Grand Privé wants to get out of the Rogue Pit

Should the Grand Prive casinos be placed on probation?

  • Yes, put them on probation - I think they have a chance to be de-rogued.

    Votes: 96 31.0%
  • Nope, they don't deserve to be de-pitified.

    Votes: 146 47.1%
  • I have a neutral stance on this.

    Votes: 68 21.9%

  • Total voters
    310
  • Poll closed .
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Issue with grandprive non pay

I am going to pitch a bitch now about Villafortuna casino, If they pay me I have nothing against them although what they did to me is far from being nice , They havent paid my winnings
 
Casinomeister hosts the official Rogue Casino site - coining the phrase in the year 2000
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another members has not been paid, grand prive said its under new managment and bad guys r gone. it looks like new managment are playing same games ripping players off, i personal think these guy will never ever change i think they just love ripping players of
 
Thirdly there is the issue of the accredited system and how it will impact other companies letting GP back in. I feel it is diluting the Casinomeister brand and what Bryan stands for if he lets these guys back in.

So after voting yes I am now in the no camp! Bryan don't do this! I think it's time to draw a line in the sand over this one. I am not a fan of the affiliate model but surely these guys should be paid their dues or at least a reasonable proportion.
Bryan has NEVER said he is considering making them accredited, just removing them from the Rogue List.
There is an enormous difference in those two things.

KK
 
She said that basically the affiliate program was costing them more in administration than it was bringing in, hence the re-vamp. They apparently had the data to demonstrate this for the proposed meeting which did not happen.

This is really worrying - they're saying they decided the aff program wasn't cost effective so just chose to not honour their contracts.

In theory with that attitude if they run a promotion or bonus that they then decide isn't cost effective they'll just screw over all of the players involved.
 
... She told me that she, along with some of the top Grand Prive executive scheduled a meeting with Bryan and others at (I think it was ICE London?) and that the CM people were a no-show. Is this correct Bryan?

If I recall correctly I was with Bryan at the time. We were at the designated meeting place at the scheduled time -- as far as we knew -- but no one came to meet us. Bryan would have called them to find out what was up but his phone battery was dead and he'd forgotten his recharger at home. We had another meeting shortly thereafter so after waiting around for 20 mins or so we moved on. I can't say what took take place after that insofar as the GP meet was concerned.

Bryan has NEVER said he is considering making them accredited, just removing them from the Rogue List.
There is an enormous difference in those two things.

Quite so! Bryan specifically says "de-rogued" and "de-pitified" in the poll. That very clearly means "out of the Rogue Pit" not "onto the Accred list".
 
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I used to play at Grand Prive when they were MG. I played enough, that they kept me on their contact list after the affiliate problems and was taken out for dinner when Kia, a Grand Prive rep from South Africa toured Canada and was in Toronto on the Grand Prive re-launch post MG.

I did not really know all the affiliate problems / history, but she brought it up when we met. She told me that she, along with some of the top Grand Prive executive scheduled a meeting with Bryan and others at (I think it was ICE London?) and that the CM people were a no-show. Is this correct Bryan? She said that basically the affiliate program was costing them more in administration than it was bringing in, hence the re-vamp. They apparently had the data to demonstrate this for the proposed meeting which did not happen.

Obviously, affiliates disagree and I respect their stake- especially the point that Dominique has made that what they owed was relatively small. But if this is true, why did you not honour their meeting and are entertaining their request to consider them getting out of the rogue pit now? Why didn't you give them the opportunity to provide their case and provide a solution?

And, why not allow them to make their case on the forum? Isn't this the time for transparency?

My night out/ dinner with "Kia" was lovely and really focused on everything outside of gambling. I was impressed indeed by her and her human-ness. Don't know if she is still there and I have no interest in whether they are in or out as, aside from the free chips she gave me to try out the games, I have not played since.

It would be remarkable if someone from GP showed their face in this forum and actually posted. Oh, I'm sure they read it. They always have.

