Is it Trust or is it a Popularity contest? Affiliates vs Straight up

[Chipeez]

How do you "loose" (sic) when the player wins? How much do you lose?

I think you being a little loose with the truth, don't you think?

If the casino wins I get 25% of that win if the player wins I'm also in for 25%. Perhaps I used the wrong word, because of course I don't have to pay the casino. But this will be deducted from my earnings.

If a player loses money from a fraudulent casino action as a result of your recommendation why would you not as a matter of principle, if not legal obligation, compensate him for such loss? Why not offer a Player Guarantee at all casinos you recommend insuring at least their deposit money back?

It wouldn't cross your mind because YOU don't trust the casinos with YOUR money. Your precious money would be at too much risk from YOUR recommendations.

It's okay for the player to risk his dough but hell let's not risk any affiliate money.

I'm not sure what you mean with the "player guarantee, insuring at least their deposit back" because that would mean I never make any money and that would be a strange business plan..

I don't want to talk for other affiliates, but I play at all casinos I promote myself. Also I have regular contact with the affiliate mangagers from these casinos, making sure that if there is a problem I'm able to help getting it solved.

What I see on this Forum is a bunch of spineless weak affiliate back scratchers willing to sing any casino song on cue.

Rant cut short - foaming at the mouth at some of the utter affiliate sobbing crap - "my income isn't garanteed every month" oh for God's sake!

This topic was about signing up through an affiliate or directly at the casino. I just gave my opinion being an affiliate. Feel free to have your own opinion or rant whatever you want.

If you don't approve what I write, that's fine with me. If you don't like affiliates, don't sign up through an affiliate link. You are free to do whatever you want..

I started in this business because I thought it was a good business where I was able to make a solid income. I pay my taxes and keep my books in order.

I'm sure you have a great job aswell and you are proud of what you do.


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[bb28]

Oh please......you come here with 2 rep points and you insult everyone on this forum spewing your garbage about how all affiliates are evil.
On a sensible note.....there are good affiliates and bad ones, it's not fair to lump them all together and I would say that most of the affiliates that visit this forum on a regular basis are on the up and up. You fail to notice that the regulars and long timers here are quite a bit more savvy about gambling in general than your average joe blow who just clicks any banner and deposits. Yes.......some of us learned the hard way but at least we now have educated ourselves and know better.

So why don't you take your silly rant elsewhere.

 

[bb28]

If you don't like affiliates, don't sign up through an affiliate link. You are free to do whatever you want..


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Excellent point!!

 

[lauram]

Ive joined a few casinos through some of the forums people bingo and kk and
blues. Now here is my question when i use your link here and download the casino and join how does the casino know i went through from your website at times when you get into the site from your websites i have to click few more times to get to download if it didnt work. I look at it this way if you do sign up from one of them here at least you have another voice in a issue for you.
And if you make your deposit and loose at least then you know the casino isnt only one getting your money someone else did.
Now what banners are you on about the lil one thats at top of page i dont even notice it anymore till you pointed it out. Ive been to a lot of sites and some of those pop up banners never stop. I like the banners at times they have some good bonuses with them

 

[BingoT]

OMG If I knew how this was going to go I would of never started it.
To some people I guess all affiliates are all trash people to them.
Sorry CM for this.
I have to say most that come here are very good affiliates 97% and that 3% are out for blood.
This is why I don't get invoked with allot of talk here because it gets ripped apart and Your Better than me and I'm better than you thing.or you steal from me I steal from you.

 

[lauram]

Dont feel that way bingo or kk or blue. Dont let few people bother you with their remarks. I like the affiliates and im sure many of us on here will say the same.
Example look at my prob with giant p casino blue went right out of his way to help me as i went through his site to get in there. If it was i on my own trying to
get any info from them i would be where i am now still nothing not even a email back from them. So yes i support going through affiliates i look in the forums group here to go at least you know they will help you or answer questions if need be. And im sure there are some out for fast cash but in this world a lot of people are if so be in this area or any other area dealing with cash.

