as forgiving...I think they screwed their reputation but good! It's a pity too. I trusted this group of casinos implicitly and promoted them heavily at my forum.

Anybody else feel like they've been made a fool of by being basically duped into believing JPF was on the up and up? I sure as hell do. To prey on the weaknesses of people is definitely NOT COOL.

There's plenty I'd like to say but will refrain from doing so because I'm still feeling a great deal hot headed over this latest JPF fiasco and would probably just end up making an ass of my own self...lol.

Pinababy...you know Kat and I don't screw around when it comes to the reputation of GOTB. You're right...of course we cannot make everyone jump on the band wagon and tell these SOB's to kiss off, but we can do our share and will. Thanks for giving us the heads up on this! ;-)

 

[jenn1381]

I've been following this story quietly since it was posted. I was shocked to read some of the stories you've all found, although, perhaps I shouldn't have been. Seems casino's will use whatever tactics necessary to get our hard earned money. What gets me is that a reputable group such as jackpot factory would feel like they have to fall down to this level. And for it to have been going on for this long unnoticed! I'm ashamed to say I've spent money with this group! When will these places learn that all they have to do is treat their customers fairly, with respect and gratitude, and they will continue gaining revenue. Word of mouth is a powerful tool. They learned that the hard way, as now they've probably lost thousands of customers through this board and others like it. I certainly will not support this kind of shady advertising. Much of it is offensive and belittles real life problems that millions suffer with. You've really gotta wonder what these guys are thinking..

 

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[Pinababy69]

Hi The Bloke..thanks very much for that. You've explained it in terms that even I can understand, and that's something. I would be more than happy to forward this info along with another set of active links. Would it be okay with you if I basically just copied and pasted your explanation into my email? I really try and not get into anything too technical, as I have limited knowledge. But from what I understand, you're saying they have been using this particular marketing technique since at least March 2005, only difference being that, at that time, the text wasn't clearly visible to the naked eye..but it was still there. I'm not sure how everyone else feels, but to me this is very important. Just because we couldn't actually see it, the intent was still there, and proves that this was no recent, random accidental uploading of offensive material. They have been targeting these search terms for an extended period of time, albeit in a very sneaky manner.

Thanks again, and please correct me if I've gotten any of that wrong.

 

[SlotsWizard]

From what I understand, you're saying they have been using this particular marketing technique since at least March 2005, only difference being that, at that time, the text wasn't clearly visible to the naked eye..but it was still there.

I'm not entirely sure this is the case.

If you pull up those pages from the web archive, those stories aren't the only things which display differently from how they do today - the links in the navigation menu on the left are not formatted properly either. I think the web archive does not correctly cache the .CSS files.

It is my opinion that the texts have been visible since day one.

 

[Renegade]

This is absolutly sick.

As a webmaster myself I understand the importance of search engine optimizations, but this is beyond redemption!!

The only goal for these articles was to spam search engines for higher rankings.
And if anyone believes these "stories" could be real are just as insane as the articles themselves.

This is not new...This was a shady practice 5 years ago for higher search engine rankings.

It has been and is still being done by many, many websites.

The fact that it was uncovered suggests a former employee who had known about this and perhaps worked on this had a backdoor password to the server and was able to reveal the sickness of this group.

For whatever reasons....This group now has to pay for this outrage.

There is no way this group could ever redeem itself...
WHY????
Because it was done intentionally for the sole purpose of making money.
To prey upon the weak, the addicted, the very souls of the ones they claim to want to help.
No, there is no redemption for this save one....Close down all your gambling sites...forever!

