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Like Gamstop also advise on their site behind same provided link:

GAMSTOP may not be able to spot inaccuracies or other differences in account details, and we may not be able to prevent you accessing accounts you have created using, for example, email addresses that you have not provided to us as part of the registration process. GAMSTOP will operate on the basis of the information you have provided at registration and we will not be responsible for failure to spot errors made on your part.

It's not casino who have access to all Gamstop excluded player information but casino send certain details to Gamstop and if there are enough matches, players login will be prevented. There is no any way that casinos themselves could make it more strict, for example that name and DOB would give positive result, it's fully maintained by Gamstop who have clear criteria how many matches in details need to match to give positive answer for request and prevent login.

Many casinos have their own systems which check self-exclusion done through their license (which they naturally have access as these are their customers who have given these details, Gamstop can't share their registered player details with all casinos but they complete these checks behalf of casinos on every login or registration from UK player), these casinos in theory could make to match even if first letter of surname is excluded (which of course wouldn't make any sense but just to try make it clear that casinos own self-exclusion and Gamstop are two very different things and you can't really compare them or blame casinos software when Gamstop fails to recognize player).

As you see, they themselves speak about Gamstop may not be able to spot inaccuracies or differences, the check is completed by them, not by casinos (casinos just send player details on every login or registration and Gamstop give one of their three replies and based on that, casino let or block player). If only your name and DOB match and other details not, Gamstop don't block you and there really is nothing casino could do to recognize that player is in Gamstop.

System could be much better but now it's very clear that which details are used to recognize player and how many need to match that Gamstop recognize you, if there are not enough of them, casino just can't anyhow recognize such player (unless player has been previously their customer and casino holds all information, then often player will be spotted with less matching details than Gamstop does).
 

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I am not sure why are you asking such nonsense things , when in reality even on the gamstop page is written clearly:
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.


Now let's highlight the most important part :
"Since 31 March 2020 all businesses licensed to provide online gambling services to individuals in Great Britain must be part of the GAMSTOP scheme as part of the licence granted to them by the Gambling Commission" What exactly you don#t understand from this?

Now lets go to the part you are questioning...The part where casino software in your opinion do not take the responsibility of somehow to be connected to the gamstop databases. For me is enouf even the last sentence..why because i dont F care how you do it.You need to do it , and if it is there and has been agreed by UKGC then it is possible. But let#s continue the show:

"During your self-exclusion, you will be prevented from accessing any accounts with online gambling operators registered with the Gambling Commission that match the details you have provided to us as part of your application"
I am not British and maybe my English is not so well, but Colin can you explain me what do you think the last sentence means? And who told you btw that casino don't have access to the Gamstop database. If they don;t have then how it is possible that the process is automated when you register a new account with a casino ?
I already explained how it works.
The sentence you ask me to explain, clearly says 'that match the details you have provided to us', yet the OP clearly says some details were changed.
You said Mark's answer makes you sick, but a casino don't have access to the database. They aren't allowed to, as there are actual laws that prevent them from doing this, the GDPR.
I think the Gamstop system is flawed, but blaming a rep for it's failings, when they have absolutely no control over it, is wrong.
 

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You need it for work too? So what you are saying is, if you got a job with say GalaBingo, you would refuse to give them your NI number as they are a gambling business?
There's no way a casino could find out what benefits you are on from a NI number, and again, when you have to go through a SoW they would find out anyway surely? On top of that, a lot of employers include the NI number on payslips, so if you have to send them in, the casino will see it anyway. All gamstop needs is a yes/no answer from HMRC as to if the NI number matches the name. Even if you are worried about a casino having access to your NI number, then they wouldn't even have access to that info as it would be sent to gamstop, who only provide a Y/N answer to the casino. If someone inputs a fake number, then the check fails, and they are prevented from playing.

Ok fair enough.
 