 

[lots0]

Originally Posted by aminair
Then why don't you place a remark or statement under or next to the banner/link clearly stating that you will gain a lifetime commission on all losses incurred by the player should they click on your banner/link to the casino?

Why doesn't the car sales man wear a sign that says I'm going to make money if you buy a car from me? Or your insurance sales person... Or the clerk in the clothing store... Or the guy you just bought a computer from???

 

[Casinomeister]

Admin note

I just want to throw in a little warning that slamming players or affiliates will not be tolerated in this thread. Please check your personal agendas at the door.

The majority of the members here would like to see an intelligent conversation evolve from this - not one that is laden with abusive and/or ignorant comments.

Thank you for your understanding.

 

[Simmo!]

I'd say its about value. When I started out as a player, if I used a site regularly and got some value from it, and he/she happened to be an affiliate then I'd be only too happy to click through. If it's a naff site, didn't really tell me anything, or was clearly a "quick buck" site then I tended not to.

Pretty much every retailer on the web you go to these days, unless you go direct, is through an affiliate link. I use Trip Advisor and SideStep a lot and I'm only to happy to click their links because they provide a great service for me, and by clicking them I help sustain what they are doing.

Casinomeister has affiliate links, and if you get value from the site or forum then it's fair to click the links. Keeps it going. Too many people want something for nothing. And that includes a lot of affiliates. It's like that whole Microsoft-bashing thing that goes on...without them, many of us wouldn't be here now.


Affiliating has low barriers of entry and consequently for every affiliate who does a good job, you get a load who don't. That's life...and it's not just in this industry.

Support the sites who give you something useful, bypass those who don't. That's what I reckon.

 

[Jasminebed]

I'm not going to quote everyone that has contributed here, but why shouldn't the affiliate have a piece of that Casino pie? It's not like I have a higher payback percentage going straight to the site.

And my most regular deposits are at a site that I joined a before finding CM. I get paid, & the spammy affiliate I signed up through gets $$$ & keeps sending me spam. NEVER again through him/her. I signed up at some sleazy sites too, and since I usually lose, did not notice any difference.

I originally started coming to CM because I had hopes of becoming a Casino Affiliate, and as far as I am concerned any affiliate worth his/her salt gambles too. How else can you vouch for the integrity of your product?

I've decided the focus of my site should be food/cookware, with just a couple of sites I have personal experience at. Everybody's gotta eat. Good buffet is one of the perks of land based casinos. And yes, I will get a kickback for real cdn maple syrup & smoked sockeye salmon.

 

[PurpleZelda]

Affiliates are hugely valuable to the casino and poker community and I am not just talking valuable to the casinos themselves. A good affiliate (and there are a lots of exceptional affiliates out there) can be of great benefit to their players.

Good affiliates have excellent relationships with their players and work hard to research the best sights and organise the best deals as well as generally looking out for their players. It is after all in their interest to help keep their players happy. Most affiliates usually organise exclusive promotions for their players, i.e. not just the general promotions you find directly through a casino or poker room.

Not only that, some have very respectable forums such as the excellent Casinomeister. If a player posts that they are having problems at a casino or a poker room the affiliate will usually report it and see what they can do to help the player, as in the Meisters case.

Dont underestimate what they can or have done for you - the relationship between affiliate and player can be profitable for both parties.

It is obviously up to the player whether or not they choose to go through an affiliate link, but it is usually pretty obvious what kind of a service an affiliate might be able to offer you from the standard of their sight and the information available.

 

[Casinomeister]

As a player, I always click through one of the webmaster's I know aff links. If I lose - he wins; if I win, I buy him/her dinner the next time we meet

Some members think that webmasters just sit around on their asses all day - well it's true. I don't know of a single webmaster who stands all day. We're all sitting - sitting on our asses.

What a job

The thing is, players have a bit of insurance when clicking through a webmaster's link. If the player has a problem, then it is crucial that the player contact the webmaster and make him toe the line. Hold him/her responsible to what he's representing.

