Do not play Playngo slots right now

[Kroffe]

Just to add something.

Before going live, a slot will have had often simulations over 300 billion spins and more. It's not like they will wash it at 90 degrees before going online with it.

We people are easily manipulated, especially when it comes to adrenaline-inducing events, which gambling is. Hence, much of what we remember is a subjective observation.

I recorded once DOA into extreme detail to try and find patterns or the like. I got tons and tons of data, spreadsheet after spreadsheet. I was often busier with making sure to record everything than enjoying the game. Needless to say, I was "100% sure" to know the game...... that was until I wasn't.

Still had my 60 odd wild lines and 20+ 5-scatter pays on the slot, funnily most of them after I stopped paying attention to the gameplay.

Random nature will have it that the stars will be perfectly aligned once in a while and we have a session where every slot we touch ends up paying. See my "Remarkable days at VS". Problem is that we gamblers become overconfident and think we got it all figured out. And then we are totally surprised when the same slots eat deposit after deposit for a good period, forgetting that slotting is 95-99/100 exactly that.

I hope to one day manage to get a wildline.
Hopefully they wont lower the rtp on Doa before i have a chance to get one.

 

[EkJR]

I hope to one day manage to get a wildline.
Hopefully they wont lower the rtp on Doa before i have a chance to get one.

Never had one on DOA or DOA 2 nor had 5 scatters. Had 4 wilds on reels 1,2,3 and 4 lined up for a wild line with 7 spins left before and it didnt even give me the extra spins on 5. The game trolls the life out of me.

 

[09237653]

lol at people who can predict what a slot is going to do after a few spins, they sim these games for billions upon billions of spins to test the numbers, the only time you can tell what it is going to happen is after the round ends.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

lol at people who can predict what a slot is going to do after a few spins, they sim these games for billions upon billions of spins to test the numbers, the only time you can tell what it is going to happen is after the round ends.

Funny you say that. I sometimes Skype my sessions to a friend and I'll often tell them what will happen. 'How did you know that' they say. It's easy. When a game is not paying it'll stay not paying for that session.

There are loads of things you can predict easily with slots when you've been playing a while.

One easy prediction for BOD is that if the scatters land the bonus but there is no other line win at the point of triggering the bonus, 90% of the time the resultant bonus will pay poorly. That's an observation over a very large sample size too.

I've also seen with BOD the EXACT same reel set up land within a small number of spins, multiple times. Which says to me the game is pulling from a limited number of outcomes at any one time. Which in turn explains streakiness and eternal cold sessions.

 

[snorky510238]

Funny you say that. I sometimes Skype my sessions to a friend and I'll often tell them what will happen. 'How did you know that' they say. It's easy. When a game is not paying it'll stay not paying for that session.

There are loads of things you can predict easily with slots when you've been playing a while.

One easy prediction for BOD is that if the scatters land the bonus but there is no other line win at the point of triggering the bonus, 90% of the time the resultant bonus will pay poorly. That's an observation over a very large sample size too.

Certain games are very easy to read. Most people just don’t take in what they actually see. That is why you get players on the Bonanza thread saying they didn’t hit a bonus round for 1,500 spins. I know if I didn’t use my observation I would have probably had countless sessions where I would have had the same outcome.

 

[Slottery]

So if you stop playing Bonanza after little while when you are sure you would need 1500 spins to reach bonus, you can be sure that it was actually like that (and prediction didn't break up and bonus would have landed on next spin)?

Should we really run some tests with these games which are easy to predict? Just which amount spins you need to see that you can predict is it's worth to play next what ever amount of spins (1000, 2000 or what ever)? We for sure can collect recorded game sessions and then people can make predictions what is end come after certain point and then it's easy to see how accurate that prediction was and there's no way to manipulate outcome as these are played already.

Not huge amount of work for few volunteers to record sessions and other group of volunteered predictors give their prediction of them, can make like 10-50 different sessions to all and then it can easily be proven that slots are predictable. Just have to decide what exactly (thatäs not really clearly stated that what exactly can be predicted, just pay or not pay would need some bit more rules like when next bonus is achieved, how much bonuses pays around (over or under certain X amount), are there any big basegame hits and what's balance after XXXX amount of spins).

What more scenarios there are to predict, more accurate it makes it and we have proof that some people are capable to make these predictions and who ever is saying it's impossible is quite wrong if someone can give accurate prediction from enough high percent of scenarios.

Easy, simple and can't be manipulated.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Who knew there were so many people who never lose playing online slots?

I mean, that's would happen in the scenarios explained above, isn't it? I wish I had a system to work out what entirely random games with a house edge will and won't do in any given session.