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I already explained how it works.
The sentence you ask me to explain, clearly says 'that match the details you have provided to us', yet the OP clearly says some details were changed.
You said Mark's answer makes you sick, but a casino don't have access to the database. They aren't allowed to, as there are actual laws that prevent them from doing this, the GDPR.
I think the Gamstop system is flawed, but blaming a rep for it's failings, when they have absolutely no control over it, is wrong.
Right so we are speaking about a database correct? I know something about databases and the way they are builded.
So we have Primary keys and secondary keys...If i am planing to use this database to create a system i need to have in mind that users wich will enroll in thus system they have problems , and they will definitely try to work around at some point.
So the op said that his brother used same name,dob,address . well for me that is definitely a selection of primary keys. In fact , if i want it to make it more effective , i will not even say that the name should be a primary key. So basically it is impossible to me that when WH asked gamstop about the details, gamstop was failing because tel nr and email was different which definitely are secondary keys.


We are speaking here and we have our thinking's , but Collin did you ever had the chance to see how this procedure is working , to see it in action?? Or you just read what casino Reps are telling you ?
 

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My issue with GamStop is that the casinos are actively scanning for it even if you don't attempt to log in to your account. My understanding was it's a short "YES/NO" query on registration or attempted log in, but that is NOT the case.

When I took a short break using it, I never tried to log in to any casino, but when the GamStop exclusion was lifted, I was not welcome back at any of the casinos I previously played at - accounts all disabled in one way or another because they all knew I was on GamStop. So I could either log in but not allowed to deposit or play, or just not allowed to log in at all. That's just wrong.
 

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Right so we are speaking about a database correct? I know something about databases and the way they are builded.
So we have Primary keys and secondary keys...If i am planing to use this database to create a system i need to have in mind that users wich will enroll in thus system they have problems , and they will definitely try to work around at some point.
So the op said that his brother used same name,dob,address . well for me that is definitely a selection of primary keys. In fact , if i want it to make it more effective , i will not even say that the name should be a primary key. So basically it is impossible to me that when WH asked gamstop about the details, gamstop was failing because tel nr and email was different which definitely are secondary keys.


We are speaking here and we have our thinking's , but Collin did you ever had the chance to see how this procedure is working , to see it in action?? Or you just read what casino Reps are telling you ?

I can say that i've been reading through too many pages of Gamstop and how it's working and it's like i tried to explain with my bad English.

There are no primary or secondary keys, all details are exact equal, there are certain amount of details and certain amount of matches needed, it's really simple and there is no any space for casinos to get around it to make it match easier or not to match even enough details do match, it's purely handled by Gamstop and casinos only call that database and get one of these 3 answers Gamstop do provide.

There is no way that casino could get positive match from Gamstop if name and DOB match if other details not (there need be enough details what match exactly), that's how it made and it's not made by casino but regulator and casinos don't have any control of it. It's very easy to get around if when just adding fake details but there is no way casinos could spot these as casinos don't hold Gamstop registered players details (and not having access to that database to make it more efficient).

We all probably agree that it's fcked up built when change of email or phone number is equal to change of DOB (there are no any primary or secondary keys) but that seem to be best what UKGC was able to come out with so blaming casinos about it is just not right as there are no tools how casino could make it alert easier, for example for only DOB and name.

Casinos just don't have any tools to get better access to these personal information, it's fully maintained by Gamstop. Casinos usually can be blamed for many things but in this one, it's just wrong address. For these gambling addicts who are so sick that they want to register with fake details and not keeping information up to date, something much more than Gamstop is needed to help these people.
 

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I can say that i've been reading through too many pages of Gamstop and how it's working and it's like i tried to explain with my bad English.

There are no primary or secondary keys, all details are exact equal, there are certain amount of details and certain amount of matches needed, it's really simple and there is no any space for casinos to get around it to make it match easier or not to match even enough details do match, it's purely handled by Gamstop and casinos only call that database and get one of these 3 answers Gamstop do provide.

There is no way that casino could get positive match from Gamstop if name and DOB match if other details not (there need be enough details what match exactly), that's how it made and it's not made by casino but regulator and casinos don't have any control of it. It's very easy to get around if when just adding fake details but there is no way casinos could spot these as casinos don't hold Gamstop registered players details (and not having access to that database to make it more efficient).

