Do not play Playngo slots right now

[Kroffe]

Just to add something.

Before going live, a slot will have had often simulations over 300 billion spins and more. It's not like they will wash it at 90 degrees before going online with it.

We people are easily manipulated, especially when it comes to adrenaline-inducing events, which gambling is. Hence, much of what we remember is a subjective observation.

I recorded once DOA into extreme detail to try and find patterns or the like. I got tons and tons of data, spreadsheet after spreadsheet. I was often busier with making sure to record everything than enjoying the game. Needless to say, I was "100% sure" to know the game...... that was until I wasn't.

Still had my 60 odd wild lines and 20+ 5-scatter pays on the slot, funnily most of them after I stopped paying attention to the gameplay.

Random nature will have it that the stars will be perfectly aligned once in a while and we have a session where every slot we touch ends up paying. See my "Remarkable days at VS". Problem is that we gamblers become overconfident and think we got it all figured out. And then we are totally surprised when the same slots eat deposit after deposit for a good period, forgetting that slotting is 95-99/100 exactly that.

I hope to one day manage to get a wildline.
Hopefully they wont lower the rtp on Doa before i have a chance to get one.

 

[EkJR]

I hope to one day manage to get a wildline.
Hopefully they wont lower the rtp on Doa before i have a chance to get one.

Never had one on DOA or DOA 2 nor had 5 scatters. Had 4 wilds on reels 1,2,3 and 4 lined up for a wild line with 7 spins left before and it didnt even give me the extra spins on 5. The game trolls the life out of me.

 

[09237653]

lol at people who can predict what a slot is going to do after a few spins, they sim these games for billions upon billions of spins to test the numbers, the only time you can tell what it is going to happen is after the round ends.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

lol at people who can predict what a slot is going to do after a few spins, they sim these games for billions upon billions of spins to test the numbers, the only time you can tell what it is going to happen is after the round ends.

Funny you say that. I sometimes Skype my sessions to a friend and I'll often tell them what will happen. 'How did you know that' they say. It's easy. When a game is not paying it'll stay not paying for that session.

There are loads of things you can predict easily with slots when you've been playing a while.

One easy prediction for BOD is that if the scatters land the bonus but there is no other line win at the point of triggering the bonus, 90% of the time the resultant bonus will pay poorly. That's an observation over a very large sample size too.

I've also seen with BOD the EXACT same reel set up land within a small number of spins, multiple times. Which says to me the game is pulling from a limited number of outcomes at any one time. Which in turn explains streakiness and eternal cold sessions.

 

[snorky510238]

Funny you say that. I sometimes Skype my sessions to a friend and I'll often tell them what will happen. 'How did you know that' they say. It's easy. When a game is not paying it'll stay not paying for that session.

There are loads of things you can predict easily with slots when you've been playing a while.

One easy prediction for BOD is that if the scatters land the bonus but there is no other line win at the point of triggering the bonus, 90% of the time the resultant bonus will pay poorly. That's an observation over a very large sample size too.

Certain games are very easy to read. Most people just don’t take in what they actually see. That is why you get players on the Bonanza thread saying they didn’t hit a bonus round for 1,500 spins. I know if I didn’t use my observation I would have probably had countless sessions where I would have had the same outcome.

 

[Slottery]

So if you stop playing Bonanza after little while when you are sure you would need 1500 spins to reach bonus, you can be sure that it was actually like that (and prediction didn't break up and bonus would have landed on next spin)?

Should we really run some tests with these games which are easy to predict? Just which amount spins you need to see that you can predict is it's worth to play next what ever amount of spins (1000, 2000 or what ever)? We for sure can collect recorded game sessions and then people can make predictions what is end come after certain point and then it's easy to see how accurate that prediction was and there's no way to manipulate outcome as these are played already.

Not huge amount of work for few volunteers to record sessions and other group of volunteered predictors give their prediction of them, can make like 10-50 different sessions to all and then it can easily be proven that slots are predictable. Just have to decide what exactly (thatäs not really clearly stated that what exactly can be predicted, just pay or not pay would need some bit more rules like when next bonus is achieved, how much bonuses pays around (over or under certain X amount), are there any big basegame hits and what's balance after XXXX amount of spins).

What more scenarios there are to predict, more accurate it makes it and we have proof that some people are capable to make these predictions and who ever is saying it's impossible is quite wrong if someone can give accurate prediction from enough high percent of scenarios.

Easy, simple and can't be manipulated.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Who knew there were so many people who never lose playing online slots?

