external image

Incredible win at Cherry Red, but????

takethemoney

Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic
Joined
Apr 14, 2004
Location
Washington
Hi all,

Weekend before last I deposited $100 at Cherry Red and got a deposit bonus. I made the playthru and went on to hit the sunken treasure slot for 10 grand. A couple days later I hit the Diamond Dozen slot for 20 grand. I was betting $1 on the Sunken and $1.20 on the Diamond. Amazing win on that amount of money.

Here is my concern. The casino only pays out $4000 per week. My initial withdrawal was processed inside of two days. The rest of my $4000 withdrawals are still sitting in my account 4 days later, still reversible. To me this is unacceptable. I understand they will only send you $4k per week, but I am not getting any kind of service on getting these others finalized so they are not reversible. Do I have anything to worry about? Shouldn't these others be flushed out of my account so they are not touchable?

Frankly, I'm not as impressed with the customer service here lately. I won before and it took almost a month to get paid. So is this the norm for this place?
 
Hi all,

Weekend before last I deposited $100 at Cherry Red and got a deposit bonus. I made the playthru and went on to hit the sunken treasure slot for 10 grand. A couple days later I hit the Diamond Dozen slot for 20 grand. I was betting $1 on the Sunken and $1.20 on the Diamond. Amazing win on that amount of money.

Here is my concern. The casino only pays out $4000 per week. My initial withdrawal was processed inside of two days. The rest of my $4000 withdrawals are still sitting in my account 4 days later, still reversible. To me this is unacceptable. I understand they will only send you $4k per week, but I am not getting any kind of service on getting these others finalized so they are not reversible. Do I have anything to worry about? Shouldn't these others be flushed out of my account so they are not touchable?

Frankly, I'm not as impressed with the customer service here lately. I won before and it took almost a month to get paid. So is this the norm for this place?

to me the only worry you should have is if you go back an play it an lose it
that is why all casino's that you have a pending withdraw leave the money there as they know the player will get the itch an go an reverse
WTG an Good Luck dont cave in an play wait to log in when it is time to withdraw your next 4K have Trust in yourself as you will be your worst enemy here

again Congrats

Cindy:)
 
They were random jackpots covering all the lines. I have received no money yet, but was notified a week ago that the first $4000 was processed. I figure it's gonna take another week for the wire....that doesn't bother me. What concerns me is the length of time the other funds are reversible. Does this mean they will sit there reversible until the next processing week for another $4000?
 
They were random jackpots covering all the lines. I have received no money yet, but was notified a week ago that the first $4000 was processed. I figure it's gonna take another week for the wire....that doesn't bother me. What concerns me is the length of time the other funds are reversible. Does this mean they will sit there reversible until the next processing week for another $4000?

yes that is why I say dont log in at all till it is time for your next withdraw as they want you to play it back
I found a long time ago reverse a withdraw an the win gets reversed right back to them

you have some great wins there (((I dream of such a win:p))) dont reverse it

again Congrats
Cindy:)
 
They did have problems but if they paid you $4K within 2 days as per their terms and still continue to send you $4K a week isnt that good enough?

Sorry chuchu59, this is the 3rd time in the last hour I've read a post of yours where you're clearly either in the wrong or perhaps you don't understand the complexities of the situation.

This player's concern is completely valid. If he requests that the w/d be flushed so that he doesn't gamble it away one night or w/e, then to not do so is pure unethical behaviour from the casino.

I'm not saying Cherry Red are behaving unethically here - just speaking in general terms as someone who's been badly burned by a casino intentionally stringing out my w/d request over a period of time, even lying to me in the hope I would gamble those funds away (which I did).

Not all of us have your self-control chuchu59. Put yourself in the other guy's shoes in these spots. Whilst it would be unfair to even compare Cherry Red's failure to flush the w/d with what happened in my situation, if it turns out that the player has requested those funds be flushed pending withdrawal - and they are left sitting in his account - that's very poor form and deserving of criticism / sanction(s) of some kind.
 
Last edited:
I'm not saying Lucky Red ......

Just to be a smart ass. It was Cherry Red Casino.

BUT...I think you are right. I, for myself, when I win. I am in highest danger to gamble the money away. So, I know what you mean, and the casino really should flush his account to prevent reversing.

