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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by cash4all, Jan 4, 2014.

    Jan 4, 2014
  1. cash4all

    cash4all Dormant account PABnonaccred PABaccred

    United States
    Don't you think that when you take a bonus that requires a play through that your own deposit should not be included in the play through amount? In my opinion, you should only be required to play through 30X or whatever the amount for that particular bonus is on the amount of money you receive directly from the casino as the bonus. Why should you have to play through your own money. I always thought that was a pretty sneaky thing on the part of the casino. What do you think?
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  2. Jan 4, 2014
  3. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

    I'm a Canucklehead
    I think if you want something for nothing, you should play a straight deposit :D
  4. Jan 4, 2014
  5. bigjohn

    bigjohn Dormant account

    Swimming Pool Serviceman
    Northeast Coastal USA
    It would be nice if you didn't have to meet any play-through requirement ever. The casino makes the terms and you decide if you want to accept them.

    If it's not acceptable to you, don't take it.
  6. Jan 4, 2014
  7. zreb

    zreb Experienced Member PABaccred

    currently in US
    I think there are advantages and disadvantages either way, and a casino can choose how they want to run their bonuses.

    An example of a casino that runs their bonuses like you say is BetAt, who don't put any restrictions on playing with your actual deposit - only the bonus funds themselves. You can forfeit the bonus and cashout your depost + winnings if you haven't dipped into the bonus money. This sort of setup I think is great for less experienced players since they don't need to worry as much about breaking some term hidden deep within the T&C's.

    But keep in mind that at the end of the day, the casino needs to make money, so there are still tradeoffs. Continuing with the example above, since a lot of players will win with their initial money and cashout, it probably isn't as financially feasible for them to offer the same 30x bonus wagering requirements you'd find at somewhere like 32Red. Instead, the wagering requirements are often something like 60x on a 50% bonus.

    So ultimately, it comes down to personal preference and tradeoffs. Would you rather have a bonus with a 30x wagering requirement that must be completed, or one with a 60x requirement you can choose to forfeit? Fortunately there are several places to play at, so you can search around to find the type of bonus you prefer - or even decide to play without a bonus at all if that's what suits you best.
    3 people like this.
  8. Jan 4, 2014
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Bexhill on sea, England
    In the vast majority of cases (i.e. where you can't cash-out until the full WR is finished) I don't think it matters if it is just the bonus money or yours as well.
    What DOES matter is what the Total WR is and whether the bonus is Cashable or Phantom (Sticky).
    e.g. A 100% bonus where the WR is Bonus x30 is exactly the same as one where the WR is (Deposit+Bonus) x15.

    Some casinos try to be crafty and just say the wagering is x35 for example, but they don't say if that's Bonus only or Deposit + Bonus.
    Obviously the WR is DOUBLE in the latter case (if it's a 100% bonus). :eek2:
    Additionally some casinos don't make it 100% clear whether the bonuses are Cashable or Phantom :mad:

    Also some players think a 200% or more bonus is better than a 100% one - but actually, if the WR terms are the same high amount - it is worse.
    That's because the bigger the bonus, the more total WR it will have. More WR = more cash exposed to the house edge which is what makes the casinos money. (Although, more play-time does also mean more chances to get a big win - so it's not all bad!)

    It was because of all this potential confusion that when I started my websites I worked out a way of ranking bonuses for their best value (i.e. the theoretical best chance of meeting the WR the least loss).
    Here's some examples of different bonuses from best to worst (IMO):
    100%, WR Dx20, Cashable
    100%, WR Bx30, Cashable = 100%, WR (D+B)x15, Cashable
    100%, WR Bx35, Cashable
    100%, WR Bx40, Cashable = 100%, WR (D+B)x20, Cashable
    100%, WR (D+B)x25, Cashable
    100%, WR (D+B)x20, Phantom
    100%, WR (D+B)x30, Cashable
    200%, WR (D+B)x20, Phantom
    400%, WR (D+B)x25, Phantom

    All in all, it's a bit of a minefield really!

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