I mean, that's would happen in the scenarios explained above, isn't it? I wish I had a system to work out what entirely random games with a house edge will and won't do in any given session.

 

[Slottery]

Who knew there were so many people who never lose playing online slots?

I mean, that's would happen in the scenarios explained above, isn't it? I wish I had a system to work out what entirely random games with a house edge will and won't do in any given session.

Would be great short term income revenue for people who are capable of doing it, selling these tricks like people are selling their betting systems could have huge demand when proven to be accurate enough for profitable play.

Then naturally slots would change a lot to make these predictions useless but most probably if you were able to analyze and forecast current games, why wouldn't you adopt new behavior of them? I would write small book about best predictable slots and how to play them profitable, could ask quite a lot and offer moneyback guarantee if for certain time (until some changes to slots world have made).

 

[neon claws]

I am a slot programmer and yes; I can confirm that I definitely code in patterns, just to give players a chance to exploit them.
Even though it's way more trouble than just making them random and letting people imagine their own patterns what can I say, I'm trying to get fired!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I am a slot programmer and yes; I can confirm that I definitely code in patterns, just to give players a chance to exploit them.
Even though it's way more trouble than just making them random and letting people imagine their own patterns what can I say, I'm trying to get fired!

No-one said anything about being able to exploit anything though? You cannot change the spins you are given as an RNG result...and changing bet seems to change the behaviour of the slot anyway (as so many people have mentioned)...so you wouldn't even be able to exploit that way.

For the record, I'm not for one minute saying patterns are 'coded' into slots, just that there seems to be patterns of play within certain providers. I've never had that feeling on Netent for example.

 

[neon claws]

No-one said anything about being able to exploit anything though?

I sometimes Skype my sessions to a friend and I'll often tell them what will happen...It's easy. When a game is not paying it'll stay not paying for that session.

So if you can tell a "bad session" then don't play that session. Since the slot needs to meet its overall RTP you can just let all the non-psychic players play the crummy sessions and swoop in and take the winning sessions!

Or, by your own account, you can just change the bet since this also changes the behaviour of the slot, until you're on a good session.



It's just your brain looking for patterns, everyone's does it any everyone thinks these same things as you do initially. The only way you can ID a good or bad session is after the fact.

 

[bamberfishcake]

if its working for you then believe in it!

People believe in a mighty creator in the heavens looking down on us and effecting everything we do for the benefit of his worshippers.

They believe in it and the faith works for them.

I like the idea of recording some sessions and testing how we would read the slot. Great idea for a comp also.

By the way i tried to predict the 'feel' last night on the slots. Didnt work but it was fun trying and i like being a belieber believer

 

[Capitano]

Hi folks. Been following threads for a few weeks now but this is my first post.

So last night I deposited £30 into Grosvenor and played PNG Legacy of Egypt. It was on fire from the moment I started playing. I was getting bonus after bonus within 30 spins, and besides 3 or 4 dead ones, most of the bonus rounds gave me in excess of 30 spins (with the pyramid spins feature) and many x8 and a few of x10 pyramid spins. Some of the bonus rounds went on for nearly 10 minutes with plenty of pyramids and wilds all over the reels. Most of the wins were decent (besides those couple of dead ones that paid just the bonus trigger prize and were dead in the free games) but I also had a few big wins as well. I ended up cashing out with a very nice profit when the wins slowed down again and the balance started to slowly decrease. But when it was playing, I wasn’t waiting on the bonus, and wasn’t surprised when I hit another big win. Wish they played like that all the time lol.

I’m not saying to go and play Legacy of Egypt right now however, it was playing well last night and by luck I got it while it was hot. Could go on now and not see a pyramid all day. Just wish I could find DOA2 when it’s on fire like that

 

[flyingguy]

I've been playing png games a lot lately and came to my own conclusion, I think you need to have a fairly big balance (relative to stake size) to see out the bad patches so to speak. I've found most of their games to have very clear bad runs followed by short periods of good ones. At least with bonanza or doa you can be sure most of the time you'll get a decent amount of play from your bankroll, I've had sessions on BOD etc where you burn through your balance without even a bonus tease. The games are exciting to play though which I guess draws us back in. Last night I hit 15 pinks at £1 a spin for 750x, then I hit a decent run on BOD and the balance was up to £1500, followed by nearly 500 spins on some other pngs that wiped the balance. I also noticed they have a common pattern of giving you wins that get you just over a certain amount, e.g. £101 etc, I'm sure the programmers build it in as they know people tend to change slots at certain round numbers.

