issuing a challenge to 32red/mg

[KasinoKing]

i am NOT here having a go at 32red what i am doing is having a go at MG and its just that i play at 32red that i even mentioned them..kasinoking as someone pointed out earlier your remarks are pretty uncalled for ..

Just as you are not having a go at 32Red, I'm not having a go at you in particular, or at all in fact.
What I am trying to do is help you.
I've given you a way to make some easy money & you've ignored it... twice.
Your prerogative.

I don't need to write a great long post about this - just go back & read Pina's last 4 or 5 posts and that is my exact opinion too.
All I can post here is what I have personally experienced. I'm not questioning what you or anyone else is seeing - how could I when there is no way for me to see what's happening during your play?
All I can say is that I've played MG's slots every month for over 4 years and have seen nothing where I could conclusively say that something has changed with the games.
Yes, I low-roll all the time because that's just my way. As to the suggestion that I try high-rolling for a bit - forget it! I have a mission & a plan - to win back the crazy amounts of money I blew away for over 20 years on stupid rigged fruit machines - and I ain't finished yet.
I am not now, nor I have ever said that MG or any other software is definitely fair - how could I possibly know that? In my opinion it is fair, but I can't categorically state that it is because there's no way for me to prove it.

I really hope your luck changes soon - but for goodness sake PLEASE stop playing Break your Bank.
KK

 

[Alexishot69]

again

Just as you are not having a go at 32Red, I'm not having a go at you in particular, or at all in fact.
What I am trying to do is help you.
I've given you a way to make some easy money & you've ignored it... twice.
Your prerogative.

I don't need to write a great long post about this - just go back & read Pina's last 4 or 5 posts and that is my exact opinion too.
All I can post here is what I have personally experienced. I'm not questioning what you or anyone else is seeing - how could I when there is no way for me to see what's happening during your play?
All I can say is that I've played MG's slots every month for over 4 years and have seen nothing where I could conclusively say that something has changed with the games.
Yes, I low-roll all the time because that's just my way. As to the suggestion that I try high-rolling for a bit - forget it! I have a mission & a plan - to win back the crazy amounts of money I blew away for over 20 years on stupid rigged fruit machines - and I ain't finished yet.
I am not now, nor I have ever said that MG or any other software is definitely fair - how could I possibly know that? In my opinion it is fair, but I can't categorically state that it is because there's no way for me to prove it.

I really hope your luck changes soon - but for goodness sake PLEASE stop playing Break your Bank.
KK

I have taken your advice and wont play that again however id be really interested to hear what you have to say about VWMs posts a cpl pages back where he has opened up a whole new outlook on this thread by unearthing loopholes in pats reply...once again this has nothing to do with 32 its MG im having a go at and it seems from reading this thread something has changed and thnx as i say to vwms input the cracks are appearing dont you think? on the other matter again about how to make from slots i reckon id need taken by the hand and shown how to do it but then agan maybe i just need a new hobby huh

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have taken your advice and wont play that again however id be really interested to hear what you have to say about VWMs posts a cpl pages back where he has opened up a whole new outlook on this thread by unearthing loopholes in pats reply...once again this has nothing to do with 32 its MG im having a go at and it seems from reading this thread something has changed and thnx as i say to vwms input the cracks are appearing dont you think? on the other matter again about how to make from slots i reckon id need taken by the hand and shown how to do it but then agan maybe i just need a new hobby huh

Here's another one for you

many casino reps have said over the years that the chances are the same whether you are playing 25c a spin, or $1 a spin.

 

[patrina]

KK, I am very curious to know, and this question can be applied to anyone that plays MG. Has your bonus rounds ever stopped and then moved or jumped out of the way, so it isn't triggered? With jellyfish j for example, three tornados trigger the free spins right? So, two will roll on down, smooth as chocolate, then the third one stops, just for a fraction of a second and then wtf? it decides uh, nope, I aint staying? Now, this has never ever happened at 32 Red or Dash, but many many other MG casinos. My play varies, from the reels running real smooth, to choppy, really slow, or like I said, inconsistent. I was playing at Roxy palace one time, 'fortune cookie' k? So the three fortune cookies come down on the line, and the third one all of a sudden moves! Now, would you be pissed? This is 'not' my connection btw. I have the best service money can buy and have never had any other problems with my computer. I had microsoft fix my computer and there was a huge amount of spyware etc. so I thought ok, someone is hacking into my games. But, after it was all fixed, it still happens. So, do you ever have this problem? And does this make any sense to you or anyone? Alex, does this happen to you when your playing? I really would not waste my time bitching and moaning over something if it wasn't so important to me, trust me, I have pneumonia right now and should be resting but I am adamant about some of these issues. After all, this is my money were talking about, money I spend at a casino for a service and I am not getting what I am paying for, right? I know KK that if you had an issue with a casino you would not back down, so? And no, this is about the software not the casino, so were not getting personal. Ok, here's a new theory, someone had outlined the type of customer a casino wants before, in an older thread (maybe it was you KK?) whomever it was, said the casino wants "the recreational player" maybe I and some others dont fit that profile? I dont know, but my money means alot to me and "I tell the dollar what to do, I dont let the dollar tell me what to do" Just so you all know, I am a responsible player anyway. I just feel really beaten, that's all.
Patrina

