Guts,Videoslots and Betat overhyped? Piss poor payouts!

[lotusch]

Great post mathsboy1975.

 

[whodatrec]

Well.....

I have tried to stepp back and look at this as variance and bad luck, but the fact of the matter is this kind of bad luck is extremly unlikly..

Even after i cashed out over 12000 euros from betsson i had an extremley bad run that i would concider to be doubtfull if it was random. But the kind of bad luck im having at Betat is even worse... Been playing the same games at the same betsize at another casino also on a small deposite and had a totally diffrent experience than Betat. Seams it dossent matter what game i play it just sucks.

Im sure the wolfs will come running and sweep this under the carpet with statments such as; bad luck, variance, problem gambler and so on. Might be.. But if this is the norm when it comes to gambling nobody would play at all.

Totall losses is somwhere in the 5-6000 euros range( if the spreadhseet i got was correct,running on a shitty computer right now so coulden get the excel file to open correctly) never cashed out. Think my best session i was ahead 400 or some.
The last 4 days best has been 100 ahead on a 250 euro deposit. Lost thousands of euros the past week never ever seing a cashout. Is this luck? I have over 5 years never seen anything like this... The more i have complained here the worse it has gotten. Im strarting to think its very likley to be rigged.

I have basicly lost all my savings in this casino, basicly Betat has ruined my life!

Now i might be stupid for playing, yes, but what are the odds of not even seeing 10% of my losses in a cashout? I have not been near that.. Its just discusting and insane. This whole industry is prolly as currupted as it comes.. There are a few decent people on this forum aswell but alot of you im sure are just here to smooth things over when someone complains to much. Like no, no its all RANDOM, yeah right!! I know alot of people agree but wont dare to speak their minds.. Im done...

Take care

 

[paul7388]

Okay I can see you are mad because you have lost a fortune. Sorry but it is just bad luck whether you like it or not. Many people win regularly at all the casinos you are moaning about but you seem to think that somehow they see you are playing then rig them to make sure you lose.Was only the other month you were sure the casinos rigged games at end of month as they had paid out to much that month. See from your last post BETAT have ruined your life as you have lost your savings there. So basically you have a gambling problem and after losing way to much you need someone to blame or some conspiracy theory to explain the fact you have lost way too much. If it helps then blame the casinos but anyone reading your posts would just look at them and think you obviously have some sort of gambling problem and are looking for anyone to blame but yourself.

 

[mathsboy1975]

This whole industry is prolly as currupted as it comes.. There are a few decent people on this forum aswell but alot of you im sure are just here to smooth things over when someone complains to much. Like no, no its all RANDOM, yeah right!! I know alot of people agree but wont dare to speak their minds.. Im done...

But if this is how you feel about it why play at all???? We all know the games are designed for the casino to win and the player to lose - if you think it is corrupt on top of that then why play at all??

 

[lotusch]

I think gambling is the wrong hobby for you sir!
If we all would constantly win with gambling we could all quit our job,right?
What about people playing the lotto for 40 years and never won anything decent,is the lotto rigged too?Because others play only 3 weeks and hit the jackpot.
Slots would work the same i.m.h.o....It is to be there in the right place at the right time.
I lost big amounts playing slots too and over my 20 year slots carreer I am probably down a nice big villa in Spain and maybe a nice car too.
But hey,I haven't a single regret as I love to play them and enjoy the occasional big win.
Also I mostly play within my budget so no issues with losing my bankroll as I can afford it.
For me it is entertainment and it is one of the few things that relaxes me in the evening when my kids are in bed and I have a few hours to myself.

I think your whole approach to gambling is wrong.

Maybe you really should stop and find a different less risky/expensive hobby.

 

[whodatrec]

Ok i have coolen of alittle.
First of i would like to appologise to anyone i have offended including Betat

Thing is i dont really have anyone to talk to about my gambling, well my friends know i gamble but its hard to talk about gambling with people who dont gamble. Hence my somtimes rambling angry posts here in frustration.

