How many people here truly believe slots to be random?

[trancemonkey]

lol first thing I do in the morning is put bonanza and vikings go berserk on auto.

You must have way too much money... Hahaha

 

[nojoke]

Jeez do you literally play slots your entire waking time?!

They are quite addictive. I think they may even be made to be addictive

And if you have the money. Then what are you going to do ?

 

[lockinlove]

You must have way too much money... Hahaha

VGB is almost all strictly play money dont forget. And im including battles.

Alot of times on MG casinos I have a big bonus with wagering. Say deposit $500 get $500 bonus. And i will play .90. Every day differs.

A tyical day for me is put bonanza and VGB on auto. Quick spin an MG slot and bounce around doing that. Play some battles. etc.

And get work done. I just flip back and forth tabs and see if I hit a bonus.

I miss alot of things. Most base game hits I miss.

 

[Jono777]

They are quite addictive. I think they may even be made to be addictive

And if you have the money. Then what are you going to do ?

There is so much more to life than slots....If I was "well off" I'd step away from gambling altogether, no need lol!

Then again it has taken me 14 years to start to get bored

Maybe easier said than done as I've thought about a "new hobby" numerous times but theres only so much you can do with a PC and 20 smokes and a Skrill account

 

[nojoke]

There is so much more to life than slots....If I was "well off" I'd step away from gambling altogether, no need lol!

Then again it has taken me 14 years to start to get bored

Maybe easier said than done as I've thought about a "new hobby" numerous times but theres only so much you can do with a PC and 20 smokes and a Skrill account

This industry preys on the bored, The ill, The bed ridden, The infirm sitting indoors all day, Children, Those that can not sleep, Those on prescription drugs, Recreational drugs or booze that make them not care how much they gamble.....Its not just the "10 mins or hr of boredom" types that fill the coffers.

Slots are pretty much a huge part of if not all of some peoples lives.

They aint never gonna give up unless they take a very hard rehab. The industry knows this, They are not daft.. Just ruthless.

 

[trancemonkey]

This industry preys on the bored, The ill, The bed ridden, The infirm sitting indoors all day, Children, Those that can not sleep, Those on prescription drugs, Recreational drugs or booze that make them not care how much they gamble.....Its not just the "10 mins or hr of boredom" types that fill the coffers.

Slots are pretty much a huge part of if not all of some peoples lives.

They aint never gonna give up unless they take a very hard rehab. The industry knows this, They are not daft.. Just ruthless.

Every industry that wants people to spend money is the same... not just gambling.

The food industry (for example) - bright packaging, adverts, special offers, competitions.

We don't ruin people's lives by forcing them to gamble too much - everyone is responsible for their own actions. End of.

To say we prey on "the bored, the ill, the bed ridden, the infirm..." is just nonsense. Do you have any proof of how, for example, we prey on the bed ridden?

 

[nojoke]

Every industry that wants people to spend money is the same... not just gambling.

The food industry (for example) - bright packaging, adverts, special offers, competitions.

We don't ruin people's lives by forcing them to gamble too much - everyone is responsible for their own actions. End of.

To say we prey on "the bored, the ill, the bed ridden, the infirm..." is just nonsense. Do you have any proof of how, for example, we prey on the bed ridden?

You are right.
Every industry preys on its customers.

Your industry does it with Spam, Fake offers, Lies, Flase Advertising etc..

 

[trancemonkey]

They are quite addictive. I think they may even be made to be addictive

And if you have the money. Then what are you going to do ?

You are right.
Every industry preys on its customers.

Your industry does it with Spam, Fake offers, Lies, Flase Advertising etc..

Well, I don't consider my industry as the casinos... Mine is the games providers. The casinos are our customer. We don't control what they do... And BTW I agree that there are a lot of casinos out there that do some dodgy stuff... Most are in the rogues sectiom thank god

 

[Jono777]

This industry preys on the bored, The ill, The bed ridden, The infirm sitting indoors all day, Children, Those that can not sleep, Those on prescription drugs, Recreational drugs or booze that make them not care how much they gamble.....Its not just the "10 mins or hr of boredom" types that fill the coffers.

Slots are pretty much a huge part of if not all of some peoples lives.

They aint never gonna give up unless they take a very hard rehab. The industry knows this, They are not daft.. Just ruthless.

Unfortunately in any type of modern business these days you have to be (to a degree) to succeed at all.

There are ways of being ruthless whilst remaining ethical to a point.

