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[bebo67]

Dan! Nice to see you! I was just posting about how I found pragmatic play, in demo mode at VS, and how much I like the games! I also posted how horrible the free spins in Wolves Gold is.but the Wolves Gold bonus certainly makes up for it. I am going to forgo Gemix for a month and look at PNG stats to compare with pragmatic. We shall see. Thanks@ Steviedoo for pointing me here

 

[bebo67]

I wen't back and played Wolfs Gold on demo. Did bets of $125, and the free spins paid 5k-12k a pop and were hitting like crazy. So it pays great in high bets.

 

[Steviedoo]

I wen't back and played Wolfs Gold on demo. Did bets of $125, and the free spins paid 5k-12k a pop and were hitting like crazy. So it pays great in high bets.

Dan has a promo going for Cm players for November...

Pragmatic Play - Exclusive Casinomeister November Promotion!

 

[bebo67]

Dan has a promo going for Cm players for November...

Pragmatic Play - Exclusive Casinomeister November Promotion!

I saw that last night.

 

[bebo67]

I went through my deposits and withdrawals on VS last night, and completely disgusted with PNG.

 

[pinnit2014]

I tried that new PNG (new?) Street Magic...like most PNG's i just don't know if they're super High Variance or Super Low. Really can't work (the bulk of them) them out.

I find that PP games like a nice run on high bets, but don't bank on real play being like you're demo session.

 

[Steviedoo]

I tried that new PNG (new?) Street Magic...like most PNG's i just don't know if they're super High Variance or Super Low. Really can't work (the bulk of them) them out.

I find that PP games like a nice run on high bets, but don't bank on real play being like you're demo session.

Demo mode and real mode at any casino has to be the same.

 

[pinnit2014]

Demo mode and real mode at any casino has to be the same.

Well - apart from that one provider recently where it was shown they weren't (not applicable to PP)

 

[Lemon]

Well - apart from that one provider recently where it was shown they weren't (not applicable to PP)

Which provider was that then, out of curiosity?

 

[pinnit2014]

Which provider was that then, out of curiosity?

Name escapes me pal...but some of the casinos I think pulled the slots from their site. I never played the games but apparently the difference between the two was quite palpable with the RTP varying widely between real/demo. As Stevie said though they should/will be the same

In a thread on here somewhere

 

[paul7388]

Which provider was that then, out of curiosity?

There have been a few cases of this.

Most recently Gameart slots ATTN: Casino Rep - Demo play not the same as real - GameArt slots

Playtech were guilty of it for years Playtech Avengers: Fun Mode vs Real Mode Discrepancies?

 

[Steviedoo]

Well maybe dan can chime in here and tell us that demo mode and real mode are the same at casinos.

 

[Dan_Pragmatic]

Hi all,

Demo mode and real play mode are the same for Pragmatic Play slots.

Br,

Daniel

 

[greylady]

I was a right numpty, obviously wasn't paying attention and did 3 x £25 spins on Wolf Gold at Trada by accident before I noticed - all dead

I could have kicked myself

 

[bebo67]

I was a right numpty, obviously wasn't paying attention and did 3 x £25 spins on Wolf Gold at Trada by accident before I noticed - all dead

I could have kicked myself

Oh nooooo. Expensive!

 

[videoslotheaven]

Tried that peking unlucky game again today. What a pile of trash. Have a unachivable top pay and compensate by 90% deadspins and a feature that is harder to trigger than bonanza.

And when it comes around expect nothing less than 0-10x bet.

The whole catalouge of games that they have are like this. Biggest scam in the industry. Even worse that thunderkick. And i diddent think that was possible...

 

[Throwaway10825]

Hey Dan,

I love your slots but noticed this while playing on Ancient Egypt Classic. I usually just turbo spin until I hit a feature but I decided to slow it down today and just leave it on the normal autoplay. I had this screen roll in to trigger a feature,

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. Apologies for not having a screenshot of the actual screen, I didn't have time when I saw it, and thought it would show me the trigger screen after the bonus but it didn't. Shouldn't that trigger screen pay differently? The 3 wilds in a row should pay 10x since they're effectively the best symbol? Not entirely sure if I'm missing anything but it seems to be paying incorrectly.

 

[Dan_Pragmatic]

Hey Throwaway,

I am replied to your PM and I will check with our team just to triple check before I answer.

