Sugar Rush 1000 - another bonus buy only super bonus from Pragmatic Play?

[satchnz]

It looks like Pragmatic Play are continuing the disturbing trend of releasing games that have super bonuses that can only be obtained via bonus buys. It feels like they are making slots like these purely for streamers with large or unlimited balances, plus those individuals who are truly addicted and think nothing of paying 500x plus for a bonus buy.

Those of us in jurisdictions that disallow bonus buys are completely out of luck even if we did want to buy a super bonus. Feels like Prag are starting to head the way of NoLimit City.

@Jelena_PragmaticPlay - it would be interesting if you could provide some insight into the direction Pragmatic Play is heading. Is the super bonus via bonus buy only scenario going to become the norm? Big Bass Floats My Boat is another recent release in this category (albeit a Reel Kingdom release).

 

[scott dickson]

This sugar rush 1000 has the same max win as original sugar rush so I'm guessing they just made It higher variance meaning the big wins will be less frequent. Seems kinda pointless to me considering big wins on og sugar rush are few and far between.

 

[satchnz]

This sugar rush 1000 has the same max win as original sugar rush so I'm guessing they just made It higher variance meaning the big wins will be less frequent. Seems kinda pointless to me considering big wins on og sugar rush are few and far between.

I don’t think this is correct. From what I’ve seen online in two different places, Sugar Rush 1000 has a max win of 25,000x with a max win probability of 1 in 12,800,000 spins. The original Sugar Rush has a max win of 5,000x with a max win probability of 1 in 2,340,000 spins.

 

[Valhalla]

This sugar rush 1000 has the same max win as original sugar rush so I'm guessing they just made It higher variance meaning the big wins will be less frequent. Seems kinda pointless to me considering big wins on og sugar rush are few and far between don't exist any more

I felt that needed correcting.

 

[scott dickson]

I felt that needed correcting.

Yeh you are right that was my mistake I seen on a review website that it was 5000x but that has since been updated. But I 100% agree with your statement that the super bonus should also be triggered in base game not just bought.

 

[slot_zombie]

500x cost and in demo play it produced some right stinkers (15x, 20x) so for the rich streamers only.

 

[09237653]

Same problem with Golden Glyph 2 (Quickspin) it has features which are only possible with a bonus buy, kinds sucks knowing as a normal player you have zero chance of ever seeing these bonus rounds which can go really big.

a normal bonus trigger starts with one wild, in feature buys you can start with up to three.

 

[thr0b]

I never worry about not seeing those “huge” bonuses; the win looks impressive, but divide it by 400x (or whatever the buy-in was), and it’s not so good.

 

[09237653]

still takes the p*ss when the feature buy bonus rounds can go to 2000-3000-4000x and a regular bonus will rarely hit 50x.
the way the mechanics on the game work it massively favours the feature buys vs regular triggers.

they used to have a demo on their site so we could try it but its blocked in UK now.

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[justdoit]

I don't play much Pragmatic Play, coz of extra bet is very high and many time you can do 500 spins without bonus, when I do play I make sure I play the game without extra bet and do 50 max 100spins, win or lose I run away, doing bonus buy is way to danger on Pragmatic Play, you can easy end up with 20x-30x return... Fake starters they love Pragmatic Play
Last week I was playing Dog House multi on $1 got bonus return was $0.15 cent

 

[Nate]

Pragmatic Play are some of the toughest slots to win on. The variance is way too high for most games even with their paltry max wins.

Their slots make Bonanza look like a gold mine. As @justdoit pointed out, I've noticed it to be more like 500x (not even 500 spins) most times without even seeing a return on the like of Sugar Rush, Gates and even Dog House.

You will see patterns of 300x to 400x losses then a 100x win. Lose more, win 200x. All of these hits almost never bring you significantly ahead (if you're lucky to get ahead).

If you are willing to buy a feature to win 50x your bet as a max win, you may as well play roulette and have a better chance at scoring a hit.

Their slots are too scripted and to me, almost seem like a script is literally running in the background preventing hits.

