Is it Trust or is it a Popularity contest? Affiliates vs Straight up

[BingoT]

I like to ask everyone what makes your mind up on joining any gaming site.
Affiliates vs Straight up with the gaming site?
Because why I ask this is because I have many that joined things I have that are from other forums telling me to never say a word about them.

Is it Trust or is it a Popularity contest?
And I have worked with many people to get issues resolved by some of the Bingo/Casinos privately through IM or Email support without talking trash about them in anyplace and all issues were all worked out just fine.
The only one's I have had trouble with were the one's that the player had multiple accts with them.and this is the most talked about that I ran into.
In the most part I only ran into one issue that I didn't get paid for awhile was from someone that worked with Bingosuite and that was paid after a short battle because someone that is well known gave this person a new job and that person said that for the best interest is to get me paid off and let it be.
I do not tell the names of anyone because it's not me.
We all have to work together and things all work out in the end.

Thank You
B-T (Tom)

 

[brianzz]

Anytime I ever see a promotion banner or post or something for a casino I type the name of the casino into the browser directly completely by-passing the affiliate system. I feel like why should I make money for someone for me losing and all they had to do was lay on their ass and post a banner?

 

[Mark]

Anytime I ever see a promotion banner or post or something for a casino I type the name of the casino into the browser directly completely by-passing the affiliate system. I feel like why should I make money for someone for me losing and all they had to do was lay on their ass and post a banner?

Hmm I am sure there are a lot of affiliates who put a lot of time and effort in who would disagree.

 

[Seaman63]

Anytime I ever see a promotion banner or post or something for a casino I type the name of the casino into the browser directly completely by-passing the affiliate system. I feel like why should I make money for someone for me losing and all they had to do was lay on their ass and post a banner?

Well brianzz, actually I think us affiliates do much more than laying on their asses, we are part of the industry and a huge control mechanism. Our feed back is important for the casinos marketing and without affiliates you would not find any control about honesty and rogueness.

I guess, you would not have found a place to post your opinion either without affiliates.

 

[LaurieJim]

Anytime I ever see a promotion banner or post or something for a casino I type the name of the casino into the browser directly completely by-passing the affiliate system. I feel like why should I make money for someone for me losing and all they had to do was lay on their ass and post a banner?

Hmm I am sure there are a lot of affiliates who put a lot of time and effort in who would disagree.

Well brianzz, actually I think us affiliates do much more than laying on their asses, we are part of the industry and a huge control mechanism. Our feed back is important for the casinos marketing and without affiliates you would not find any control about honesty and rogueness.

I guess, you would not have found a place to post your opinion either without affiliates.

..............i can understand the point brian is trying to make as well as yours mark and seamans , a player sometimes doesnt understand all the going ons an affiliate has to go thru , promoting good sights, hoping the casino site he/she promotes pays, but you do get paid off of what others deposit.....right? or maybe i myself need a little help in understanding affiliate class 101............laurie

 

[KasinoKing]

Anytime I ever see a promotion banner or post or something for a casino I type the name of the casino into the browser directly completely by-passing the affiliate system. I feel like why should I make money for someone for me losing and all they had to do was lay on their ass and post a banner?

I am exactly the opposite. When I first discovered CasinoMeister I had no idea what an affiliate even was. When I found out I always joined any new casino via his link (if he has one) to show my appreciation of all the work & effort he's put in to making this the best casino forum on the net.
If Bryan is not promoting a place I want to join, I try to join through other affiliates who post here. In fact I signed up to two Rivals via Bingo T's links - and this was after I became an affiliate myself!

As for sitting on our asses... well I don't know about others, but I personally have spent just about every spare minute of every day for 2 years trying to make my site as informative & helpful as possible. I try to give all the accurate bonus information players need, and guide them in my methods which have allowed me to make regular profits from online casinos for 7 straight years. It sure ain't no banner farm! If people like what they see they can click my links... or not. There's nothing we affiliates can do to MAKE people click our links - they are totally free to make their own minds up.
After all's said & done though, I still see myself as a player first, affiliate second. My sites were started just as part-time hobbies really.