 

[Slottery]

Who knew there were so many people who never lose playing online slots?

I mean, that's would happen in the scenarios explained above, isn't it? I wish I had a system to work out what entirely random games with a house edge will and won't do in any given session.

Would be great short term income revenue for people who are capable of doing it, selling these tricks like people are selling their betting systems could have huge demand when proven to be accurate enough for profitable play.

Then naturally slots would change a lot to make these predictions useless but most probably if you were able to analyze and forecast current games, why wouldn't you adopt new behavior of them? I would write small book about best predictable slots and how to play them profitable, could ask quite a lot and offer moneyback guarantee if for certain time (until some changes to slots world have made).

 

[neon claws]

I am a slot programmer and yes; I can confirm that I definitely code in patterns, just to give players a chance to exploit them.
Even though it's way more trouble than just making them random and letting people imagine their own patterns what can I say, I'm trying to get fired!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I am a slot programmer and yes; I can confirm that I definitely code in patterns, just to give players a chance to exploit them.
Even though it's way more trouble than just making them random and letting people imagine their own patterns what can I say, I'm trying to get fired!

No-one said anything about being able to exploit anything though? You cannot change the spins you are given as an RNG result...and changing bet seems to change the behaviour of the slot anyway (as so many people have mentioned)...so you wouldn't even be able to exploit that way.

For the record, I'm not for one minute saying patterns are 'coded' into slots, just that there seems to be patterns of play within certain providers. I've never had that feeling on Netent for example.

 

[neon claws]

No-one said anything about being able to exploit anything though?

I sometimes Skype my sessions to a friend and I'll often tell them what will happen...It's easy. When a game is not paying it'll stay not paying for that session.

So if you can tell a "bad session" then don't play that session. Since the slot needs to meet its overall RTP you can just let all the non-psychic players play the crummy sessions and swoop in and take the winning sessions!

Or, by your own account, you can just change the bet since this also changes the behaviour of the slot, until you're on a good session.



It's just your brain looking for patterns, everyone's does it any everyone thinks these same things as you do initially. The only way you can ID a good or bad session is after the fact.

 

[bamberfishcake]

if its working for you then believe in it!

People believe in a mighty creator in the heavens looking down on us and effecting everything we do for the benefit of his worshippers.

They believe in it and the faith works for them.

I like the idea of recording some sessions and testing how we would read the slot. Great idea for a comp also.

By the way i tried to predict the 'feel' last night on the slots. Didnt work but it was fun trying and i like being a belieber believer

 

[Capitano]

Hi folks. Been following threads for a few weeks now but this is my first post.

So last night I deposited £30 into Grosvenor and played PNG Legacy of Egypt. It was on fire from the moment I started playing. I was getting bonus after bonus within 30 spins, and besides 3 or 4 dead ones, most of the bonus rounds gave me in excess of 30 spins (with the pyramid spins feature) and many x8 and a few of x10 pyramid spins. Some of the bonus rounds went on for nearly 10 minutes with plenty of pyramids and wilds all over the reels. Most of the wins were decent (besides those couple of dead ones that paid just the bonus trigger prize and were dead in the free games) but I also had a few big wins as well. I ended up cashing out with a very nice profit when the wins slowed down again and the balance started to slowly decrease. But when it was playing, I wasn’t waiting on the bonus, and wasn’t surprised when I hit another big win. Wish they played like that all the time lol.

I’m not saying to go and play Legacy of Egypt right now however, it was playing well last night and by luck I got it while it was hot. Could go on now and not see a pyramid all day. Just wish I could find DOA2 when it’s on fire like that

 

[flyingguy]

I've been playing png games a lot lately and came to my own conclusion, I think you need to have a fairly big balance (relative to stake size) to see out the bad patches so to speak. I've found most of their games to have very clear bad runs followed by short periods of good ones. At least with bonanza or doa you can be sure most of the time you'll get a decent amount of play from your bankroll, I've had sessions on BOD etc where you burn through your balance without even a bonus tease. The games are exciting to play though which I guess draws us back in. Last night I hit 15 pinks at £1 a spin for 750x, then I hit a decent run on BOD and the balance was up to £1500, followed by nearly 500 spins on some other pngs that wiped the balance. I also noticed they have a common pattern of giving you wins that get you just over a certain amount, e.g. £101 etc, I'm sure the programmers build it in as they know people tend to change slots at certain round numbers.

 

[WillPower505]

Hi folks. Been following threads for a few weeks now but this is my first post.

