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Is it Trust or is it a Popularity contest? Affiliates vs Straight up

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by BingoT, May 25, 2008.

    May 25, 2008
  1. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    I like to ask everyone what makes your mind up on joining any gaming site.
    Affiliates vs Straight up with the gaming site?
    Because why I ask this is because I have many that joined things I have that are from other forums telling me to never say a word about them.

    Is it Trust or is it a Popularity contest?
    And I have worked with many people to get issues resolved by some of the Bingo/Casinos privately through IM or Email support without talking trash about them in anyplace and all issues were all worked out just fine.
    The only one's I have had trouble with were the one's that the player had multiple accts with them.and this is the most talked about that I ran into.
    In the most part I only ran into one issue that I didn't get paid for awhile was from someone that worked with Bingosuite and that was paid after a short battle because someone that is well known gave this person a new job and that person said that for the best interest is to get me paid off and let it be.
    I do not tell the names of anyone because it's not me.
    We all have to work together and things all work out in the end.

    Thank You
    B-T (Tom)
     
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  2. May 25, 2008
  3. brianzz

    brianzz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Work
    Location:
    TN
    Anytime I ever see a promotion banner or post or something for a casino I type the name of the casino into the browser directly completely by-passing the affiliate system. I feel like why should I make money for someone for me losing and all they had to do was lay on their ass and post a banner?
     
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  4. May 25, 2008
  5. Mark

    Mark Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Internet
    Location:
    Liverpool
    Hmm I am sure there are a lot of affiliates who put a lot of time and effort in who would disagree.
     
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  6. May 25, 2008
  7. Seaman63

    Seaman63 Experienced Member PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    IT related
    Location:
    Germany
    Well brianzz, actually I think us affiliates do much more than laying on their asses, we are part of the industry and a huge control mechanism. Our feed back is important for the casinos marketing and without affiliates you would not find any control about honesty and rogueness.

    I guess, you would not have found a place to post your opinion either without affiliates.:)
     
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  8. May 25, 2008
  9. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account webmeister

    Occupation:
    Self Employed
    Location:
    In the Beautiful South !!
    ..............i can understand the point brian is trying to make as well as yours mark and seamans , a player sometimes doesnt understand all the going ons an affiliate has to go thru , promoting good sights, hoping the casino site he/she promotes pays, but you do get paid off of what others deposit.....right? or maybe i myself need a little help in understanding affiliate class 101:)............laurie
     
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  10. May 25, 2008
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I am exactly the opposite. When I first discovered CasinoMeister I had no idea what an affiliate even was. When I found out I always joined any new casino via his link (if he has one) to show my appreciation of all the work & effort he's put in to making this the best casino forum on the net.
    If Bryan is not promoting a place I want to join, I try to join through other affiliates who post here. In fact I signed up to two Rivals via Bingo T's links - and this was after I became an affiliate myself!

    As for sitting on our asses... well I don't know about others, but I personally have spent just about every spare minute of every day for 2 years trying to make my site as informative & helpful as possible. I try to give all the accurate bonus information players need, and guide them in my methods which have allowed me to make regular profits from online casinos for 7 straight years. It sure ain't no banner farm! If people like what they see they can click my links... or not. There's nothing we affiliates can do to MAKE people click our links - they are totally free to make their own minds up.
    After all's said & done though, I still see myself as a player first, affiliate second. My sites were started just as part-time hobbies really.
    ;)
     
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  12. May 25, 2008
  13. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    Thanks KK
    When are you going to start playing :lolup: j/k
    I love ya man your great people.
    I always look at it this way too any affiliate should fight tooth & nail for any player.and I think all affiliates should offer some type of incentive for the player also and i'm not talking stupid contests because they all come from the site and not out of the affiliates pocket if you know what I mean.
    Like at one point the only crazy thing I ever talked about as in a contest was for slotocash but I never pushed it because I really don't like running a contest so people can join.
    And I also say if anyone joins a place from a affiliate link this is to me Insurance for them if they need a helping hand with anything as a player if the player runs into any type of trouble they may have with anyplace.
    I also have to say alot of affiliates do this under pure Greed and nothing more.
    It's my two cents worth.
    Thanks
     
  14. May 25, 2008
  15. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

    Occupation:
    Not in workforce
    Location:
    Ontario
    Affiliate Loyalty

    Not all affiliates are created equal. It was actually KK who took time out of his busy life to answer some of my questions, and led to my participation on Meister. I get spam from affiliates all the time, and anyone who promotes any of the rogued sites would not get my signup even at a reputable site!

    I made a point of using his site to sign-up for a couple of casinos, and also Casino Meister for all the information I have obtained here.

    I've visited a lot of members' pages, and I can see the hard work that many affiliates put in.

    But I must admit that my most recent signup at 3Dice was right from their page. I felt a twinge of guilt at first, and even more so now!

    But if there is someone you help out, I don't think it is out of line to ask that they click your banners to show their loyalty. Many people may not be aware that you receive compensation via this method. Affiliates that go to bat for their clients will generate loyalty. It's not just about "popularity".

    But Bingo, if I ever wanna ride the bingo bus to Foxwoods or Moheican Sun, I'll be sure to PM you. I love your jokes, and my B&M visits are by bus. A good tour operator can make a trip that you lose your money at.:thumbsup:
     
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  16. May 25, 2008
  17. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    And i'll take good care of ya too.or anyone for that matter.
    Let me know when your in town.:thumbsup:
    Thanks
     
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  18. May 25, 2008
  19. aminair

    aminair Banned User

    Occupation:
    Librarian
    Location:
    UK
    Then why don't you place a remark or statement under or next to the banner/link clearly stating that you will gain a lifetime commission on all losses incurred by the player should they click on your banner/link to the casino?