But over all the years whenever a very real problem would arise, no one from GP would make comment, or even so much as contact the player, or sign up as casino rep here at Casinomeister. Head in the sand, ya know. They always liked to pretend to be rather 'above it all'.

Are things different now? I don't know. I doubt it. And don't really care. I don't trust them.
 
I have mixed feeings on this one. I have never had any issues with grand prive on any of there software - played at lot at casino grand bay when MCG- don't play there now because I don't like the software.

Normally I would say give a chance but with a much extended probation period than usual however having read this thread and seen issues with affs. players, regulating bodies and software providers I would vote no untill

1) former issues are cleared
2) Management responsible for the decisions that led to the above is changed

In its current state I would have to vote no. We have seen this "reform promises" before Ex WOL members may remember the virtual groups promises of reform and chances given (and subsequenr screwover of players). Unless they are prepared to take full responsibility for the past actions (and it appears they aren't) then they should stay rogued.

An alternative (don't know if it's possible) is to leave them in the pit and put them on extended. extended probation with the possibility of deroguing if they fix issues and maintain standards over a long haul period. If they agree to that then there is some possibility intent is genuine rather than a quick fix.
 
I used to play at Grand Prive when they were MG. I played enough, that they kept me on their contact list after the affiliate problems and was taken out for dinner when Kia, a Grand Prive rep from South Africa toured Canada and was in Toronto on the Grand Prive re-launch post MG.

I did not really know all the affiliate problems / history, but she brought it up when we met. She told me that she, along with some of the top Grand Prive executive scheduled a meeting with Bryan and others at (I think it was ICE London?) and that the CM people were a no-show. Is this correct Bryan? She said that basically the affiliate program was costing them more in administration than it was bringing in, hence the re-vamp. They apparently had the data to demonstrate this for the proposed meeting which did not happen.

Obviously, affiliates disagree and I respect their stake- especially the point that Dominique has made that what they owed was relatively small. But if this is true, why did you not honour their meeting and are entertaining their request to consider them getting out of the rogue pit now? Why didn't you give them the opportunity to provide their case and provide a solution?

And, why not allow them to make their case on the forum? Isn't this the time for transparency?

My night out/ dinner with "Kia" was lovely and really focused on everything outside of gambling. I was impressed indeed by her and her human-ness. Don't know if she is still there and I have no interest in whether they are in or out as, aside from the free chips she gave me to try out the games, I have not played since.

I did meet with them in Vegas last fall. I saw a bunch of correspondence. The correspondence was between them and Microgaming, and it pretty much showed that Microgaming was responsible for the big mess that happened years back when they switched to a new platform, from Referspot to Grand Prive. It showed nothing about when they decided to ditch affiliates.

The talks went well and I came away thinking that things would be solved and even made a positive post at AGD about it.

But - very little happened. A few affs were paid settlements, others not.

This meeting came a couple years after the fact, and now it's been almost another 6 months and nothing happened. And I guess they are not planning for anything else to happen or they likely would have finished settling before approaching Bryan.
 
I say from the get go before this poll some Rep from Grand Prive should of came here and told the membership here.
Instead they are lurking around looking at what is said here and saying jack...^&(*(.
I say state your case & lets get things on track.
& the first issue is Pay everyone off that is due to them.
Thanks
~T~
 
Bryan has NEVER said he is considering making them accredited, just removing them from the Rogue List.
There is an enormous difference in those two things.

KK

Ta for the correction got my probation and baptism by fire mixed up in my enthusiasm last night :oops:.

I am still going 'NO' though even though I oroginally voted 'YES'.
 
I think everyone deserves the chance to redeem themselves- even Grande Prive' casinos which I've heard have royally screwed things up in the past. If they cannot do better, than they won't get out of the pit anyhow so I voted yes.

Maybe I'm just a forgiving person, and maybe its because I don't know enough about the past and what they have done, but I like to think that businesses can learn from their mistakes and make the necessary changes to better themselves and repair the damage.
 