So last night I deposited £30 into Grosvenor and played PNG Legacy of Egypt. It was on fire from the moment I started playing. I was getting bonus after bonus within 30 spins, and besides 3 or 4 dead ones, most of the bonus rounds gave me in excess of 30 spins (with the pyramid spins feature) and many x8 and a few of x10 pyramid spins. Some of the bonus rounds went on for nearly 10 minutes with plenty of pyramids and wilds all over the reels. Most of the wins were decent (besides those couple of dead ones that paid just the bonus trigger prize and were dead in the free games) but I also had a few big wins as well. I ended up cashing out with a very nice profit when the wins slowed down again and the balance started to slowly decrease. But when it was playing, I wasn’t waiting on the bonus, and wasn’t surprised when I hit another big win. Wish they played like that all the time lol.

I’m not saying to go and play Legacy of Egypt right now however, it was playing well last night and by luck I got it while it was hot. Could go on now and not see a pyramid all day. Just wish I could find DOA2 when it’s on fire like that

Honestly I'm surprised anyone even plays that game. Its such a terrible game TBH. So many things have to line up to produce a decent hit. Its definitely one of those games that feels like its not random at all and if you're going to win its because you've been randomly selected to have a good session on the game.

However I do like a similar game Dawn of egypt. Its like legacy of egypt but more consistent with the bonus wins.

I've been playing png games a lot lately and came to my own conclusion, I think you need to have a fairly big balance (relative to stake size) to see out the bad patches so to speak. I've found most of their games to have very clear bad runs followed by short periods of good ones. At least with bonanza or doa you can be sure most of the time you'll get a decent amount of play from your bankroll, I've had sessions on BOD etc where you burn through your balance without even a bonus tease. The games are exciting to play though which I guess draws us back in. Last night I hit 15 pinks at £1 a spin for 750x, then I hit a decent run on BOD and the balance was up to £1500, followed by nearly 500 spins on some other pngs that wiped the balance. I also noticed they have a common pattern of giving you wins that get you just over a certain amount, e.g. £101 etc, I'm sure the programmers build it in as they know people tend to change slots at certain round numbers.

+1 for the big balances and hot and cold streaks. You noticed it very easily on games like rise of olympus and moon princess. You start those games up and no matter what you're going to lose like 10% of your balance on dead spins before anything starts to happen. Then you enter like a 2nd phase where you start hitting the mini bonuses to determine if you get a real bonus or not. If the game hates you that night you might get teased 5-7 times before you hit a bonus that only pays like 30x or pays like 80% of what it took from you, then the cycle repeats. But sometimes you can walk into a good session where you bonus into a 500x+ bonus.

And I agree with the certain amount being programmed into the balance. I think most people would agree this isn't a conspiracy but just obvious slot programming. Like if I was playing a slot and I have a balance of 119 and ive been playing for awhile, ill usually tell myself "ill leave at 110". So what usually happens is ill have a bunch of dead spins down to about 112 then a bonus symbol will show up, then at 111 you might get a bonus spin tease. And in your mind you go... "well the bonus symbols just started showing up again and I almost got it last spin, ill go down to 100". I'm pretty sure it's programmed to be that way, if it is... then doesn't that mean you can't call slots truly random if there is programmed events based on the dollar amount you have?

 

[WillPower505]

Another thing I noticed too... If I play certain games with a low balance, I noticed that they will just not hit no matter what. Like If I play PnG with 100$ all night, and I get my ass kicked and I have $20 left and I go to my favorite PnG slot or any slot for that matter, It's virtually impossible to come back once you drop below a certain % of your bankroll I believe. I think its programmed at a certain point to just be like... "alright lets just take the rest of his money so he has to deposit again" They wouldn't want to take like 80% of your bankroll then give it all back when you are virtually dead in the water.

This also works in reverse though I've noticed... If I have a big win and I bet LOWER than what I could be betting (have a balance of like $500 and bet 40 cents) then I notice you start winning more often, Its like smaller wins and more bonuses, but it feels like the game is trying to entice you to up your bet so it can try and take it all back right away.

 

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[snorky510238]

Would be great short term income revenue for people who are capable of doing it, selling these tricks like people are selling their betting systems could have huge demand when proven to be accurate enough for profitable play.

Then naturally slots would change a lot to make these predictions useless but most probably if you were able to analyze and forecast current games, why wouldn't you adopt new behavior of them? I would write small book about best predictable slots and how to play them profitable, could ask quite a lot and offer moneyback guarantee if for certain time (until some changes to slots world have made).

Anyone who was prepared to sell their goose that laid golden eggs would have to be considered naive at best.

 

[Kroffe]

Anyone who was prepared to sell their goose that laid golden eggs would have to be considered naive at best.

Levi would never sell Honkers.

