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All casinos are rogue to a point.

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by HadEnouth, Dec 26, 2010.

    Dec 26, 2010
  1. HadEnouth

    HadEnouth Dormant account

    Occupation:
    dont work
    Location:
    England
    I've come to the conclusion that even Accredited Casinos are not fully above board and have more control on the payout % than they claim. I can tell you there is something wrong and seen big changes from previous years playing MG casinos. It all eye candy and not random like they claim, It all preset what you win. Far as I am concerned all casinos that claim they are fair are liers and are greedy and have tighted there belts up. And i also suspect allot of those winners screen shots are from cloaked promos and Shills. Because lets face it, We all play those casinos with the dream of hitting something nice and the fact is it will never happen, You got no chance, They control what you will win and when it time to lose everything.

    I know it not possible for me to concretely prove beyond any doubt that casinos are rigged, Just as it is impossible for any online casino site to prove beyond any doubt that they do not cheat!

    What ive seen over the last 8 months on playing casinos proves to me they are rigged and no way is this just bad luck i am getting.

    People say they play it just for entertainment, Stop kidding yourself, We all play it for the buzz and to win. (no one injoys losing) And I can just as much as the next man accept losing, part of gambling after all. But with the law of randomness and variance, You should be winning also, It not meant to run one side forever. This is why i think they are cheating people, Because I've been getting dealt the same play for 8 months. my gut feelings tells me there something really wrong and I feel in my gut i not getting dealt a fair game. I am 99% sure they are cheaters and are scamming allot of people.

    I used to injoy playing casinos, even when i lost because i knew i would have good seasions too, as i did. you have bad days and good days and good play time. But not now, It only ever goes one way, lose, no withdrawels, no playtime. money is gone so quick, Because slots have got that bad, most spins = 0

    in fact if i got all game play records from all places i played and got it looked t, it would prove there are crooks. but Ive closed most my accounts and deleted all software now.

    My faith on gambing is gone, It sucks to lose, but i can live with that, But I cant live with getting scammed , i cant live with the fact that all those times i gambled I never even had a chance to win, It was already chosen by them what was going to happen, Not by a so called random number genarator.

    But I do know one thing, They will lose players in the end, Even mugs catch on in the end that something is a miss and very wrong.

    This mug has woken up and will never gambing online again untill the UK goverment changes the law and stop these casinos from self regulation, i know there is law on gambing, but it dont go far enouth to protect players far as i am concerned.
     
  2. Dec 26, 2010
  3. Brooklyn

    Brooklyn Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Mommy, Make-up Artist, Writer.
    Location:
    On the Hot Mess Express
    I can understand your frustration, and I know it sucks to lose. I never win when I play, and hardly ever get any playtime. However, I don't think the Screenshot thread is filled with a bunch of shills. People do win, and I say good for them, at least someone is winning out there.

    I do not think every casino online is rigged, I don't believe that every casino is out to scam the player. Believe it or not, there are still some good ones out there.
     
  4. Dec 27, 2010
  5. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Yes, I can see you certainly have 'had enouth '

    I would make comment on your claims - but I only get paid for posting screenshots
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  6. Dec 27, 2010
  7. sbean44

    sbean44 Newbie member

    Occupation:
    unemployed
    Location:
    Oregon
    LMFAO@Nifty. Too Funny!
     
  8. Dec 27, 2010
  9. taysh075

    taysh075 Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    Work in mental health
    Location:
    New Zealand
    I feel your frustration. There have been numerous posts regarding these thoughts from people who are experiencing long and painful losing streaks. I know that it is tempting to think every site is rigged somehow. I think we forget however the losses in patrons at these sites with the US players unable to play at many and the economy. This means simply that with less players there are less wins/winners as there is fewer funds going through the casinos. It stands to reason therefore that it is simply harder to win. Saying that, this obviously still occurs and is up to lady luck as always, although she seems to be busy washing her hair or something much of the time. :)
     
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  10. Dec 27, 2010
  11. Mistongo

    Mistongo Newbie member

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    MVD
    Well I thought so too. Through 2010, I deposited over 6000 usd with an average deposit of 50. Total withdrawals of 1500. I was tired really. Last week I hit a 12k progressive in a MG casino and I couldn´t beleve what I was seeing. My 10k withdrawal hit my Neteller account in less than 24hs. I was sure there were rigged like 100 %. I was wrong.
    I reccomend that you play in a casino that has a good reputation, fast withdrawals are the most important thing IMO.
    I play at the casino that is between 0 and 15 and I used to hate them because I could not win there, but now I reccomend them to everybody I know.
     
