issuing a challenge to 32red/mg

[Alexishot69]

patrin

These %s are woeful if u r playing mostly slots..especially over extended periods..i could see the point in maybe just a couple of months but 80.03% over 2 years is shocking..youll find most casinos advetise 95%+ payouts so hmmm you can now see how good your stats are..

 

[wayram]

I'm not knocking 32red but i have not had a cash in since Feb this year and that was a small one of around 300. I play there more than regulary hoping that i might get a very good drop. Most times i put in 50 or 100 and sometimes it lasts a few days most times not. Tonight put in 50 played spring break @ 45 up to 1.35 and bang ....gone in notime...Last week put in 100 plus 150 bonus with 30 play through at Red Flush played for over a week met playthrough cashed in 800 left in 200 and eventually lost it..Tonight put in 50 played Spring Break @ 45 up to 1.35 and two hours later have still got 55..So maybe there is something in what you guys are saying about 32 red. When it is cold it is bloody freezing and it lasts and lasts.

 

[Rhyzz]

82% and 80% !!!!!

Crikey, I thought my 86% was bad at Inter. Anything less than 95% is just theft, i'd close your account because you will never recoup those losses, you're fighting a losing battle.

How operations are allowed to stay open with such poor payouts I will never know. The Marvel slots are a prime example of poor payouts. 92% I believe is the RTP which is criminal, Crypto are obviously struggling to pay for the license and so they drastically reduce the RTP to make more money

 

[patrina]

These %s are woeful if u r playing mostly slots..especially over extended periods..i could see the point in maybe just a couple of months but 80.03% over 2 years is shocking..youll find most casinos advetise 95%+ payouts so hmmm you can now see how good your stats are..

Hey Alex, yes I play frequently but I did stop playing at Dash for a while there, and went to 32 Red. But, also there have been many times when I could cash out at 32 Red and didn't, so my fault there. They really are the exception. I would like to see the other MG casinos come here to be challenged instead of 32 Red, but I guess that's where you play? Anyway, I am praying for a win, soon! Thanks for the reply alex, also Pat has explained to me what the percentages actually mean, so I'm not in the dark anymore. Anyway, here's to better luck soon! And next time I win anything, I am cashing out!!
Patrina

 

[Alexishot69]

yeah

Hey Alex, yes I play frequently but I did stop playing at Dash for a while there, and went to 32 Red. But, also there have been many times when I could cash out at 32 Red and didn't, so my fault there. They really are the exception. I would like to see the other MG casinos come here to be challenged instead of 32 Red, but I guess that's where you play? Anyway, I am praying for a win, soon! Thanks for the reply alex, also Pat has explained to me what the percentages actually mean, so I'm not in the dark anymore. Anyway, here's to better luck soon! And next time I win anything, I am cashing out!!
Patrina

I to be honest have named 32red but thats as you rightly point out only cos its the site i play..the real finger should be pointed at MG but the silence from them in any situation is deafening..and if i did lay the finger at 32reds door id like to say its really directed at MG..most of us who have posted in this thread believe something isnt right there and hasnt been for a while...as for cashouts patrina i just wish i was ever in that situation ive hardly ever been in front at all...lol

 

[RedKaos]

Here is the answer of the customer support about the ridiculous payout percentages of the slots in November: (I lost more than 2600 this month....)

Hi David,


"Thank you for your email.

I have reviewed your account and can see that the payout percentage for the month is 74 per cent which is certainly lower than we would like.

I can assure you, however, that the Slots haven't been tightened.

In light of your low payout for the month, I have credited your account with a discretionary bonus of 50.00.

I hope this brings some good luck!!!

If you need any further assistance please contact us at Player Support.

Kind regards

Sarah
Player Support Representative
32Red



............

 

[patrina]

Here is the answer of the customer support about the ridiculous payout percentages of the slots in November: (I lost more than 2600 this month....)

Hi David,


"Thank you for your email.

I have reviewed your account and can see that the payout percentage for the month is 74 per cent which is certainly lower than we would like.

I can assure you, however, that the Slots haven't been tightened.

In light of your low payout for the month, I have credited your account with a discretionary bonus of 50.00.

I hope this brings some good luck!!!