 

[Slottery]

Anyone who was prepared to sell their goose that laid golden eggs would have to be considered naive at best.

No need to share where prediction is based so secret winning strategy can be kept in secret. Just show us non that talented people some magic tricks and after amount of spins needed to read game, just predict how it going to behave next what ever amount of spins. Nobody can know how your prediction is made and what it's based, you could just show to rest of people how have some doubts, that slots actually are easily predictable after playing them some time and gained experience to find these patterns which keep coming time after time.

Also you would get better understanding of your skills in predict slots outcome when you instead of stop playing something because it's not going to give you any winnings, would anyhow see what's outcome as these spins would get played and would back up that predictions are really accurate and not just lucky guesses based on something what happened sometimes.

So your gold eggs laid goose will 100% stay as your own secret, nobody can know from few different game sessions where you base your prediction if game will pay out our not and many people here and all over would admit being wrong all the time as slots can be predicted with high accuracy and not only "i have a feeling this is always doing this and this is not playing well now etc..." stories without anything concrete which makes it to be in same category if somebody keep repeating here time after time how he/she can easily predict enough correct lottery numbers in every 4th round based on 3 earlier to be able to play it profitable, maybe not huge wins but profitable strategy anyway.

Something easy to proof without telling what doing but still in long time, nobody haven't botherd to do that but instead keep repeating how easily slots are predicted, i personally would and usually try to back up my sayings with something what's based on something but just saying that some providers slots are easy to predict or evolution all games are rigged without anything more, just for most of people sound bit tinfoil theory. Happy if some can make fortunes with predicting slots but if i would promote my skills in public forums, i would also be ready to show it somehow after already making that big fortune with these predictions (if any provider/casino haven't in long time spotted that pattern/strategy used to be longtime profitable, no need to worry that somebody here would spot it from few sessions, really).

edit: Actually, why not selling limited amount of subsciptions for people, they start their slotting, streaming it for you and you tell them what to do to get out with positive outcome every time, just recognize which slot is paying and which is without playing any non winning games any round more than needed.

 

[snorky510238]

To be fair I have never said I make a fortune and I will admit that I do not know what a bonus round will pay. Merely that my predicted thoughts are right more often than not. This type of knowledge is more used to minimise damage than gain substantial amounts of cash. IMO it just increases your chances of winning ever so slightly and nothing more.

 

[Guntis]

IMO the most important thing is the ability to making a wise/correct decision after your first 100 spins; to keep on playing, change a game or leave a casino for today!

 

[Slottery]

To be fair I have never said I make a fortune and I will admit that I do not know what a bonus round will pay. Merely that my predicted thoughts are right more often than not. This type of knowledge is more used to minimise damage than gain substantial amounts of cash. IMO it just increases your chances of winning ever so slightly and nothing more.

That's for sure accurate predict which i can fully agree. When you invest your money to somewhere where your officially stated return of investment is negative, then you always minimise your damage when you stop (or better, don't even start) playing. I think people who have never played slots, have "won" more with that strategy than 99% of active slot players who have wagerered hundreds of thousands (wagered, not lost) in slots.

Best prediction if you don't wanna lose money is, don't gamble to anything based on RNG:s and return under 100%.

 

[WillPower505]

You can definitely time slots on what they will do and when they will pay. I've been banned off a PnG slot for a solid 2 weeks when every other PnG game was working fine for me. I was 4000x positive on the game over multiple sessions, then after 2 weeks of waiting and multiple emails to the casino who was emailing PnG on my behalf, they let me play the game again and of course no more winning on that slot.

 

[Halvor]

You can definitely time slots on what they will do and when they will pay. I've been banned off a PnG slot for a solid 2 weeks when every other PnG game was working fine for me. I was 4000x positive on the game over multiple sessions, then after 2 weeks of waiting and multiple emails to the casino who was emailing PnG on my behalf, they let me play the game again and of course no more winning on that slot.

Must be profitable to gamble for you then. Care to let us in on the bulletproof strategy that no one in the industry seems to be aware of?

 

[WillPower505]

Must be profitable to gamble for you then. Care to let us in on the bulletproof strategy that no one in the industry seems to be aware of?

It was just that game, I played it enough to notice its little quirks and once I did I started winning more on it. You act like its impossible when people literally get booted from casinos all the time for winning too much on slots for 'fraud'.

 

[Halvor]

It was just that game, I played it enough to notice its little quirks and once I did I started winning more on it. You act like its impossible when people literally get booted from casinos all the time for winning too much on slots for 'fraud'.

So feel free to share with us what it was then, it was clearly easy to spot for you so can't be that hard to explain?

