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[WillPower505]

Must be profitable to gamble for you then. Care to let us in on the bulletproof strategy that no one in the industry seems to be aware of?

It was just that game, I played it enough to notice its little quirks and once I did I started winning more on it. You act like its impossible when people literally get booted from casinos all the time for winning too much on slots for 'fraud'.

 

[Halvor]

It was just that game, I played it enough to notice its little quirks and once I did I started winning more on it. You act like its impossible when people literally get booted from casinos all the time for winning too much on slots for 'fraud'.

So feel free to share with us what it was then, it was clearly easy to spot for you so can't be that hard to explain?

 

[L&L-Jan]

PnG RTPs yesterday: 105.02%
PnG RTPs today: 102.10%
PnG RTPs MTD: 98.21%

Yes, seems they are squeezing it down

 

[Slottery]

PnG RTPs yesterday: 105.02%
PnG RTPs today: 102.10%
PnG RTPs MTD: 98.21%

Yes, seems they are squeezing it down

Maybe threads warning time has passed

 

[neon claws]

Maybe threads warning time has passed

Thank God
So it's safe to play again now??

 

[WillPower505]

So feel free to share with us what it was then, it was clearly easy to spot for you so can't be that hard to explain?

Had to do with timing the session as you start. I think there is something to the whole refreshing the page and loading certain sessions in games. First 10-20 spins if I didnt see a bonus symbol I reset cache/cookies. booted up the game. Now I dont think that had too much of an effect, but maybe one out of every 5 resets there will be a session that you will start seeing bonus symbols appear almost immediately and TO ME it feels like the session I loaded into has potential.

Now that I believe I had a good session there was a timing to the spins I would do where I would spin X seconds after the spin ended / winnings started counting. If I did it just right the games mini bonus feature would hit over and over (like 10 spins in a row). And If I did it too fast the game would give me a "lost connection to server/delay) or just straight kick me out where I had to reload the game again.

And if I could pull it off long enough I would be ahead on the game and eventually the game would kick me out and make me reload the game. Almost like the game knew something was off and wanted me off that particular session.

I can kind of do it on rise of Olympus for example and trigger those mini god features spin after spin until I hit a wraith of olympus mini bonus. Problem is that game is so hard to win anything good anymore that its not worth playing anyway. I would hit 200-600x bonuses on rise of olympus all the time, now im lucky to even get a retrigger on hades and even if I get one my max wins has never gone above 30x in the last 20 bonuses I've had on that game. Definitely feels like somethings up with it.

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.

 

[Kroffe]

Had to do with timing the session as you start. I think there is something to the whole refreshing the page and loading certain sessions in games. First 10-20 spins if I didnt see a bonus symbol I reset cache/cookies. booted up the game. Now I dont think that had too much of an effect, but maybe one out of every 5 resets there will be a session that you will start seeing bonus symbols appear almost immediately and TO ME it feels like the session I loaded into has potential.

Now that I believe I had a good session there was a timing to the spins I would do where I would spin X seconds after the spin ended / winnings started counting. If I did it just right the games mini bonus feature would hit over and over (like 10 spins in a row). And If I did it too fast the game would give me a "lost connection to server/delay) or just straight kick me out where I had to reload the game again.

And if I could pull it off long enough I would be ahead on the game and eventually the game would kick me out and make me reload the game. Almost like the game knew something was off and wanted me off that particular session.

I can kind of do it on rise of Olympus for example and trigger those mini god features spin after spin until I hit a wraith of olympus mini bonus. Problem is that game is so hard to win anything good anymore that its not worth playing anyway. I would hit 200-600x bonuses on rise of olympus all the time, now im lucky to even get a retrigger on hades and even if I get one my max wins has never gone above 30x in the last 20 bonuses I've had on that game. Definitely feels like somethings up with it.

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.

Could you make a video of you hitting the mini-feature in rise of olympus spin after spin?
Would be cool to see, and really shut up the non-believers.

 

[neon claws]

Had to do with timing the session as you start. I think there is something to the whole refreshing the page and loading certain sessions in games. First 10-20 spins if I didnt see a bonus symbol I reset cache/cookies. booted up the game. Now I dont think that had too much of an effect, but maybe one out of every 5 resets there will be a session that you will start seeing bonus symbols appear almost immediately and TO ME it feels like the session I loaded into has potential.