If you need any further assistance please contact us at Player Support.

Kind regards

Sarah
Player Support Representative
32Red



............

David, why so ? I think that was a vey generous credit. That is where 32 Red is the exception and I would like to see another casino give out credits like that. Your payout is not good, is that typical for all your play? Do you play other MG casinos? I would like to see the 'other' MG casinos come here as they are the ones I would have the most issues with, (but this isn't my thread either) 32 Red is the most generous casino around and their cs is bar none. Do you just play there? Or other MG's too? Thanks
Patrina

 

[Alexishot69]

Here is the answer of the customer support about the ridiculous payout percentages of the slots in November: (I lost more than 2600 this month....)

Hi David,


"Thank you for your email.

I have reviewed your account and can see that the payout percentage for the month is 74 per cent which is certainly lower than we would like.

I can assure you, however, that the Slots haven't been tightened.

In light of your low payout for the month, I have credited your account with a discretionary bonus of 50.00.

I hope this brings some good luck!!!

If you need any further assistance please contact us at Player Support.

Kind regards

Sarah
Player Support Representative
32Red



............

that must be surely one of the worst %s ive seen and yeah i agree with patrina 32red are good with freebies but gee 2600 euros in a month with a 74% payout is comical really and yet more for MG to try explain but will we hear this from the horses mouth? neve its left to 32 and other mgs to sort out the mess ..

 

[RedKaos]

32Red is by far the best MG casino operator.I wrote this thread with no intention to blame them of course but just for information.

I'll be back in December in the screenshots section....

 

[vinylweatherman]

32Red is by far the best MG casino operator.I wrote this thread with no intention to blame them of course but just for information.

I'll be back in December in the screenshots section....

Quite,

32Red's Pat is the ONLY MGS casino rep to have the B***s to even comment on this controversial topic. I find it hard to believe that no other MG casino rep has seen this thread.

It will take MGS to answer most of these questions, and the opportunity should arise towards the end of January

 

[Alexishot69]

and again

i am a mug another 50 deposit goes down the drain but hey i managed to get at one time 4 in front ..cmon pat theres just no getting away from it and im saying pat cos your the only guy who as vwm says has the guts to even respond from mg on here things are desperate at mg at the moment huh? heres a few stats for you to try and explain pat ok? total deposited inc bonuses is over 700 since august and withdrawls hmmm they equal 0..and this incidentally is the excellent cs at 32 btw,,,,
alexandra: hi i wonder if it would be possible for you to send me by email the latest % payou from the games i have played tonight?
Nicola: Please can i take your account number?
alexandra: P32RExxxxxxxx
Nicola: one moment please
Nicola: Can you explain what you mean
Nicola: payout percage as one for this evening
alexandra: yes i mean the % payout from the games i have played tonight<slots>
alexandra: no for each individual game..please
alexandra: i know its possible cos pat sent me them a few days ago but they seem to be getting lower and lower the %s

alexandra: and tonights is right up there with the worst of them by far
alexandra: if its also possible could you give me my total deposit and cashout stats please?

5 min lapse

alexandra: u still there?

10 min lapse

alexandra: excuse me are you still there please

10 min lapse

Nicola is reading your
message

alexandra: i hope u dont mind me saying but this is extremely ignorant to be totally ignored huh?


At this point ive gave up and decided to open another chatbox...

Nicola: Thank you for contacting us, alexandra. My name is Nicola, how can I help?
alexandra: hi nicola is it possible for you to answer me in the other chat at all ? 20 mnutes ive een waiting for a response

she then gives the excuse that the other chat timed out which is a joke to be honest and then tells me it will be a while before she can send these for me.....im sorry pat and i reiterate i only say pat cos well you know why...lol..mg are as tight as fort knox atm ....

incidentally wen i recieve my stats which may take a while ill post tem but i expect the payout t be in the low to mid 50s...