BUT maybe its the idea of this casino to save a bit money;)

My 2 cents
Ed
 
Sorry guys - I'm dyslexic - have edited it to the right "Red" - thx eu!

BUT maybe its the idea of this casino to save a bit money;)

My 2 cents
Ed

Yep sure, it would be really annoying and costly for a gaming operator if players consistently withdrew and deposited back and forth.

But they should only react *if* a player shows a history of doing that. It should not be default policy.

So what Cherry Red should do is:
1. If player requests pending w/d's to be flushed, they should flush those amounts.
2. If player deposits whilst he has flushed withdrawals pending, they should just contact him or her and explain that this creates high transaction fees for them - and explain that, in the future, they won't be able to flush pending w/d's if the player continues to withdraw then deposit not long after.
3. Player wins again. Requests flush. They should flush.
4. Player deposits again whilst pending w/d's are flushed, they should contact the player and explain that, in the future, they will be unable to flush pending withdrawals for this reason.

Perfect no?

You're also wrong, because it is "CherRy Red" :D

I like this guy! ;)
 
Sorry chuchu59, this is the 3rd time in the last hour I've read a post of yours where you're clearly either in the wrong or perhaps you don't understand the complexities of the situation.

This player's concern is completely valid. If he requests that the w/d be flushed so that he doesn't gamble it away one night or w/e, then to not do so is pure unethical behaviour from the casino.

I'm not saying Cherry Red are behaving unethically here - just speaking in general terms as someone who's been badly burned by a casino intentionally stringing out my w/d request over a period of time, even lying to me in the hope I would gamble those funds away (which I did).

Not all of us have your self-control chuchu59. Put yourself in the other guy's shoes in these spots. Whilst it would be unfair to even compare Cherry Red's failure to flush the w/d with what happened in my situation, if it turns out that the player has requested those funds be flushed pending withdrawal - and they are left sitting in his account - that's very poor form and deserving of criticism / sanction(s) of some kind.

well you can bet your last dollar that those funds will sit in his account till hell freezes over cause Cherry red does not remove them they wont even let you redeposit if you have a cashout pending

an if anyone has no self control an plays it back then I say tey are an idiot an a stupid player because they played right into the casino's hands

Cindy
 
an if anyone has no self control an plays it back then I say tey are an idiot an a stupid player because they played right into the casino's hands

Cindy

I did exactly that, Cindy. Multiple times.

Am I an idiot and stupid? Trick question. The answer is yes and no. Yes, I was stupid to do so. No, because *maybe* there was some compulsion in the mix and that compulsion / lack of control was not only taken advantage of...the whole situation was intentionally contrived to deliver that result for the casino.

Either way, we're not discussing the intelligence levels of the OP, myself or anyone else in this post - and frankly, I think it's probably preferable to not dance down that road...;)

We're discussing whether the casino is behaving in a roguish fashion by not flushing the pending withdrawals, which are only pending because of the casino's low max withdrawal limits. Do you see?
 
I did exactly that, Cindy. Multiple times.

Am I an idiot and stupid? Trick question. The answer is yes and no. Yes, I was stupid to do so. No, because *maybe* there was some compulsion in the mix and that compulsion / lack of control was not only taken advantage of...the whole situation was intentionally contrived to deliver that result for the casino.

Either way, we're not discussing the intelligence levels of the OP, myself or anyone else in this post - and frankly, I think it's probably preferable to not dance down that road...;)

We're discussing whether the casino is behaving in a roguish fashion by not flushing the pending withdrawals, which are only pending because of the casino's low max withdrawal limits. Do you see?

yeah I see did you not read my post where Is said they would not flush an that they will have to have self control to not play it back
did you not see?

you sure are a pot stirer you like to start things when nothing needed to be started but I forgot you are the high roller an can just lose at your whim
oh well I got things to do you have a nice day ya hear

Cindy
 
Take

Congrats:thumbsup: Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I read from your post is: I hit for a lot of money at Cherry, they processed the first 4,000. The rest will be sent, I'm not worried about that, but in the meantime its just sitting there? Its not flushed, and I can't make a fresh deposit.
That IMO sucks because its so easliy reversable and tempting to play back. I was in a similar sit. with an RTG, In my case though I found out (2 Late) that they would have flused mine for me. I like an idiot played most of it back. My illogic thinking was, at least I don't have to make fresh deposits at other casinos-dumb:rolleyes:.