 

[BingoT]

Thanks KK
When are you going to start playing j/k
I love ya man your great people.
I always look at it this way too any affiliate should fight tooth & nail for any player.and I think all affiliates should offer some type of incentive for the player also and i'm not talking stupid contests because they all come from the site and not out of the affiliates pocket if you know what I mean.
Like at one point the only crazy thing I ever talked about as in a contest was for slotocash but I never pushed it because I really don't like running a contest so people can join.
And I also say if anyone joins a place from a affiliate link this is to me Insurance for them if they need a helping hand with anything as a player if the player runs into any type of trouble they may have with anyplace.
I also have to say alot of affiliates do this under pure Greed and nothing more.
It's my two cents worth.
Thanks

 

[Jasminebed]

Affiliate Loyalty

Not all affiliates are created equal. It was actually KK who took time out of his busy life to answer some of my questions, and led to my participation on Meister. I get spam from affiliates all the time, and anyone who promotes any of the rogued sites would not get my signup even at a reputable site!

I made a point of using his site to sign-up for a couple of casinos, and also Casino Meister for all the information I have obtained here.

I've visited a lot of members' pages, and I can see the hard work that many affiliates put in.

But I must admit that my most recent signup at 3Dice was right from their page. I felt a twinge of guilt at first, and even more so now!

But if there is someone you help out, I don't think it is out of line to ask that they click your banners to show their loyalty. Many people may not be aware that you receive compensation via this method. Affiliates that go to bat for their clients will generate loyalty. It's not just about "popularity".

But Bingo, if I ever wanna ride the bingo bus to Foxwoods or Moheican Sun, I'll be sure to PM you. I love your jokes, and my B&M visits are by bus. A good tour operator can make a trip that you lose your money at.

 

[BingoT]

Bingo, if I ever wanna ride the bingo bus to Foxwoods or Moheican Sun, I'll be sure to PM you. I love your jokes, and my B&M visits are by bus. A good tour operator can make a trip that you lose your money at.

And i'll take good care of ya too.or anyone for that matter.
Let me know when your in town.
Thanks

 

[aminair]

There's nothing we affiliates can do to MAKE people click our links - they are totally free to make their own minds up.

Then why don't you place a remark or statement under or next to the banner/link clearly stating that you will gain a lifetime commission on all losses incurred by the player should they click on your banner/link to the casino?

Not every player realises that they are giving you a commission. I don't see that as being fair - do you?

They should have the whole affiliate thing explained clearly to them, therefore letting the player decide if you the affiliate have done a job good enough to warrant a click.

 

[Chipeez]

Then why don't you place a remark or statement under or next to the banner/link clearly stating that you will gain a lifetime commission on all losses

Well, although I think that your comment is a bit stange, I think I see where you're comming from..

But don't forget that an affiliate also will loose if the player wins, and if one player hits big I don't get any income for that month (and some programs even for more if the negative is carried over)

Also I think there is a huge difference between affiliates.. Really affiliates that send spam or only offer a bannerfarm don't deserve any profit and a lot of genuine affiliates try to get those spammy affiliates blocked by the casino programms aswell..

Besides this, being an affiliate is more then just having banners up and builing a casino site. Players who sign up through my pages can always email me for assistance or help with issues at the casino they found through my site.

The commission that I earn is just another way to get paid for my work, although a bit more risky since my income isn't garanteed every month.

 

[The Dude]

I can understand brianzz's approach - not wanting an affiliate to "reap" the benefit of his losses.

But one thing to bear in mind, if you sign up via an affiliate link, the casino makes less money when you lose

 

[Matthew23]

I've always wondered..... When you have a query you email the casino with your question and account number. When they look into your account does it show which site you were refered by?

Lets say I email Inetbet. On review of my account they see I signed up via casinomeister. Would this make them do a better job with answering my email? Since they know answering poorly or inaccurately might result in the email being posted here on casinomeister.


Also does joining from an affiliate link effect how willing a casino might be to hold onto a player? since they are not making as much money maybe they will not be as willing to send out freebies to try and keep you.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi i see alot off talk by you affiliates, but know ones talking numbers and as a gambler thats what attracts me, so i sign through one off your banners and lose $100 at this casino how much moolah do you peeps get paid?

I should add that i dont have a problem with signing up from a banner there is no charge at my end.

But if you affiliates dont answer my question i will have to think again.

Blackmail gets it done every time.

Also when it comes down to no deposit bonus most off the time you have to use the affiliate link which is a plus for myself.

 

[zuga]

Hi i see alot off talk by you affiliates, but know ones talking numbers and as a gambler thats what attracts me, so i sign through one off your banners and lose $100 at this casino how much moolah do you peeps get paid?

