Fed up of bonus buys!

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The reason I'm going to have a moan here is when people post bonus buys in forums (masquerading them as the x win).
No, it is not the same at all for a start you're getting higher rtp, you've probably bought numerous of these(that is not the same as minute stakes is it), this feature enables cheating in highest x win/collect symbols screenshot contests etc..

Does anyone else really abhore bonus buys? Another thing is since they came into fruition the slots with them have gotten worse in normal play/features.. Particularly noticed this with Blueprint..
 
I decided to make a deposit of 200USDT at a crypto casino with the sole intention of buying bonuses just to see what all the fuss is about.
They were all complete garbage - the kind of bonuses you'd be horrified to get if you landed them naturally. Pragmatic were the worst of the lot (especially that bloody awful Muertos game). Only one that paid anything was Danger High Voltage, the final bonus I could afford and the one which paid me back almost exactly the amount I had just spent buying all those bonuses across multiple games and providers to begin with.

I wasn't the slightest bit suspicious after that either... :rolleyes:
 
And another thing separate threads for bonus buy screenshots and videos please. The stupid things crash my phone.
I think I did this in the 'Hyper Wins' thread when BBs were excluded, only normal stake wins.

Spend £100 on a BB and win £965, you've won 9.65x bet. Simple as. No other bollocks is acceptable.
 
I think I did this in the 'Hyper Wins' thread when BBs were excluded, only normal stake wins.

Spend £100 on a BB and win £965, you've won 9.65x bet. Simple as. No other bollocks is acceptable.
Same think with extra bets, xciter buys, featurespins etc. What it cost you to press spin is how it should be calculated.
 
Pretty funny looking at the NLC games 'leaderboard' since they show you if the win was a bonus buy or not.
And to nobodys surprise its almost only bonus buys.
This is probably true for most providers, but extra true for NLC since the super bonuses are close to impossible to land on a normal spin.

They still show up as 30000x on the leaderboard instead of 10x or whatever the real number should be.
Pretty weird how thats allowed really, should count as false advertising imo.
 
I had a stint in the bonus buy crypto land. Although i had some massive wins. I lost a hell of a lot playing there. As i was getting used to buying bonuses which became to expensive. Especially when i had some of them return 0.00 or close to fuck all. It makes you sick when you pay like £40 for a bonus that pays back £1.24

I soon stopped playing there when i realised how expensive it was. As you have the option to buy, it was to hard to resist. And led to 200 pound deposits quickly flushed down the shitter for 4 or 5 dead bonus buys.

Be very careful delving into Bonus Buy Land!
 
The only company to do Bonus Buys in a palatable manner were the OG slots from Big Time Gaming, all those years ago. Generally, purchasing those kept you within touching distance of your balance and provided an option to bypass the base game churn.

White Rabbit being the obvious example, and my opinion being somewhat swayed by some extraordinarily jammy feats on it, so I may be biased.......but then, I would never have solely played the game on its own merits, as it's unbearable tripe.

Extra Chilli et al, where the 'coin-drop' mechanic even tried to blend the fairly acceptable base game with an ever-cheapening BB option in the background.

As for other companies and their shocking implementation of their Bonus Buy features, they've gone above and beyond with their greed, making games unplayable, and paywalling a game's 'best features' behind obscene pricing models - I think we all know who they are.

It's no stretch to say they've shaped slotting to be something else, with extreme-variance now talk of the town. Would be interesting to see how slots go if buyable bonuses are prohibited across the board, as no one will be able to stand the games. Will slot creativity return?....?
 
Would be interesting to see how slots go if buyable bonuses are prohibited across the board, as no one will be able to stand the games. Will slot creativity return?....?

A good question, and one I think we know the answer to.
The vast majority of new games are complete garbage to play (base game) because clearly their first bullet point in the design meeting is how much the bonus buy will cost. Some games have absolutely absurd BB costs (Fire in the hole 2 the worst culprit I can think of - 3600x for fuck sake), for bonuses regular players just won't land, not in a million spins years (San Quentin comes to mind as well).

Gameplay doesn't even need to be that creative to be a good game, look at the classic 9-liners from Microgaming: Tally Ho, Thunderstruck, Ladies Night, BdBA etc.
3 scatters for free spins, usually a multiplier added in said free spins, some epic wins had down the years on those kind of games; loads of fun for what was genuinely simple mechanics. You never see games like that made any more, it's all Megaways this and super bonus that. And all of them promoted endlessly by gaping-mouthed moronic streamers playing with fake money the whole time.

God the online gaming world is a blood-soaked nightmarish Hellscape nowadays.
 
Here is my personal experience with bonus buys during the week. I've spent around 15k EUR. These were from winnings on Crash and roulette, and they all gone. I've bought over 500 bonuses across games including Fire in the Hole 2, Deadwood, Money Train 2, 3, Sugar Rush, Big Bass, Sweet Bonanza, a few other useless Pragmatic slots, as well as some others that i can't even recall the names of.