I'm not saying you don't have self control. If that is the case however, maybe Cindy can pull up the threads on what to do not to play back your winnings. Some people had some really great ideas. At any rate, good luck.

For any RTG reps, why can't you guys just flush? I'm not saying pay it all at once, but make it non reversible?
 
yeah I see did you not read my post where Is said they would not flush an that they will have to have self control to not play it back
did you not see?

you sure are a pot stirer you like to start things when nothing needed to be started but I forgot you are the high roller an can just lose at your whim
oh well I got things to do you have a nice day ya hear

Cindy

I apologise if I misunderstood you Cindy, and I can assure you I'm not trying to stir the pot. If I was, my last post would be so very very different than the one I posted :)

So basically you're saying? "Look, RTG casinos *will not* flush. So don't be an idiot and lose that money!!"

Is that right?

Cause I could have actually used a slap on the face when I got sucked in and played right into their hands...no one slapped me in the face except myself after I lost it all back to them :(

In any case, I see your point. It's just that not all of us have self-control that we'd like to have in an ideal world. With me, when I get disillusioned by the world or people have ripped me off or friends aren't repaying loans I gave them in emergency situations and now they're wealthy and still stalling on repayments...things like that...I don't think I get angry so much, I get fatalistic? maybe, more just "bleh what's the point.." and if I have funds available sitting there pending, those funds are in grave danger. Grave danger. Is there any other kind?

Expired Image

So what I firmly believe is that many casinos are very aware of these kinds of emotions with gamblers, and they will actively create situations to exploit that. I'm not saying RTG casinos are doing that! I don't know.

But I believe it's our responsibility to try and persuade or force them (if we can) to act in an ethical manner that will result in decreased profits sure - but won't cause devastating damage to those of us who are just human. Or, in my case, massive embarrassment for falling into their trap...creating subsequent shame etc.

And whilst our actions in falling into that trap and losing that money may appear idiotic or stupid, I'm not sure Cindy that they always are. Perhaps for me yes...cause I damn well should know better. But for others who haven't been gambling for years...I wouldn't consider them idiots or weak or stupid for falling for that trap at all. I definitely sympathise with them and direct my attentions to criticising the casinos that create the 'trap' with capped w/d's and refusal to flush.
 
I am saying RTG will not flush an dont go back an stop the withdraw an keep playing on it cause that is what they want you to do

I say dont go back till you are paid your 1st cashout then do the next withdraw an so on

but some will think hmmm I got lucky before an they will play an lose it all
there are many here that have done that

Cindy
 
Hi all,


Here is my concern. The casino only pays out $4000 per week. My initial withdrawal was processed inside of two days. The rest of my $4000 withdrawals are still sitting in my account 4 days later, still reversible. To me this is unacceptable. I understand they will only send you $4k per week, but I am not getting any kind of service on getting these others finalized so they are not reversible. Do I have anything to worry about? Shouldn't these others be flushed out of my account so they are not touchable?

This is going to be very hard to not play a good portion of this money back over a course of almost two months if you don't have a plan and they won't hold the whole amount.

I'm not sure what kind of player you are but I would leave about 500 a week in the account and flush 4,000 weekly. There is no way someone is not going to play and have 30k sitting in an account so control is the key to getting most of your money back and not going on tilt.

Hopefully a rep can come along and work out a larger arrangement for you bc this is ridicoulous to make you wait this long.
 
Last edited:
I'm not sure if this works with RTG's but try logging in several times with the wrong password and see if it locks you out. That will prevent you going back and reversing it. The other option is to email support and ask for your account to be suspended for one month?

Side Note: I know that Club World don't enforce the weekly limit if you win a "network progressive" - they pay it all as a lump because it comes from RTG not the casino. Is this relevant here? If it is an NP you won they should pay as one lump, but bear in mind a lot of Real Series random jackpots are casino-specific, not networked.

Just an idea.

Cheers

Simmo!
 