I should add that i dont have a problem with signing up from a banner there is no charge at my end.

But if you affiliates dont answer my question i will have to think again.

Blackmail gets it done every time.

Also when it comes down to no deposit bonus most off the time you have to use the affiliate link which is a plus for myself.

It depends...you have CPA or revenue share deals.For CPA( cost per action) an affiliate gets paid from casino only the 1st time you make deposit and play/gamble( no matter you lose or win)...As of revenue share its totally different story..once you sign up using banner,an affiliate owns you for ever, meaning he ll get certain % every time you play and lose, for the rest of your playing days at that casino...rev. share commission is usually around 30% ,sometimes is less, but sometimes can go up to 45%....it depends on how big affiliate you are,and how good casinos commission are..

 

[KasinoKing]

But if you affiliates dont answer my question i will have to think again.

Blackmail gets it done every time.

As Zuga said, it varies quite a lot from place to place. But 30% average is a bit high. Most are around 25 - 27%. Mine range from 15% up to 35% max.
If you want to find out how much it is at a particular casino, it's no secret - just click on the 'affiliates' or 'webmasters' link on their homepage & look in the T&C's.
Some things to remember, despite what many seem to think round here, nothing is earned from bonus chip losses and many players do win as well as lose. I am a case in point myself!

 

[BingoT]

It all depends it starts at 20 to 50 percent but overall I say they are most at 35% I never looked hard on this.The only one I seen because it's big numbers is Pantasia online affiliates and the 35% sticks out.

It's like what Bryan said

But one thing to bear in mind, if you sign up via an affiliate link, the casino makes less money when you lose

To me I rather see someone myself get something than the casino to get the money.I am not in this as a living either and most know what I do best and the only time I talk about this is around Christmas time and Thanksgiving. or if I did something out of the clear blue for someone I am happy to talk about it.
I know allot of the players and even met afew in person.I have players that don't want me to know who they are also.and they all know what I will do for them but never asked me for a dime back.
I want to say Thank You all for all the feedback on this and I didn't know this would be a Hot topic.Anyone can go to any site and go to the affiliate area to check it all out it's no big secret.

 

[brianzz]

All this may be true, but we all know that 99% of affiliates are just out to make a quick buck, spam forums and send tons of unsolicitied emails.

 

[bb28]

All this may be true, but we all know that 99% of affiliates are just out to make a quick buck, spam forums and send tons of unsolicitied emails.

99%...... oh come on. You have something to back that figure up?

Sounds like you are just trying to bait an affiliate with that statement.

 

[BingoT]

All this may be true, but we all know that 99% of affiliates are just out to make a quick buck, spam forums and send tons of unsolicitied emails.

On this note I have to say this.
I don't send any mail out to NO ONE because I don't want this in my mailbox too.
I only use forums that have a place for my stuff so how can you say that.
If the forum has a place for Spam you tell me it's not ok to post?
To me if the places offers a place for me It's Not Spamming.
And if you don't want this stuff on your site get rid of that area.
I do agree with you on the "Out To Make A Buck" for some because it is Pure Greed to some affiliates.
I'm Far from doing this under Greed.
I say that 99% is way to high.I would put that in the 45% range.

 

[Roar]

Then why don't you place a remark or statement under or next to the banner/link clearly stating that you will gain a lifetime commission on all losses incurred by the player should they click on your banner/link to the casino?

Not every player realises that they are giving you a commission. I don't see that as being fair - do you?

They should have the whole affiliate thing explained clearly to them, therefore letting the player decide if you the affiliate have done a job good enough to warrant a click.

Transparency and disclosure from all those hard working affiliates? Cum cum now I think we are living in dreamland.

I think the day is coming whereby the affiliate will be held properly accountable for his/her recommendations. The affiliate stands to gain (not lose) from a commercial transaction to which he/she is very much a integral party.

Shudder the thought affiliates will be actually sued for recommending widely reputed rogue organizations such as Fortune Lounge.

The day when affiliates are actually made accountable will be the day all those Fortune Lounge banners will be whisked away into the casino twilight land.

In the meantime we won't be seeing any affiliate commission making disclosure statements. Don't want to frighten the horses do we.

 

[Roar]

But don't forget that an affiliate also will loose if the player wins, and if one player hits big I don't get any income for that month (and some programs even for more if the negative is carried over)

......... Players who sign up through my pages can always email me for assistance or help with issues at the casino they found through my site.