If I recall correctly I was with Bryan at the time. We were at the designated meeting place at the scheduled time -- as far as we knew -- but no one came to meet us. Bryan would have called them to find out what was up but his phone battery was dead and he'd forgotten his recharger at home. We had another meeting shortly thereafter so after waiting around for 20 mins or so we moved on. I can't say what took take place after that insofar as the GP meet was concerned.



Quite so! Bryan specifically says "de-rogued" and "de-pitified" in the poll. That very clearly means "out of the Rogue Pit" not "onto the Accred list".

If memory serves, I remember a couple of years ago when GP invited Bryan to come to costa rica (all expenses paid) and Bryan turned them down, that Bryan is a perdy smart guy... ;)

I personally missed the point about the Accreded list.
So I am sure others did as well. Might want to spell it out for those of us that are a little slower... :p
 
Lets face it, Grand Prive set a date to contact Bryan to be put out the Rogue Pit before they even screwed there affiliates over. That's how business works!!

I hate it in life when this happens, they new what would happen and now they have to face the consequences. NO LET OFF!!
 
Lets face it, Grand Prive set a date to contact Bryan to be put out the Rogue Pit before they even screwed there affiliates over. That's how business works!!

I hate it in life when this happens, they new what would happen and now they have to face the consequences. NO LET OFF!!

I doubt they have this level of intelligent forward planning, otherwise they would not have kicked affiliates to the curb in the first place.

I suspect they went for "short term gain" by closing the affiliate operation, but hanging on to the players. This allowed them to renege on the lifetime commission deal, yet STILL make profit from the players. They made quite a few moves to disguise this, the first being to directly contact players telling them the LIE that the main 5 casinos would close soon, and to move their play to Villa Fortuna. This then allowed them to "prove" that the players referred by the affiliates had deserted in droves, and justified the closure of the scheme. They also fooled eCogra, because the data used in the investigation referred to the 5 original casinos, which the earlier move had stripped of many active players, hence the startlingly low amounts owing at the end of it. Requests to widen the scope of the calculations from eCogra were stonewalled, because GP realised that the "Villa Fortuna trick" might emerge, and inflate the sums owing.
The whole thing was driven by them thinking why they should pay affiliates around 30% of the profits from the players, when they could avoid this by cutting them out, and marketing directly. In the short term analysis, this was a profitable move, and in the short term, it worked.

GP didn't think that "short term gain" is often followed by "long term pain". The aches started when the affiliates did NOT just "walk away", but fought on for a fair deal. GP didn't consider that these affiliates would then start to work AGAINST them as a punishment for the thorough screwing they received. This lead to GP being added to a number of rogue pits (including this one), which eventually ensured that much of the information available on the internet about them was negative. With no affiliates, there was NO balancing information showing them in a positive light, as would be the case when affiliates try to ensure that the casinos they promote are attractive to players.

Finally, they learn that this was a big mistake, and that they CANNOT prosper without the affiliate community on their side, so they come crawling back hoping for forgiveness. Considering this was mostly a screwing over of AFFILIATES, rather than players, the fact that this poll has gone so much against them being let out of the pit shows just HOW deep seated the negativity has become.

Things have not been helped by the fact that they made further mistakes trying to turn things around, which has made them look VERY bad indeed. The screwing over of the Kahnawake and Microgaming demonstrates to others that they have no fear of screwing ANYONE, let alone the poor humble player. It also makes players think that if they again face trouble from their licensing jurisdiction, they will simply bail again, rather than stick to the rules.
 
I think the whole issue of GP screwing over affiliates has been well documented, but I would like a little more information on how some players were screwed over (not saying that one is worse than the other).

There are a few players here who say they are still owed money by them. Can someone direct me to a thread or elaborate on what issues caused GP to not pay certain players? Thanks!
 
I think the whole issue of GP screwing over affiliates has been well documented, but I would like a little more information on how some players were screwed over (not saying that one is worse than the other).