Obviously i have a issue when it comes to gambling, thing is i usually have it under controll but whenever i have issues in my personell life i seam to gamble more... To forget i guess.. Im not looking fore any sympathy its just the last 6 months has been very hard for me. Problems with my back thats affecting my job and my psyce. Feeling depressed and anxiety. The other day i even spilled a cola all over my 2000euro macbook, so as you might think i have gotten allitle worked up latley. After spending 2k on a new computer and then going on an insane losing streak was just to much fore me. Im sorry

Its just sometimes i feel like i wanna destroy my computer(ironic) smash something or just kill myself(dont worry i wont) just pure frustration.

So again im sorry if i offended anyone

 

[lotusch]

Ok i have coolen of alittle.
First of i would like to appologise to anyone i have offended including Betat

Thing is i dont really have anyone to talk to about my gambling, well my friends know i gamble but its hard to talk about gambling with people who dont gamble. Hence my somtimes rambling angry posts here in frustration.

Obviously i have a issue when it comes to gambling, thing is i usually have it under controll but whenever i have issues in my personell life i seam to gamble more... To forget i guess.. In not looking fore any sympathy its just the last 6 months has been very hard for me. Problems with my back thats affecting my job and my psyce. Feeling depressed and anxiety. The other day i even spillef a cola all over my 2000euro macbook, so as you might think i have gotten allitle worked up latley. After spending 2k on a new computer and then going on an insane losing streak was just ti much fore me. Im sorry

Its just sometimes i feel like i wanna destroy my computer(ironic) smash something or just kill myself(dont worry i wont) just pure frustration.

So again im sorry if i offended anyone

It is allright bro,no one will condemn you for that I am sure...
Like I said before,we all went through the same periods of utter despair when no slot on any casino hasn't been good for you...
Maybe try to relax a bit more when playing,play with the thoughts that whatever you deposit is gone...
Then I assure you,at least it works for me,playing slots is much more fun as you know the chances of losing are far bigger then winning...
IF THEN you manage to win,it feels so much sweeter!And if you lose,well that was already calculated.

 

[whodatrec]

I think fore now its best to play Xbox

 

[mathsboy1975]

Ok i have coolen of alittle.
First of i would like to appologise to anyone i have offended including Betat

Thing is i dont really have anyone to talk to about my gambling, well my friends know i gamble but its hard to talk about gambling with people who dont gamble. Hence my somtimes rambling angry posts here in frustration.

Obviously i have a issue when it comes to gambling, thing is i usually have it under controll but whenever i have issues in my personell life i seam to gamble more... To forget i guess.. Im not looking fore any sympathy its just the last 6 months has been very hard for me. Problems with my back thats affecting my job and my psyce. Feeling depressed and anxiety. The other day i even spilled a cola all over my 2000euro macbook, so as you might think i have gotten allitle worked up latley. After spending 2k on a new computer and then going on an insane losing streak was just to much fore me. Im sorry

Its just sometimes i feel like i wanna destroy my computer(ironic) smash something or just kill myself(dont worry i wont) just pure frustration.

So again im sorry if i offended anyone

If it is having that kind of effect on you it could be time to take a total break for a few months. Hobbies are supposed to help you relieve the stresses of life, not make things worse! I always find jogging/running helps when things get on top of me but if you have back trouble I suppose that is not possible. Maybe go see your doctor about the depression and anxiety. Whatever you do do not let it build up as that makes it worse.

 

[spintee]

Naming and shaming casino's for personal bad runs/losses is not nice i.m.h.o.
Especially since you seem to have bad luck with some very very reputable casino's.
Those guys offer you the service which is for you to be able to play slots or whatever casino game suits you.
Maybe if you have issues with certain slots you could approach the customer service of those slot providers (Netent/MGS/WMS).
A casino is just a platform where you are able to play those slots.
And I do understand how frustrating it is if it seems that the slots are all against you but believe me,I had similar streaks on accredited casino's but instead of complaining I rather PM a rep here or e-mail CS if they might give you a comp.
Most accredited casino's I play at will mostly always give you a decent comp after a very bad streak.
And believe me I have had and still do have my portion of very bad streaks,I have one as we speak on Novomatic Slots,last 4k deposits over last few weeks not a single decent hit or the ability to cashout...So yeah it sucks but hey I am the one choosing to play them.

