Bitch and Moan Fortune lounge complaint

Perez777

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Hi guys!

I want to warn people about the Fortune lounge network!


Never play there, stop a choice on giants, such as *32 red* and others better.


I made the deposit to the room * platinum play * and I rose to $900. Here it is unexpected, during a prokrut of the slot (immortal) on the account $250 in the form of a bonus were added! I from anybody didn't ask it! I already used all bonuses on deposits!I because of it couldn't withdrawl money!

The operator in a chat told that it is a gift and a bonus it is necessary to beat off to remove money. Naturally I didn't beat off it, it is the death sentence to my money!
Generally I lost $3000 + there. This beastliness.

Guys, they will make everything that you didn't remove decent money!

Think 100 times before doing here the deposit!



There is one more problem, but it is heavy to me to describe it, my English isn't really good. (I from Russia)
 

jshort

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Never play there, stop a choice on giants, such as *32 red* and others better.

FYI; 32Red does this too. So long as you don't start playing with it, you can request to have it removed and you'll be able to withdraw your previous winnings.
 

chayton

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The first deposit bonuses at a lot of casinos are added automatically, and it can take up to 30 minutes so it's a bit annoying. I got caught like that myself once when they added a tourney win (which was a bonus with wagering requirements) while I was playing without a bonus - it was for a small amount so I didn't notice. Of course I lost trying to make playthrough also.

Once you realized they'd added a bonus, you should have stopped playing. Once you've made even on bet then it can't be removed, and live chat wouldn't be able to do it anyhow. They have this term in the
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30. If you do not want a promotion bonus that has been deposited into your Bonus Balance by the casino, you may request to have that promotion bonus removed from your Bonus Balance. Such a request can be made by email or telephone. If any wagering of a promotion bonus has taken place, then that promotion bonus may not be removed from your account until the wagering requirements associated with that promotion bonus have been met.

The rep for Fortune Lounge here is very responsive and helpful though and he might have been able to do something, but now you've played and lost and it's too late. :(
 

fortunelounge

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Hi guys!

I want to warn people about the Fortune lounge network!


Never play there, stop a choice on giants, such as *32 red* and others better.


I made the deposit to the room * platinum play * and I rose to $900. Here it is unexpected, during a prokrut of the slot (immortal) on the account $250 in the form of a bonus were added! I from anybody didn't ask it! I already used all bonuses on deposits!I because of it couldn't withdrawl money!

The operator in a chat told that it is a gift and a bonus it is necessary to beat off to remove money. Naturally I didn't beat off it, it is the death sentence to my money!
Generally I lost $3000 + there. This beastliness.

Guys, they will make everything that you didn't remove decent money!

Think 100 times before doing here the deposit!



There is one more problem, but it is heavy to me to describe it, my English isn't really good. (I from Russia)

Hi Perez777

Please PM me with your account details so I can look into this.

Regards

Wim
 

chuchu59

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The problem with bonuses at FL doesnt stop there. Even if you zero out after being unable to clear WR n a bonus, $2 worth in bonus playthrough is always carried over. Ya heard it right, a measly 2 bucks but this always holds true. Something wrong with the bonus system but the amount is so small most players tend to ignore it.
 

Perez777

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Guys, aren't necessary to me this money and I ask nothing. I played in many casinos, lost $8000 in a month, but I didn't come up against such situation.

I used all bonuses on the deposit, and would never agree to a bonus in 250, after all it is the death sentence.


I played long enough, the account grew to 900+, and to me the next 3 scatters in Immortal Romance.Bo slot bonus time the account dropped out grew also I noticed a suspicious increase over it.


I played a little, and I decided to remove money, but there was a plate that it is necessary to win back a bonus. I passed into a chat to the operator and asked as me to remove means and that it for a bonus,
he told that it is a gift and I need to play before removing means.It is a stick in wheels.


Further, I lost about $2500 more there, here I am guilty.
 