 

[hypergirl]

JackpotFactory

I go away for a few weeks and come back and everything has gone to hell!!
I am stupefied I tell ya! These letters just do not reflect the experience I
have had with JackPot Factory at all. I mostly play at WildJacks, the only
casino I have ever cashed out at. Got my money fast, no request for all
the paper work, etc. The thing that impressed me most about WildJacks is the
customer service guy who helped me (I was so excited to cash out), he was
so nice and warned me TWO times that I should not expect to win like that
everytime. Most casino's would not have done that. I felt like he was looking
out for me, not encouraging me to play more so these letters from AllSlots
certainly seem strange to me. They really have a fine reputation and don't
need to encourage people to gamble to get rid of depression. I'm thinking that
they may be real letters from people hoping to suck up and get a little bonus
from the casino but they should never have been published. I have written to
WildJacks and expressed my hope that JackPot Factory can fix this
although I'm not sure how??? What can they do now to get off the list??

 

[Pinababy69]

I'm thinking that
they may be real letters from people hoping to suck up and get a little bonus
from the casino but they should never have been published.

No offense, but you're kidding right? No, these are not real letters by real people. This is a marketing ploy, plain and simple. Text rich in keywords intended solely to garner hits in search engines.

I also never had anything but good experiences with Jackpot Factory. Good and friendly customer service, quick payouts, generous comps, they had it all. But just because a casino pays its customers on time and throws bonuses in their accounts, does NOT excuse this behaviour. There's a bigger picture here...it's how people perceive the online gaming industry as a whole. And this whole episode screams SLEAZY!!

 

[jetset]

I would just add to Pinababy's post that the wrongdoing itself is not in contention - the casino had admitted this in a statement several pages back, so the "genuine letters" thing is not relevant here.

TheBloke - thanks for that. If you prefer then either Pinababy or I will ensure your view is represented to eCOGRA as evidence of malicious intent on the part of JF. Am I right in making this conclusion?

Pina do you want to send the content of TheBloke's post through or should I? I'm trying to avoid duplication.

 

[Pinababy69]

Pina do you want to send the content of TheBloke's post through or should I? I'm trying to avoid duplication.

Jetset, it would probably be better coming from you, although it sounds like neither one of us is tech savvy, lol. I just think that if you sent it, it may receive quicker attention, and I do believe it is extremely important. ECogra needs to have ALL the facts, and this is most certainly relevant. Just try and ensure they understand that whether the actual text itself was "visible" or not, is irrelevant. The targeting of the search engines was there in 2005, if I'm reading it right.

Thanks Jetset.

 

[jetset]

Done.

 

[TheBloke]

Hi guys. I was asleep when you posted, and I gather my comments have been sent off already.

That's fine with me - but just for the record, my responses to your questions:

But from what I understand, you're saying they have been using this particular marketing technique since at least March 2005, only difference being that, at that time, the text wasn't clearly visible to the naked eye..but it was still there. I'm not sure how everyone else feels, but to me this is very important. Just because we couldn't actually see it, the intent was still there, and proves that this was no recent, random accidental uploading of offensive material. They have been targeting these search terms for an extended period of time, albeit in a very sneaky manner.

That is correct. They have been deliberately manipulating Google search terms since at least March 2005. They did this originally with hidden, benign text, and no-one ever noticed. Now they are doing it to a larger extent, with clear and malignant text.

TheBloke - thanks for that. If you prefer then either Pinababy or I will ensure your view is represented to eCOGRA as evidence of malicious intent on the part of JF. Am I right in making this conclusion?

Of course this depends on your definition of malicious intent. What I believe my links show is that JF have a long standing policy of creating pages to manipulate Google rankings.

I make no comment as to whether manipulating Google with hidden, benign text is malicious. So it's up to you, eCOGRA and the public to decide whether the 'maliciousness' started just recently (when the text became malignant), or whether it was also unnacceptable back in March 2005.

Hope that's clear!


TB


PS. If you really want my personal opinion, I would say that the March 2005 activities are probably no different than those practiced by numerous other casinos and affiliates. I would therefore say that their activities only became malicious recently.

 

[swampwitch]

A question that should be asked now is, how many new downloads and how much in new deposits is this nasty little campaign generating? And could that have something to do with the reason these casinos aren't in a big hurry to stop it?
By the way...still waiting to see how they work in "crib death" and "ethnic cleansing" as a reason to play slots. That's about all they've missed.