 

[patrina]

Hey gang, I have been away from the forum because I have been doing some spinning! Ok, so two nights ago, I cashed in some rubies and played my fav game jj, didn't do that great so changed over to Cherry Red, Cherry red kept me going for a little while, I played for a couple hrs and then went down. Last night I deposited and played a few different games, I went to my fav again and again, not so well, but I played around with 3-4 games and it started paying, I played at Double dose and Cherry Red and Moonshine, I got the bonus round on Moonshine and got all 16spins w/ 4x multiplier. That got me up quite a bit. I was up to $300 and played for a long time on this. Eventually, (my stupidity) I went down to $50 and cashed out, a great thing to add is that my withdrawal was in my Moneybookers today. So, I went back and went to Cherry Red again, got 3 red 7's and it paid out $100, I played a few other games too, Gypsy Queen, one spin gave me $65, anyway got up to $150 or so and played for quite a while but again out of stupidity went back to jj, and lost it. So, do you think it's the games we are playing? I pretty much play the same games, moonshine and jellyfish jaunt, but jj alot more. Since I have changed games, my luck has improved, do you think our stubborness is getting the best of us? I am going back now, I'l let you know how I do!! Good Luck all!!
Patrina

 

[Alexishot69]

just as expected

Recieved a reply back from 32red regarding the payout % of my play last night and as expected totally just well i dunno what to say...lol heres the email..

Hi alexandra

Thankyou for your recent contact,

As per your previous request i have reviewed your account and provided below your payout percentages for this evening.

Break da Bank = 81.93%
Ladies nite = 149%
No worries = 45%
Summertime = 58%


This was from nicola at 32red which i appreciate her sending me so quick<hence best cs> however what is worrying is i played very few games on ladies nite did a hit n run cos i know how volatile that can be and most of my lay was done on the last 2 for 100s of spins moreso summertime..now forgive me if i am wrong but these fall spectacularly short of what we as players expect when playing online slots no? i dont for one minute expect it to payout 95% for every spin but on an extended play for 100s of spins i have to say 45 + 58 %is well ill let the reader decide..im positive you know what i am meaning..these must surely to god show that something is way amiss at MG atm ...

 

[pinsnpies]

Alexishot69 have you tried playing at spin palace? Don't see why all the loyalty to 32red if their slots aren't paying squat tbh.

 

[KasinoKing]

Break da Bank = 81.93%
Ladies nite = 149%
No worries = 45%
Summertime = 58%


This was from nicola at 32red which i appreciate her sending me so quick<hence best cs> however what is worrying is i played very few games on ladies nite did a hit n run cos i know how volatile that can be and most of my lay was done on the last 2 for 100s of spins moreso summertime..now forgive me if i am wrong but these fall spectacularly short of what we as players expect when playing online slots no? i dont for one minute expect it to payout 95% for every spin but on an extended play for 100s of spins i have to say 45 + 58 %is well ill let the reader decide..im positive you know what i am meaning..these must surely to god show that something is way amiss at MG atm ...

Not being funny, but 100's of spins is not enough to judge the overall return with any sort of accuracy.
To get even close to 95% you would have to play 1000's.

I would rate Break your Bank & No Worries as very high variance - if you don't get a decent bonus feature, you're screwed.
Ladies & Summer are medium variance.

You need to decide what you want from your slot play; if you want lots of playing time & some fun for your money - play low variance slots.
If you want to make money - use bonuses & do more of those "Hit & Run's" like you did on Ladies Nite.
If you're going for the 'Big Hit' and don't mind blowing your stack in a 20-30 minutes - carry on as you are.

I hope you're taking advantage of that easy money from Ladbrokes I told you about - at least that will give you a bit more playing time.

For the record, my 32Red stats (overall):-
Sep: Wagered $2,090, Spins 2,456-ish, Lost $450, Return = 78.47% (Too many big spins on high variance slots)
Oct: Wagered $6,256, Spins 6,630-ish, Gained $300, Return = 104.8%
Nov: Wagered $3,180, Spins 4,073-ish, Lost $74, Return = 97.71%
(Note: Still playing November. All months are slots play only)

KK

 

[Alexishot69]

kk

Not being funny, but 100's of spins is not enough to judge the overall return with any sort of accuracy.
To get even close to 95% you would have to play 1000's.

I would rate Break your Bank & No Worries as very high variance - if you don't get a decent bonus feature, you're screwed.
Ladies & Summer are medium variance.