Perez777

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The most ridiculous, I wrote down this session by the Camtasia program, but I can't find video. I will try to restore it by means of the program and to lay out on youtube.
 

fortunelounge

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Mar 7, 2003
Location
South Africa
Hi guys!

I want to warn people about the Fortune lounge network!


Never play there, stop a choice on giants, such as *32 red* and others better.


I made the deposit to the room * platinum play * and I rose to $900. Here it is unexpected, during a prokrut of the slot (immortal) on the account $250 in the form of a bonus were added! I from anybody didn't ask it! I already used all bonuses on deposits!I because of it couldn't withdrawl money!

The operator in a chat told that it is a gift and a bonus it is necessary to beat off to remove money. Naturally I didn't beat off it, it is the death sentence to my money!
Generally I lost $3000 + there. This beastliness.

Guys, they will make everything that you didn't remove decent money!

Think 100 times before doing here the deposit!



There is one more problem, but it is heavy to me to describe it, my English isn't really good. (I from Russia)

Hi Perez777

I checked your account and noted that you asked for your account to be locked on 10 October due to you feeling that you were losing too much.

You first requested your account to be locked at 06:17 on 10 October but you accepted a $50 bonus during the chat. Later on the same same day you asked for your account to be locked again and you were offered a bonus of $200 at 19:09 by our agent Pamela which you accepted and it was confirmed that the bonus was in your account before the chat ended. You then asked for your account to be locked again on 11 October and later again asked for it to be unlocked. You received more bonuses from us then and asked for your account to be locked on 12 October again.

I could also not find any mention of your unhappiness as indicated above in any of the 9 chats subsequent to the bonus you received the first time.

If I understand your complaint correctly it seems you are unhappy about bonuses being added to your account without your knowledge which did not happen. If I am incorrect with my interpretation I apologise.

Regards

Wim
 

Perez777

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No, you not correctly understood. It occurred at the first deposits when I only started playing. I managed to win in the slot of "immortal romance" and right there I found out that into my account added a bonus of $250
 

Jono777

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I have made 100's of deposits on my Platinum Play account with Fortune Lounge.

Never had a problem, whether playing with or without bonuses, pit boss called me when I was first 'setting up' and 'looked after me' during a bad spell.

Always got W/D on the day I expected them and 7/10 got a play for my deposit which is good in my opinion.

Few ND bonuses / free spins now and again

Best EVER hit on Immortal Romance .30p stake (134 rsz_troy_feature_403.jpg

Gonna miss it in a way as I'm a UK player - hope this cheers you up and shows good things can happen :)
 

fortunelounge

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No, you not correctly understood. It occurred at the first deposits when I only started playing. I managed to win in the slot of "immortal romance" and right there I found out that into my account added a bonus of $250

Hi Perez777

From the above I assume you are then referring to your sign-up bonus.

Your first deposit was $50 and you received a 100% match on that. The only time you received $250 in bonuses was on 10 October when the two separate bonuses of $50 and $200 were added to your account and you were well aware of that.

If I am confused again please let me know.

Regards

Wim
 

fortunelounge

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I will find video where I wrote down everything.

It is difficult to me to explain very much, English at me isn't so good

Hi Perez777

Please send me the link / video and hopefully I can assist you better.

Regards

Wim
 

vinylweatherman

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Hi Perez777

From the above I assume you are then referring to your sign-up bonus.

Your first deposit was $50 and you received a 100% match on that. The only time you received $250 in bonuses was on 10 October when the two separate bonuses of $50 and $200 were added to your account and you were well aware of that.

If I am confused again please let me know.

Regards

Wim

The problem seems to be that these were added during play, never a good idea because it can cause problems such as this because one minute the player is playing with cash and no restrictions, and suddenly they become subject to game and bet restrictions, along with a WR from that point.