IMHO, I'd stay away from all their extra bet and feature buy slots. They are not tailored for the average player but targeted at people who play with fake money most times. The average player cannot sustain 20 feature buys that pay less than your bet 90% of the time. When you hit a big win it's usually 2 to 3 X of the cost of the feature buy. You literally will need to lose a fortune to hit a max win that ends up being just 50x your buy.

I played PP in the past, and got a severe beating. Feature buys, extra bet, base game... All of them suck your balance and play like 80% slots.

It's hard to explain, but those who have wasted their time and money on these slots will concur.

 

[Valhalla]

Whoever designed these games need locked in a room and forced to play the likes of Sugar Rush, only being allowed out of said room once they hit a max win.

 

[Jelena_PragmaticPlay]

Hello @satchnz

Appreciate your feedback and interest in our games!

Pragmatic Play offers a vast range of slots that caters to beginners, casual players and experienced users alike, all of whom have different preferences in terms of themes, features, volatility levels, etc. The idea behind super bonus buys is that the player pays to start the round with a particular advantage - a higher multiplier, lower requirement to retrigger free spins, etc. A super bonus is otherwise the same as the regular bonus. You'll also see in many games that different levels of rewards are available in the regular bonus round depending on how it was triggered, etc.

You may be interested in some of our latest and upcoming game releases, such as Big Bass Floats My Boat, Gears of Horus, and Strawberry Cocktail (coming out in two days). These slots have low hit frequencies, meaning there's a relatively higher chance of triggering the bonus round during normal gameplay (than you might expect in many other games).

We hope this helps - and thanks again.

 

[satchnz]

Hello @satchnz

Appreciate your feedback and interest in our games!

Pragmatic Play offers a vast range of slots that caters to beginners, casual players and experienced users alike, all of whom have different preferences in terms of themes, features, volatility levels, etc. The idea behind super bonus buys is that the player pays to start the round with a particular advantage - a higher multiplier, lower requirement to retrigger free spins, etc. A super bonus is otherwise the same as the regular bonus. You'll also see in many games that different levels of rewards are available in the regular bonus round depending on how it was triggered, etc.

You may be interested in some of our latest and upcoming game releases, such as Big Bass Floats My Boat, Gears of Horus, and Strawberry Cocktail (coming out in two days). These slots have low hit frequencies, meaning there's a relatively higher chance of triggering the bonus round during normal gameplay (than you might expect in many other games).

We hope this helps - and thanks again.

With all due respect, your "shilly" marketing reply does not help in the slightest. I had only one question for you and that was are we to expect the Super Bonus via Bonus Buy only feature to become the norm for Pragmatic Play new releases?

You also recommended another Pragmatic slot that I actually mentioned in my original post, being in the same category (i.e. has a Super Bonus that can only be triggered via a Bonus Buy).

From your reply, and avoidance of the only question asked, I can only assume that this is Pragmatic Play's future direction. Disappointing.

 

[toms596]

To be fair a rep isn't going to have the ability to say yes our games are shit

 

[satchnz]

To be fair a rep isn't going to have the ability to say yes our games are shit

Agreed, but it would be nice to see a little transparency. To ignore the question and market other games instead wasn't great either.

 

[thr0b]

I don’t think there’s much more she could reasonably have been expected to add; she’s explained the reasoning behind the super bonus buy. We in the UK can’t get it, but that’s not a Pragmatic/operator choice, and it doesn’t impact on the game itself.

And if you don’t like the game, play another.

 

[satchnz]

I don’t think there’s much more she could reasonably have been expected to add; she’s explained the reasoning behind the super bonus buy. We in the UK can’t get it, but that’s not a Pragmatic/operator choice, and it doesn’t impact on the game itself.

And if you don’t like the game, play another.

I asked a specific question - is this going to become a trend for Prag games. I know the reasoning behind a super bonus as that is obvious. My question wasn’t specific to just this game, but this game is an example of an emerging trend.

If you don’t think that being able to reasonably access the maximum potential of a game due to it being limited to certain sectors of the market then that’s your personal choice. Not everyone shares this view.