We all probably agree that it's fcked up built when change of email or phone number is equal to change of DOB (there are no any primary or secondary keys) but that seem to be best what UKGC was able to come out with so blaming casinos about it is just not right as there are no tools how casino could make it alert easier, for example for only DOB and name.

Casinos just don't have any tools to get better access to these personal information, it's fully maintained by Gamstop. Casinos usually can be blamed for many things but in this one, it's just wrong address. For these gambling addicts who are so sick that they want to register with fake details and not keeping information up to date, something much more than Gamstop is needed to help these people.
There is no way if we are speaking about a "database" do not have primary and secondary keys(you can ask anyone who work in this area).
In this case NAME,DOB,ADDRESS was the same (at least this op is saying) so it was more then enough to lets say give a yellow flag , and i am pretty sure (just my personal thinking ) that the query was comeback with such a result, as was more then 50% matching details(i have the courage to say 80%)

So you never see this system in action , you only read about it and what casnino reps are telling you around here. Neither do I i was not seeing it , but there is no way that the system can fail on such amount of data provided. Speaking strictly to this case!

The bottom line for me is that UK citizen should be happy that they have UKGC , wich not let gambling operators make the same jungle as it is out there, with streamers having "play responsibility" logos o their videos , and doing 500 bets. Not to speak that their RNG's are not applying , and they win day by day on same slot. Imagine the impact on a gambling addiction person. And hey they are playing on the same casinos which they also have UKCG license.
 

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Right so we are speaking about a database correct? I know something about databases and the way they are builded.
So we have Primary keys and secondary keys...If i am planing to use this database to create a system i need to have in mind that users wich will enroll in thus system they have problems , and they will definitely try to work around at some point.
So the op said that his brother used same name,dob,address . well for me that is definitely a selection of primary keys. In fact , if i want it to make it more effective , i will not even say that the name should be a primary key. So basically it is impossible to me that when WH asked gamstop about the details, gamstop was failing because tel nr and email was different which definitely are secondary keys.


We are speaking here and we have our thinking's , but Collin did you ever had the chance to see how this procedure is working , to see it in action?? Or you just read what casino Reps are telling you ?
and again, you are talking about the failings of the gamstop system, yet my point is that you said Mark's post 'made you feel sick' when he, or any casino/rep, don't have any control over what you are complaining about.
It is akin to me saying you make me feel sick as the gamstop system has serious failings.
 

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and again, you are talking about the failings of the gamstop system, yet my point is that you said Mark's post 'made you feel sick' when he, or any casino/rep, don't have any control over what you are complaining about.
It is akin to me saying you make me feel sick as the gamstop system has serious failings.
I will stick to the same sentence , because they are always here to wash their companies faces and always blame the "software's" , but if you look to their company returns yearly it is amazing how much money they can make on a 2-4% from RTP#s of the games.
I am not the one who is complaining about in this thread , it was my personal way to see the facts.
I am pretty sure that in this case if the op saying are True , it was impossible that the query was coming back with "green" , once again we are speaking about NAME,DOB,ADDRESS match!
You are "sick" about gamstop , but in this thread where a user used only a different email adrress , who was kinda positive about it
Account opening whilst registered on GamStop - Casinomeister Forum
 

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I will stick to the same sentence , because they are always here to wash their companies faces and always blame the "software's" , but if you look to their company returns yearly it is amazing how much money they can make on a 2-4% from RTP#s of the games.
I am not the one who is complaining about in this thread , it was my personal way to see the facts.
I am pretty sure that in this case if the op saying are True , it was impossible that the query was coming back with "green" , once again we are speaking about NAME,DOB,ADDRESS match!
You are "sick" about gamstop , but in this thread where a user used only a different email adrress , who was kinda positive about it
Account opening whilst registered on GamStop - Casinomeister Forum
Again, none of that is the fault of the casino or rep. You clearly have a grudge against reps and casinos, which begs the question, why are you on a casino focussed forum?
You have gone from feeling 'sick' because a rep posted in the thread, to complaining that a business makes money. While you were in the UK did you go into Tesco and tell them how you feel sick as they make money?
You can be pretty sure of things all you like, but you are wrong, as we have seen this time and time again. As for linking to that thread, I have not said I think this situation should have happened, in fact I don't think it should have, and gave, what I believe to be a solution, but it isn't any rep's fault, and to slag them off for posting is out of order.
 