Now that I believe I had a good session there was a timing to the spins I would do where I would spin X seconds after the spin ended / winnings started counting. If I did it just right the games mini bonus feature would hit over and over (like 10 spins in a row). And If I did it too fast the game would give me a "lost connection to server/delay) or just straight kick me out where I had to reload the game again.

And if I could pull it off long enough I would be ahead on the game and eventually the game would kick me out and make me reload the game. Almost like the game knew something was off and wanted me off that particular session.

I can kind of do it on rise of Olympus for example and trigger those mini god features spin after spin until I hit a wraith of olympus mini bonus. Problem is that game is so hard to win anything good anymore that its not worth playing anyway. I would hit 200-600x bonuses on rise of olympus all the time, now im lucky to even get a retrigger on hades and even if I get one my max wins has never gone above 30x in the last 20 bonuses I've had on that game. Definitely feels like somethings up with it.

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.

Gambling has broken your brain.

 

[Halvor]

Had to do with timing the session as you start. I think there is something to the whole refreshing the page and loading certain sessions in games. First 10-20 spins if I didnt see a bonus symbol I reset cache/cookies. booted up the game. Now I dont think that had too much of an effect, but maybe one out of every 5 resets there will be a session that you will start seeing bonus symbols appear almost immediately and TO ME it feels like the session I loaded into has potential.

Now that I believe I had a good session there was a timing to the spins I would do where I would spin X seconds after the spin ended / winnings started counting. If I did it just right the games mini bonus feature would hit over and over (like 10 spins in a row). And If I did it too fast the game would give me a "lost connection to server/delay) or just straight kick me out where I had to reload the game again.

And if I could pull it off long enough I would be ahead on the game and eventually the game would kick me out and make me reload the game. Almost like the game knew something was off and wanted me off that particular session.

I can kind of do it on rise of Olympus for example and trigger those mini god features spin after spin until I hit a wraith of olympus mini bonus. Problem is that game is so hard to win anything good anymore that its not worth playing anyway. I would hit 200-600x bonuses on rise of olympus all the time, now im lucky to even get a retrigger on hades and even if I get one my max wins has never gone above 30x in the last 20 bonuses I've had on that game. Definitely feels like somethings up with it.

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.

First thing first, a slot game do not have a memory. and when you open the game or what not has no impact on how the RNG works.

And excuse me for being sceptical but i call bullshit on you hitting a bonus 10 times in a row, unless you are the luckiest person in the world. But feel free to share your game data to prove me wrong on this However even if you somehow had that insane luck it had absolutely nothing to do with when you hit spin or not, as if that would impact the outcome.

As for the game "kicking you out". sessions do get timed out at times, more so with some providers than others.This does NOT affect your randomly decided spins.

All in all, your ability to predict how a slot plays, just like everyone else that claims the same superpower, boils down to "TO ME it feels like".

 

[Roedgaard72]

Had to do with timing the session as you start. I think there is something to the whole refreshing the page and loading certain sessions in games. First 10-20 spins if I didnt see a bonus symbol I reset cache/cookies. booted up the game. Now I dont think that had too much of an effect, but maybe one out of every 5 resets there will be a session that you will start seeing bonus symbols appear almost immediately and TO ME it feels like the session I loaded into has potential.

Now that I believe I had a good session there was a timing to the spins I would do where I would spin X seconds after the spin ended / winnings started counting. If I did it just right the games mini bonus feature would hit over and over (like 10 spins in a row). And If I did it too fast the game would give me a "lost connection to server/delay) or just straight kick me out where I had to reload the game again.

And if I could pull it off long enough I would be ahead on the game and eventually the game would kick me out and make me reload the game. Almost like the game knew something was off and wanted me off that particular session.

I can kind of do it on rise of Olympus for example and trigger those mini god features spin after spin until I hit a wraith of olympus mini bonus. Problem is that game is so hard to win anything good anymore that its not worth playing anyway. I would hit 200-600x bonuses on rise of olympus all the time, now im lucky to even get a retrigger on hades and even if I get one my max wins has never gone above 30x in the last 20 bonuses I've had on that game. Definitely feels like somethings up with it.

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.
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At least I think you will have the support from @trancemonkey when it comes to these obvious theories.