 

[L&L-Jan]

PnG RTPs yesterday: 105.02%
PnG RTPs today: 102.10%
PnG RTPs MTD: 98.21%

Yes, seems they are squeezing it down

 

[Slottery]

PnG RTPs yesterday: 105.02%
PnG RTPs today: 102.10%
PnG RTPs MTD: 98.21%

Yes, seems they are squeezing it down

Maybe threads warning time has passed

 

[neon claws]

Maybe threads warning time has passed

Thank God
So it's safe to play again now??

 

[WillPower505]

So feel free to share with us what it was then, it was clearly easy to spot for you so can't be that hard to explain?

Had to do with timing the session as you start. I think there is something to the whole refreshing the page and loading certain sessions in games. First 10-20 spins if I didnt see a bonus symbol I reset cache/cookies. booted up the game. Now I dont think that had too much of an effect, but maybe one out of every 5 resets there will be a session that you will start seeing bonus symbols appear almost immediately and TO ME it feels like the session I loaded into has potential.

Now that I believe I had a good session there was a timing to the spins I would do where I would spin X seconds after the spin ended / winnings started counting. If I did it just right the games mini bonus feature would hit over and over (like 10 spins in a row). And If I did it too fast the game would give me a "lost connection to server/delay) or just straight kick me out where I had to reload the game again.

And if I could pull it off long enough I would be ahead on the game and eventually the game would kick me out and make me reload the game. Almost like the game knew something was off and wanted me off that particular session.

I can kind of do it on rise of Olympus for example and trigger those mini god features spin after spin until I hit a wraith of olympus mini bonus. Problem is that game is so hard to win anything good anymore that its not worth playing anyway. I would hit 200-600x bonuses on rise of olympus all the time, now im lucky to even get a retrigger on hades and even if I get one my max wins has never gone above 30x in the last 20 bonuses I've had on that game. Definitely feels like somethings up with it.

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.

 

[Kroffe]

Had to do with timing the session as you start. I think there is something to the whole refreshing the page and loading certain sessions in games. First 10-20 spins if I didnt see a bonus symbol I reset cache/cookies. booted up the game. Now I dont think that had too much of an effect, but maybe one out of every 5 resets there will be a session that you will start seeing bonus symbols appear almost immediately and TO ME it feels like the session I loaded into has potential.

Now that I believe I had a good session there was a timing to the spins I would do where I would spin X seconds after the spin ended / winnings started counting. If I did it just right the games mini bonus feature would hit over and over (like 10 spins in a row). And If I did it too fast the game would give me a "lost connection to server/delay) or just straight kick me out where I had to reload the game again.

And if I could pull it off long enough I would be ahead on the game and eventually the game would kick me out and make me reload the game. Almost like the game knew something was off and wanted me off that particular session.

I can kind of do it on rise of Olympus for example and trigger those mini god features spin after spin until I hit a wraith of olympus mini bonus. Problem is that game is so hard to win anything good anymore that its not worth playing anyway. I would hit 200-600x bonuses on rise of olympus all the time, now im lucky to even get a retrigger on hades and even if I get one my max wins has never gone above 30x in the last 20 bonuses I've had on that game. Definitely feels like somethings up with it.

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.

Could you make a video of you hitting the mini-feature in rise of olympus spin after spin?
Would be cool to see, and really shut up the non-believers.

 

[neon claws]

Had to do with timing the session as you start. I think there is something to the whole refreshing the page and loading certain sessions in games. First 10-20 spins if I didnt see a bonus symbol I reset cache/cookies. booted up the game. Now I dont think that had too much of an effect, but maybe one out of every 5 resets there will be a session that you will start seeing bonus symbols appear almost immediately and TO ME it feels like the session I loaded into has potential.

Now that I believe I had a good session there was a timing to the spins I would do where I would spin X seconds after the spin ended / winnings started counting. If I did it just right the games mini bonus feature would hit over and over (like 10 spins in a row). And If I did it too fast the game would give me a "lost connection to server/delay) or just straight kick me out where I had to reload the game again.

And if I could pull it off long enough I would be ahead on the game and eventually the game would kick me out and make me reload the game. Almost like the game knew something was off and wanted me off that particular session.

I can kind of do it on rise of Olympus for example and trigger those mini god features spin after spin until I hit a wraith of olympus mini bonus. Problem is that game is so hard to win anything good anymore that its not worth playing anyway. I would hit 200-600x bonuses on rise of olympus all the time, now im lucky to even get a retrigger on hades and even if I get one my max wins has never gone above 30x in the last 20 bonuses I've had on that game. Definitely feels like somethings up with it.

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.

Gambling has broken your brain.