 

[vinylweatherman]

KK, I am very curious to know, and this question can be applied to anyone that plays MG. Has your bonus rounds ever stopped and then moved or jumped out of the way, so it isn't triggered? With jellyfish j for example, three tornados trigger the free spins right? So, two will roll on down, smooth as chocolate, then the third one stops, just for a fraction of a second and then wtf? it decides uh, nope, I aint staying? Now, this has never ever happened at 32 Red or Dash, but many many other MG casinos. My play varies, from the reels running real smooth, to choppy, really slow, or like I said, inconsistent. I was playing at Roxy palace one time, 'fortune cookie' k? So the three fortune cookies come down on the line, and the third one all of a sudden moves! Now, would you be pissed? This is 'not' my connection btw. I have the best service money can buy and have never had any other problems with my computer. I had microsoft fix my computer and there was a huge amount of spyware etc. so I thought ok, someone is hacking into my games. But, after it was all fixed, it still happens. So, do you ever have this problem? And does this make any sense to you or anyone? Alex, does this happen to you when your playing? I really would not waste my time bitching and moaning over something if it wasn't so important to me, trust me, I have pneumonia right now and should be resting but I am adamant about some of these issues. After all, this is my money were talking about, money I spend at a casino for a service and I am not getting what I am paying for, right? I know KK that if you had an issue with a casino you would not back down, so? And no, this is about the software not the casino, so were not getting personal. Ok, here's a new theory, someone had outlined the type of customer a casino wants before, in an older thread (maybe it was you KK?) whomever it was, said the casino wants "the recreational player" maybe I and some others dont fit that profile? I dont know, but my money means alot to me and "I tell the dollar what to do, I dont let the dollar tell me what to do" Just so you all know, I am a responsible player anyway. I just feel really beaten, that's all.
Patrina

I suspect it is a problem with the VIPER lobby. Even on MY PC, if I run a single MG casino for a long time, the smooth graphics get progressively choppier and choppier, and it does reach the stage where images freeze and jump, and animations, and even sounds, play incorrectly. This is no more than poor programming and inadequate testing, however, where these jumps, spits, and freezes make it look like a good symbol has jumped off the winline, it makes MG loom like it is cheating.

Maybe it is, but that is not how

 

[patrina]

I suspect it is a problem with the VIPER lobby. Even on MY PC, if I run a single MG casino for a long time, the smooth graphics get progressively choppier and choppier, and it does reach the stage where images freeze and jump, and animations, and even sounds, play incorrectly. This is no more than poor programming and inadequate testing, however, where these jumps, spits, and freezes make it look like a good symbol has jumped off the winline, it makes MG loom like it is cheating.

Maybe it is, but that is not how

Ok VWM, I'll buy it from 'you,' but I swore there was some evil hacker hacking into my games to alter them. I know the casinos are under scrutiny and undergo constant tests for fairness etc., but I did actually think someone was hacking me to death! Thx
Patrina

 

[Pinababy69]

I suspect it is a problem with the VIPER lobby. Even on MY PC, if I run a single MG casino for a long time, the smooth graphics get progressively choppier and choppier, and it does reach the stage where images freeze and jump, and animations, and even sounds, play incorrectly.

It happens to me too, on occasion. As VWM said, usually if I've been playing for an extended period of time. And it's not my computer, or lack of memory or anything like that. I have 1 Gig of RAM, Intel dual core processor and decent enough graphics capabilities that even 3Dice runs correctly. It's definitely a bug of some sort. If I close the casino down, and then restart it, it will run fine again.