 

[Slottery]

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.

Not really sure what incentive that would be for provider or casinos? Just for fun giving more winnings for players? That schedule would be worth of leaking to few friends by some PnG employee, but to be honest, i don't really see any logic in this. You obviously would need to do some changes to make game pay out more than normally which would probably have affect to RTP which i think is not really ok by the regulation point of view.

That wouldn't be hard to make game hot by changing it maths (just switch to other version) but still to first question for me would be that why? Why you would go to some really grey area without having clear benefit about doing that? It could be working promotion tool but you would then publish it and all casinos having that game would high light "game of the week" which pays more than normally (theoretically, don't mean that all would just win), that could collect some attention and deposits. Bit like Kindred have their exclusive higher RTP games for certain markets etc...

But without anyone knowing, why to taka less profit from game just because... why?

 

[WillPower505]

Could you make a video of you hitting the mini-feature in rise of olympus spin after spin?
Would be cool to see, and really shut up the non-believers.

Maybe... I mean if I made a video about it then its public knowledge and more likely to be fixed. Maybe if I made one I could share it with someone here in private and they can verify.

First thing first, a slot game do not have a memory. and when you open the game or what not has no impact on how the RNG works.

And excuse me for being sceptical but i call bullshit on you hitting a bonus 10 times in a row, unless you are the luckiest person in the world. But feel free to share your game data to prove me wrong on this However even if you somehow had that insane luck it had absolutely nothing to do with when you hit spin or not, as if that would impact the outcome.

As for the game "kicking you out". sessions do get timed out at times, more so with some providers than others.This does NOT affect your randomly decided spins.

All in all, your ability to predict how a slot plays, just like everyone else that claims the same superpower, boils down to "TO ME it feels like".

This is online gambling. Of course a game has memory. There's a reason why certain providers have a shit ton of tracking cookies implanted on your computer everytime you play. I think I heard PnG has the most with like 20+ tracking cookies. If they can record every spin and look at every moment of your play to determine if people are fraudulent playing, then you bet your ass they can program a game to have memory of your gaming sessions (how much you lost / won etc) why wouldn't they? It'd be stupid not to.

and about the 10 bonuses in a row. I'm talking about mini bonuses in games like rise of olympus, triggering the god mini bonuses which eventually leads to the main bonus. Obviously if I hit 10 main bonuses in a row id be banned from the casinos because they can track that.

And about me being timed out... I can do it on command if I wanted to by my own actions. Its not randomly 'from time to time'. Yes for most people its random connection problem, but for me my actions in the game can trigger the game to kick me out or maybe im inadvertently doing something to mess up the calculating and it makes me lose connection. Either way I can make it kick me out.

Not really sure what incentive that would be for provider or casinos? Just for fun giving more winnings for players? That schedule would be worth of leaking to few friends by some PnG employee, but to be honest, i don't really see any logic in this. You obviously would need to do some changes to make game pay out more than normally which would probably have affect to RTP which i think is not really ok by the regulation point of view.

That wouldn't be hard to make game hot by changing it maths (just switch to other version) but still to first question for me would be that why? Why you would go to some really grey area without having clear benefit about doing that? It could be working promotion tool but you would then publish it and all casinos having that game would high light "game of the week" which pays more than normally (theoretically, don't mean that all would just win), that could collect some attention and deposits. Bit like Kindred have their exclusive higher RTP games for certain markets etc...

But without anyone knowing, why to taka less profit from game just because... why?

I don't know why they would do it, maybe you're right, maybe they do it because its a sneaky way to get their friends and family to play and make money. Or maybe its a great way to highlight their games on casinos and get people sucked into their games.

But you can sometimes pickup the trends, especially with streamers. One week everyones having massive wins on reactoonz, then next week its rise of merlin, then book of dead, etc.

Does anyone have any kind of software to track your stats? maybe ill start recording all my data to show you guys.

 

[Halvor]

There's absolutely nothing in your post that even holds a shred of truth in how slot games work.

I'll wait for your game data showing the 10 features in a row then...

 

[WillPower505]

There's absolutely nothing in your post that even holds a shred of truth in how slot games work.

I'll wait for your game data showing the 10 features in a row then...

I'm not claiming to know how slots work, I'm just telling you what happens to me. Unless you work as a slot maker or know how the inside of the industry works you don't know either. So step off the pedestal o holy one.