 

[Halvor]

Had to do with timing the session as you start. I think there is something to the whole refreshing the page and loading certain sessions in games. First 10-20 spins if I didnt see a bonus symbol I reset cache/cookies. booted up the game. Now I dont think that had too much of an effect, but maybe one out of every 5 resets there will be a session that you will start seeing bonus symbols appear almost immediately and TO ME it feels like the session I loaded into has potential.

Now that I believe I had a good session there was a timing to the spins I would do where I would spin X seconds after the spin ended / winnings started counting. If I did it just right the games mini bonus feature would hit over and over (like 10 spins in a row). And If I did it too fast the game would give me a "lost connection to server/delay) or just straight kick me out where I had to reload the game again.

And if I could pull it off long enough I would be ahead on the game and eventually the game would kick me out and make me reload the game. Almost like the game knew something was off and wanted me off that particular session.

I can kind of do it on rise of Olympus for example and trigger those mini god features spin after spin until I hit a wraith of olympus mini bonus. Problem is that game is so hard to win anything good anymore that its not worth playing anyway. I would hit 200-600x bonuses on rise of olympus all the time, now im lucky to even get a retrigger on hades and even if I get one my max wins has never gone above 30x in the last 20 bonuses I've had on that game. Definitely feels like somethings up with it.

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.

First thing first, a slot game do not have a memory. and when you open the game or what not has no impact on how the RNG works.

And excuse me for being sceptical but i call bullshit on you hitting a bonus 10 times in a row, unless you are the luckiest person in the world. But feel free to share your game data to prove me wrong on this However even if you somehow had that insane luck it had absolutely nothing to do with when you hit spin or not, as if that would impact the outcome.

As for the game "kicking you out". sessions do get timed out at times, more so with some providers than others.This does NOT affect your randomly decided spins.

All in all, your ability to predict how a slot plays, just like everyone else that claims the same superpower, boils down to "TO ME it feels like".

 

[Roedgaard72]

Had to do with timing the session as you start. I think there is something to the whole refreshing the page and loading certain sessions in games. First 10-20 spins if I didnt see a bonus symbol I reset cache/cookies. booted up the game. Now I dont think that had too much of an effect, but maybe one out of every 5 resets there will be a session that you will start seeing bonus symbols appear almost immediately and TO ME it feels like the session I loaded into has potential.

Now that I believe I had a good session there was a timing to the spins I would do where I would spin X seconds after the spin ended / winnings started counting. If I did it just right the games mini bonus feature would hit over and over (like 10 spins in a row). And If I did it too fast the game would give me a "lost connection to server/delay) or just straight kick me out where I had to reload the game again.

And if I could pull it off long enough I would be ahead on the game and eventually the game would kick me out and make me reload the game. Almost like the game knew something was off and wanted me off that particular session.

I can kind of do it on rise of Olympus for example and trigger those mini god features spin after spin until I hit a wraith of olympus mini bonus. Problem is that game is so hard to win anything good anymore that its not worth playing anyway. I would hit 200-600x bonuses on rise of olympus all the time, now im lucky to even get a retrigger on hades and even if I get one my max wins has never gone above 30x in the last 20 bonuses I've had on that game. Definitely feels like somethings up with it.

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.
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At least I think you will have the support from @trancemonkey when it comes to these obvious theories.

 

[Slottery]

I'm also a firm believer that PnG has 'games of the week' that hit more often than others. There will be weeks where book of dead is hitting and printing money, but then it will die off the next week and rise of merlin will be one of the hot slots and there's a rotation they do on their slots.

Not really sure what incentive that would be for provider or casinos? Just for fun giving more winnings for players? That schedule would be worth of leaking to few friends by some PnG employee, but to be honest, i don't really see any logic in this. You obviously would need to do some changes to make game pay out more than normally which would probably have affect to RTP which i think is not really ok by the regulation point of view.

That wouldn't be hard to make game hot by changing it maths (just switch to other version) but still to first question for me would be that why? Why you would go to some really grey area without having clear benefit about doing that? It could be working promotion tool but you would then publish it and all casinos having that game would high light "game of the week" which pays more than normally (theoretically, don't mean that all would just win), that could collect some attention and deposits. Bit like Kindred have their exclusive higher RTP games for certain markets etc...

But without anyone knowing, why to taka less profit from game just because... why?

 

[WillPower505]

Could you make a video of you hitting the mini-feature in rise of olympus spin after spin?
Would be cool to see, and really shut up the non-believers.

Maybe... I mean if I made a video about it then its public knowledge and more likely to be fixed. Maybe if I made one I could share it with someone here in private and they can verify.

First thing first, a slot game do not have a memory. and when you open the game or what not has no impact on how the RNG works.