From what I've seen, in the typical case, you don't win much more than the initial bonus purchase price.

The worst for buying bonuses from the mentioned slots was those from Pragmatic Play, like in Sugar Rush you can easily get under 10x from even 20 spins. Out of +/-30 bonuses, you get some odd 300x win.

Fire in the Hole 2 was pretty safe to buy, but only when buying the bonus that costs 600x (20p bonus costs 120 EUR). In this bonus, it generally pays between 200x to 1000x. This is my observation from buying around 200 bonuses ranging from 20p a bet to 1 EUR. Those cheaper ones were pretty pointless. I also tried twice the most expensive one for 3600x a bet, and both paid under 800x...

The first spin is a decisive one in any of its bonuses. If you land diamonds on the right and that nutter jumps off the trolley and becomes a persistent collector along with a dynamite that smashes the box underneath him - you can start opening a champagne cork. But this likely happens rarer than pigs usually take off from Gatwick airport.

In the top bonus (3600x), that nutter gets thrown out right away, but don't get too excited as you might not get any dynamites, and your money simply will be flushed down the toilet.

The base game in Fire Hole was quite OK. I was playing it for 4 hours at 20p with a 100 EUR deposit. I guess it could have lasted even longer, but i started to do bonus buys and lost.

Natural bonuses were also landing pretty often, but in that basic bonus stage, I think one must be extremely lucky to get something decent. For a good start, you need a persistent dynamite to smash all those stones and boxes below.

Surprisingly, however, the basic bonus - my first-ever bonus purchase on this slot, paid the most, and it gave me a balance to do more buys on other slots.

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The Money Train's 3 basic bonus was also pretty safe (i mean you don't generally get 10x wins like in Pragmatic's), but you rarely win something good enough on top; often it's just 110x or a liiittle bit more.

To win something decent, you need a 500x bonus buy and get a good persistent symbol, like the Sniper which gets chosen rarely (see below). Otherwise, expect wins from a 500x buy to range from 150x to 300x.

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Pragmatic's Sugar Rush was a piss-take as usual -
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When you're doing many buys - like 10-20 in a row, and constantly adjust stakes based on previous wins/losses - it starts to seem like the slot knows you have enough cash and are trying to beat it, and it doesn't let you get ahead. Often it simply goes by a pattern.

Say now you get a 300x win, then 3 wins under 100x follow, then you get one that is a bit over 100x, then again one under 100x, and finally one that is around 200x. Overall, it's like stumping in your own shit - you don't win anything but gradually lose, lol... So essentially, these are pointless feature buys.

So to buy or not to buy bonuses? It's up to you, but treat them as buying expensive lottery tickets that are generally pointless to buy, :D .

If you have an affordable balance, i reckon, it's way better to increase a bet size for a bit to see how it goes than spend money on feature buys.
 
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@Guntis yep, Pragmatic bonus buys were far and away the worst from all the ones I tried. Sugar Rush and Muertos Multiplier the worst of a bad bunch.

I got a 12-spin start with Muertos and got something like 10x bet. The base game is maddening enough trying to land free spins, but you buy them to skip the torture and then the game slaps you in the face anyway.
 
A good question, and one I think we know the answer to.
The vast majority of new games are complete garbage to play (base game) because clearly their first bullet point in the design meeting is how much the bonus buy will cost. Some games have absolutely absurd BB costs (Fire in the hole 2 the worst culprit I can think of - 3600x for fuck sake), for bonuses regular players just won't land, not in a million spins years (San Quentin comes to mind as well).

Gameplay doesn't even need to be that creative to be a good game, look at the classic 9-liners from Microgaming: Tally Ho, Thunderstruck, Ladies Night, BdBA etc.
3 scatters for free spins, usually a multiplier added in said free spins, some epic wins had down the years on those kind of games; loads of fun for what was genuinely simple mechanics. You never see games like that made any more, it's all Megaways this and super bonus that. And all of them promoted endlessly by gaping-mouthed moronic streamers playing with fake money the whole time.

God the online gaming world is a blood-soaked nightmarish Hellscape nowadays.
I had a little dabble earlier on Bet365 and decided to venture onto a few old skool WMS (Light and wonder) efforts. Yes, they have been tweaked a bit and do not run quite as fluidly as they once did but games like Amazon Queen and Bruce Lee bring back memories of how good some slots used to be. Reasonable variance. Even though Bruce Lee was considered one of the more high variance slot in its day which seems absurd now. Decent base game pays with some good hits possible on a reasonably frequent basis.
Finally, to this day one of the best big win tunes going at proper big win levels:
Big Win - around 25x
Super Big Win - around 100x
Mega Big Win - around 250x
None of this 50 x “Epic Win” bollox. When that music hit you knew it was a decent hit and when it reached each level it was genuinely both exciting and a genuine sense of achievement. Now many slots go mental if you creep over 10x.
 