 

[trancemonkey]

I'm not claiming to know how slots work, I'm just telling you what happens to me. Unless you work as a slot maker or know how the inside of the industry works you don't know either. So step off the pedestal o holy one.

As i do both of those things (work as a slot maker [games producer] and know how the inside of the industry works) am I allowed to comment?

 

[Halvor]

I'm not claiming to know how slots work, I'm just telling you what happens to me. Unless you work as a slot maker or know how the inside of the industry works you don't know either. So step off the pedestal o holy one.

Funnily enough I work for a game provider and know the inside of how the industry works. Can I step back on the pedestal?

 

[trancemonkey]

Funnily enough I work for a game provider and know the inside of how the industry works. Can I step back on the pedestal?

I didn't want to steal your thunder and tell them that

 

[trancemonkey]

I'll regreat this, but here goes...

Maybe... I mean if I made a video about it then its public knowledge and more likely to be fixed. Maybe if I made one I could share it with someone here in private and they can verify.

You've already outed it - if there is an issue, it will be fixed

This is online gambling. Of course a game has memory. There's a reason why certain providers have a shit ton of tracking cookies implanted on your computer everytime you play. I think I heard PnG has the most with like 20+ tracking cookies. If they can record every spin and look at every moment of your play to determine if people are fraudulent playing, then you bet your ass they can program a game to have memory of your gaming sessions (how much you lost / won etc) why wouldn't they? It'd be stupid not to.

In regulated markets it would be a) stupid to do so and b) entirely illegal.

and about the 10 bonuses in a row. I'm talking about mini bonuses in games like rise of olympus, triggering the god mini bonuses which eventually leads to the main bonus. Obviously if I hit 10 main bonuses in a row id be banned from the casinos because they can track that.

You would only be banned if you were doing something illegal.

And about me being timed out... I can do it on command if I wanted to by my own actions. Its not randomly 'from time to time'. Yes for most people its random connection problem, but for me my actions in the game can trigger the game to kick me out or maybe im inadvertently doing something to mess up the calculating and it makes me lose connection. Either way I can make it kick me out.

If you can "make it" kick you out, then either you have found a bug, and they should be notified, or you are likely doing something illegal. Make a video of you doing this and post it on here.

I don't know why they would do it, maybe you're right, maybe they do it because its a sneaky way to get their friends and family to play and make money. Or maybe its a great way to highlight their games on casinos and get people sucked into their games.

They wouldn't because it makes no sense to do so... and it's illegal (in regulated markets)

But you can sometimes pickup the trends, especially with streamers. One week everyones having massive wins on reactoonz, then next week its rise of merlin, then book of dead, etc.

Almost as if it's random...?

Does anyone have any kind of software to track your stats? maybe ill start recording all my data to show you guys.

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[neon claws]

I make slots and also own a casino and I can 100% confirm everything this guy has said is true, he got us.. we coded all these little things in thinking no-one would ever exploit them and well, I guess that was a really silly move, in retrospect.

 

[Slottery]

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That's one simple tool have all needed stats and number in easy format to show success in predicting slots behaviour and point out repeating patterns without exploiting secret strategies to anyone. Also would give everybody clear raw numbers about slot success instead of vague feeling about how slots are playing (as we like to make these assumptions quite a lot based of feeling and "i have seen this same happening all over and again"). Easy to compare differences between pure random slot session where just making more spins and sessions with advanced strategies.

 

[WillPower505]

Funnily enough I work for a game provider and know the inside of how the industry works. Can I step back on the pedestal?

do you work as a slot maker? not work FOR a game provider. sitting at a desk answering emails isn't the same thing as working as someone who has in-depth knowledge about how they work.

I'll regreat this, but here goes...



You've already outed it - if there is an issue, it will be fixed

It already was on the first game I was talking about, which is why I was up 4000x and pretty much banned from the slot for 2 weeks.

Seems like a pretty big leap to say im wrong about all this but I get banned from a single slot for 2 weeks from a provider while all their other games work just fine.

In regulated markets it would be a) stupid to do so and b) entirely illegal.

nobody ever does anything illegal ever when money is involved. NO way. especially not in casinos, the most legit businesses in existence. Nope never happens.