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There is no way if we are speaking about a "database" do not have primary and secondary keys(you can ask anyone who work in this area).
In this case NAME,DOB,ADDRESS was the same (at least this op is saying) so it was more then enough to lets say give a yellow flag , and i am pretty sure (just my personal thinking ) that the query was comeback with such a result, as was more then 50% matching details(i have the courage to say 80%)

So you never see this system in action , you only read about it and what casnino reps are telling you around here. Neither do I i was not seeing it , but there is no way that the system can fail on such amount of data provided. Speaking strictly to this case!

You can think what you want to think but i've been reading Gamstop provided material and worked in quite many integrations in that.

It works really simple, there X amount of details it needs Y amount to match to give you positive, there are nothing more in there, no any almost matches like like you seem to think. This check is made every single time when UK player login to casino, it's not very possible to give all these logins very specific answers and then expect casinos to manually check them. You might have some idea how many logins/registration every day is coming from UK players.

I've seen quite many replies from Gamstop in different scenarios and gone through quite many if they should have match or not. I haven't seen Gamstop itself handling these queries as never been consulting Gamstop but i have no reason to believe that they would provide fake information to casinos who they expect to implement and comply with this system.

Name, DOB and Address very often are not enough to give positive match.

You can share some more educated knowledge how Gamstop works but so far you just keep calling other people stupid who don't understand how something is working (even it seems that you're not really familiar with it yourself?).
 

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Again, none of that is the fault of the casino or rep. You clearly have a grudge against reps and casinos, which begs the question, why are you on a casino focussed forum?
You have gone from feeling 'sick' because a rep posted in the thread, to complaining that a business makes money. While you were in the UK did you go into Tesco and tell them how you feel sick as they make money?
You can be pretty sure of things all you like, but you are wrong, as we have seen this time and time again. As for linking to that thread, I have not said I think this situation should have happened, in fact I don't think it should have, and gave, what I believe to be a solution, but it isn't any rep's fault, and to slag them off for posting is out of order.
On a funny way i will respond to your first question like this : Because i have the freedom to do so !
Second is not that i have a grudge against all casinos. Only on some winch are using all kinds of tricks to make your life really hard , when is not necessary.
Yes indeed the key word is "business" , but to have that business you need to respect some rules, which some of them are always trying to workaround on that rules and blame the systems.
I can be sure of my thinking's, but you also DID NOT SEE HOW EXACTLY THIS PROCEDURE IS WORKING , you only read about it , and what casino rep's are telling you.
Again my words here are based on this case , and not a general view of the gamstop issues.
 

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On a funny way i will respond to your first question like this : Because i have the freedom to do so !
Second is not that i have a grudge against all casinos. Only on some winch are using all kinds of tricks to make your life really hard , when is not necessary.
Yes indeed the key word is "business" , but to have that business you need to respect some rules, which some of them are always trying to workaround on that rules and blame the systems.
I can be sure of my thinking's, but you also DID NOT SEE HOW EXACTLY THIS PROCEDURE IS WORKING , you only read about it , and what casino rep's are telling you.
Again my words here are based on this case , and not a general view of the gamstop issues.
ok, so please enlighten me on the workings of gamstop and how changing details is counteracted?
Also, are you suggesting Gamstop are lying about how they work?

Our matching service works by us storing your registration data on our database. The operator asks for the same information from users registering for their sites and sends this data to our matching services. If the two sets of information match we return a positive result and the operator will prevent that user logging in or registering with them.
 

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You can think what you want to think but i've been reading Gamstop provided material and worked in quite many integrations in that.

It works really simple, there X amount of details it needs Y amount to match to give you positive, there are nothing more in there, no any almost matches like like you seem to think. This check is made every single time when UK player login to casino, it's not very possible to give all these logins very specific answers and then expect casinos to manually check them. You might have some idea how many logins/registration every day is coming from UK players.