Apologies for not remembering the original poster - but I will reiterate the favourite 'self exclusion' tactic whilst waiting for a withdrawal that I read on here.

Type a long string of numbers and letters into a document, then change your password to it. Print this off, then drive 50 miles to the storage place and safely deposit your password. As soon as the withdrawal hits your bank, celebrate by driving back to the storage place and retrieving your password :D

Effective!

Completely fu****g mental. But effective.
 
Apologies for not remembering the original poster - but I will reiterate the favourite 'self exclusion' tactic whilst waiting for a withdrawal that I read on here.

Type a long string of numbers and letters into a document, then change your password to it. Print this off, then drive 50 miles to the storage place and safely deposit your password. As soon as the withdrawal hits your bank, celebrate by driving back to the storage place and retrieving your password :D

Effective!

Completely fu****g mental. But effective.

I don't understand this strategy sorry. I like the crazy aspect but I can't see how it prevents anything except you gambling during the 100 mile drive? :)

If I do all that, when I get home, I can have the password to any account I have reset almost instantly....
 
Sorry chuchu59, this is the 3rd time in the last hour I've read a post of yours where you're clearly either in the wrong or perhaps you don't understand the complexities of the situation.

This player's concern is completely valid. If he requests that the w/d be flushed so that he doesn't gamble it away one night or w/e, then to not do so is pure unethical behaviour from the casino.

I'm not saying Cherry Red are behaving unethically here - just speaking in general terms as someone who's been badly burned by a casino intentionally stringing out my w/d request over a period of time, even lying to me in the hope I would gamble those funds away (which I did).

Not all of us have your self-control chuchu59. Put yourself in the other guy's shoes in these spots. Whilst it would be unfair to even compare Cherry Red's failure to flush the w/d with what happened in my situation, if it turns out that the player has requested those funds be flushed pending withdrawal - and they are left sitting in his account - that's very poor form and deserving of criticism / sanction(s) of some kind.

Thanks. I would dearly love to know which other 2 posts I am clearly wrong at.

Yup! I would also like to be in the other guy's shoes, at least for the $30K he has won.:D By the way, I hate complex matters as my brain hurts easily.
 
Ha ha - true!

Reminds me of the wise old words:

"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes."

Jack Handey is god.

"I hope if dogs take over the world, and they choose a king, they don't just go by size, because I bet there are some Chihuahuas with some good ideas."

chuchu59: We'd all like to be in his shoes, every day! But that's not what's really important, is it? My point about the other 2 posts was not that I think you're just always wrong, I believe I was saying more like "I can't let this 3rd incorrect one slide..."

From memory, one was related to this kind of issue where a player requested self-exclusion and you were approaching the issue incorrectly, as proved by the conclusion to the thread - and I can't remember the other one off the top of my head. But just look through, I'm sure you'll spot it :)
 
Firstly, I'd like to congratulate takethemoney on some great hits.

Unfortunately, Louise who is the rep for CherryRed and seems to hold some other position(s) with the Rushmore group is off on holidays, so I doubt your issue will be addressed in her absence. Maybe someone at Cherry Red can prove me wrong.

Asking for a suspension of your account is not a solution, nor is locking it out, as you need to log in and make those withdrawal requests in order to receive your next installment.

The only advice I can offer is to stay strong and play elsewhere in the meantime, and log in weekly to make your withdrawal requests. Do it just a minute before you have to head out the door to work or another time you can't stay to play.

If the casino is seeing no play from a player who has "the casino's money":rolleyes: they will make some arrangement so you can be an active player again. At least if they are smart they will.

For more of my thoughts on this issue, see https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/accredited-casino-new-rule-suggestion.34390/
 
The other option is to email support and ask for your account to be suspended for one month?

Simmo!

The only problem with that, (which is by the way a great idea)...is the fact that you do have to log back in each week in order to withdraw and process another $4K.

EDIT: Jasmine, it looks like I was typing what you were posting..:thumbsup:
____
____
 
the fact that you do have to log back in each week in order to withdraw and process another $4K.