The commission that I earn is just another way to get paid for my work, although a bit more risky since my income isn't garanteed every month.

How do you "loose" (sic) when the player wins? How much do you lose?

I think you being a little loose with the truth, don't you think?

If a player loses money from a fraudulent casino action as a result of your recommendation why would you not as a matter of principle, if not legal obligation, compensate him for such loss? Why not offer a Player Guarantee at all casinos you recommend insuring at least their deposit money back?

It wouldn't cross your mind because YOU don't trust the casinos with YOUR money. Your precious money would be at too much risk from YOUR recommendations.

It's okay for the player to risk his dough but hell let's not risk any affiliate money.

What I see on this Forum is a bunch of spineless weak affiliate back scratchers willing to sing any casino song on cue.

Rant cut short - foaming at the mouth at some of the utter affiliate sobbing crap - "my income isn't garanteed every month" oh for God's sake!

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[aminair]

Rant cut short - foaming at the mouth at some of the utter affiliate sobbing crap - "my income isn't guaranteed every month" oh for God's sake!

My heart bleeds for them - lol.

It would also be nice if you could visit Casinomeister without one of those damned banners popping up at the top of every page. So cheap and tacky!!

Fully registered members should be able to browse banner free, or is this too much to ask from the web's only casino player advocate?

 

[jas2587]

My heart bleeds for them - lol.

It would also be nice if you could visit Casinomeister without one of those damned banners popping up at the top of every page. So cheap and tacky!!

Fully registered members should be able to browse banner free, or is this too much to ask from the web's only casino player advocate?

you dont like the banners go elseware
they are very mild here compared to some that have 100's

this is Casinomeister house so to say'
May he damn well do as he please's
this site has a class look to me
I could point ya in some tacky directions
but I won't advertise for them


Thanks Casinomeister for allowing myself to come into your house
of casino info

Cindy

 

[bb28]

I agree with Jas......if you really detest it that much, why bother coming here?

My heart bleeds for them - lol.

It would also be nice if you could visit Casinomeister without one of those damned banners popping up at the top of every page. So cheap and tacky!!

Fully registered members should be able to browse banner free, or is this too much to ask from the web's only casino player advocate?

 

[Chipeez]

How do you "loose" (sic) when the player wins? How much do you lose?

I think you being a little loose with the truth, don't you think?

If the casino wins I get 25% of that win if the player wins I'm also in for 25%. Perhaps I used the wrong word, because of course I don't have to pay the casino. But this will be deducted from my earnings.

If a player loses money from a fraudulent casino action as a result of your recommendation why would you not as a matter of principle, if not legal obligation, compensate him for such loss? Why not offer a Player Guarantee at all casinos you recommend insuring at least their deposit money back?

It wouldn't cross your mind because YOU don't trust the casinos with YOUR money. Your precious money would be at too much risk from YOUR recommendations.

It's okay for the player to risk his dough but hell let's not risk any affiliate money.

I'm not sure what you mean with the "player guarantee, insuring at least their deposit back" because that would mean I never make any money and that would be a strange business plan..

I don't want to talk for other affiliates, but I play at all casinos I promote myself. Also I have regular contact with the affiliate mangagers from these casinos, making sure that if there is a problem I'm able to help getting it solved.

What I see on this Forum is a bunch of spineless weak affiliate back scratchers willing to sing any casino song on cue.

Rant cut short - foaming at the mouth at some of the utter affiliate sobbing crap - "my income isn't garanteed every month" oh for God's sake!

This topic was about signing up through an affiliate or directly at the casino. I just gave my opinion being an affiliate. Feel free to have your own opinion or rant whatever you want.

If you don't approve what I write, that's fine with me. If you don't like affiliates, don't sign up through an affiliate link. You are free to do whatever you want..

I started in this business because I thought it was a good business where I was able to make a solid income. I pay my taxes and keep my books in order.

I'm sure you have a great job aswell and you are proud of what you do.


.

 

[bb28]

Oh please......you come here with 2 rep points and you insult everyone on this forum spewing your garbage about how all affiliates are evil.
On a sensible note.....there are good affiliates and bad ones, it's not fair to lump them all together and I would say that most of the affiliates that visit this forum on a regular basis are on the up and up. You fail to notice that the regulars and long timers here are quite a bit more savvy about gambling in general than your average joe blow who just clicks any banner and deposits. Yes.......some of us learned the hard way but at least we now have educated ourselves and know better.