 

[Alexishot69]

one thing

i have had happen not just once but constantly is if i get a bonus round on the slot "the osbournes" the game just totally freezes and ive had to close down the pc and restart it but mosta the time i just have to log off and log back on...the other things i have to be honest ive never seen or maybe just never paid attention..ive been reading back over all the posts here tonight and just once again want to reiterate i am not complaining about losing i am just suggesting that things at MG are not what they should be and feel vindicated by the fact others have noticed this also..from playing "high variance" to low variance games its just the same and patrina your spot on we play for entertainment and now you cant even get that nomore...People reading this prob will say well why play then...my answer is simple i play because its a hobby and get a buzz out of it but atm its not a buzz its just trying my patience ive also stupidly started chasing losses over the past week something i will no longer be doing cos i know the future fo rme and MG is debatable what really cracks me up in some posts is when casinos come out and say but your payout was this that and tother..what we play want is once in a while is a win am i right? having played 100s ive hardly ever at anytime been in front farless been close to a withdrawal...

 

[vinylweatherman]

i have had happen not just once but constantly is if i get a bonus round on the slot "the osbournes" the game just totally freezes and ive had to close down the pc and restart it but mosta the time i just have to log off and log back on...the other things i have to be honest ive never seen or maybe just never paid attention..ive been reading back over all the posts here tonight and just once again want to reiterate i am not complaining about losing i am just suggesting that things at MG are not what they should be and feel vindicated by the fact others have noticed this also..from playing "high variance" to low variance games its just the same and patrina your spot on we play for entertainment and now you cant even get that nomore...People reading this prob will say well why play then...my answer is simple i play because its a hobby and get a buzz out of it but atm its not a buzz its just trying my patience ive also stupidly started chasing losses over the past week something i will no longer be doing cos i know the future fo rme and MG is debatable what really cracks me up in some posts is when casinos come out and say but your payout was this that and tother..what we play want is once in a while is a win am i right? having played 100s ive hardly ever at anytime been in front farless been close to a withdrawal...

Don't get mad - get even:machinegu

 

[silcnlayc]

Why should it be different for a player to play at $1 a spin for a 100 spins or for a player playing at 25 cents a spin at 100 spins? They both should even out but they don't.

Why? Because the higher the bet, the less payout you achieve...because if a low roller can hit continuously and get their 25 cent bet up over a hundred it would only be common sense a player playing a $1 would get over $400, now wouldn't it?

This is after some play time...etc as Pina says, she can play hours on $20-25 dollars a deposit at 25 cent a spin. Why can't someone play at $1 spin play the same amount? It doesn't compute if it is truly all the same and the denomination doesn't matter, does it?

But it doesn't work like that. There is a reason for it....the bottom line for casinos...I believe if you deposit and play in the same increments and the same games and the same way contiuously, the overall scenerio should be close to the same, regardless...that IS if it is on the up and up...

Think about it...you never hear small rollers complain much if at all about losing it quickly..but if the same amount is spent in a higher denomination, it goes in a flash..no sense at all....why is that? Because IMO, the higher you play, the less hits you are allowed by the game. It's preset...period..


.

 

[jas2587]

Here's another one for you

this is so true I used to get 5 rams
all the time about 2 yrs back
now lucky to get 3

boy they sure do look
Pretty


Cindy

 

[patrina]

Don't get mad - get even:machinegu

Your quote and little guy there reminded me of something there VWM, and that is, does it effect the game if you click multiple times on a spin? Sometimes I'll go click click click, instead of just click, (that sounds funny lol) and the game will act a little odd. Does this affect the outcome? I wouldn't think so, but with the rewagering and all in mind I'm wondering if they have a counter or such. I know it's a random number generator right? But honestly, you could tell me that over and over again and I still dont get it. So what is a random number generator then?
And Alex, dont worry about how you are portraying yourself, we all know that you are not crying rigged or whining that your not winning anything. I for one completely understand what frustrations arise from gaming, and trust me me & you are not alone. I question the software all the time. If I didn't I would question myself
Patrina

 

[patrina]

It happens to me too, on occasion. As VWM said, usually if I've been playing for an extended period of time. And it's not my computer, or lack of memory or anything like that. I have 1 Gig of RAM, Intel dual core processor and decent enough graphics capabilities that even 3Dice runs correctly. It's definitely a bug of some sort. If I close the casino down, and then restart it, it will run fine again.