But thinking those casino's can influence the outcome of your RTP or amount of money you will win or lose is a waste of your time.
Don't think casino's online would have much customers if this would be the case.

Also I wish to point out that it is easier for landbased casino's to get their slots rigged as they have access to the cabinets and they would be able to set the RTP higher or lower,at least I know in Holland most slots can be altered pretty easy as I used to own a good few slots myself.

So I am sorry you have a bad run but we always seem to blame the casino's for those while we forget about the good wins we had which I am sure of you had a good few in your gambling carreer.

Wish you the best of luck and may lady luck visit you soon in one of those casino's,great casino's that I would recommend to any of my friends without hesitation by the way!

Mark.

Got to say naming and shaming is not good, Said it many times b4 If people get a good win than its the best thing since sliced bread, If lose than its a rouge joint,

I can honestly say I have neteher outed a casino, I put a few bad words against against afew but only the truth,

But please bear in mind this is what is all about, We no what the sore is as so does just about every other person, If people put casino down than its a false accusation than we know better, If people come on here and sign up just to make a complaint than again we can see this, Yes putting a bad name against a good casino is not good but like I said we now beeter what to read,

 

[spintee]

Ok i have coolen of alittle.
First of i would like to appologise to anyone i have offended including Betat

Thing is i dont really have anyone to talk to about my gambling, well my friends know i gamble but its hard to talk about gambling with people who dont gamble. Hence my somtimes rambling angry posts here in frustration.

Obviously i have a issue when it comes to gambling, thing is i usually have it under controll but whenever i have issues in my personell life i seam to gamble more... To forget i guess.. Im not looking fore any sympathy its just the last 6 months has been very hard for me. Problems with my back thats affecting my job and my psyce. Feeling depressed and anxiety. The other day i even spilled a cola all over my 2000euro macbook, so as you might think i have gotten allitle worked up latley. After spending 2k on a new computer and then going on an insane losing streak was just to much fore me. Im sorry

Its just sometimes i feel like i wanna destroy my computer(ironic) smash something or just kill myself(dont worry i wont) just pure frustration.

So again im sorry if i offended anyone

1st of all Theres no need to apolgies to any 1, We all have ow demons, If any time you would like to pm me than I will try my best to help you, I might not be much good but I can say 1 thing is that many times I not thought about it but have chuch laptops agisnt the wall and its not good,
Im here if anything needed

 

[whodatrec]

I just got a PM from Igor and he was willing to go to great lenghts to put my mind at ease. Kudos for this.

Maybe its all as you say bad luck and variance. Atleast Igor was willing to be as transparent as possible about the workings of the games and such so im sure Betat is fair. As he also adviced me i decided to take a break from gambling across all casinos.

I still like to be on this forum tough, as i enjoy reading and having discussions about shitty slots But i have now excluded myself from all casinos.

 

[Valhalla]

Its just sometimes i feel like i wanna destroy my computer(ironic) smash something or just kill myself(dont worry i wont) just pure frustration.

So again im sorry if i offended anyone

Oh I know that feeling all too well

Nice one coming back to apologise. Takes guts
Although there's probably no need; I think the people on here have heard it all before and are thick skinned

 

[andym]

Open your eyes guys!

As mentioned in a couple of threads in the last months its not a single casino that sucks.

Its the provider. Bad payouts everywhere since a couple of months.

you need only to check the BigWinThread.

It seems that the online gaming industry needs a lot of money these days.

And if you still think everything is random - good luck to everyone!!

 

[whodatrec]

Yes, i stand firm in my belif that the software providers are not as transparent about things as we would like. I doubt the games are 100% random in the way they are presented to be random.

 

[Azzurri]

After first seeing this thread's title in the new posts results, I thought whoa, not going near that! However, after seeing the pages grow to 4, curiosity got the better of me, and I thought I'd take a peek and make sure no one got their head ripped off yet, lol.