So why don't you take your silly rant elsewhere.

 

[bb28]

If you don't like affiliates, don't sign up through an affiliate link. You are free to do whatever you want..


.

Excellent point!!

 

[lauram]

Ive joined a few casinos through some of the forums people bingo and kk and
blues. Now here is my question when i use your link here and download the casino and join how does the casino know i went through from your website at times when you get into the site from your websites i have to click few more times to get to download if it didnt work. I look at it this way if you do sign up from one of them here at least you have another voice in a issue for you.
And if you make your deposit and loose at least then you know the casino isnt only one getting your money someone else did.
Now what banners are you on about the lil one thats at top of page i dont even notice it anymore till you pointed it out. Ive been to a lot of sites and some of those pop up banners never stop. I like the banners at times they have some good bonuses with them

 

[BingoT]

OMG If I knew how this was going to go I would of never started it.
To some people I guess all affiliates are all trash people to them.
Sorry CM for this.
I have to say most that come here are very good affiliates 97% and that 3% are out for blood.
This is why I don't get invoked with allot of talk here because it gets ripped apart and Your Better than me and I'm better than you thing.or you steal from me I steal from you.

 

[lauram]

Dont feel that way bingo or kk or blue. Dont let few people bother you with their remarks. I like the affiliates and im sure many of us on here will say the same.
Example look at my prob with giant p casino blue went right out of his way to help me as i went through his site to get in there. If it was i on my own trying to
get any info from them i would be where i am now still nothing not even a email back from them. So yes i support going through affiliates i look in the forums group here to go at least you know they will help you or answer questions if need be. And im sure there are some out for fast cash but in this world a lot of people are if so be in this area or any other area dealing with cash.

 

[lots0]

Originally Posted by aminair
Then why don't you place a remark or statement under or next to the banner/link clearly stating that you will gain a lifetime commission on all losses incurred by the player should they click on your banner/link to the casino?

Why doesn't the car sales man wear a sign that says I'm going to make money if you buy a car from me? Or your insurance sales person... Or the clerk in the clothing store... Or the guy you just bought a computer from???

 

[The Dude]

Admin note

I just want to throw in a little warning that slamming players or affiliates will not be tolerated in this thread. Please check your personal agendas at the door.

The majority of the members here would like to see an intelligent conversation evolve from this - not one that is laden with abusive and/or ignorant comments.

Thank you for your understanding.

 

[Simmo!]

I'd say its about value. When I started out as a player, if I used a site regularly and got some value from it, and he/she happened to be an affiliate then I'd be only too happy to click through. If it's a naff site, didn't really tell me anything, or was clearly a "quick buck" site then I tended not to.

Pretty much every retailer on the web you go to these days, unless you go direct, is through an affiliate link. I use Trip Advisor and SideStep a lot and I'm only to happy to click their links because they provide a great service for me, and by clicking them I help sustain what they are doing.

Casinomeister has affiliate links, and if you get value from the site or forum then it's fair to click the links. Keeps it going. Too many people want something for nothing. And that includes a lot of affiliates. It's like that whole Microsoft-bashing thing that goes on...without them, many of us wouldn't be here now.


Affiliating has low barriers of entry and consequently for every affiliate who does a good job, you get a load who don't. That's life...and it's not just in this industry.

Support the sites who give you something useful, bypass those who don't. That's what I reckon.

 

[Jasminebed]

I'm not going to quote everyone that has contributed here, but why shouldn't the affiliate have a piece of that Casino pie? It's not like I have a higher payback percentage going straight to the site.

And my most regular deposits are at a site that I joined a before finding CM. I get paid, & the spammy affiliate I signed up through gets $$$ & keeps sending me spam. NEVER again through him/her. I signed up at some sleazy sites too, and since I usually lose, did not notice any difference.

I originally started coming to CM because I had hopes of becoming a Casino Affiliate, and as far as I am concerned any affiliate worth his/her salt gambles too. How else can you vouch for the integrity of your product?

I've decided the focus of my site should be food/cookware, with just a couple of sites I have personal experience at. Everybody's gotta eat. Good buffet is one of the perks of land based casinos. And yes, I will get a kickback for real cdn maple syrup & smoked sockeye salmon.

 

[PurpleZelda]

Affiliates are hugely valuable to the casino and poker community and I am not just talking valuable to the casinos themselves. A good affiliate (and there are a lots of exceptional affiliates out there) can be of great benefit to their players.