    Not every player realises that they are giving you a commission. I don't see that as being fair - do you?

    They should have the whole affiliate thing explained clearly to them, therefore letting the player decide if you the affiliate have done a job good enough to warrant a click.
     
  20. May 25, 2008
  21. Chipeez

    Chipeez Wannabee SuperMan webmeister

    Occupation:
    Web-boss
    Location:
    Utrecht
    Well, although I think that your comment is a bit stange, I think I see where you're comming from..

    But don't forget that an affiliate also will loose if the player wins, and if one player hits big I don't get any income for that month (and some programs even for more if the negative is carried over)

    Also I think there is a huge difference between affiliates.. Really affiliates that send spam or only offer a bannerfarm don't deserve any profit and a lot of genuine affiliates try to get those spammy affiliates blocked by the casino programms aswell..

    Besides this, being an affiliate is more then just having banners up and builing a casino site. Players who sign up through my pages can always email me for assistance or help with issues at the casino they found through my site.

    The commission that I earn is just another way to get paid for my work, although a bit more risky since my income isn't garanteed every month.
     
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  22. May 26, 2008
  23. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    I can understand brianzz's approach - not wanting an affiliate to "reap" the benefit of his losses.

    But one thing to bear in mind, if you sign up via an affiliate link, the casino makes less money when you lose :D
     
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  24. May 26, 2008
  25. Matthew23

    Matthew23 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    n/a
    Location:
    Belfast, Northern Ireland
    I've always wondered..... When you have a query you email the casino with your question and account number. When they look into your account does it show which site you were refered by?

    Lets say I email Inetbet. On review of my account they see I signed up via casinomeister. Would this make them do a better job with answering my email? Since they know answering poorly or inaccurately might result in the email being posted here on casinomeister.


    Also does joining from an affiliate link effect how willing a casino might be to hold onto a player? since they are not making as much money maybe they will not be as willing to send out freebies to try and keep you.
     
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  26. May 26, 2008
  27. LOOKAWAY

    LOOKAWAY Senior Wember PABnonaccred

    Location:
    England
    Hi i see alot off talk by you affiliates, but know ones talking numbers and as a gambler thats what attracts me, so i sign through one off your banners and lose $100 at this casino how much moolah do you peeps get paid?

    I should add that i dont have a problem with signing up from a banner there is no charge at my end.

    But if you affiliates dont answer my question i will have to think again. :laugh:

    Blackmail gets it done every time. :D

    Also when it comes down to no deposit bonus most off the time you have to use the affiliate link which is a plus for myself.
     
  28. May 26, 2008
  29. zuga

    zuga Dormant account webmeister

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Belgrade, Serbia
    It depends...you have CPA or revenue share deals.For CPA( cost per action) an affiliate gets paid from casino only the 1st time you make deposit and play/gamble( no matter you lose or win)...As of revenue share its totally different story..once you sign up using banner,an affiliate owns you for ever, meaning he ll get certain % every time you play and lose, for the rest of your playing days at that casino...rev. share commission is usually around 30% ,sometimes is less, but sometimes can go up to 45%....it depends on how big affiliate you are,and how good casinos commission are..:eek:
     
  30. May 26, 2008
  31. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    :lolup:
    As Zuga said, it varies quite a lot from place to place. But 30% average is a bit high. Most are around 25 - 27%. Mine range from 15% up to 35% max.
    If you want to find out how much it is at a particular casino, it's no secret - just click on the 'affiliates' or 'webmasters' link on their homepage & look in the T&C's.
    Some things to remember, despite what many seem to think round here, nothing is earned from bonus chip losses and many players do win as well as lose. I am a case in point myself! ;)
     
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  32. May 26, 2008
  33. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    It all depends it starts at 20 to 50 percent but overall I say they are most at 35% I never looked hard on this.The only one I seen because it's big numbers is Pantasia online affiliates and the 35% sticks out.

    It's like what Bryan said
    To me I rather see someone myself get something than the casino to get the money.I am not in this as a living either and most know what I do best and the only time I talk about this is around Christmas time and Thanksgiving. or if I did something out of the clear blue for someone I am happy to talk about it.
    I know allot of the players and even met afew in person.I have players that don't want me to know who they are also.and they all know what I will do for them but never asked me for a dime back.
    I want to say Thank You all for all the feedback on this and I didn't know this would be a Hot topic.Anyone can go to any site and go to the affiliate area to check it all out it's no big secret.
     
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  34. May 26, 2008
  35. brianzz

    brianzz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Work
    Location:
    TN
    All this may be true, but we all know that 99% of affiliates are just out to make a quick buck, spam forums and send tons of unsolicitied emails.
     
  36. May 26, 2008
  37. bb28

    bb28 Meister Member

    Occupation:
    Customer Service
    Location:
    US
    99%......:eek::eek: oh come on. You have something to back that figure up?

    Sounds like you are just trying to bait an affiliate with that statement.
     
  38. May 26, 2008
  39. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    On this note I have to say this.
    I don't send any mail out to NO ONE because I don't want this in my mailbox too.
    I only use forums that have a place for my stuff so how can you say that.
    If the forum has a place for Spam you tell me it's not ok to post?
    To me if the places offers a place for me It's Not Spamming.
    And if you don't want this stuff on your site get rid of that area.
    I do agree with you on the "Out To Make A Buck" for some because it is Pure Greed to some affiliates.
    I'm Far from doing this under Greed.
    I say that 99% is way to high.I would put that in the 45% range.
     
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