You need to decide what you want from your slot play; if you want lots of playing time & some fun for your money - play low variance slots.
If you want to make money - use bonuses & do more of those "Hit & Run's" like you did on Ladies Nite.
If you're going for the 'Big Hit' and don't mind blowing your stack in a 20-30 minutes - carry on as you are.

I hope you're taking advantage of that easy money from Ladbrokes I told you about - at least that will give you a bit more playing time.

For the record, my 32Red stats (overall):-
Sep: Wagered $2,090, Spins 2,456-ish, Lost $450, Return = 78.47% (Too many big spins on high variance slots)
Oct: Wagered $6,256, Spins 6,630-ish, Gained $300, Return = 104.8%
Nov: Wagered $3,180, Spins 4,073-ish, Lost $74, Return = 97.71%
(Note: Still playing November. All months are slots play only)

KK

kasinoking i totally see where your coming from ...i didnt mention earlier but i had an acct at laddies but my luck there was as bad as it is now at 32...i perhaps just need a total change of scenery although i did try a deposit at inetbet the other night and at least got some gameplay for my 40 but again never in front to make a w/d...i also take on board the 1000s of spins needed but at the sametime thats the reason im keeping playing is that i know its daft but surely there must be a half decent win due sometime...lol..i just dunno whats for the best wether to seek as i say pastures new or keep plugging awat hoping i hit that half decent win....thnx again for your input....alex x

 

[silcnlayc]

Alexishot69, I am an impatient player and want that hit quickly but my husband is the one that can drag out $20 bucks for HOURS whereas I can blow a $100 in minutes..

I am taking a page from his play and trying to slow down mine and depositing only 30-40 dollars at a time now...he actually withdraws almost more than me in the 100's by playing his way..starting real low 20-40 cents then to $1 a spin..

Maybe this will help in figuring out your play style to make it more enjoyable for you...I know I was frustrated for a while until he said to slow down, take my time...knowing I like to hit and run, win or lose..slowing down is very difficult for me but I am doing it and I am withdrawing more often now..

I do fall of the wagon but I then stop, knowing slow is the way to go..

Hopefully this helps..it did me

 

[mercy]

i am a mug

You are a fool parting with your money my friend.

 

[Alexishot69]

yeah

You are a fool parting with your money my friend.

You could be right mercy..but i do it for fun and always have but really just isnt as much fun as it used to be and i been playing for a good few years..i remember the days i could deposit some cash and have a lot of fun and once in a while maybe cashout...

 

[mercy]

You could be right mercy..but i do it for fun and always have but really just isnt as much fun as it used to be and i been playing for a good few years..i remember the days i could deposit some cash and have a lot of fun and once in a while maybe cashout...

I glad that you have taken my qoute as tongue and cheek as I had intended, but yes the good old days are gone.

 

[Alexishot69]

And

I glad that you have taken my qoute as tongue and cheek as I had intended, but yes the good old days are gone.

That sums up the whole point of this thread mercy "THINGS HAVE CHANGED" and even a blindman can see it ..i guess its one of these things in life we will never ever know though ...

 

[mercy]

That sums up the whole point of this thread mercy "THINGS HAVE CHANGED" and even a blindman can see it ..i guess its one of these things in life we will never ever know though ...

I'm not blind and I'm not a man but................. The payouts suck as of late.

Here's my take.

Most casino's have a certain payout percentage of say 95%. Well, that derives from of say 100.000 a month of deposits, thus the casino gets 5000.00.

I truly believe with the advent of the Uigea the deposits has decreased by over 50% at most casino's, it takes twice as long for a casino to reach their percentage of deposits per withdrawals.

That being said,I feel that is why we are seeing less and less screenshots and players complaining of less wins.

The more people who play, the increased chancing you have at winning.