Good affiliates have excellent relationships with their players and work hard to research the best sights and organise the best deals as well as generally looking out for their players. It is after all in their interest to help keep their players happy. Most affiliates usually organise exclusive promotions for their players, i.e. not just the general promotions you find directly through a casino or poker room.

Not only that, some have very respectable forums such as the excellent Casinomeister. If a player posts that they are having problems at a casino or a poker room the affiliate will usually report it and see what they can do to help the player, as in the Meisters case.

Dont underestimate what they can or have done for you - the relationship between affiliate and player can be profitable for both parties.

It is obviously up to the player whether or not they choose to go through an affiliate link, but it is usually pretty obvious what kind of a service an affiliate might be able to offer you from the standard of their sight and the information available.

 

[The Dude]

As a player, I always click through one of the webmaster's I know aff links. If I lose - he wins; if I win, I buy him/her dinner the next time we meet

Some members think that webmasters just sit around on their asses all day - well it's true. I don't know of a single webmaster who stands all day. We're all sitting - sitting on our asses.

What a job

The thing is, players have a bit of insurance when clicking through a webmaster's link. If the player has a problem, then it is crucial that the player contact the webmaster and make him toe the line. Hold him/her responsible to what he's representing.

If players can't identify who/what is behind a website - move on. There is no reason to patronize a nameless bannerfarm - and the less the better.

The advertising here pays for the upkeep of the site. It pays for Max, Cooky, and other hired help. It pays for the software I gotta buy, pays for the server, the computers and other hardware, pays my hotel bills and plane flights to conferences.

And of course it puts food on the table and shoes on my kids' feet. Reading this thread - it seems like some people think its wrong to earn a living.

Of course, for those members who choose not to patronize any of the casinos listed here. That's fine - that's your prerogative. Max and I will even open our arms for your PABs when you get screwed by xyzcasino. What a deal

 

[Simmo!]

if I win, I buy him/her dinner the next time we meet

You do? You must owe me about a stone of fat then

 

[bonustreak]

Some members think that webmasters just sit around on their asses all day - well it's true. I don't know of a single webmaster who stands all day. We're all sitting - sitting on our asses.

I know that when a player of mine has a problem I will do everything in my power to help them in any way that I can, and I have done this for players that have not downloaded from my banner as well. There are going to be bad apples in every bunch, you just can't judge the whole batch by those few bad apples.

 

[SlotsWizard]

The biggest source of confusion seems to be the fallacious notion "If I sign up through an affiliate, I'm getting screwed". It doesn't matter whether you sign up directly or through an affiliate; your chances of winning or losing are the same.

People who bash webmasters likely have no concept of the significant amounts of time, energy, and often money, that needs to be invested into a site before it can become a success.

 

[BingoT]

I know that when a player of mine has a problem I will do everything in my power to help them in any way that I can, and I have done this for players that have not downloaded from my banner as well. There are going to be bad apples in every bunch, you just can't judge the whole batch by those few bad apples.

I agree
This is my everyday life's saying.
"People Helping People"
You will always find a bad apple where ever you go.
In my real life job I have CNA's tell me how to administer needles and how to flush a feeding tube and so on.
They think they are doctors

 

[brianzz]

The majority of the members here would like to see an intelligent conversation evolve from this - not one that is laden with abusive and/or ignorant comments.

Speak for yourself, I come here for the smart ass comments

 

[BingoT]

To end what I asked for I just think all peoples that are affiliates should give 101% And More to all players.
I just think it all comes down to Greed if No One what's to help anyone.on any issues they may have.

I just like to say Thank You all for all the great feed back on this and all that got Involved with this thread.
I hope I did'nt miss anyone
Thank You Again
B-T (Tom)

CasinoMeister

KasinoKing

Chipeez

Simmo

PurpleZelda = Gaming Industry Representative

Bonustreak

Brianzz

Mark

Seaman63

Lauriejim

Jasminebed

Aminair

Matthew23

LOOKAWAYORELSE

Zuga

Bb28

Roar

Jas2587

Lauram

Lots0

SlotsWizard

 

[dominique]

Well, I am back from my hiatus and first thing I see is this thread.

Full of my pet peeves.

So, I am going to have to speak up. I think I posted some of this before in the past, but I want to say it here again.

Treat your clicks as votes.