It would be better to use a system that only adds a bonus when the player is not logged in to a session. Many casinos will use the act of logging on to trigger the instant addition of a bonus. This ensures is appears within seconds, and is thus easy to notice.

One of the problems with the FL system is that there can be a delay between making the claim and the bonus being credited, although it is quite often near instant. In this case, a player would be fully aware that they had made the claim, but when the bonus isn't added straight away, they may decide to play on anyway with their cash balance thinking that their claim had for some reason been declined by the software. If they bust out it's not usually an issue to complain about if the bonus gets added some time later. However, when it's added later when by coincidence the player happens to have done well on cash alone, it can look like a deliberate "spoiler" designed by the casino to lock the player into playing on rather than withdrawing after a decent run. On top of this, a player is stripped of being able to get CS to remove a bonus that has appeared whilst they are engaged in playing because they will be betting at the same time as they notice the balance increase, and their first thought would be that they had just won it from the game. The small number of bets played between the bonus being added and the player noticing are enough to cause CS to say it can no longer be removed so that the player can cash out a decent win.

The other question is how come the player could keep on locking and unlocking the account so easily. This is behaviour that should at least raise a few "responsible gambling" flags, with action being taken to ensure that the player was not unlocking the account due to loss of willpower after having summoned up enough willpower to get it locked.
 

Perez777

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vinylweatherman +++

I also wanted to tell it


The problem seems to be that these were added during play, never a good idea because it can cause problems such as this because one minute the player is playing with cash and no restrictions, and suddenly they become subject to game and bet restrictions, along with a WR from that point.

It would be better to use a system that only adds a bonus when the player is not logged in to a session. Many casinos will use the act of logging on to trigger the instant addition of a bonus. This ensures is appears within seconds, and is thus easy to notice.

One of the problems with the FL system is that there can be a delay between making the claim and the bonus being credited, although it is quite often near instant. In this case, a player would be fully aware that they had made the claim, but when the bonus isn't added straight away, they may decide to play on anyway with their cash balance thinking that their claim had for some reason been declined by the software. If they bust out it's not usually an issue to complain about if the bonus gets added some time later. However, when it's added later when by coincidence the player happens to have done well on cash alone, it can look like a deliberate "spoiler" designed by the casino to lock the player into playing on rather than withdrawing after a decent run. On top of this, a player is stripped of being able to get CS to remove a bonus that has appeared whilst they are engaged in playing because they will be betting at the same time as they notice the balance increase, and their first thought would be that they had just won it from the game. The small number of bets played between the bonus being added and the player noticing are enough to cause CS to say it can no longer be removed so that the player can cash out a decent win.
 

Googobucs

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The other question is how come the player could keep on locking and unlocking the account so easily. This is behaviour that should at least raise a few "responsible gambling" flags, with action being taken to ensure that the player was not unlocking the account due to loss of willpower after having summoned up enough willpower to get it locked.

I find this whole thing to be quite disturbing.

Please lock my account.....here's $50 to keep playing.....ok thanks.
a few minutes later
Please lock my account...here's $200 to keep playing.....ok thanks.

This paints a really poor picture of a very irresponsible casino IMO...WTF?????
 

dunover

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I find this whole thing to be quite disturbing.

Please lock my account.....here's $50 to keep playing.....ok thanks.
a few minutes later
Please lock my account...here's $200 to keep playing.....ok thanks.

This paints a really poor picture of a very irresponsible casino IMO...WTF?????

True, but it also paints a picture of a desperate player threatening to close his account knowing full well he may be offered inducements by CS to play for free in the form of ND chips. Not necessarily bad on behalf of the casino, as no business wants to lose customers and a free chip always helps the customer see something positive from a bad experience of losing. I think the player knew full well what he was doing. :cool:
 

Perez777

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What does it have to do with it? I speak about other when I started winning (having used already all bonuses on deposits) received a bonus of $250, during bonus game in immortal romance.I it not at once noticed. I couldn't remove because of it ($1000-1100)

And I really wanted to close the account, my loss in various casinos more than $8000 for October. Specifically in platinum play -3000$+ for October on micro rates.
 