 

[WillPower505]

Hi folks. Been following threads for a few weeks now but this is my first post.

So last night I deposited £30 into Grosvenor and played PNG Legacy of Egypt. It was on fire from the moment I started playing. I was getting bonus after bonus within 30 spins, and besides 3 or 4 dead ones, most of the bonus rounds gave me in excess of 30 spins (with the pyramid spins feature) and many x8 and a few of x10 pyramid spins. Some of the bonus rounds went on for nearly 10 minutes with plenty of pyramids and wilds all over the reels. Most of the wins were decent (besides those couple of dead ones that paid just the bonus trigger prize and were dead in the free games) but I also had a few big wins as well. I ended up cashing out with a very nice profit when the wins slowed down again and the balance started to slowly decrease. But when it was playing, I wasn’t waiting on the bonus, and wasn’t surprised when I hit another big win. Wish they played like that all the time lol.

I’m not saying to go and play Legacy of Egypt right now however, it was playing well last night and by luck I got it while it was hot. Could go on now and not see a pyramid all day. Just wish I could find DOA2 when it’s on fire like that

Honestly I'm surprised anyone even plays that game. Its such a terrible game TBH. So many things have to line up to produce a decent hit. Its definitely one of those games that feels like its not random at all and if you're going to win its because you've been randomly selected to have a good session on the game.

However I do like a similar game Dawn of egypt. Its like legacy of egypt but more consistent with the bonus wins.

I've been playing png games a lot lately and came to my own conclusion, I think you need to have a fairly big balance (relative to stake size) to see out the bad patches so to speak. I've found most of their games to have very clear bad runs followed by short periods of good ones. At least with bonanza or doa you can be sure most of the time you'll get a decent amount of play from your bankroll, I've had sessions on BOD etc where you burn through your balance without even a bonus tease. The games are exciting to play though which I guess draws us back in. Last night I hit 15 pinks at £1 a spin for 750x, then I hit a decent run on BOD and the balance was up to £1500, followed by nearly 500 spins on some other pngs that wiped the balance. I also noticed they have a common pattern of giving you wins that get you just over a certain amount, e.g. £101 etc, I'm sure the programmers build it in as they know people tend to change slots at certain round numbers.

+1 for the big balances and hot and cold streaks. You noticed it very easily on games like rise of olympus and moon princess. You start those games up and no matter what you're going to lose like 10% of your balance on dead spins before anything starts to happen. Then you enter like a 2nd phase where you start hitting the mini bonuses to determine if you get a real bonus or not. If the game hates you that night you might get teased 5-7 times before you hit a bonus that only pays like 30x or pays like 80% of what it took from you, then the cycle repeats. But sometimes you can walk into a good session where you bonus into a 500x+ bonus.

And I agree with the certain amount being programmed into the balance. I think most people would agree this isn't a conspiracy but just obvious slot programming. Like if I was playing a slot and I have a balance of 119 and ive been playing for awhile, ill usually tell myself "ill leave at 110". So what usually happens is ill have a bunch of dead spins down to about 112 then a bonus symbol will show up, then at 111 you might get a bonus spin tease. And in your mind you go... "well the bonus symbols just started showing up again and I almost got it last spin, ill go down to 100". I'm pretty sure it's programmed to be that way, if it is... then doesn't that mean you can't call slots truly random if there is programmed events based on the dollar amount you have?

 

[WillPower505]

Another thing I noticed too... If I play certain games with a low balance, I noticed that they will just not hit no matter what. Like If I play PnG with 100$ all night, and I get my ass kicked and I have $20 left and I go to my favorite PnG slot or any slot for that matter, It's virtually impossible to come back once you drop below a certain % of your bankroll I believe. I think its programmed at a certain point to just be like... "alright lets just take the rest of his money so he has to deposit again" They wouldn't want to take like 80% of your bankroll then give it all back when you are virtually dead in the water.

This also works in reverse though I've noticed... If I have a big win and I bet LOWER than what I could be betting (have a balance of like $500 and bet 40 cents) then I notice you start winning more often, Its like smaller wins and more bonuses, but it feels like the game is trying to entice you to up your bet so it can try and take it all back right away.

 

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[snorky510238]

Would be great short term income revenue for people who are capable of doing it, selling these tricks like people are selling their betting systems could have huge demand when proven to be accurate enough for profitable play.