One of my main pet hates,namely "selfish" is a common trait

 

[deadoralive23]

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This is random?

So the random fish feature on KOI princess gives you 3 options.

There are 4 possible outcomes, 5-hit, random wilds, wild reels and bonus.

Put 4 different coloured balls in a bag and choose a ball, if you can pick the same coloured ball 12 or 13 times in a row (the amount of times he gets the 5-hit bonus in a row) then we can agree slots are random.

PS. the video is quite funny.

Edit: ok he gets a coin win inbetween but still rigged!

 

[slotter999]

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This is random?

So the random fish feature on KOI princess gives you 3 options.

There are 4 possible outcomes, 5-hit, random wilds, wild reels and bonus.

Put 4 different coloured balls in a bag and choose a ball, if you can pick the same coloured ball 12 or 13 times in a row (the amount of times he gets the 5-hit bonus in a row) then we can agree slots are random.

PS. the video is quite funny.

Edit: ok he gets a coin win inbetween but still rigged!

To use your coloured ball example - you would have an 1 in 4 chance to pick any particular colour.

But it's extremely unlikely this is the case on the slot machine Koi Princess. Most likely it's something like 25 balls for 5 hit bonus, 10 balls for random wilds, 7 balls for wild reels and 4 balls for bonus. Obviously in that scenario you're gonna end up with 5 hit bonus quite a bit more.

 

[trancemonkey]

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This is random?

So the random fish feature on KOI princess gives you 3 options.

There are 4 possible outcomes, 5-hit, random wilds, wild reels and bonus.

Put 4 different coloured balls in a bag and choose a ball, if you can pick the same coloured ball 12 or 13 times in a row (the amount of times he gets the 5-hit bonus in a row) then we can agree slots are random.

PS. the video is quite funny.

Edit: ok he gets a coin win inbetween but still rigged!

No in that case i would think it isn't... That is just the game offering you a pick where the result is already known... But that result was randomly determined by the game at the point you pressed start... It's just a way of making the outcome that was coming anyway more entertaining.

So for example the player presses start... The game passes a chance to give you one of the five features... (for example...)

880 - no feature
40 - coin win
20 - random wild
40 - 5-hit
15 - bonus
5 - wild reels

Once it's decided what to give you, the pick it just for entertainment purposes...

I don't know that 100% but I imagine its how they did it...

 

[TheAddict]

Had a nice win at lenny friday , 300 quid wl on doa. Finished wagering with 320, deposited tenner for a tenner bonus. 8 hours later, noticing the withdrawal pending and that i wont receive anything till tuesday... reversed the withdrawal and kept 20 to play and clicked withdrawal on the other 300.
Strangely, well.... conveniently, not many moments later after reversing and re-requesting a slightly smaller amount i get a kyc request. Strange in that it never happened 7 hours previously while waiting on it to be processed. I suppose it is dream timing as now i cant get any withdrawal cleared until that is approved, and while i doubt that was the reason the kyc appeared, despite a previously pending withdrawal of 7 hours, i can at least say the time frame was very suspicious considering it was pending 7 hours, and that i have a decent roll (32xdeposited amount) that id just shown i was willing to reverse, also my biggest attempt at a cashout there.

Well i'd attacked doa friday night maybe some 600 wagering on 9p bets. I remember not getting 5oak sherrif badges or gun holsters during that time.
Anyway, fast forward to saturday i get bored and do a few small reversals knowing that with the bank holiday i wont see it in my bank till tuesday even if the kyc was verified on the same day...
of course now the game goes crap .. im doing hours of stopstart spins and its useless.
So i set myself a challenge.... try and get 5oak sherrif badges or gun holsters, whichever comes first. Seeing as id not seen either at all the nighy before.
Well, that was a fkng mistake. after a decent hit the night before i spend 15 more hours , at least 5 of which are stopstart.. trying to defeat my challenge. Ive had 25 wl's and 4xfive scatter so i have had a fair bash at this game, and could not in all that time recall the high symbols dissapearing for ever more than perhaps an 80quid loss of bets until it did, but amazingly £260 @ 9p is now not enough to hit either of 2 highest 5oak symbols... it is only enough to hit prizes maximizing at 5oak hats in the base game. and a 7.20 bonus round though this whopper was not part of my challenge.

Safe to say it would probably take the other 60 quid at 9p spins that i have left from what was 320 on lenny 12 hours ago without completing my 50ak symbol challenge, cause despite never seeing it take even half that amount without showing said symbols while accumilating 25 wild lines and fou r 5x scatters, its gotta be bad luck as we know its 100% random, innit?