I asked a simple question and got a marketing spiel instead, and was asked if it helped.

 

[goatwack]

I don't think this is beholden to one company or developer but an industry trend whereby the illusion of greater success can be attained over having to 'grind' out a favourable yield over many hours' play.

The consensus seems to be favouring life-affirming big wins over entertainment and player engagement, whereby slot design is largely driven by streamers and their acting range, and as the winnings displayed, and stakes placed, move away from everyday, usually mundane, slotting.

You got the tail wagging the dog, and so these games don't really serve regular Joes in their pursuit of turning £50 into £120 over four hours' attrition, nor is there any visual appeal in such menial and incremental triumphs.

Far better then to paywall the brass tacks of a game and have players bypass the churn. We live in a time of instant gratification, and modern slotting is no different.

I'd imagine then that yes, this is the M.O of Prags as well as other developers, where this blueprint is requested and eventually normalized, irrespective of regional lockouts

 

[Valhalla]

I don't think this is beholden to one company or developer but an industry trend whereby the illusion of greater success can be attained over having to 'grind' out a favourable yield over many hours' play.

It's certainly true as well.
To be fair, despite my moaning, I've won a fair chunk of money since December (somewhere in the region of £6k after deposits are subtracted). The issue is, all the wins I've had - several over £1k - have been "one hit wonders", huge wins in bonus games on DoA1 & 2, and Primal Megaways, and then the game(s) reverted back to being God-awful to play.

Primal gave me a bonus after 25-ish completely dead spins, retriggered, and landed a whopper of £1,100 on a single free spin. It has been dead since.
Dead or Alive 1 & 2 played exactly as you might expect those games to play, but still dropped in enormous wins here and there.
Tombstone RIP is brutal, but out of nowhere it dropped in a 1600x win in the base game, and carried on being brutal.

It's the same on any other game I play - I haven't been sitting playing a game for any length of time then gradually win. It has been all or nothing each time. As soon as I get a big win I have to withdraw because playtime for money doesn't exist any more from what I can see.

 

[Guntis]

I asked a specific question - is this going to become a trend for Prag games. I know the reasoning behind a super bonus as that is obvious. My question wasn’t specific to just this game, but this game is an example of an emerging trend.

If you don’t think that being able to reasonably access the maximum potential of a game due to it being limited to certain sectors of the market then that’s your personal choice. Not everyone shares this view.

I asked a simple question and got a marketing spiel instead, and was asked if it helped.

Try *snip* using a secret code: No frippery, Big Bass needs a boat.

[maxd says: see below]

 

[Guntis]

It actually would be interesting to collect a bunch of questions and send them to *snip*, and see what she says, assuming she replies.

[maxd says: targeting individual casino staff isn't the way to lodge a complaint about a game, name removed.]

 

[goatwack]

Judging by her appearance, she doesn't strike me as someone to mess with

 

[satchnz]

It actually would be interesting to collect a bunch of questions and send them to *snip*, and see what she says, assuming she replies.

Look, I bitch and moan just as much as everyone else. But sometimes I feel this is unproductive so I try to venture a little further to get some answers. I was fully expecting the Prag rep on here to toe the company line, but I got my nose a little out of joint when I was recommended one of the very games I was questioning. To me that was a bit insulting and displayed that my concern was not taken seriously.

But for every one of us who don’t like the direction slots are heading, there is always someone else who just accepts what is happening and chooses to play something different. The problem I see with that is eventually there won’t be anything else to choose and it may be too late at that point.

Interestingly, on the Twitch gambling stream I watch (made up of several different streamers), at least three of them have mentioned how they think it is a bit rough that the Big Bass Floats My Boat super bonus cannot be landed in the base game. At least there is some awareness amongst the people these features are targeted to. But of course they continue to buy the super bonus…

I’m not sure much more is going to be achieved here but I’m happy to continue to contribute to discussions.

 

[dunover]

Here's another 'super bonus' buyer lol



The 'Even Deeper' (in the shit) bonus is a joke. It throws in loads of useless multiplier wilds so the multiplier rises to the endgame target before you can win anything.