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  12. Dec 27, 2010
  13. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

    Occupation:
    Manager
    Location:
    Somewhere in eternity
    So, you are oing to quit gambling? :rolleyes:
     
  14. Dec 28, 2010
  15. bakonlin

    bakonlin Dormant account

    Occupation:
    trader
    Location:
    indonesia
    Rig RNG or badluck?


    I opened the multiplayer roulette table at Bet 365 yesterday,I watched a player staking 34 numbers total bet more than $80 ,surprisingly had lost consecutively 2 times in a row!The last number appeared was 0,which he did not staked,then he left.I did not know the situation before.
    I bet only red/black with martingale,I also was wiped out my b.roll $300,panic and boiling blood I took my money from the Sport account,staked $300 on black ,I hit it.Eventually I won more than $100.
    Seeing the earlier ,I just wonder ,is the rng knows what numbers a player stakes,then will hit one of the 3 numbers which is not staked ?Why the rng paid my $300 stake on black?Full of mystery.
     
  16. Dec 28, 2010
  17. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    I am always curious as to why some try to explain away huge losses and continuous losing and how they try to "explain" it away. Saying that there are less players does not work.

    Back in the 90's ...there was a whole lot less players as there are today (how do I know this? Because casinos used to post how many players were IN THE CASINO! I used to be 1 of 5 sometimes 1 of 8 at any given time so...less players is NOT an excuse or reason of what has happened and is happening today!...the wins and losses were still paying out back then in a normal fashion...unlike it is today...I NEVER had a losing streak run more than 3-4 deposits back then and the player base was extremely low...so why is it that one keeps wanting to explain the total continuous losses of deposit after deposit that reach into the 100's?? I mean...c'mon...if one cannot see the forest for the trees...then I suggest not to say anything IMO...because todays gambling is NOT NORMAL in any way shape or form...

    Todays player base is in multiples of the 90's but yet back then one could still make a win or two in between short periods..

    So the explanation of less players does not work at all..I do not care which way one tries to turn it...todays payouts are NOT NORMAL...the swing of things are not equal as they used to be...

    Denial is a very strong emotion and I was one of them..I used every reason why things have deteriorated to the point of nothingness..until the light bulb went off...and there is NO explaning away no matter how hard one tries, to say things are the same and that the wins are fewer because of less players...I DON"T THINK SO....there are much more players still playing today than before and look what has happened...GREED, GREED and more GREED...casinos have gotten used to the gravy train and refuse to give up anything anymore as they used to..when online gambling was FAIR!

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  18. Dec 28, 2010
  19. LHofsdal

    LHofsdal Ueber Meister MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    NY
    I have to agree with you Silcnlayc, it is even much different from when I started back in October of 2009. It never used to be so hard to get a bonus round or a decent win. I say this becuase I had not to long ago had some sessions with the same group. And I started counting spins, when I went 400 spins without a bonus round I contacted support to see if I was correct, this was my reply:

    So you have received 400 spins with no bonus....

    (Now mind you, 56 spins prior to that I did hit a bonus round, 6 spins at 1.25 a spin and I won a whole 1.08.)

    Now, prior to that I had played at a sister site a different game, and again 247 spins and no bonus round. I again contacted support and they confirmed it was 247 spins.

    Now prior to that deposit, I played at another sister site, and again 312 spins, no bonus round. I again contacted support and I must have miss counted because they told me it was 334 spins.

    After the deal with the 400 spins, no bonus round, I knew things were going down the toilet and that is when I said I would not deposit like I used to. When I made the deposit at ClubWorld, it was only because my mother was here and she wanted to play. I am glad we were able to cash out, but when she leaves, I will not deposit anywhere. It is getting harder and harder to cash out. I really have a hard time believing that the casinos have not changed the RTP. I was even told by the casino where I had 400 spins and no bonus round, that it was hit by other players 15 times during my play time. I am happy someone hit them, but to be quite frank, I don't give a rats ass, because I spun those reels 400 times and didn't.

    I will save my money to go Vegas or Atlantic city. It just isn't worth it anymore. Even the accredited casinos are getting more and more complaints. That to me is another warning sign things are changing for the worst.