Bah, Bit of a rant, and while yes, im up atm from my deposit so shouldnt be to sour, but i have played only this game for 99% of my online gaming and never seen it so bad lol. Normally im good at cashing out most of a decent hit but that kyc was perfectly timed and i been home alone for 2 days with no money to go out lol .*sigh* well, may as well go nudge lenny into trying to get the kyc done for me before i do the bloomin rest of it for a few more sets of hats.

Apolagies as that was a bit long, which is suprising cause my thumb barely works from all the stop n start quick spins!
Id say if anything, at least i know to 1. Try and avoid bonuses on fridays, where you know you cannot withdraw it into your bank untill monday and it might end up being pending all weekend for a number of reasons including will power or a drunken mistake. and 2. Dont, under any freakin circumstance sit on doa with a big balance and think its a good idea to do quick spins. .

Think its time to quit while im ahead.. am well up on doa thanks to a few reloads but this takes the piss. 2 wins around 70-90x bet from features and not one win over £4 in the base game.. while losing 260quid at 9p... after a 300quid win.
Hmmmm...

 

[subsoil]

How many of you have hit let's say a 1000x + stake win on a slot and very shortly after another one on that very same slot.
Be sure, your personal RTP might be skyhigh after that first win and I believe there is no chance in hell that slot will "give" you another mega win.
It might happen but I would say the chances are 1 in a billion.

Too many people also get very cold streaks after a massive win, all a coincidence?

I agree with you that most of the time after a big win it feels like the slot turns dry as fuck.

But i have to say i had 2 big wins within few minutes on the same slot.
Last weekend, Dead or Alive. Within ~300 spins i had exactly 3 bonusrounds. The first one gave me the extraspins for 240x the stake. The second one gave my the extraspins with a wildline for 2700x. And the third one, after i doubled my betsize, gave me another wildline for 2400x. So yeah, it can happen. Of course i know that this is a "once in a lifetime" thing and i better quit playing DoA for the rest of the year. But it was pretty exciting. Who knows the odds of a back to back to back extraspins and a back to back wildline?

And, to be on Topic. I have to believe that slots are random. Or kind of random. Otherwise i would surely loose the entertainment of playing slots.

 

[deadoralive23]

Not sure whether this was luck or not but I was playing 40p spins on VIZ and after about 30 minutes I couldn't trigger any of the 3 available features.
I decided to refresh the game and within 2 minutes I triggered free spins.
I closed the game and started playing Book of Ra, again after around 20 minutes nothing then a refresh and a weak bonus triggered almost instantly, just wondering if anyone has tried this tactic and if it has paid dividends.
Also wondering if it's just me or does gonzos quest retrigger a feature almost instantly (old version).

 

[trancemonkey]

Not sure whether this was luck or not but I was playing 40p spins on VIZ and after about 30 minutes I couldn't trigger any of the 3 available features.
I decided to refresh the game and within 2 minutes I triggered free spins.
I closed the game and started playing Book of Ra, again after around 20 minutes nothing then a refresh and a weak bonus triggered almost instantly, just wondering if anyone has tried this tactic and if it has paid dividends.
Also wondering if it's just me or does gonzos quest retrigger a feature almost instantly (old version).

Well... Try refreshing it every 10 spins and see what happens...

 

[orion]

I believe slots are random.

I have been playing everyday since 2003 and I consequently did a few spins over the years

To go more in detail, I think that games developers are creating random games, but (expecially in the last 3/4 years), the same game developers are offering more "tools" to the single casinos, to fix things.
Example: same game offered with different TRTPs on different markets (Italy 75%/85%, UK 95%, Spain 90% and so on).

can I prove it ? Of course not, I am not an insider.

 

[trancemonkey]

I believe slots are random.

I have been playing everyday since 2003 and I consequently did a few spins over the years

To go more in detail, I think that games developers are creating random games, but (expecially in the last 3/4 years), the same game developers are offering more "tools" to the single casinos, to fix things.
Example: same game offered with different TRTPs on different markets (Italy 75%/85%, UK 95%, Spain 90% and so on).

can I prove it ? Of course not, I am not an insider.

Game developers do offer different maths models for different markets and different RTPs... This is completely normal...

 

[brianmon]

Game developers do offer different maths models for different markets and different RTPs... This is completely normal...