Googobucs

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True, but it also paints a picture of a desperate player threatening to close his account knowing full well he may be offered inducements by CS to play for free in the form of ND chips. Not necessarily bad on behalf of the casino, as no business wants to lose customers and a free chip always helps the customer see something positive from a bad experience of losing. I think the player knew full well what he was doing. :cool:

So casino's should not be act responsibly when someone asks to have their account locked? They should really take this as a secret code for give me a free chip?
Maybe I'm naive or just don't live in that world of nonsense but when I ask to have my account closed we are way beyond any damage control that a free chip is going to solve.

Maybe that explains why it took me 3 e-mails and the last one had to get nasty ( after they gave me a free chip) before I could get someone to close my account recently.
 

mathsboy1975

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So casino's should not be act responsibly when someone asks to have their account locked? They should really take this as a secret code for give me a free chip?
Maybe I'm naive or just don't live in that world of nonsense but when I ask to have my account closed we are way beyond any damage control that a free chip is going to solve.

Maybe that explains why it took me 3 e-mails and the last one had to get nasty ( after they gave me a free chip) before I could get someone to close my account recently.

I see where you are coming from here but as a player I have both requested self-exclusion due to genuinely needing to get some self-control and on other occasions I have just requested account closure (with no mention of gambling problem) because of a dreadful session and/or dissatisfaction with the casino. Of the latter I have very often received the offer of £X chips to keep the account open from a great many casinos.

Now in all honesty, once you receive this kind of offer the next time that you have a bad run you can be tempted to play the "close my account please" card in the hopes that you might just get a few free chips. Is this dishonest? Who is to say - casinos do it very often.

The point that I am trying to make is that if you as a player make it clear that you want the casino account closed due to gambling problems/addiction, then you are treated very differently than you are when making a knee-jerk "rage" based request to close. They used to call it being "on-tilt" in poker terminology (probably still do).

I think that there is a vast difference between the two types of closure request. I am making no judgment on the OP here at all, merely stating my own experiences as a player who has made many many requests for account closure after losing too much money. If you as a player are sincere about having the account closed, then you do not have to accept the bonus chip anyway.
 

vinylweatherman

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I see where you are coming from here but as a player I have both requested self-exclusion due to genuinely needing to get some self-control and on other occasions I have just requested account closure (with no mention of gambling problem) because of a dreadful session and/or dissatisfaction with the casino. Of the latter I have very often received the offer of £X chips to keep the account open from a great many casinos.

Now in all honesty, once you receive this kind of offer the next time that you have a bad run you can be tempted to play the "close my account please" card in the hopes that you might just get a few free chips. Is this dishonest? Who is to say - casinos do it very often.

The point that I am trying to make is that if you as a player make it clear that you want the casino account closed due to gambling problems/addiction, then you are treated very differently than you are when making a knee-jerk "rage" based request to close. They used to call it being "on-tilt" in poker terminology (probably still do).

I think that there is a vast difference between the two types of closure request. I am making no judgment on the OP here at all, merely stating my own experiences as a player who has made many many requests for account closure after losing too much money. If you as a player are sincere about having the account closed, then you do not have to accept the bonus chip anyway.

Casinos should not pander to it, as by allowing it to work, they encourage it's use even more. The problem now is that the casino could land itself in trouble by playing it as a ball-breaking negotiations game between smart player and casino when in fact it's the actions of a weak willed player who really needs "tough love" support from the casino.

Casinos should be prepared to call the bluff of players by stipulating that there is a mandatory minimum cooling off period of, say, 7 days, coupled with a policy that no inducement will be offered for the player to reverse the decision. If players try this tactic to angle for free chips, yet consistently find that they are subject to a minimum 7 day lock with no inducement being offered, they will stop using this tactic. When this happens, casinos can be confident that those who still ask for their accounts to be locked are doing so because they want some help in backing away for a while.