Can you not withdraw as an example 8x $4,000 because i can remeber, that you can make even more difference withdrawals at one time, so they're all still reversable, but you must not log in in the future and can at least uninstall the casino up this full payment period :)

a lot of Real Series random jackpots are casino-specific, not networked.

i'm sure, that every Random Jackpot is non-networked, but the progressives certainly networked ;)
 
Thanks guys for all the laughs and enlightenment. I think my situation is understood by most of you. I have withdrawn 4k at a time and have a load of pending withdrawals. Today the first installment was in my bank account, minus what I believe is the $200 bonus I received when I deposited and minus a wire fee from my bank. So far all seems normal. A couple months is a long time to resist temptation and that is my major concern. I really wish they woulld flush them, even though they don't have to send all the money right away.

I've asked but no such luck.
The good news is I no longer have to figure out how I am going to be able to afford to go to California to see my kids over Christmas. :)
 
Jack Handey is god.

"I hope if dogs take over the world, and they choose a king, they don't just go by size, because I bet there are some Chihuahuas with some good ideas."

chuchu59: We'd all like to be in his shoes, every day! But that's not what's really important, is it? My point about the other 2 posts was not that I think you're just always wrong, I believe I was saying more like "I can't let this 3rd incorrect one slide..."

From memory, one was related to this kind of issue where a player requested self-exclusion and you were approaching the issue incorrectly, as proved by the conclusion to the thread - and I can't remember the other one off the top of my head. But just look through, I'm sure you'll spot it :)

JHV,

I really dont know which 2 posts you are referring to so as it should still be fresh in your mind please locate them and pencil in your comments. I would love to read them.:thumbsup:
 
Thanks guys for all the laughs and enlightenment. I think my situation is understood by most of you. I have withdrawn 4k at a time and have a load of pending withdrawals. Today the first installment was in my bank account, minus what I believe is the $200 bonus I received when I deposited and minus a wire fee from my bank. So far all seems normal. A couple months is a long time to resist temptation and that is my major concern. I really wish they woulld flush them, even though they don't have to send all the money right away.

I've asked but no such luck.
The good news is I no longer have to figure out how I am going to be able to afford to go to California to see my kids over Christmas. :)

Congrats an Good luck

Cindy:)
 
@takethemoney, hey first of all, congrats on the win - are your hands still shaking? :) sheesh my hands were shaking just reading about it!

Also yeah the whole flushing (or not) thing really sucks - I remember (way waayyyyy back) when I won enough to withdraw at Cherry Red and I asked in live chat to flush my WD and they had no idea what I was talking about. I came here and PMed Louise and she had it flushed by the next day even though it was on her day off. Which was great but I was still a little POed about it because what if I wasn't a member here? What if Louise was on holiday or sick or got hit by a bus...then what?

Unfortunately that's the situation you find yourself in - Louise is on holiday and obviously not one single other person at Cherry Red has the ability to flush withdrawals or fix anything that happens to go wrong there. Which isn't acceptable in my view.

If it was me (I wish) I'd be tempted too, but I'd reverse $500 to play with and not a penny more. If I won more, then even better. If I played that $500 and get nowhere then I'd tell myself that my streak was over and just wait for my money. You've already got your first payment so you can afford to play somewhere else for awhile and Louise will be back in less than 2 weeks and she'll probably be able to flush everything for you then. So really you don't have to struggle with temptation for too long. :)

Also...sometimes I find you get better customer support (albiet slower) when you deal with support via email rather than live chat. Supposedly the Rushmore Group was training people to take over from Louise when she was on holiday or days off or whatever - I don't know if they actually did or not or if you've contacted them that way? If they have someone who can do it, it's possible that the chat people just don't know about it.

Anyhow good luck with it and congrats again on the win!!!
 
Considering you can play blackjack and bet 1k + a hand in some casinos, you would think a 4k withdrawal is chicken feed for these places.

As previously discussed in this thread, the very least the casino could do is put the entire winnings into non reversable pending status.

For attracting new high roller clients this 4k max withdrawal in the t&c's could well lose potential business. As waiting weeks on end for a low 5 figure payout is a poor show.

If I were this player I would make sure I sat it out and play elsewhere until all the funds are released. Obviously the casino realises a high proportion of players will simply get tempted and reverse winnings.

For me there is no difference monetary wise between casino winnings and deposits, it is all money, your money. If you can reverse and play 20k, ask yourself this, would you ever deposit 20k of your own hard earned money at the same place?