If players can't identify who/what is behind a website - move on. There is no reason to patronize a nameless bannerfarm - and the less the better.

The advertising here pays for the upkeep of the site. It pays for Max, Cooky, and other hired help. It pays for the software I gotta buy, pays for the server, the computers and other hardware, pays my hotel bills and plane flights to conferences.

And of course it puts food on the table and shoes on my kids' feet. Reading this thread - it seems like some people think its wrong to earn a living.

Of course, for those members who choose not to patronize any of the casinos listed here. That's fine - that's your prerogative. Max and I will even open our arms for your PABs when you get screwed by xyzcasino. What a deal

 

[Simmo!]

if I win, I buy him/her dinner the next time we meet

You do? You must owe me about a stone of fat then

 

[bonustreak]

Some members think that webmasters just sit around on their asses all day - well it's true. I don't know of a single webmaster who stands all day. We're all sitting - sitting on our asses.

I know that when a player of mine has a problem I will do everything in my power to help them in any way that I can, and I have done this for players that have not downloaded from my banner as well. There are going to be bad apples in every bunch, you just can't judge the whole batch by those few bad apples.

 

[SlotsWizard]

The biggest source of confusion seems to be the fallacious notion "If I sign up through an affiliate, I'm getting screwed". It doesn't matter whether you sign up directly or through an affiliate; your chances of winning or losing are the same.

People who bash webmasters likely have no concept of the significant amounts of time, energy, and often money, that needs to be invested into a site before it can become a success.

 

[BingoT]

I know that when a player of mine has a problem I will do everything in my power to help them in any way that I can, and I have done this for players that have not downloaded from my banner as well. There are going to be bad apples in every bunch, you just can't judge the whole batch by those few bad apples.

I agree
This is my everyday life's saying.
"People Helping People"
You will always find a bad apple where ever you go.
In my real life job I have CNA's tell me how to administer needles and how to flush a feeding tube and so on.
They think they are doctors

 

[brianzz]

The majority of the members here would like to see an intelligent conversation evolve from this - not one that is laden with abusive and/or ignorant comments.

Speak for yourself, I come here for the smart ass comments

 

[BingoT]

To end what I asked for I just think all peoples that are affiliates should give 101% And More to all players.
I just think it all comes down to Greed if No One what's to help anyone.on any issues they may have.

I just like to say Thank You all for all the great feed back on this and all that got Involved with this thread.
I hope I did'nt miss anyone
Thank You Again
B-T (Tom)

CasinoMeister

KasinoKing

Chipeez

Simmo

PurpleZelda = Gaming Industry Representative

Bonustreak

Brianzz

Mark

Seaman63

Lauriejim

Jasminebed

Aminair

Matthew23

LOOKAWAYORELSE

Zuga

Bb28

Roar

Jas2587

Lauram

Lots0

SlotsWizard

 

[dominique]

Well, I am back from my hiatus and first thing I see is this thread.

Full of my pet peeves.

So, I am going to have to speak up. I think I posted some of this before in the past, but I want to say it here again.

Treat your clicks as votes.

If you like the information you find on the site, if you think the webmaster has worked many hours to get it all gathered up for you in one spot, if you want the site to be there next time you are looking for info, click on the link.

That click helps keep the site around for you and next time you want to know something, it will be there.

Conversely, if you think the site is crap and no effort went into it and the info is useless and the casinos are rogue etc, just don't click. No clicks and the site will die.

So you have the power to weed out the sites based on what you believe is quality.

Now, some affiliates have pull with the casinos and can help you get things fixed. Others just don't have the ear of the casinos. And that, too, is directly related to the number of clicks they get.

A good affiliate keeps current with everything happening in the industry and adjusts their site accordingly. That includes removing rogues etc.

A good affiliate also won't carry places where s/he has no pull to back up their players. When I add a casino to my site, my first criteria is: How available is the casino to me if I have an issue? If a player has an issue, I have an issue, because it reflects on my site.