 

[patrina]

Alex, so here's my take on everything, when you get up there at all, cash out. The games can be tricky. I played Moonshine got the bonus round and got a good hit at $137 then it kept me going for a bit was up to $200 and then played for quite a while and went down some, changed games and did ok at Gypsy Queen, got the bonus round a few times, and the last few times I got the bonus round at GQ, it only paid $8 and $12, so I left and went to a few other games, then went back to Moonshine, got up again to about $150, then started going down, not right away, but I went down to $100, it 'looked' like the bonus round was coming but it didn't so went to Jellyfish and didn't do so great, ended up cashing out at $70. So, when we can we have to cash out and we can't chase a bonus and we have to realize although it may look like it's coming, we can't hold our breath. From my experiences some games pay better then others, Moonshine pays better then any game I've played (on a consisitent basis) I am out now for a bit. Good luck and tty all later
Patrina

 

[pinsnpies]

The challenge is knowing when to cash out when you win. I always cash out when I quadruple my deposit. 1 maximum bets and I rarely play 25 to 50 liners.

Say I deposit 25 and reach 125, i'll withdraw 100 and leave the 25 there for a couple of days to come back and play with another time. There is nothing worse than lying in bed and thinking "I should have cashed out that 100 winnings I blew trying to win more. We have all been there I know.

100 might not seem like a lot but trust me it all adds up.

Last Month I gave 600 of winnings back to the casino trying to win more and I always feel like crap. Also I NEVER reverse withdrawals. Cuz once it all goes, you feel rotten.

 

[mercy]

Don't Patrina, I was being sarcastic, too much to drink tonight.

Accept my apology and the derail.

 

[spearmaster]

I am on my first mug of coffee. And my eyes are half-open.

As you can see, I have deleted a number of posts and left only the markers.

Ladies, please ensure this does not happen again. Thank you.

 

[path]

32Red

...cmon pat theres just no getting away from it and im saying pat cos your the only guy who as vwm says has the guts to even respond from mg on here things are desperate at mg at the moment huh? heres a few stats for you to try and explain pat ok? total deposited inc bonuses is over 700 since august and withdrawls hmmm they equal 0..and this incidentally is the excellent cs at 32 btw,,,,
..im sorry pat and i reiterate i only say pat cos well you know why...lol..mg are as tight as fort knox atm ....

I would just like to state that I do not represent, nor do I speak on behalf of Microgaming. As an operator of their excellent Casino Software I think it only right and proper that I do comment on the performance of the games from the 32Red perspective. To say that 'things are desperate at MG and that MG are as tight as fort knox atm' is completely without foundation; by all means use this volatile language to describe your own individual experience of their software, if that is indeed the case.

In respect of withdrawals that you have made, yes, they do equal 0. The decision to withdraw, or not, is entirely your decision and it really does depend upon your style of play and what you are trying to achieve from your deposit. Some players will withdraw their initial deposit once their winnings have increased that initial deposit by say 50%. Other players will withdraw if they are on a losing streak and their 'bankroll' is at 50% of their initial deposit. It is difficult to advise players on what is the best way to play, other than stating 'that only gamble with what you can afford to lose'. It all depends on your approach really and what is your objective; are you looking for that big win or looking to get the maximum play time and entertainment from your deposit? Whichever, be prepared to lose the initial deposit! A sensible approach is the one that 'Pinsnpies' has proffered in his post here whereby the initial deposit is withdrawn when the balance has reached four times the value of the deposit.

I would agree that the 78.3% payout percentage in your latest gameplay session of 1100 spins is below the averages that we would expect to see. I fully agree with what Kasino King has already stated 'not being funny, but 100's of spins is not enough to judge the overall return with any sort of accuracy'. Looking at the payout percentage over the lifetime that your account has been open we see a return of 89.56% on just under 33,000 spins. Incidentally, of these 33,000 spins 35% of them have generated a payout; a pretty good 'hit-rate' for the games that you have been playing.
We at 32Red do strongly believe in supporting our players when they experience bad runs and with free chips accounting for 279 of the 700(ish) total deposits, I hope you see this as being the case here.

I would like to take this opportunity of apologising for the standard of the Live Chat; we do, on rare occassions, get some gremlins at work with this software and it can give the appearance that we are ignoring the player. I assure you that this is far from being the case; we simply see the chat as being inactive and we aren't then in a position to post a reply. We are in the process of sourcing new Live Chat software and hope to have a new, much improved, version on offer early in the New Year.

I hope that is enough to satisfy 'alexishot' that nothing has changed at 32Red, nor at MG for that matter.