Mike
 
Considering you can play blackjack and bet 1k + a hand in some casinos, you would think a 4k withdrawal is chicken feed for these places.

Well said.

This is my main concern with this growing issue of withdrawal limits. I was arguing this point in another thread where the casinos have limited Moneybookers/NETeller/Click2Pay withdrawals to $500/week max cap.

Yet they'll allow you to easily wager $20,000 in turnover a MINUTE (unless I'm screwing up my maths but I don't think so - AutoPlay Slots at 4x/second [0.25sec between spins with my estimate of 0.25sec / spin]). Either way, the levels of wagering they allow and no doubt gladly welcome, makes a $500 or even a $5000/week cap seem very strange.

Which, of course, then leaves you to wonder if the cap is not obviously intentionally placed there for reasons we all suspect (particularly if they refuse to flush the pending withdrawals).
 
Perhaps I missed mention of this... or maybe it doesn't apply here... I just can't keep up w/RTGs and their bonus T&C ... but....

Does Cherry Red not have a max cash out restriction on bonuses?
 
Perhaps I missed mention of this... or maybe it doesn't apply here... I just can't keep up w/RTGs and their bonus T&C ... but....

Does Cherry Red not have a max cash out restriction on bonuses?

I haven't played there in months but I went and checked the T & C's and couldn't find anything. The one thing I did notice though was that if you deposit via CC you cannot withdraw to a web wallet. I find that odd since I always deposit via CC and the (1) time I did manage a withdrawal it was to QT.
 
Hi all,

Weekend before last I deposited $100 at Cherry Red and got a deposit bonus. I made the playthru and went on to hit the sunken treasure slot for 10 grand. A couple days later I hit the Diamond Dozen slot for 20 grand. I was betting $1 on the Sunken and $1.20 on the Diamond. Amazing win on that amount of money.

Here is my concern. The casino only pays out $4000 per week. My initial withdrawal was processed inside of two days. The rest of my $4000 withdrawals are still sitting in my account 4 days later, still reversible. To me this is unacceptable. I understand they will only send you $4k per week, but I am not getting any kind of service on getting these others finalized so they are not reversible. Do I have anything to worry about? Shouldn't these others be flushed out of my account so they are not touchable?

Frankly, I'm not as impressed with the customer service here lately. I won before and it took almost a month to get paid. So is this the norm for this place?

Since your account balance is enticing you to play/reverse, uninstall the casino immediately and play elsewhere until you're paid in full. Hang out in a barber shop long enough and you're gonna get a haircut.
 
Since your account balance is enticing you to play/reverse, uninstall the casino immediately and play elsewhere until you're paid in full. Hang out in a barber shop long enough and you're gonna get a haircut.

Takethemoney, do some of us players a favor. DON'T PLAY another dime there Until you've been paid in full. If this group wanna make its members jump thru all these hoops. I said then let Cherry Red pay out Thousands to a fellow member on a $100 deposit. GET ALL YOUR MONEY FROM THEM! Lets see if this kind of hit will make them go back to the drawing board.
 
Takethemoney, do some of us players a favor. DON'T PLAY another dime there Until you've been paid in full. If this group wanna make its members jump thru all these hoops. I said then let Cherry Red pay out Thousands to a fellow member on a $100 deposit. GET ALL YOUR MONEY FROM THEM! Lets see if this kind of hit will make them go back to the drawing board.


Good Point! I'm still blown away that this could happen on that deposit!!!! When I first hit the Sunken Treasure for 10k, I was laying on my bed watching it play...yes, on auto play. I had $230 left of my bankroll, including the $200 bonus. It hit. :)

Almost 3 weeks later, I am now on my 3rd random jackpot. In the previous 2 days I have taken in $8000 on the Mystic Dragon and just a few minutes ago I hit the 3rd random for $12,191. I should have stopped playing but I have been setting limits to my sessions. There is a point where I simply draw the line, but so far the casino is keeping me well above that limit. I am under no delusions. The second payment of $4000 has been sent, so in a couple days I will have actually received $8k. :thumbsup:
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Accredited Casinos

Read about our rating system and how it's done.
Back
Top