So if a casino is carrying a particular game at different RTP rates, for different markets.
Would it be possible for the casino to divert all traffic, for that particular game, to the version of the game with the lowest RTP?

Also, I'd still like to know how MGS get away with not publishing a game's RTP within the help files or paytable. Most providers have the RTP 'hardwired' to the game via the help file or paytable.

I'm interested to know because there is a certain casino platform, who's PlaynGo games are set at 94.x%, rather than the normal 96.x%, this can be seen from each game's help file.
But they also carry MGS games. So how are we to know that those games aren't also set to a lower RTP? since the figure isn't 'hardwired' to the games, as PnG's are.

 

[trancemonkey]

So if a casino is carrying a particular game at different RTP rates, for different markets.
Would it be possible for the casino to divert all traffic, for that particular game, to the version of the game with the lowest RTP?

Also, I'd still like to know how MGS get away with not publishing a game's RTP within the help files or paytable. Most providers have the RTP 'hardwired' to the game via the help file or paytable.

I'm interested to know because there is a certain casino platform, who's PlaynGo games are set at 94.x%, rather than the normal 96.x%, this can be seen from each game's help file.
But they also carry MGS games. So how are we to know that those games aren't also set to a lower RTP? since the figure isn't 'hardwired' to the games, as PnG's are.

As far as I know a casino (in the UK) could theoretically have a different RTP version for every player... Although there are usually only a few different RTPs available and I'm not aware of any reputable casinos doing this... However any game in a UK site must display the RTP in the help pages or the paytable...

 

[Kevin Stark]

Random can be mathematically calculated, so it is possible in slots. It remains only to hope for the honesty of the owners of online casinos.

 

[Igor82]

Random can be mathematically calculated

Say that again, but this time very slowly

 

[Chipkin9]

Game developers do offer different maths models for different markets and different RTPs... This is completely normal...

It shouldn't be though...as it is in no way fair whatsoever. I reckon Scandinavia are getting 1000% RTP then

May I have your opinion on how "Random" NotEnt Jackpots are, do you believe they are at all random?

The example I put forward here may seem absurd, but it is just to prove how lopsided NetEnt Jackpot distribution is.

"The population of all of the Nordic countries combined—Denmark (5,569,077), Finland (5,268,799), Iceland (317,351), Norway (5,147,792), and Sweden (9,723,809)"

That's a combined total population of 26 Million. Let's say half are gamblers who play NetEnt Jacpkot games only. That's 13 Million.

Now Let's just use Germany alone for this example. 81.41 million. Let's say a Quarter of them are gamblers who play NetEnt Jackpot games only. That's 20 Million.

So how come over 80% of Jackpots from NotEnt games are rewarded to Scandinavians?

With my "absurd" example, German players should be winning almost twice the amount of Jackpots as Scandinavian players. Riddle me it please

 

[brianmon]

Say that again, but this time very slowly

From Google:-

pseudorandom

(of a number, a sequence of numbers, or any digital data) satisfying one or more statistical tests for randomness but produced by a definite mathematical procedure.
"most computers have built-in functions which will generate sequences of pseudorandom numbers"

NetEnt use Pseudo RNG's, and probably all the other providers too

 

[trancemonkey]

It shouldn't be though...as it is in no way fair whatsoever. I reckon Scandinavia are getting 1000% RTP then

May I have your opinion on how "Random" NotEnt Jackpots are, do you believe they are at all random?

The example I put forward here may seem absurd, but it is just to prove how lopsided NetEnt Jackpot distribution is.

"The population of all of the Nordic countries combined—Denmark (5,569,077), Finland (5,268,799), Iceland (317,351), Norway (5,147,792), and Sweden (9,723,809)"

That's a combined total population of 26 Million. Let's say half are gamblers who play NetEnt Jacpkot games only. That's 13 Million.

Now Let's just use Germany alone for this example. 81.41 million. Let's say a Quarter of them are gamblers who play NetEnt Jackpot games only. That's 20 Million.

So how come over 80% of Jackpots from NotEnt games are rewarded to Scandinavians?

With my "absurd" example, German players should be winning almost twice the amount of Jackpots as Scandinavian players. Riddle me it please

Firstly... Of course it's fair AS LONG AS the players are told the RTP so they can choose to play the game or not. You don't think a machine in Vegas runs at the same TRTP as a Netent online slot...

Secondly... It's purely dependent on the number of spins... Netent casinos are mainly Scandinavian facing so it's obvious they would have the highest proportion of winners...