When it comes to players repeatedly asking for lock and unlock, there should be a point at which the casino starts applying a longer exclusion period.
 

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So casino's should not be act responsibly when someone asks to have their account locked? They should really take this as a secret code for give me a free chip?
Maybe I'm naive or just don't live in that world of nonsense but when I ask to have my account closed we are way beyond any damage control that a free chip is going to solve.

Maybe that explains why it took me 3 e-mails and the last one had to get nasty ( after they gave me a free chip) before I could get someone to close my account recently.

In all fairness the words I've bolded would only be established between you and the casino CS after a chat usually. Once CS are aware of the real reason they base any inducements on that. Obviously I agree that if you already in the chat told them about gambling issues it's wrong for them to offer freebies. If you were simply knee-jerk pissed-off about a bad run then there's nothing amiss with them chucking a little chance your way to keep you as a player. This actually happened to me once at a MG casino, I was 250 down and had not made a w/d, was offered a £50 chip, so kept the account open and made WR and withdrew over £550..:D I never expected the chip and have never had once since as now I only play at good sites which often chuck me one anyway without attempts to close accounts.
I must add that I'm not the only one aware that closing accounts may result in a freebie, and it wouldn't surprise me if some took advantage of the possibility quite deliberately. You mention 'beyond damage control' in your case. That can mean one of two things, either the casino is so shite you don't ever want to play there again or you've lost so much you'll never retrieve it even with the luckiest of free chips.
 

mathsboy1975

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Casinos should not pander to it, as by allowing it to work, they encourage it's use even more. The problem now is that the casino could land itself in trouble by playing it as a ball-breaking negotiations game between smart player and casino when in fact it's the actions of a weak willed player who really needs "tough love" support from the casino.

Casinos should be prepared to call the bluff of players by stipulating that there is a mandatory minimum cooling off period of, say, 7 days, coupled with a policy that no inducement will be offered for the player to reverse the decision. If players try this tactic to angle for free chips, yet consistently find that they are subject to a minimum 7 day lock with no inducement being offered, they will stop using this tactic. When this happens, casinos can be confident that those who still ask for their accounts to be locked are doing so because they want some help in backing away for a while.

When it comes to players repeatedly asking for lock and unlock, there should be a point at which the casino starts applying a longer exclusion period.

I would like to see the offers of free chips after closure requests disappear completely and be replaced with what you suggest but ultimately such policies will be at the discretion of the casinos. Certainly obtaining self-exclusion is easier in some places than in others.

I think it is great to see that a lot of the better casinos now offer the chance of non-negotiable X-day lockout periods that you can apply yourself from your account settings - removing the potential carrot dangling that can ensue during a chat with CS reps. I have made use of this on many occasions after a brutal session on the slots - it gives you the chance to get out in the short term and not blow more on further deposits. It provides the happy medium between full permanent exclusion and loss chasing.

I think that the above arguments also apply to self imposed deposit limits that can be applied within your account settings without contacting customer services - sometimes these changes come into effect within as little as 24 hours. Now as someone who has had gambling "tilt" issues in the past I know for a fact that 24-hours is not always long enough for the red mist to lift. The better (IMO) casinos usually have at least a 7 day delay between changing a limit and applying that change. Because of my past issues I refuse to play at casinos that do not offer these self-applied locks/limit reductions.
 

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Casinos should not pander to it, as by allowing it to work, they encourage it's use even more.
I've closed my account at dozens of casinos and none have offered a bonus to retain me. :)
My guess is that the casinos would only do this for people whom they believe are profitable.
 

chayton

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I think it's down to the reason you ask for your account to be locked. If you were playing somewhere every day and then wrote them a letter saying "Please close my account because I have deposited xxx amount and can't win diddly AND you don't give me anything back." You might be offered a bonus.
 
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