You would only be banned if you were doing something illegal.

Don't give me that, people get banned for any dumb reason a casino wants so they dont have to pay people.

If you can "make it" kick you out, then either you have found a bug, and they should be notified, or you are likely doing something illegal. Make a video of you doing this and post it on here.

Most likely a bug, or some kind of slot feature that kicks people off for having a good session. When it happens 'naturally' it always seems to happen when the slot starts paying out. Funny enough once I start winning money 'oops lost connection'.

They wouldn't because it makes no sense to do so... and it's illegal (in regulated markets)

Once again... this is a squeaky clean industry right? nothing bad ever happens when lots of money is involved right? Funny how you have to add (in regulated markets) to your response as if being regulated means they can't do bad things. As if the regulators are these moral bastions of society that keep our lovely casino industry in check. No way they could ever be swayed otherwise.

Almost as if it's random...?

Most likely, but also odd how you have those weeks where every streamer seems to hit big on a certain slot don't you think. Jammin jars a month ago comes to mind.

 

[Halvor]

do you work as a slot maker? not work FOR a game provider. sitting at a desk answering emails isn't the same thing as working as someone who has in-depth knowledge about how they work.

If I only sit at my desk and answer emails all day, can I still stay on my pedestal?

I find the idea that only a person directly making the game having any sort of knowledge of it's workings while you supposedly as a player would know more than an employee based on what you feel while playing it, nothing short of hilarious.

I do not know what you define as a slot maker. If that means a person like Tracemonkey that actually do several aspects of the game itself, including maths. then no I'm not.

I am however involved in the production of my companies games from the concept stage till the finalised product and have full access to all aspects of the game, including the maths.

Producing a game is not a one man process but involves a full team.

 

[trancemonkey]

do you work as a slot maker? not work FOR a game provider. sitting at a desk answering emails isn't the same thing as working as someone who has in-depth knowledge about how they work.



It already was on the first game I was talking about, which is why I was up 4000x and pretty much banned from the slot for 2 weeks.

Seems like a pretty big leap to say im wrong about all this but I get banned from a single slot for 2 weeks from a provider while all their other games work just fine.




nobody ever does anything illegal ever when money is involved. NO way. especially not in casinos, the most legit businesses in existence. Nope never happens.




Don't give me that, people get banned for any dumb reason a casino wants so they dont have to pay people.



Most likely a bug, or some kind of slot feature that kicks people off for having a good session. When it happens 'naturally' it always seems to happen when the slot starts paying out. Funny enough once I start winning money 'oops lost connection'.



Once again... this is a squeaky clean industry right? nothing bad ever happens when lots of money is involved right? Funny how you have to add (in regulated markets) to your response as if being regulated means they can't do bad things. As if the regulators are these moral bastions of society that keep our lovely casino industry in check. No way they could ever be swayed otherwise.



Most likely, but also odd how you have those weeks where every streamer seems to hit big on a certain slot don't you think. Jammin jars a month ago comes to mind.

I already regret this, so consider this my last response to these points:

1. Is the industry squeaky clean? Hell no, but it's a very very large industry and some parts are VERY heavily regulated. So some bits are much cleaner than others
2. You have no idea whatsoever how some regulators behave, because (i guess) you have never directly dealt with them. I have. And do. Regularly. It is MY JOB to make sure games pass a whole plethora of compliance regulations, so yes, i know the intimately, and those i don't know, we have an entire compliance department to deal with. It reminds me of a meme:

Professional: 20 years in the job, dealing with multiple markets both online and offline, dealing directly with regulators and test house, overseeing maths, art and dev on all of the games i have designed and worked on
Person-on-internet: Bull shit

3. The UKGC may not be a moral bastion of society but they have (and continue to do so) implemented some of the strictest gambling regulations in the world. I assume you are entirely familiar with all the RGS techincal regulations, as well as all the other regulations we have to abide by / deal with. So you know this, right?
4.Casinos can (and do) ban people for all sorts of reasons. I don't agree that anyone should EVER be banned for winning fair and square.

TM

 

[toph11]

i did 10 deposits to play only play n go slots early this month
i went bust on all 10 without little to no game play

 

[trancemonkey]

i did 10 deposits to play only play n go slots early this month
i went bust on all 10 without little to no game play

I hope you won't give them any more of your money