I've seen quite many replies from Gamstop in different scenarios and gone through quite many if they should have match or not. I haven't seen Gamstop itself handling these queries as never been consulting Gamstop but i have no reason to believe that they would provide fake information to casinos who they expect to implement and comply with this system.

Name, DOB and Address very often are not enough to give positive match.

You can share some more educated knowledge how Gamstop works but so far you just keep calling other people stupid who don't understand how something is working (even it seems that you're not really familiar with it yourself?).
Right , i am not sure why are you trying to make this personal. I did not call nobody stupid , in fact you by saying "you just keep calling other people stupid who don't understand how something is working" you are telling me that i am stupid.
Is really strange that you have work with this system , you are saying the word "query" , but you are saying that somehow is not about how much data is match from a query , is just a straight answer of yes or no . If that the case then the gamstop process is absolutely a total failure. Wich i tend to strongly disagree.
In the end i will stick to my thinking , as in this world things tend to be complicated , but at the base they have simple things , like a big building who looks amazing and complicated , but it is made by small bricks. That being said and knowing a bit of how a database works , it is impossible that a database query with at least 3 important fact is returning with a green answer for the casino.
 

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ok, so please enlighten me on the workings of gamstop and how changing details is counteracted?
Also, are you suggesting Gamstop are lying about how they work?

Our matching service works by us storing your registration data on our database. The operator asks for the same information from users registering for their sites and sends this data to our matching services. If the two sets of information match we return a positive result and the operator will prevent that user logging in or registering with them.
Definitely not...lol. I am saying that if gamstop when he is doing the query to their database , and 3 important things are matching up , it is impossible to me to think that they give green. In fact , all this will be useless and pointless if you have a system which flag only 100% matching details . Again have in mind that this system was designing to work against his own users which will definitely try to get a work around
 

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If you wanna make big enough bet and ready to make NDA with some big company, i'm happy to take side against your assumptions/guessings/feelings or where ever you get these opinions that it's impossible that something works as it works.
 

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I mean to be fair, I really do not understand why GamStop just did not create a proper system so when casinos signed up to GamStop that they get login details to the GamStop servers and databases. That way they can do their own checks instantly against players account details a player inputted when they registered for their casino account at one of those casinos.

I mean as a web dev, It would not be to difficult to create such a system. All it requires is a UI for casinos when they login to the GamStop website that gives them access to the GamStop database. But they will only see results once they input details they have already got from the player they are checking. So they will not be able to see everyone in a browsable database, but rather they will have a search function to search the database and it just displays the result if a match is found for the details entered.

To further strengthen the system it could also easily be required that the result has to include result and matches in 3 or more inputted fields in order for the result or match to be displayed, if a casino tried searching with just entering the postcode and no other details then the search function would not work and they would not be able to press the search button. That is a fail safe system, so basically the only way they can get a result and search is by entering at least 3 or more fields, like name, post code D/O/B etc etc those 3 could be the main 3 that is required for a match to be displayed.

I think the reason why they have not made a system where if a casino signs upto GamStop and they integrate it into their casino database, it could cause conflicts in the database and could cause data loss due to minor coding conflicts between different databases trying to be merged or integrated etc etc.

Just my 2 pennies worth again anyway :)

As it stands GamStop seems pretty damn useless if people can still get around it. Especially if casinos who are signed up have to send an email requesting to see if a player who signed up is on the GamStop register or not is pretty damn lame. It should be mandatory that every new sign up gets checked the second it is created. So it creates a JOB queue system internally in the casino that they then have to manually email GamStop for each new customer/signup/ticket created etc etc. But if they used my system above I suggested it would be far easier and quicker for casinos to just login and check themselves rather than waiting for a response from GamStop with details if they have a match or not etc etc.

I mean to be fair, I could probably create a basic system myself in a matter of a few weeks. It is not too difficult. It is basic database fetches, that is all.
 

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Casinos don't send any email but just "call" Gamstop with player details and get answer right away, it doesn't even many seconds. That can be one reason why it's not really idiot proof as every casino have to complete this check every time any UK player register account or login to their account and amount of logins from UK is quite big every hour. Then if there would be these "possible matches" that casinos would need to verify manually, it would be really annoying for many players who always would need to wait for manual approval before they can login.