There are a few players here who say they are still owed money by them. Can someone direct me to a thread or elaborate on what issues caused GP to not pay certain players? Thanks!

definition of LAZY

a : disinclined to activity or exertion : not energetic or vigorous b : encouraging inactivity or indolence <a lazy summer day>
2: moving slowly : sluggish


definition of IGNORANT

ig·no·rant adj \ˈig-n(ə-)rənt\
1a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>

What you asked for is more info on the issue to learn more about what happened.

That makes you NOT lazy and NOT ignorant.

See, I was not bad mouthing folks, just telling it as I saw it. And there ya go. :p
 
definition of LAZY

a : disinclined to activity or exertion : not energetic or vigorous b : encouraging inactivity or indolence <a lazy summer day>
2: moving slowly : sluggish


definition of IGNORANT

ig·no·rant adj \ˈig-n(ə-)rənt\
1a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>

What you asked for is more info on the issue to learn more about what happened.

That makes you NOT lazy and NOT ignorant.

See, I was not bad mouthing folks, just telling it as I saw it. And there ya go. :p

:p:thumbsup:

(lazy post, I know)
 
My thoughts

Well I have played there recently a couple of times and from what I've seen the slots have got worse. You can spin all day and never hit nothing not even the triggered features. My opinion is they only wish to be out long enough to gain money and then start their mess all over again or because they know the way the slots are situated now , no one will ever win much.
 
I personally missed the point about the Accreded list.
So I am sure others did as well. Might want to spell it out for those of us that are a little slower... :p

:confused: Sorry, not sure I understand what you mean.

If you are referring to this:
Bryan specifically says "de-rogued" and "de-pitified" in the poll. That very clearly means "out of the Rogue Pit" not "onto the Accred list".

Then "de-rogued" means being removed from the Rogue Pit. "de-pitified" means the same thing. As KK said, being let out of the Rogue Pit is a very different thing than being added to the Accred list. At no time was being added to the Accred list suggested here, at least not by us.

My apologies if you were just trying to be funny, I missed that. Attach Removed (Old not found)
 
Max or Bryan can you give us the number of people that have approached you guys about or tried to file a PAB against GP in the last couple of years?


@max I was really serious, I did miss that point. I looked at it and thought they were asking to be put on the accredited list. Just getting slow in my old age.... ;)
But it still does not change my vote.
 
In General in the online gaming business you can't remember casinos all of their bad practice from all time, they suffer mistakes they make by themselves like Grand Prive offered life time commission to affiliate and when they got into some financial problems they decided to cancel it, I believe the are ok with players not so bad to be in the black list area
 
We all have our views on this issue and voting yes by no means is asking for an open door to being accredited.

Many of us have been following these forums and issues for a long time, our membership time does not reflect what we know or don't know, as to what we have observered over the years with casinos, forums, the voices of it's members and personal experiences.

My vote is simply for the players that choose to play this software, is so they have an avenue if a problem occurs.

There should also be a stipulation that past issues need to be resolved in a satisfactory manner, this would show genuine desire for this group to be seen in a different light if they wish to continue with success to some degree, afterall, their software certainly isn't going to do it alone.

I personally have tried them many times with their free chips they are always sending out and not once have I met WR. The slots can spin endlessly, the features can never to rarely come, I have only seen the freespin feature on the western slot, once in the years off and on I have tried them, not just GP, but all with this software. So the software alone has no real appeal to me personally.

As for CM, his end decision is his alone and inuendos of his reputation being affected does not do him justice or honor and is not the issue.
 
Max or Bryan can you give us the number of people that have approached you guys about or tried to file a PAB against GP in the last couple of years?

That'll actually take a bit of effort. I'll be working on a monthly report in the next few days so maybe I can do it then.

Even with that number though you have to keep well in mind that once a casino is in the Pit the number of complaints we receive drops way off. A lot of people actually read the PAB rules and see that PABs against Rogue casinos are a "no go", so they don't bother. Ends up making Rogue shops look a lot better _after_ they are Rogued than they did before the black-listing. Attach Removed (Old not found)
 
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