It stands to reason that bonus buy costs are set at higher than the average payout of the bonus itself, otherwise the casinos would lose a fortune.
So when you see (for example) a bonus buy costing £45 for a 60p bet, you have to be prepared to lose more often than not. Kinda renders the bonus buy pointless imo.
 
It stands to reason that bonus buy costs are set at higher than the average payout of the bonus itself, otherwise the casinos would lose a fortune.
So when you see (for example) a bonus buy costing £45 for a 60p bet, you have to be prepared to lose more often than not. Kinda renders the bonus buy pointless imo.
No, they are not pointless - they save a LOT of time!
Whether you are playing normal spins or bonus buys, the RTP is (usually) the same, so you will still lose the same amount overall...
But with BB's you can do it in minutes, rather than hours :thumbsup:

KK
 
Does anyone else really abhore bonus buys? Another thing is since they came into fruition the slots with them have gotten worse in normal play/features.. Particularly noticed this with Blueprint..
Yes - overall I think they are EVIL. OK for the mega-high-rollers - but disastrous for us mere mortal gamblers.
Unless you have pretty strong willpower - they just suck you in to buy more and more until you're broke.

Having said that, I have tried them a few times, so will add my 2c to this discussion...

I played a few BB's recently on a Crypto casino and first I must agree with your comment about Blueprint. I did some on what was once my absolute favourite game: Genie Jackpots Megaways - and my returns were abysmal. I don't know the exact numbers, but I think I did about 10 or so, and only got more than my stake back once, with the other paying pathetically tiny amounts.

Also did a few on DHV with similarly crap results. I also recall back when BB's were allowed in the UK, doing an experiment on Extra Chilli - I bought a load on minimum stakes and tried to gamble up from 8 free-spins to something better... and it went "lose" EIGHT times in a row! :eek:

Back to recently, I also did some on Pragmatic's Santa's Great Gifts - and actually had some GREAT results!
What I found very interesting about this game, is you can choose to pay more (a LOT more) to start the free-spins on a higher level:-

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Of course, most returns were way below my buy-in. I think the worst one returned $11 from a $40 buy at level 2.
But I also had one at 6x from a $40 buy on level 2 (paid $234), and my best one was 7x from an $80 buy at level 2:-

SGG_BB_H_$80L2_$560_Feb24.jpg

However, I still stick with my comments above, that bonus-buys are evil and I would never encourage anyone to play them.

KK
 
You should really view Bonus Buys on most recent slots as effectively single, drawn out spins.

Outside of most BBs guaranteeing you some sort of return, even if tiny, they are essentially monstrous bet level spins on a slot with a 15-100x jackpot.
 
Given most of them are scripted, it's basically a glorified lottery - and as the bonus buy stakes have gone up, the "potential" (god I hate that word now) has gone down. Which of course means they can control the curve as much as they want - and to nobody's surprise they have, aggressively upwards.

It's curious that the monopoly money providers point out the highest buy-ins are actually "medium-high" variance in their games - which is probably true in the context of the spin itself (e.g. capped at 5-25x), but not in the context of the bonus buy (costing 1000x or more).

I was fine with early bonus buys - but much like Overwatch normalised paid lootboxes, White Rabbit normalised bonus buys. They started out tame enough, but the temptation is to push higher stakes and higher potential quickly, which of course is what happened very quickly.

People rightly balked at Machina Megaways offering a 337x bonus buy - and now people talk about 3000x bonus buys unironically. We don't even need to parody it because the providers got their first - Bonus Buy Parody offering a 1 in 6.7x "pie gamble" at the 9217x jackpot.

Coming in 2025 - NLC presents "Handpay" - $1275 bonus-buy that pays $1200 every time (94.1% RTP). 3 minutes of demonic-themed lights and sounds, all the "tension" of just misses, sixteen mechanics you can't understand and at the end of it, a (fixed) $1200 max-win.

I wish I was joking, but they're already one step away with Bonus Buy Parody!
 
Coming in 2025 - NLC presents "Handpay" - $1275 bonus-buy that pays $1200 every time (94.1% RTP). 3 minutes of demonic-themed lights and sounds, all the "tension" of just misses, sixteen mechanics you can't understand and at the end of it, a (fixed) $1200 max-win.
Guess I was being too generous with suggesting this happened in 2025, given their latest dross has a maximum win bonus buy for 8360x - $1672 in for $1622 out at minimum stake - a 250x surcharge for seeing the max win animation.
 
Guess I was being too generous with suggesting this happened in 2025, given their latest dross has a maximum win bonus buy for 8360x - $1672 in for $1622 out at minimum stake - a 250x surcharge for seeing the max win animation.
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Well surely that is just for streamers to line up a max win with *ahem* real money to get views isn’t it? I know this is pretty much all NLC care about by and large but good to see they’ve given up all pretence that this is not the case.
Comfortably at the bottom of the, exceptionally low, ethics table.
 

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