And excuse me for being sceptical but i call bullshit on you hitting a bonus 10 times in a row, unless you are the luckiest person in the world. But feel free to share your game data to prove me wrong on this However even if you somehow had that insane luck it had absolutely nothing to do with when you hit spin or not, as if that would impact the outcome.

As for the game "kicking you out". sessions do get timed out at times, more so with some providers than others.This does NOT affect your randomly decided spins.

All in all, your ability to predict how a slot plays, just like everyone else that claims the same superpower, boils down to "TO ME it feels like".

This is online gambling. Of course a game has memory. There's a reason why certain providers have a shit ton of tracking cookies implanted on your computer everytime you play. I think I heard PnG has the most with like 20+ tracking cookies. If they can record every spin and look at every moment of your play to determine if people are fraudulent playing, then you bet your ass they can program a game to have memory of your gaming sessions (how much you lost / won etc) why wouldn't they? It'd be stupid not to.

and about the 10 bonuses in a row. I'm talking about mini bonuses in games like rise of olympus, triggering the god mini bonuses which eventually leads to the main bonus. Obviously if I hit 10 main bonuses in a row id be banned from the casinos because they can track that.

And about me being timed out... I can do it on command if I wanted to by my own actions. Its not randomly 'from time to time'. Yes for most people its random connection problem, but for me my actions in the game can trigger the game to kick me out or maybe im inadvertently doing something to mess up the calculating and it makes me lose connection. Either way I can make it kick me out.

Not really sure what incentive that would be for provider or casinos? Just for fun giving more winnings for players? That schedule would be worth of leaking to few friends by some PnG employee, but to be honest, i don't really see any logic in this. You obviously would need to do some changes to make game pay out more than normally which would probably have affect to RTP which i think is not really ok by the regulation point of view.

That wouldn't be hard to make game hot by changing it maths (just switch to other version) but still to first question for me would be that why? Why you would go to some really grey area without having clear benefit about doing that? It could be working promotion tool but you would then publish it and all casinos having that game would high light "game of the week" which pays more than normally (theoretically, don't mean that all would just win), that could collect some attention and deposits. Bit like Kindred have their exclusive higher RTP games for certain markets etc...

But without anyone knowing, why to taka less profit from game just because... why?

I don't know why they would do it, maybe you're right, maybe they do it because its a sneaky way to get their friends and family to play and make money. Or maybe its a great way to highlight their games on casinos and get people sucked into their games.

But you can sometimes pickup the trends, especially with streamers. One week everyones having massive wins on reactoonz, then next week its rise of merlin, then book of dead, etc.

Does anyone have any kind of software to track your stats? maybe ill start recording all my data to show you guys.

 

[Halvor]

There's absolutely nothing in your post that even holds a shred of truth in how slot games work.

I'll wait for your game data showing the 10 features in a row then...

 

[WillPower505]

There's absolutely nothing in your post that even holds a shred of truth in how slot games work.

I'll wait for your game data showing the 10 features in a row then...

I'm not claiming to know how slots work, I'm just telling you what happens to me. Unless you work as a slot maker or know how the inside of the industry works you don't know either. So step off the pedestal o holy one.

 

[trancemonkey]

I'm not claiming to know how slots work, I'm just telling you what happens to me. Unless you work as a slot maker or know how the inside of the industry works you don't know either. So step off the pedestal o holy one.

As i do both of those things (work as a slot maker [games producer] and know how the inside of the industry works) am I allowed to comment?

 

[Halvor]

I'm not claiming to know how slots work, I'm just telling you what happens to me. Unless you work as a slot maker or know how the inside of the industry works you don't know either. So step off the pedestal o holy one.

Funnily enough I work for a game provider and know the inside of how the industry works. Can I step back on the pedestal?

 

[trancemonkey]

Funnily enough I work for a game provider and know the inside of how the industry works. Can I step back on the pedestal?

I didn't want to steal your thunder and tell them that

 

[trancemonkey]

I'll regreat this, but here goes...

Maybe... I mean if I made a video about it then its public knowledge and more likely to be fixed. Maybe if I made one I could share it with someone here in private and they can verify.

You've already outed it - if there is an issue, it will be fixed

This is online gambling. Of course a game has memory. There's a reason why certain providers have a shit ton of tracking cookies implanted on your computer everytime you play. I think I heard PnG has the most with like 20+ tracking cookies. If they can record every spin and look at every moment of your play to determine if people are fraudulent playing, then you bet your ass they can program a game to have memory of your gaming sessions (how much you lost / won etc) why wouldn't they? It'd be stupid not to.