If I cannot step in to solve the issue because the casino could care less about what I have to say, then this casino won't be listed regardless of whether it is rogue anyplace else or not.

The thought that an affiliate is beholden to any one casino is invalid, as far as income goes, there are so many casinos to pick from that they are totally disposable to a good affiliate. A red flag should go up in your head when you find a site that lists only sister casinos fom one group, this affiliate has to be dependent on them to get paid for his/her time.

The point of using an affiliate site is that they should do leg work for you and you never pay them. All you do is vote on the quality of work they do. The bad ones will just disappear that way.

Why have affiliates at all? Almost all the info online comes from affiliates of one type or another. If you pulled all of them off the web tomorrow, you would spend hours and hours finding out stuff you have been taking for granted to be able to find at the snap of a finger.

Affiliates with pull are your strongest protection. Casinos are aware that the endorsement of a good affiliate site is vital to them.

All of this service doesn't cost you a nickel. And it's up to you to vote for the good ones and let the bad ones fall by the wayside. The only reason some bad sites stay online (and as a rule they don't, they come and go in rapid succession) or good ones fold is because people don't understand the power of their vote.

And as far as affiliates go - if you are diligent in how you pick casinos to list, player complaints will be far and between and you will get a good reputation and people will come back to you again and again for info. If you are getting a lot of player complaints, you are doing something wrong in the first place.

Ok, I just had to comment on this. It keeps coming up, and I just want to make sure players are aware that they are the ones who are in control. Click on a spam mail and you are voting for spam. Click on a crappy site and you are voting for irresponsible webmasters.

Use your votes wisely, starve bad sites out and keep valuable resources online. Ultimately it's you who decides what is available online.

 

[LaurieJim]

Well, I am back from my hiatus and first thing I see is this thread.

Full of my pet peeves.

So, I am going to have to speak up. I think I posted some of this before in the past, but I want to say it here again.

Treat your clicks as votes.

If you like the information you find on the site, if you think the webmaster has worked many hours to get it all gathered up for you in one spot, if you want the site to be there next time you are looking for info, click on the link.

That click helps keep the site around for you and next time you want to know something, it will be there.

Conversely, if you think the site is crap and no effort went into it and the info is useless and the casinos are rogue etc, just don't click. No clicks and the site will die.

So you have the power to weed out the sites based on what you believe is quality.

Now, some affiliates have pull with the casinos and can help you get things fixed. Others just don't have the ear of the casinos. And that, too, is directly related to the number of clicks they get.

A good affiliate keeps current with everything happening in the industry and adjusts their site accordingly. That includes removing rogues etc.

A good affiliate also won't carry places where s/he has no pull to back up their players. When I add a casino to my site, my first criteria is: How available is the casino to me if I have an issue? If a player has an issue, I have an issue, because it reflects on my site.

If I cannot step in to solve the issue because the casino could care less about what I have to say, then this casino won't be listed regardless of whether it is rogue anyplace else or not.

The thought that an affiliate is beholden to any one casino is invalid, as far as income goes, there are so many casinos to pick from that they are totally disposable to a good affiliate. A red flag should go up in your head when you find a site that lists only sister casinos fom one group, this affiliate has to be dependent on them to get paid for his/her time.

The point of using an affiliate site is that they should do leg work for you and you never pay them. All you do is vote on the quality of work they do. The bad ones will just disappear that way.

Why have affiliates at all? Almost all the info online comes from affiliates of one type or another. If you pulled all of them off the web tomorrow, you would spend hours and hours finding out stuff you have been taking for granted to be able to find at the snap of a finger.

Affiliates with pull are your strongest protection. Casinos are aware that the endorsement of a good affiliate site is vital to them.

All of this service doesn't cost you a nickel. And it's up to you to vote for the good ones and let the bad ones fall by the wayside. The only reason some bad sites stay online (and as a rule they don't, they come and go in rapid succession) or good ones fold is because people don't understand the power of their vote.