Then naturally slots would change a lot to make these predictions useless but most probably if you were able to analyze and forecast current games, why wouldn't you adopt new behavior of them? I would write small book about best predictable slots and how to play them profitable, could ask quite a lot and offer moneyback guarantee if for certain time (until some changes to slots world have made).

Anyone who was prepared to sell their goose that laid golden eggs would have to be considered naive at best.

 

[Kroffe]

Anyone who was prepared to sell their goose that laid golden eggs would have to be considered naive at best.

Levi would never sell Honkers.

 

[Slottery]

Anyone who was prepared to sell their goose that laid golden eggs would have to be considered naive at best.

No need to share where prediction is based so secret winning strategy can be kept in secret. Just show us non that talented people some magic tricks and after amount of spins needed to read game, just predict how it going to behave next what ever amount of spins. Nobody can know how your prediction is made and what it's based, you could just show to rest of people how have some doubts, that slots actually are easily predictable after playing them some time and gained experience to find these patterns which keep coming time after time.

Also you would get better understanding of your skills in predict slots outcome when you instead of stop playing something because it's not going to give you any winnings, would anyhow see what's outcome as these spins would get played and would back up that predictions are really accurate and not just lucky guesses based on something what happened sometimes.

So your gold eggs laid goose will 100% stay as your own secret, nobody can know from few different game sessions where you base your prediction if game will pay out our not and many people here and all over would admit being wrong all the time as slots can be predicted with high accuracy and not only "i have a feeling this is always doing this and this is not playing well now etc..." stories without anything concrete which makes it to be in same category if somebody keep repeating here time after time how he/she can easily predict enough correct lottery numbers in every 4th round based on 3 earlier to be able to play it profitable, maybe not huge wins but profitable strategy anyway.

Something easy to proof without telling what doing but still in long time, nobody haven't botherd to do that but instead keep repeating how easily slots are predicted, i personally would and usually try to back up my sayings with something what's based on something but just saying that some providers slots are easy to predict or evolution all games are rigged without anything more, just for most of people sound bit tinfoil theory. Happy if some can make fortunes with predicting slots but if i would promote my skills in public forums, i would also be ready to show it somehow after already making that big fortune with these predictions (if any provider/casino haven't in long time spotted that pattern/strategy used to be longtime profitable, no need to worry that somebody here would spot it from few sessions, really).

edit: Actually, why not selling limited amount of subsciptions for people, they start their slotting, streaming it for you and you tell them what to do to get out with positive outcome every time, just recognize which slot is paying and which is without playing any non winning games any round more than needed.

 

[snorky510238]

To be fair I have never said I make a fortune and I will admit that I do not know what a bonus round will pay. Merely that my predicted thoughts are right more often than not. This type of knowledge is more used to minimise damage than gain substantial amounts of cash. IMO it just increases your chances of winning ever so slightly and nothing more.

 

[Guntis]

IMO the most important thing is the ability to making a wise/correct decision after your first 100 spins; to keep on playing, change a game or leave a casino for today!

 

[Slottery]

To be fair I have never said I make a fortune and I will admit that I do not know what a bonus round will pay. Merely that my predicted thoughts are right more often than not. This type of knowledge is more used to minimise damage than gain substantial amounts of cash. IMO it just increases your chances of winning ever so slightly and nothing more.

That's for sure accurate predict which i can fully agree. When you invest your money to somewhere where your officially stated return of investment is negative, then you always minimise your damage when you stop (or better, don't even start) playing. I think people who have never played slots, have "won" more with that strategy than 99% of active slot players who have wagerered hundreds of thousands (wagered, not lost) in slots.

Best prediction if you don't wanna lose money is, don't gamble to anything based on RNG:s and return under 100%.

 

[WillPower505]

You can definitely time slots on what they will do and when they will pay. I've been banned off a PnG slot for a solid 2 weeks when every other PnG game was working fine for me. I was 4000x positive on the game over multiple sessions, then after 2 weeks of waiting and multiple emails to the casino who was emailing PnG on my behalf, they let me play the game again and of course no more winning on that slot.

 

[Halvor]

You can definitely time slots on what they will do and when they will pay. I've been banned off a PnG slot for a solid 2 weeks when every other PnG game was working fine for me. I was 4000x positive on the game over multiple sessions, then after 2 weeks of waiting and multiple emails to the casino who was emailing PnG on my behalf, they let me play the game again and of course no more winning on that slot.

Must be profitable to gamble for you then. Care to let us in on the bulletproof strategy that no one in the industry seems to be aware of?