Pina, it happens to me right away at some casinos. Do you know that game we used to have when we were little? The one where you would have the pictures and you would turn them down and it used to go kinda like, blat blat blat blat blat? (yeh, ok I was a funny little kid lol) well I dont know if you know the game I am referring to but you turned it manually? Well, sometimes that is how the games seem to me. like someone is manually turning my pictures for me, I get soo mad, and I'm like "enough already!" Yes, if I log on and off it helps 'sometimes' Anyway, frustrating! And contrary to what some may think... I am not 2 anymore!!:baby: lol I want to turn my own damn pictures, thank you! Ok off to rest, I think the antibiotics are getting to me now. Maybe back later..if anyone cares:sob: Just kidding all Have a good night!
Patrina

 

[patrina]

this is so true I used to get 5 rams
all the time about 2 yrs back
now lucky to get 3

boy they sure do look
Pretty


Cindy

Ahhh, I know, Cindy Is that thunderstruck? I haven't played that one much but I do remember one time I did play, I did pretty good. Gee, thank god we have each other to lean on eh?
Patrina

 

[aka23]

aka it aint about hitting that huge win and for me it never has been...as for blackjack etc ive absolutely no interest in it what i want is to deposit cash and have an few hours entertainment but atm its take take take and ive said this on another thread and it seems im not the only one that sees this pattern ..something has changed at MGs and everyone can see it..

If it's an obvious change that "everyone" sees, then some supporting numerical data would be helpful. This will confirm that the results truly are abnormal and are not just normal variance due to a relatively low number of spins on a high variance game.

 

[patrina]

If it's an obvious change that "everyone" sees, then some supporting numerical data would be helpful. This will confirm that the results truly are abnormal and are not just normal variance due to a relatively low number of spins on a high variance game.

aka23, would the player supply that info? And if so, how would one do that? thx
Patrina

 

[pinsnpies]

I am going to try ultra low rolling on a couple of deposits on the 9 liners to see if it works for me. I too am tired of 150 deposits just disappearing in 20 minutes. Getting too greedy I suppose.

 

[jas2587]

just take a look at the screen shots
from 2 or so yrs ago to now they
speak for theirselves an how Micro
has changed


Cindy

 

[Alexishot69]

agree

just take a look at the screen shots
from 2 or so yrs ago to now they
speak for theirselves an how Micro
has changed


Cindy

100% with you something has changed at micro and it is beoming way too obvious ..

 

[RobWin]

just take a look at the screen shots
from 2 or so yrs ago to now they
speak for theirselves an how Micro
has changed


Cindy

I've been saying this for about a year now...that winners screenshot thread tells it all...

 

[GrandMaster]

What does it tell?

 

[RobWin]

What does it tell?

Like Jas said if you go back about two years or more in that thread you will see shot after shot after shot of great wins from MG casinos, and large wins too, and then fast forward to this year and there are hardly any at all in there and not only from the US players but from the other international players that used to post quite a few in it too !!

 

[Rhyzz]

I recently wagered through a bonus on Mega Moolah...

200 @ 30x = 6,000

2.50 a spin

6000 / 2.50 = 2,400 Spins, give or take the occasional increase of bet.

I hit the bonus round once....go figure.

MG is a joke lately and I don't play anymore, Playtech get my business. 'Random' jackpots are the worst idea in the world, they're so obviously rigged to only reward higher staking players, and it's about time MG and Crypto realised that they're fighting a losing battle against the likes of Playtech.

 

[KasinoKing]

KK, I am very curious to know, and this question can be applied to anyone that plays MG. Has your bonus rounds ever stopped and then moved or jumped out of the way, so it isn't triggered?
Patrina

As many others have said, yes I have had 'jerky reels' from time to time.
Sometimes a bonus symbol has been involved, and sometimes not.
But I agree with VWM, this is just a 'hiccup' with the graphics; these are not real physical machines with actual reels - just a graphical representation of 5 random numbers generated by a computer.
KK

 

[path]

32Red

Evening all,

Apologies for not being able to reply any earlier; rather a lot of opinions, views, and conspiracy theories for me to digest!

In response to the belief that something has changed with MG Ill let the figures do the talking, so please find below the Payout Percentages (for Slot Games) at 32Red over the last two years;

Month 2007 2008
Jan 107.24 94.71
Feb 95.58 104.10
Mar 95.80 96.11
Apr 95.51 95.25
May 97.31 95.29
Jun 95.71 94.59
July 95.37 95.92
Aug 94.32 96.28
Sep 96.49 96.14
Oct 95.34 95.98
Nov 96.81
Dec 96.26
AVE 96.81 96.44

As is evidenced by the above, there has been very little month to month fluctuation in the overall Payout Percentage for Slots Games at 32Red in the last two years. I'm not sure what other evidence you would like to see provided, but I am always open to (reasonable) suggestions.

Over to you...
Cheers
Pat