And as far as affiliates go - if you are diligent in how you pick casinos to list, player complaints will be far and between and you will get a good reputation and people will come back to you again and again for info. If you are getting a lot of player complaints, you are doing something wrong in the first place.

Ok, I just had to comment on this. It keeps coming up, and I just want to make sure players are aware that they are the ones who are in control. Click on a spam mail and you are voting for spam. Click on a crappy site and you are voting for irresponsible webmasters.

Use your votes wisely, starve bad sites out and keep valuable resources online. Ultimately it's you who decides what is available online.

...........how can you tell the good ones from the bad, i know the good ones here on the forum but what about all those weird emails i get from affiliates? i did join 777 dragon from casinomeisters link, and lost some money, will he get something from my losses? i hope so, atleast someone will get something, just not the casino...................laurie

 

[Casinomeister]

...and I just want to make sure players are aware that they are the ones who are in control. Click on a spam mail and you are voting for spam. Click on a crappy site and you are voting for irresponsible webmasters.

That's it in a nutshell.

 

[lauram]

If you dont like going through affiliates then simple dont use them. But for me at least if there is a major problem and i see one coming my way soon lil early to tell yet, this makes it a lot easier to deal with instead of just using the boards here that are great you also have another person voice that can get a answer to you within a day or two. I find without these great people that day or 2 would take weeks or 2 or you just give up finding anything out at all. And just like if you go into stores or buying a car yes they get a cut from what they promote or sell so why should it be any dif with the casinos. Private people bring in clients and they are also there to help those clients they bring in.
To 99% of the affiliates out there keep up the great job.

 

[BingoT]

And Thank You also Dominique for your input.
I have the most trust in you in all my time online anyone can ever have.and You are always at a beckon call if anyone ever needs any help.and this goes with CM also.This is why I stick around here even if Bryan says I'm 12 lol
I don't care how great one can have a great looking site.You have many that are in it for one thing.and also if you go to many forums you will find that this one talks bad about this one and that one talks about that one.and so on.It's just a shame that this goes on from people that have great places.Money is the root of all evil.
The bottom line is who you can trust in the end of all this counts.

 

[dominique]

...........how can you tell the good ones from the bad, i know the good ones here on the forum but what about all those weird emails i get from affiliates? i did join 777 dragon from casinomeisters link, and lost some money, will he get something from my losses? i hope so, atleast someone will get something, just not the casino...................laurie

Weird emails? You mean spam? If you didn't sign up on purpose to get it, please don't click on it. These spammers have no conscience. They will promote anything at all and never back anything up. They are scum. I hate spammers. If you subscribe to a newsletter though, then that's ok.

Telling the good from the bad - does the site give you information you would have to hunt down otherwise? Are they providing a good service to you? You want them to be there tomorrow?

Bryan isn't an affiliate, he is a webmaster. He doesn't get paid for losses, he is like a magazine and takes ads. Your click helps keep the ads in place and that puts food on his plate.

Also, not all casinos pay affiliates for losses, some pay a % of deposits, others base it on wagering like the land casinos. And many of the larger sites take ads like Bryan also, it's a mix.

And you are right, when you use an affiliate link someone gets something, other than the casino.

Also, a question brought up earlier in the thread - yes, the casinos know who referred the player. And, yes, should there be a problem it very likely influences how they act.

 

[GaryWatson]

I am a fan of affiliates. Not because I am one but because I found my first site through one. It was probably spam at the time but things move on (not the spam).

I know more now. I will always sign up through an affilliate but never from a spam message.

I look at sites and content. If I like the site, its a thank you. Casinomeister has had my $10 casino money but he should feel short changed.

There are good and bad affiliates. Some are not always as obvious but if you like a website, go with the affiliate. Casino's are rich enough. They pay affiliates to help build them. Only the casino wins when you cut out the middle man. Affiliates spend a lot of time finding information to help the end user. if everyone skips the affiliate, you will not find the useful information you are accustomed to.

Go back 5 years and you will find crap websites with little or no info. Move with the times and sign up through an affiliate link as long as its not spam