Well I'm glad I did.

First off whodatrec, I feel your pain and frustration, and you're not alone mate. I too have been on a bad run, and I can assure you I truly feel your pain, as my pain has been north of yours from a monetary point of view. This has been going on months for me, and includes rtp's ranging from 30-60% at all my regular favorite sites.

If I'm being totally honest, there were a couple of occasions where I tried a new site for the bonus boost, and didn't cash out when I should have, but when you're on a losing streak then get an unexpected win, it's all too easy to throw common sense out the window, and in an attempt to milk the win, you just end up contributing further to that losing streak.

Those occasions aside, my favorite sites have not been kind to me, and like you, it's become that bad, that regardless of deposit bonuses and the like, my sessions have become extremely short and painful. It's so bad, that lately I have found myself having a longer period of entertainment waiting to make a deposit in the express que at my local bank.

The thing is, our hobby is such an isolated autonomous activity, that it's so easy to get lost in our own selfish thoughts and paranoia. I've done it, and I'm sure the majority of members here have done it at some point. My point is, you're no exception to the rules. We've all been there, and it sucks, but don't let it get you too down mate.

This we do know. The seemingly endless losing streaks we experiences are no one's fault, but evil random coincidence. Don't worry, I have cursed every casino I've ever played at, including my favorites, but at the end of the day, they're an innocent outlet for our frustrations, and the only influence they can have over our game play, is the ability to sometimes extend our short sessions with comps. Knowledge is power mate, and the more I researched, the more clear things became.

In my opinion, you are the perfect example why I have no issue with members venting here about losing. Yes you made a minor rookie mistake by naming the casinos unfairly, but you know what, I'm sure all the reps are big enough and experienced enough to see it for what it is, accept your apology, and move on. For me, yours is the perfect example why, just as we discuss and celebrate wins, we should also embrace and disect losses.

By encouraging open discussion, win or lose, good or bad, we are more likely to reach the core of the situation, and get the full picture. If we didn't allow that to happen here, we would have never reached page 4, and your brave confession. Now, we can't help repay your losses, but whilst coming to terms and dealing with them, we can sure be an open ear or a non judgemental helping hand. If it's helpful, I say vent away.

Of course, only you know the severity of your impulses, but I urge you, if you feel your control slipping, regain that power by acknowledging it, and taking that brave step to seek out professional guidance. It takes a brave person to share the personal feelings and circumstances you have here, so if there was any self doubt, know that you've already proved your own strength here.

If you think is it's not that bad, then you can still make some changes yourself, rather than letting the experience change you.

From personal experience, I would suggest taking a break completely, or, for a few weeks or months, reduce the size of your deposits, and take advantage of various casinos weekly or monthly match bonuses.

This talk of deposit sizes having any relevance to winning or losing is nonsense. If you're going to win, you'll win, or vice versa. And don't be put off by wr's on bonuses, as you'll find with smaller deposits the wr's are much lower, so if you're meant to win, you'll meet the wr before you even realize.

All the best.

 

[amourgirl]

Curiosity got the better of me, and I thought I'd take a peek.

You know what curiosity did to the cat

 

[Azzurri]

You know what curiosity did to the cat

Yep. It retreated in defeat after learning the cat still had another 8 lives.

 

[whodatrec]

The thing is i truly want to quit gambling all together.. I have managed to keep my spending on a budget for the most. By limiting my play to one or two places with 1000 NOK a month deposit limit. But i have a tendency to go overboard when i lose. And it was my own stupid misstake for not setting a deposit limit here.

I have over the years come to the conclusion that its very,very hard for me to quitt gambling all together so hence the attempts to controll it. But the problem is there are 5 new casinos popping up every week. But ive managed to stopp signing up for the most since alot of the newer ones have insaaaane WR on welcome bonuses(Saw one the other day with a 60x D+B!!!!!!!!!!)

I have despite my losses and such been very lucky. I have won alot of money online and this year im prolly ahead despite my recent losses.