Br,

Daniel

 

[nikantw]

Hey Dan,

I love your slots but noticed this while playing on Ancient Egypt Classic. I usually just turbo spin until I hit a feature but I decided to slow it down today and just leave it on the normal autoplay. I had this screen roll in to trigger a feature,

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. Apologies for not having a screenshot of the actual screen, I didn't have time when I saw it, and thought it would show me the trigger screen after the bonus but it didn't. Shouldn't that trigger screen pay differently? The 3 wilds in a row should pay 10x since they're effectively the best symbol? Not entirely sure if I'm missing anything but it seems to be paying incorrectly.

No, you should only expect (in any slot) wilds to pay as the best symbol if there is a wild line and the wilds don't have a payout of their own.
If you only have 3 wilds in a line, they transform to the next symbol in the line and pay like that, unless that pay is smaller than 3oak wilds in paytable (in that case it pays 3oak wilds).

Those are general comments about slots.
In your case, the 3 wilds in line 1 transformed as "Q" and paid 4oak "Q", that pay is bigger than 3 wilds in paytable. Then because it is also a scatter, it also paid 3 scatters in paytable (2x bet).
It then paid line 10, 2 wilds and a "Q" as 3oak "Q".

 

[Throwaway10825]

"If you only have 3 wilds in a line, they transform to the next symbol in the line and pay like that, unless that pay is smaller than 3oak wilds in paytable (in that case it pays 3oak wilds). " In the paytable, 3oak wilds would pay 10x bet as they can substitute for any symbol and the highest pay on that line would be a win of 10x. If there was the case of four wilds on line 1 followed by a Queen, that line should pay 100x(4 wilds/cleopatras/explorer in a line) + 20x(4 scatters), or would it pay 15x(full line of Queens) + 20x(4 scatter trigger)?

 

[nikantw]

"If you only have 3 wilds in a line, they transform to the next symbol in the line and pay like that, unless that pay is smaller than 3oak wilds in paytable (in that case it pays 3oak wilds). " In the paytable, 3oak wilds would pay 10x bet as they can substitute for any symbol and the highest pay on that line would be a win of 10x. If there was the case of four wilds on line 1 followed by a Queen, that line should pay 100x(4 wilds/cleopatras/explorer in a line) + 20x(4 scatters), or would it pay 15x(full line of Queens) + 20x(4 scatter trigger)?

In the paytable 3 scarabs pay 2x. When they say "they can substitute" emphasis on "can". You can't substitute all wilds to a Queen all the time!

I explained how it works in almost any slot. The wilds only change into symbols that already exist in the payline and only if it forms a paying combination.

In the example you ask for, 4 wilds and a Queen, all wilds change to a Queen (5oak Queen 500x) and since that is bigger than 4 wilds or 3 wilds that is what the line pays.
But because in this game the scarabs are also scatters, they also award the 4-scatter pay of 20x. You get paid 500x + 20x = 520x.

The only time wilds transform to the highest symbol without it being present, is if you have 5 wilds (in a payline of 5 spots, i.e. wildline) and there is no paytable for wilds.

 

[nikantw]

The interesting question would be what happens with 4 scarabs and any letter after that.
It is interesting because 4 wilds pay more (20x) than 5oak of any letter (10x or 15x). But, reading the paytable again, I don't think wilds in this game pay as stand alone wilds by themselves, unless it is 5 of them in a line.
I think 4 wilds and "J" in a line will pay 10x + 20x for the 4 scatters.

In Blood Suckers 2 for example, 3 wilds and a letter pay 3 wilds, because it pays more than 4oak letter and also there is a paytable for wilds.

I think in this slot wilds don't really have a paytable, unless it is 5 of them in a line.
Hmm, that is for Dan to confirm.

 

[Throwaway10825]

I reread my example and it was a bit confusing, I meant 4 wilds and a Q(the card value, not the top symbol). In that case would you get a full line of Qs or would you get a 4oak wilds?

The wilds don't have there own set pays, but they substitute for any symbol, and each line pays the highest possible pay so shouldn't the wild substitute for a Cleopatra in this instance and the instance with 4 scarabs and a letter after that. The Book of Dead paytable is the same as this in how it's presented with wilds not having their own paytable. In Book Of Dead, if you have 4 books in a line and a letter symbol after that, you get 100x + 20x for the line of books and it ignores the letter symbol on the end.

 

[eizei]

Hey Dan great to see you back. My question is what are the chances of triggering the progressive free spins in Da Vinci once you've hit the 3 scatter trigger? I've heard someone say it's 1/12 but I have no idea whether that's accurate.

 

[Dan_Pragmatic]

Hi Throwaway10825,

So I talked with our product team and in freespins mode, it does not act as wild for the expanding symbol. It would pay if you had 4 scatters in a row like a video you showed there and it would pay the value of what 4 scatters are worth on the pay table.

Br,

Daniel