Because that check is fully automated, there is only really simple response from Gamstop which is totally depending if there are enough matching details. I don't think many UK player here feel big delay in every login even this Gamstop check have to be completed every single time. Making it anyhow manual process is not really realistic option. Also if casinos could have option to make effort how/what etc... it would create situations where some casinos would fckup with or without purpose and all wouldn't be in same level in these checks.

Now it's 100% handled by Gamstop, casinos have to send them (which happen automatically every time UK player register or login) certain details and they send an immediate response, there is no any gray areas, it is a match or not and afterwards it's really easy to see if casino failed (which really don't happen that often what could imagine from posts all over the internet, problem is that people who want, can quite easily circumvent it but when you are in that state, you should get much more help than Gamstop block).
 

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Casinos don't send any email but just "call" Gamstop with player details and get answer right away, it doesn't even many seconds. That can be one reason why it's not really idiot proof as every casino have to complete this check every time any UK player register account or login to their account and amount of logins from UK is quite big every hour. Then if there would be these "possible matches" that casinos would need to verify manually, it would be really annoying for many players who always would need to wait for manual approval before they can login.

Because that check is fully automated, there is only really simple response from Gamstop which is totally depending if there are enough matching details. I don't think many UK player here feel big delay in every login even this Gamstop check have to be completed every single time. Making it anyhow manual process is not really realistic option. Also if casinos could have option to make effort how/what etc... it would create situations where some casinos would fckup with or without purpose and all wouldn't be in same level in these checks.

Now it's 100% handled by Gamstop, casinos have to send them (which happen automatically every time UK player register or login) certain details and they send an immediate response, there is no any gray areas, it is a match or not and afterwards it's really easy to see if casino failed (which really don't happen that often what could imagine from posts all over the internet, problem is that people who want, can quite easily circumvent it but when you are in that state, you should get much more help than Gamstop block).

Ok I see.
 

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I mean to be fair, I really do not understand why GamStop just did not create a proper system so when casinos signed up to GamStop that they get login details to the GamStop servers and databases. That way they can do their own checks instantly against players account details a player inputted when they registered for their casino account at one of those casinos.

I mean as a web dev, It would not be to difficult to create such a system. All it requires is a UI for casinos when they login to the GamStop website that gives them access to the GamStop database. But they will only see results once they input details they have already got from the player they are checking. So they will not be able to see everyone in a browsable database, but rather they will have a search function to search the database and it just displays the result if a match is found for the details entered.

To further strengthen the system it could also easily be required that the result has to include result and matches in 3 or more inputted fields in order for the result or match to be displayed, if a casino tried searching with just entering the postcode and no other details then the search function would not work and they would not be able to press the search button. That is a fail safe system, so basically the only way they can get a result and search is by entering at least 3 or more fields, like name, post code D/O/B etc etc those 3 could be the main 3 that is required for a match to be displayed.

I think the reason why they have not made a system where if a casino signs upto GamStop and they integrate it into their casino database, it could cause conflicts in the database and could cause data loss due to minor coding conflicts between different databases trying to be merged or integrated etc etc.

Just my 2 pennies worth again anyway :)

As it stands GamStop seems pretty damn useless if people can still get around it. Especially if casinos who are signed up have to send an email requesting to see if a player who signed up is on the GamStop register or not is pretty damn lame. It should be mandatory that every new sign up gets checked the second it is created. So it creates a JOB queue system internally in the casino that they then have to manually email GamStop for each new customer/signup/ticket created etc etc. But if they used my system above I suggested it would be far easier and quicker for casinos to just login and check themselves rather than waiting for a response from GamStop with details if they have a match or not etc etc.

I mean to be fair, I could probably create a basic system myself in a matter of a few weeks. It is not too difficult. It is basic database fetches, that is all.
The GDPR also would create problems in doing it that way, not saying it isn't possible, but logistically it would be a nightmare.
For example, if a casino is given access to the full database, then they are only one step away from being able to download the entire database, and a rogue employee flogging the info to casinomir or some shite affiliate. We know affiliate managers and casino staff sell customer data, so imagine the worth of that type of data to non gamstop casinos.