Cheers
Pat

 

[Jufo]

So Pat how about contacting Microgaming and asking if they can implement Randomness verification which is already in use at Bet Voyager. If the software is fair, then adding transparency how the software draws outcomes would be only beneficial to all.

 

[vinylweatherman]

So Pat how about contacting Microgaming and asking if they can implement Randomness verification which is already in use at Bet Voyager. If the software is fair, then adding transparency how the software draws outcomes would be only beneficial to all.

It would also help allay fears if you could break the silence on WTF went on with Mega Moolah earlier this year. It was clearly many standard deviations off the norm for the two minor posts to behave the way they did, and then suddenly go back to "normal behaviour". The fact that MGS simply REFUSE to even acknowledge the issue, let alone explain it, has driven this recent frenzy of "conspiracy theory" to a raging inferno.

 

[patrina]

Hey all, Thank you Pat, for your explanation. I can only imagine you sitting there thinking, how can I explain this issue with relevancy, when there is really not alot that you can really elaborate on, yes we NEED someone from MG to come here. To put Pat through this is wrong, MG is the issue here and it just happens that Pat is taking the fall for MG and trying to constantly assure us that 32 Red is alive and well, nothing has changed and the payouts are the same as before, and it really gets down to the luck of the draw, that a game may pay and a game may not pay. There is some skill involved with slots and you 'use it' or 'lose it.' I have learned alot from the past several days of play. I have already stated these lessons, but again I think we need to play with more thought involved if we want to win anything above our initial deposits. 32 Red is generous and the cs has always been bar none, of course there are going to be situations when a chat may be lost etc. In the past several days, I have not won anything huge, but did ok, played for a little while on my deposits and could of cashed out several times, but didn't. If I were to of stayed at my fav game, I wouldn't of gotten very far. Because I switched around to several different games, until I found one that was paying, I did ok. Now, you may all say, "Why the change of attitude?" Well, it hasn't changed much except that I have realized I have not been playing 'too smart' i still have concerns that I would like to see 'MG' address. As for 32 Red? I think that Pat has answered dutifully and has said all he can say. We need to get someone from MG here to address our concerns. Thanks all
Patrina

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hey all, Thank you Pat, for your explanation. I can only imagine you sitting there thinking, how can I explain this issue with relevancy, when there is really not alot that you can really elaborate on, yes we NEED someone from MG to come here. To put Pat through this is wrong, MG is the issue here and it just happens that Pat is taking the fall for MG and trying to constantly assure us that 32 Red is alive and well, nothing has changed and the payouts are the same as before, and it really gets down to the luck of the draw, that a game may pay and a game may not pay. There is some skill involved with slots and you 'use it' or 'lose it.' I have learned alot from the past several days of play. I have already stated these lessons, but again I think we need to play with more thought involved if we want to win anything above our initial deposits. 32 Red is generous and the cs has always been bar none, of course there are going to be situations when a chat may be lost etc. In the past several days, I have not won anything huge, but did ok, played for a little while on my deposits and could of cashed out several times, but didn't. If I were to of stayed at my fav game, I wouldn't of gotten very far. Because I switched around to several different games, until I found one that was paying, I did ok. Now, you may all say, "Why the change of attitude?" Well, it hasn't changed much except that I have realized I have not been playing 'too smart' i still have concerns that I would like to see 'MG' address. As for 32 Red? I think that Pat has answered dutifully and has said all he can say. We need to get someone from MG here to address our concerns. Thanks all
Patrina

May not happen, but they WILL be at the ATEI show (up in ICEi), and there will be ample opportunity for an in depth "interogation"

 

[steinhaug]

I would agree that the 78.3% payout percentage in your latest gameplay session of 1100 spins is below the averages that we would expect to see. I fully agree with what Kasino King has already stated 'not being funny, but 100's of spins is not enough to judge the overall return with any sort of accuracy'.

The system may not have changed in payout, however what seems to be an obvious change is that the losing streaks before wins occure seems to be much larger and much more common now than pervious years. As an example I did a fresh test account the other day and got over 2300 spins before feature, which is quite impressive! After this features started occuring, however with bad results, so it was constant loosing for around 3000 spins.