If you like the information you find on the site, if you think the webmaster has worked many hours to get it all gathered up for you in one spot, if you want the site to be there next time you are looking for info, click on the link.

That click helps keep the site around for you and next time you want to know something, it will be there.

Conversely, if you think the site is crap and no effort went into it and the info is useless and the casinos are rogue etc, just don't click. No clicks and the site will die.

So you have the power to weed out the sites based on what you believe is quality.

Now, some affiliates have pull with the casinos and can help you get things fixed. Others just don't have the ear of the casinos. And that, too, is directly related to the number of clicks they get.

A good affiliate keeps current with everything happening in the industry and adjusts their site accordingly. That includes removing rogues etc.

A good affiliate also won't carry places where s/he has no pull to back up their players. When I add a casino to my site, my first criteria is: How available is the casino to me if I have an issue? If a player has an issue, I have an issue, because it reflects on my site.

If I cannot step in to solve the issue because the casino could care less about what I have to say, then this casino won't be listed regardless of whether it is rogue anyplace else or not.

The thought that an affiliate is beholden to any one casino is invalid, as far as income goes, there are so many casinos to pick from that they are totally disposable to a good affiliate. A red flag should go up in your head when you find a site that lists only sister casinos fom one group, this affiliate has to be dependent on them to get paid for his/her time.

The point of using an affiliate site is that they should do leg work for you and you never pay them. All you do is vote on the quality of work they do. The bad ones will just disappear that way.

Why have affiliates at all? Almost all the info online comes from affiliates of one type or another. If you pulled all of them off the web tomorrow, you would spend hours and hours finding out stuff you have been taking for granted to be able to find at the snap of a finger.

Affiliates with pull are your strongest protection. Casinos are aware that the endorsement of a good affiliate site is vital to them.

All of this service doesn't cost you a nickel. And it's up to you to vote for the good ones and let the bad ones fall by the wayside. The only reason some bad sites stay online (and as a rule they don't, they come and go in rapid succession) or good ones fold is because people don't understand the power of their vote.

And as far as affiliates go - if you are diligent in how you pick casinos to list, player complaints will be far and between and you will get a good reputation and people will come back to you again and again for info. If you are getting a lot of player complaints, you are doing something wrong in the first place.

Ok, I just had to comment on this. It keeps coming up, and I just want to make sure players are aware that they are the ones who are in control. Click on a spam mail and you are voting for spam. Click on a crappy site and you are voting for irresponsible webmasters.

Use your votes wisely, starve bad sites out and keep valuable resources online. Ultimately it's you who decides what is available online.

 

[LaurieJim]

Well, I am back from my hiatus and first thing I see is this thread.

Full of my pet peeves.

So, I am going to have to speak up. I think I posted some of this before in the past, but I want to say it here again.

Treat your clicks as votes.

If you like the information you find on the site, if you think the webmaster has worked many hours to get it all gathered up for you in one spot, if you want the site to be there next time you are looking for info, click on the link.

That click helps keep the site around for you and next time you want to know something, it will be there.

Conversely, if you think the site is crap and no effort went into it and the info is useless and the casinos are rogue etc, just don't click. No clicks and the site will die.

So you have the power to weed out the sites based on what you believe is quality.

Now, some affiliates have pull with the casinos and can help you get things fixed. Others just don't have the ear of the casinos. And that, too, is directly related to the number of clicks they get.

A good affiliate keeps current with everything happening in the industry and adjusts their site accordingly. That includes removing rogues etc.

A good affiliate also won't carry places where s/he has no pull to back up their players. When I add a casino to my site, my first criteria is: How available is the casino to me if I have an issue? If a player has an issue, I have an issue, because it reflects on my site.

If I cannot step in to solve the issue because the casino could care less about what I have to say, then this casino won't be listed regardless of whether it is rogue anyplace else or not.

The thought that an affiliate is beholden to any one casino is invalid, as far as income goes, there are so many casinos to pick from that they are totally disposable to a good affiliate. A red flag should go up in your head when you find a site that lists only sister casinos fom one group, this affiliate has to be dependent on them to get paid for his/her time.

The point of using an affiliate site is that they should do leg work for you and you never pay them. All you do is vote on the quality of work they do. The bad ones will just disappear that way.

Why have affiliates at all? Almost all the info online comes from affiliates of one type or another. If you pulled all of them off the web tomorrow, you would spend hours and hours finding out stuff you have been taking for granted to be able to find at the snap of a finger.