    I am sure I will get the replies as to why the hell I would stay on a slot for so long, I have my reasons. That is all anyone has to know. But I am going to Vegas tomorrow and I am sure will have a wonderful time like I usually do, but atleast there I have the option of playing so many different games, no freakin' terms and conditions that can be changed at any time without my knowledge, and no run arounds when I want to cash out.

    Happy New Years everyone, catch up with all of you when I get back.

    All the best,
    LH
     
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  20. Dec 28, 2010
  21. taysh075

    taysh075 Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    Work in mental health
    Location:
    New Zealand

    I can't really speak for "back in the 90s" as I've only really been gambling online the last 18 months or so. I learned fairly quickly that there are some really rogue sites out there, not only in terms on not paying out, but also in returns when playing. Since finding this site I only play at a small number of accredited sites. My most common deposits going to 32red. I have (like everyone) had losing streaks but I've also had some wins (both small and decent - well for me :D). I guess that from these accredited sites I haven't noted too much difference over the year at 32red. I will admit that I feel the slots at clubworld have become much much tighter but figured that was a sign of the times.

    Although I agree that some casinos have become tighter and even greedy :(, there is a difference between them doing this and being rogue. Rogue to me means no warnings, treating players unfairly with sudden percentage changes, cheating (e.g., the software is rigged unfairly), refusing payouts for ridiculous reasons, no customer support etc. Tight machines are simply tight machines and if I found a site too tight after a period of time I would simply choose not to play there. An example of this is 3dice. I very often do not win there. I find their machines tight but I choose to play there for the occasional small win, hope that I will win, and feeling that they are a genuine site who will treat me (the customer) with respect. I know that if I do win, I will get my money and quickly. However wins for me there are far and few between. I know that the slots are tight there but choose to play. Should we call them rogue or simply high variance casino site????
     
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  22. Dec 28, 2010
  23. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    Variance: another term used and bandied about to calm the players fears of changes happening and keep them playing , changes that are NOT the NORM...yes.....a word that means what it means...and used arbitrarirly when nothing else can be explained...just another word...

    VARIANCE
    Pronunciation (US):

    Dictionary entry overview: What does variance mean?

    • VARIANCE (noun)
    The noun VARIANCE has 7 senses:

    1. an event that departs from expectations
    2. discord that splits a group
    3. the second moment around the mean; the expected value of the square of the deviations of a random variable from its mean value
    4. a difference between conflicting facts or claims or opinions5. the quality of being subject to variation
    6. an official dispensation to act contrary to a rule or regulation (typically a building regulation)
    7. an activity that varies from a norm or standard

    So, when one one sees the word "variance" bandied about, then one must take notice and agree with #'s 1,4, and 7...What is happening is NOT the NORM...hence the use of variance....it actually is being thrown about and used just as I have said it in plain English...IMO...but it is being used wrong because it is being used once again to try and "explain" away the huge shift in what is happening....JMO..

    As to when a casino is rogue...
    Well, when a casino meets how many criteria can you call them rogue? You stated sudden percentage changes...this has happened...changing T&C's without warnings...there are a few other oddities happening behind the scenes we are not privvy to AS OF YET but they are there and happening...so...can we say that many casinos are on the brink of rogueness??? It is a fine line ...and it seems many good ones have teetered over that line somewhat...IMO..

    Last year when we had numerous new RTG's and Rivals popping up all over...I warned many to be careful because as it was too good to be true that so many were becoming "accredited" or "baptism by fire" and they ended up falling off the face of the earth. Have we forgotten this fiasco...already?? Many were fooled by these upstarts...and lost monies when the doors closed unexpectedly...so...where do they fall ? Rogue, somewhat rogue? That is the point I am trying to show...all casinos are on the cusp of this...it only takes one good shove anymore and they are there..just as the original poster said..IMO...



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  24. Dec 28, 2010
  25. blacklabrador

    blacklabrador Banned User - chargebacks - multiple banned forum

    Occupation:
    sales
    Location:
    Ohio
    As someone stated earlier, are u going to quit gambling then? I would certainly hope so because if i thought my casinos that i play on were bogus, I woulda quit long ago.
     
  26. Dec 28, 2010
  27. HadEnouth

    HadEnouth Dormant account

    Occupation:
    dont work
    Location:
    England
    I going to to quit at most casinos i play at and stick to one only, Maybe i am spreading my money out too much. I really do hope I am wrong about these casinos. I dont give up easy :)

    Ladbrokes seems a good choice to stick with.
     

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