Such a session, if you get to experience it, will most likely be so costly that when you do get your wins which will balance out your payout to the 95%ish, you are mostly on low wagers terrified of upping bets and end up getting advertised payout in mean percentage - however not in cash percentage. A way of visualizing the slot payout I totally forgot to dig into, it blew my mind!

 

[pinsnpies]

I feel you severly limit your chances of winning playing at just one mg casino. I losy 200 this weekend at riverbelle and 100 at redflush but won 400 at grandhotel and 270 at spin palace.

If somewhere isn't working for me, i'll go somewhere else.

 

[KasinoKing]

As an example I did a fresh test account the other day and got over 2300 spins before feature, which is quite impressive! After this features started occuring, however with bad results, so it was constant losing for around 3000 spins.

Which slot was that on???

For the record (again) from my last deposit at 32Red, this is how many spins it took to get a feature on the slots I have played so far:-

Dragons Loot 156
Double O'Cash 18
Elementals 157
Franken Cash 83
Jonny Specter 2
Gladiator 300
Glory of Rome 272
Harveys 62
Hitman 2
Hohoho 12
Isis 62
Jolly Jester 53
Jonny Specter 29
Jungle Jim 1
Kathmandu 25
Ladies Nite 78
Little Chef 56
Loaded 29
Lucky Stars 110
Mad Hatters 10
Magic Spell 50
Mermaids Mill 15
MoonShite 303
Munchkins 111
No Worries 42
Polar Bash 92
Prime Property 37

KK

 

[steinhaug]

Which slot was that on???

Well, it was not one particular slot but the sum of spins between the slots before one single feature hit. Looking at the logs I did around 30-150 spins on each slot before reaching some 2300 spins and first feature.

Still, normally slots must hit earlier than others which hit slow - so the average 136 spins pr feature should still apply even if switching games methinks logially.

 

[Trollet]

Ok..im here with my 2 cents again
I did play at 32Red...and i had so much fun. Made a 30 depo..played for hours...and even got to cashout 350. It was a blast.
I got so many sets of free spins that it was sick....lol. We are never happy are we

I have been there a few times in last week and i had more play time there than in any other place in the last month.

I do belive its all just about luck...nothing else. Its just that when you lose and lose you get pissed...and then you start to look for something/ someone to blame. And..i do belive that 50% of the times everyone would have been able to cashout...but its just so damn hard to find the cashier...lol.
Offcourse...it all depends on what you are trying to get.

I guess that was all for now I wish you all, the best of luck at the casinos...and dont forget..that if everyone would win all the time..there would be no casinos left. And we would all sit here and do ....something


(((HUGS)))) Trollet

 

[Rusty]

Last 2000 or so over 3 MG's

Osbornes -----900+
WhatOnEarth 100
TwinSamuri 180
Thunderstruck 170
Thunderstruck 80
Thunderstruck 30
HighLife 20
SupeItUp 300

+255 since last feature.

 

[Alexishot69]

done

What i should have done perhaps weeks ago closed my acct at 32red...and wont play at another mg casino cos of them all i think that was the best..now what i need to find is a casino where my deposits will at least a little more than they have been doing

 

[zebedy]

with my luck at microgaming i think its time to quit AGAIN

i emailed support to know my payout % after my last deposit and was told it was 50% im suprised it was that high, it didnt feel like it :sob:
the next time i want that much excitement i think ill just spend the time pulling the fluff out of my belly button

 

[Pinababy69]

I wanted to get my stats for yesterday to add to this thread, as it was a long session.

Time Played: About 7 hrs, with breaks in between
Games Played: My Slot, Gift Rap, Rainbow's End, Adventure Palace, Sunset Showdown, Deck The Halls, Dragon's Loot
Total Number of Spins: 9,357 (3,560 generated a payout)
Amount Wagered: $4,351
Payout Percentage: 106.89%

And the best part was that all of this was generated from cashing in $10 worth of rubies at 32Red. And I had a nice cashout of several hundred dollars.

 

[steinhaug]

Those sessions are sweet indeed! Don't you just love it when you hit something all the time!

 

[Rusty]

Last 2000 or so over 3 MG's

Osbornes -----900+
WhatOnEarth 100
TwinSamuri 180
Thunderstruck 170
Thunderstruck 80
Thunderstruck 30
HighLife 20
SupeItUp 300

+255 since last feature.