Name, DOB, first 3/4 digits of a postcode should be all thats needed for a positive match. Email and telephone number shouldn't even be looked at. I have unlimited email addresses available, and 3 phone numbers. I can call in the £ shop and get a three or o2 sim and have a new number in about a minute, without even having to top up.
 

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The GDPR also would create problems in doing it that way, not saying it isn't possible, but logistically it would be a nightmare.
For example, if a casino is given access to the full database, then they are only one step away from being able to download the entire database, and a rogue employee flogging the info to casinomir or some shite affiliate. We know affiliate managers and casino staff sell customer data, so imagine the worth of that type of data to non gamstop casinos.

Name, DOB, first 3/4 digits of a postcode should be all thats needed for a positive match. Email and telephone number shouldn't even be looked at. I have unlimited email addresses available, and 3 phone numbers. I can call in the £ shop and get a three or o2 sim and have a new number in about a minute, without even having to top up.

I do not think you understood what I said lol

They would not have access to the full database as a "Browsable" database, it would just be access to search a database with 3 fields that all have to be entered to return a result. If 1 of the 3 match, then 0 results would be found! Only way a result would display is if all 3 matched and it would display only 1 result!

There would be no way for any of the accounts to get a list of the full database. Also your reply is also flawed. You say that they already sell data on, Well if they work for a casino they already have access to the casinos user database already! So why on earth would they even want to have access to GamStop database too anyway. But like I said, they would not have full access to it to see everyone in it or download it or get ahold of it. They would get 1 result if they enter 3 fields of user data and if those 3 fields entered return no match then it would mean that they are not on GamStop and it would not give a result.

But anyway it was just an idea I had of a system I think is pretty easy to create.
 

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I do not think you understood what I said lol

They would not have access to the full database as a "Browsable" database, it would just be access to search a database with 3 fields that all have to be entered to return a result. If 1 of the 3 match, then 0 results would be found! Only way a result would display is if all 3 matched and it would display only 1 result!

There would be no way for any of the accounts to get a list of the full database. Also your reply is also flawed. You say that they already sell data on, Well if they work for a casino they already have access to the casinos user database already! So why on earth would they even want to have access to GamStop database too anyway. But like I said, they would not have full access to it to see everyone in it or download it or get ahold of it. They would get 1 result if they enter 3 fields of user data and if those 3 fields entered return no match then it would mean that they are not on GamStop and it would not give a result.

But anyway it was just an idea I had of a system I think is pretty easy to create.
But surely thats what happens now? The casino submit the data, the gamstop database is searched, and a response is issued, how is that different to what you are saying?

They have access to the casino database, not every database held by every casino in the UK. A 'non gamstop' casino would pay a lot more for a list of every single person who has excluded in the UK than a list of every single player who has excluded from a single casino, I would have thought that were obvious?
 

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But surely thats what happens now? The casino submit the data, the gamstop database is searched, and a response is issued, how is that different to what you are saying?

They have access to the casino database, not every database held by every casino in the UK. A 'non gamstop' casino would pay a lot more for a list of every single person who has excluded in the UK than a list of every single player who has excluded from a single casino, I would have thought that were obvious?

nvm @colinsunderland - agree to disagree lol
 

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nvm @colinsunderland - agree to disagree lol
I genuinely don't see what the difference is - can you explain a bit more what you mean? I read it as you think the casinos should check themselves for a data match rather than gamstop doing it, but I don't understand why it matters who does it?
If it's the database selling you mean, then surely a list of say 100000 self excluded customers is worth more than a list of 1000?
 

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I genuinely don't see what the difference is - can you explain a bit more what you mean? I read it as you think the casinos should check themselves for a data match rather than gamstop doing it, but I don't understand why it matters who does it?
If it's the database selling you mean, then surely a list of say 100000 self excluded customers is worth more than a list of 1000?

But you do not get my point! they would not get a list of 100000 customers. That is the whole thing you are completely overlooking. So I will stop replying and again I say agree to disagree. :)
 
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