Gambling has bought me a new 4K tv,Ps4,Xbox One, computers,ipad,iphone and such... Maybe this is where my problems lay? I have had so many huge cashouts that i expect them to happen regularly. Altough i have been more modest in my recent cashout thresholds. I usually never cashed out less than 10x deposit. Now i might cash out 5x deposite depending on the session. But when you have had 10+ cashouts of 50-100x deposite over a periode of 7-8 months i guess you kinda feel as if doubling your money is nothing. But i have had a hard time recentley and i think only once the last 3 weeks have i had a win of 6 times my deposit. and never doubled the deposite or maybe iw as close to.

There is no doubt in my mind tough, just take a look at recent slot designs NetEnt in particular its getting harder and harder to win.

And despite my losses i never,ever spend my household money on gambling. Ever! It just sucks when you blow thousands on gambling that you could have spent on something better...

 

[lotusch]

There is no doubt in my mind tough, just take a look at recent slot designs NetEnt in particular its getting harder and harder to win.

Netent I have to agree is horrible...
A lot of people praise DOA and I see the same people over and over again posting 1000x+ stake wins on this monster,yet I did not get higher then a single 400x stake in around 60k spins...
But hey,random and a dose of luck I suppose...
But are the slots rigged?No because enough people win on them also.

Another example,CFTBL in my opinion THE WORST slot EVER made.
My wins in free spins IF they land,134 coins,160 coincs,65 coins,98 coins,114 coins etc etc etc.
An endless string of useless crazy dissapointing bonus rounds so nowadays I play the slot 100-200 spins and maybe one day it will spit out the big one for me,same as on DOA really.
Never ever came close to kill the monster yet or even unlock extra wilds,insane that machine.

So I play Netent very seldom as I absolutely do not like the way their slots are designed pay wise.
I can count my 500x + bet wins on Netent slots on 1 hand probably.

 

[whodatrec]

Netent I have to agree is horrible...
A lot of people praise DOA and I see the same people over and over again posting 1000x+ stake wins on this monster,yet I did not get higher then a single 400x stake in around 60k spins...
But hey,random and a dose of luck I suppose...
But are the slots rigged?No because enough people win on them also.

Another example,CFTBL in my opinion THE WORST slot EVER made.
My wins in free spins IF they land,134 coins,160 coincs,65 coins,98 coins,114 coins etc etc etc.
An endless string of useless crazy dissapointing bonus rounds so nowadays I play the slot 100-200 spins and maybe one day it will spit out the big one for me,same as on DOA really.
Never ever came close to kill the monster yet or even unlock extra wilds,insane that machine.

So I play Netent very seldom as I absolutely do not like the way their slots are designed pay wise.
I can count my 500x + bet wins on Netent slots on 1 hand probably.

I have been very lucky on DOA imo the best slot. Yes it will go on looong streaks with shitty bonus rounds but eventually it hits and then you hit big on low bets. All other Netent slots you have to bet big to win. My worst enemy is MG tough. All those 243 ways to lose slots... WMS seams to give the most playtime and cashouts fore me, but they can also go on insane streaks. Had some very nice wins on Ruby slippers

 

[petro]

Haha, well if i was smart i wouldent gamble at all... But i never heard of a casino not accepting Norwegians.

Now that I think about it, I think I was thinking of people from the Netherlands. But, my original point still stands.

 

[andym]

NetEnt and MG - both are terrible since this year.
From slot to slot its getting more and more horrible.
And when you check the bigwins from slots as IR or Playboy you clearly can see that the payoutrate and the "randomness"-factor changed during the last 14 months.
But hey - everything is coooompleteleeeey random, isnt it!?

 

[mrmark21]

I don't play any of them, except for Play N Go they sem naturally random and tese days I go with my gut feeling - so only Play N Go for me. The rest are mosstly rubish and it get's a bit like throwing you're oney away without even the entertainment or excitement.

 

[andym]

The rest are mosstly rubish and it get's a bit like throwing you're oney away without even the entertainment or excitement.

So true. But not only "a bit"