2More deposits and 413 spins without a feature on Summertime 55% (est)

So that is now 668 spins on Summertime without a feature.

Averaging around 300 spins a feature :yahoo:

KK when was the last time you went 650+spins without a feature?
As you can see I have managed it Twice quite comfortably playing min of 9 lines and 3 coins.

 

[KasinoKing]

KK when was the last time you went 650+spins without a feature?
As you can see I have managed it Twice quite comfortably playing min of 9 lines and 3 coins.

Under normal circumstances I would never get anywhere near 650 spins without a feature before giving up & moving on to a different slot.
My normal tolerance of pain threshold is somewhere round the 300 spins mark, often a lot lower.

However in November playing Santa Paws every day for the scratchcards I went for 676 spins with no feature!
But it's swings & roundabouts... Stats time again!

Spins between features:-
64
676
190
164
75
64
160
5
216
209
52
208
41
210
99
101
33
+ 180 spins at the end of the month without hitting the feature.

Total spins = 2963 (including the free-spins)
Features = 18 (16 + 2 re-triggers - counted as 2 features to get true odds)
Average spins/feature = 165

Best feature return: Bet x 159.4 (see winner screenshots! )
Worst feature return: Bet x 20.8
Average feature return: Bet x 65.78

Despite that (and being 206 down after the first 11 days), I still managed to wager 1,580 throughout the month and come out the other end 19 up!
On top of that I also got 160 from the scratchcards

Full spreadsheet available on request!
KK

 

[Cesar]

My statistics today on "Ladies Nite".

Take note of the number of spins played. I only got 1 feature

I don't remember the exact point, but around spin number 250-260, so more than 900 spins without feature in the session and a 55% RTP.

Is normal for this slot??

I know 1200 spins is not enough in statistical perspective, but after reading this thread, I'm worried that somethig odd is going on

 

[retlaw]

I know 1200 spins is not enough in statistical perspective, but after reading this thread, I'm worried that somethig odd is going on

It is always the standard answer you get : not enough spins to be statistical relevant.Fact is that we never can play enough spins to prove there is something wrong .Unless in practice play, but I don't trust the figures generated by this play mode.
My question is: Why do so many players complain now and not a year ago?

 

[vinylweatherman]

My statistics today on "Ladies Nite".

Take note of the number of spins played. I only got 1 feature

I don't remember the exact point, but around spin number 250-260, so more than 900 spins without feature in the session and a 55% RTP.

Is normal for this slot??
I know 1200 spins is not enough in statistical perspective, but after reading this thread, I'm worried that somethig odd is going on

Sorry to say this, but yes, this broadly falls within what would be considered "normal", in the same sense that a retrigger within the 15 free spins is also "normal".

Naturally, if this was EVERY DAMN SESSION, then it would NOT be "normal".
The average is 150 spins between features (Zoozie came up with an accurate figure a while back).

1000+ is pretty dire, yet this has happened to be at it's clone Thunderstruck. I upped the bet & got wild hammers (1500x line bet), and got back all the losses - I moved on, STILL without a single bonus round.
What is even worse, is that MOST bonus rounds pay back almost nothing anyway, with an average of only 33x bet, and a variance that is sky high

 

[Rusty]

My luck has improved the last couple of Days but if it had got any worse I would have got no features and no returns.

Anyway after the summertime debacle I finally hit about $50 on the feature which clawed some of the losses back and then tried the new Christmas slot and hit a decent win on that so that probably pulled my payout back to around 90+% for Dec.
I am still going long sessions without triggering features though I am wondering if MG has changed the variance but not the overall payout.
Of course this would be impossible if the slots were not weighted.

My last session:
Avalon 645
Sure Win 130
currently 465 spins without feature.
so 2 features in over 1200 spins

For the record KK the number of spins is in between features and the slot is just the last slot I triggered the feature.
So Avalon was actually 585 and I had gone 60 spins on another slot before that.
I am calculating number of consecutive spins without a trigger all slots and I do not include bonus round triggers unless that is the main feature for the slot such as What on Earth.