Affiliates with pull are your strongest protection. Casinos are aware that the endorsement of a good affiliate site is vital to them.

All of this service doesn't cost you a nickel. And it's up to you to vote for the good ones and let the bad ones fall by the wayside. The only reason some bad sites stay online (and as a rule they don't, they come and go in rapid succession) or good ones fold is because people don't understand the power of their vote.

And as far as affiliates go - if you are diligent in how you pick casinos to list, player complaints will be far and between and you will get a good reputation and people will come back to you again and again for info. If you are getting a lot of player complaints, you are doing something wrong in the first place.

Ok, I just had to comment on this. It keeps coming up, and I just want to make sure players are aware that they are the ones who are in control. Click on a spam mail and you are voting for spam. Click on a crappy site and you are voting for irresponsible webmasters.

Use your votes wisely, starve bad sites out and keep valuable resources online. Ultimately it's you who decides what is available online.

...........how can you tell the good ones from the bad, i know the good ones here on the forum but what about all those weird emails i get from affiliates? i did join 777 dragon from casinomeisters link, and lost some money, will he get something from my losses? i hope so, atleast someone will get something, just not the casino...................laurie

 

[The Dude]

...and I just want to make sure players are aware that they are the ones who are in control. Click on a spam mail and you are voting for spam. Click on a crappy site and you are voting for irresponsible webmasters.

That's it in a nutshell.

 

[lauram]

If you dont like going through affiliates then simple dont use them. But for me at least if there is a major problem and i see one coming my way soon lil early to tell yet, this makes it a lot easier to deal with instead of just using the boards here that are great you also have another person voice that can get a answer to you within a day or two. I find without these great people that day or 2 would take weeks or 2 or you just give up finding anything out at all. And just like if you go into stores or buying a car yes they get a cut from what they promote or sell so why should it be any dif with the casinos. Private people bring in clients and they are also there to help those clients they bring in.
To 99% of the affiliates out there keep up the great job.

 

[BingoT]

And Thank You also Dominique for your input.
I have the most trust in you in all my time online anyone can ever have.and You are always at a beckon call if anyone ever needs any help.and this goes with CM also.This is why I stick around here even if Bryan says I'm 12 lol
I don't care how great one can have a great looking site.You have many that are in it for one thing.and also if you go to many forums you will find that this one talks bad about this one and that one talks about that one.and so on.It's just a shame that this goes on from people that have great places.Money is the root of all evil.
The bottom line is who you can trust in the end of all this counts.

 

[dominique]

...........how can you tell the good ones from the bad, i know the good ones here on the forum but what about all those weird emails i get from affiliates? i did join 777 dragon from casinomeisters link, and lost some money, will he get something from my losses? i hope so, atleast someone will get something, just not the casino...................laurie

Weird emails? You mean spam? If you didn't sign up on purpose to get it, please don't click on it. These spammers have no conscience. They will promote anything at all and never back anything up. They are scum. I hate spammers. If you subscribe to a newsletter though, then that's ok.

Telling the good from the bad - does the site give you information you would have to hunt down otherwise? Are they providing a good service to you? You want them to be there tomorrow?

Bryan isn't an affiliate, he is a webmaster. He doesn't get paid for losses, he is like a magazine and takes ads. Your click helps keep the ads in place and that puts food on his plate.

Also, not all casinos pay affiliates for losses, some pay a % of deposits, others base it on wagering like the land casinos. And many of the larger sites take ads like Bryan also, it's a mix.

And you are right, when you use an affiliate link someone gets something, other than the casino.

Also, a question brought up earlier in the thread - yes, the casinos know who referred the player. And, yes, should there be a problem it very likely influences how they act.

 

[GaryWatson]

I am a fan of affiliates. Not because I am one but because I found my first site through one. It was probably spam at the time but things move on (not the spam).

I know more now. I will always sign up through an affilliate but never from a spam message.

I look at sites and content. If I like the site, its a thank you. Casinomeister has had my $10 casino money but he should feel short changed.

There are good and bad affiliates. Some are not always as obvious but if you like a website, go with the affiliate. Casino's are rich enough. They pay affiliates to help build them. Only the casino wins when you cut out the middle man. Affiliates spend a lot of time finding information to help the end user. if everyone skips the affiliate, you will not find the useful information you are accustomed to.

Go back 5 years and you will find crap websites with little or no info. Move with the times and sign up through an affiliate link as long as its not spam