In regulated markets it would be a) stupid to do so and b) entirely illegal.

and about the 10 bonuses in a row. I'm talking about mini bonuses in games like rise of olympus, triggering the god mini bonuses which eventually leads to the main bonus. Obviously if I hit 10 main bonuses in a row id be banned from the casinos because they can track that.

You would only be banned if you were doing something illegal.

And about me being timed out... I can do it on command if I wanted to by my own actions. Its not randomly 'from time to time'. Yes for most people its random connection problem, but for me my actions in the game can trigger the game to kick me out or maybe im inadvertently doing something to mess up the calculating and it makes me lose connection. Either way I can make it kick me out.

If you can "make it" kick you out, then either you have found a bug, and they should be notified, or you are likely doing something illegal. Make a video of you doing this and post it on here.

I don't know why they would do it, maybe you're right, maybe they do it because its a sneaky way to get their friends and family to play and make money. Or maybe its a great way to highlight their games on casinos and get people sucked into their games.

They wouldn't because it makes no sense to do so... and it's illegal (in regulated markets)

But you can sometimes pickup the trends, especially with streamers. One week everyones having massive wins on reactoonz, then next week its rise of merlin, then book of dead, etc.

Almost as if it's random...?

Does anyone have any kind of software to track your stats? maybe ill start recording all my data to show you guys.

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[neon claws]

I make slots and also own a casino and I can 100% confirm everything this guy has said is true, he got us.. we coded all these little things in thinking no-one would ever exploit them and well, I guess that was a really silly move, in retrospect.

 

[Slottery]

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That's one simple tool have all needed stats and number in easy format to show success in predicting slots behaviour and point out repeating patterns without exploiting secret strategies to anyone. Also would give everybody clear raw numbers about slot success instead of vague feeling about how slots are playing (as we like to make these assumptions quite a lot based of feeling and "i have seen this same happening all over and again"). Easy to compare differences between pure random slot session where just making more spins and sessions with advanced strategies.

 

[WillPower505]

Funnily enough I work for a game provider and know the inside of how the industry works. Can I step back on the pedestal?

do you work as a slot maker? not work FOR a game provider. sitting at a desk answering emails isn't the same thing as working as someone who has in-depth knowledge about how they work.

I'll regreat this, but here goes...



You've already outed it - if there is an issue, it will be fixed

It already was on the first game I was talking about, which is why I was up 4000x and pretty much banned from the slot for 2 weeks.

Seems like a pretty big leap to say im wrong about all this but I get banned from a single slot for 2 weeks from a provider while all their other games work just fine.

In regulated markets it would be a) stupid to do so and b) entirely illegal.

nobody ever does anything illegal ever when money is involved. NO way. especially not in casinos, the most legit businesses in existence. Nope never happens.

You would only be banned if you were doing something illegal.

Don't give me that, people get banned for any dumb reason a casino wants so they dont have to pay people.

If you can "make it" kick you out, then either you have found a bug, and they should be notified, or you are likely doing something illegal. Make a video of you doing this and post it on here.

Most likely a bug, or some kind of slot feature that kicks people off for having a good session. When it happens 'naturally' it always seems to happen when the slot starts paying out. Funny enough once I start winning money 'oops lost connection'.

They wouldn't because it makes no sense to do so... and it's illegal (in regulated markets)

Once again... this is a squeaky clean industry right? nothing bad ever happens when lots of money is involved right? Funny how you have to add (in regulated markets) to your response as if being regulated means they can't do bad things. As if the regulators are these moral bastions of society that keep our lovely casino industry in check. No way they could ever be swayed otherwise.

Almost as if it's random...?

Most likely, but also odd how you have those weeks where every streamer seems to hit big on a certain slot don't you think. Jammin jars a month ago comes to mind.

 

[Halvor]

do you work as a slot maker? not work FOR a game provider. sitting at a desk answering emails isn't the same thing as working as someone who has in-depth knowledge about how they work.

If I only sit at my desk and answer emails all day, can I still stay on my pedestal?

I find the idea that only a person directly making the game having any sort of knowledge of it's workings while you supposedly as a player would know more than an employee based on what you feel while playing it, nothing short of hilarious.

I do not know what you define as a slot maker. If that means a person like Tracemonkey that actually do several aspects of the game itself, including maths. then no I'm not.

I am however involved in the production of my companies games from the concept stage till the finalised product and have full access to all aspects of the game, including the maths.

Producing a game is not a one man process but involves a full team.

 

[trancemonkey]

do you work as a slot maker? not work FOR a game provider. sitting at a desk answering emails isn't the same thing as working as someone who has in-depth knowledge about how they work.



It already was on the first game I was talking about, which is why I was up 4000x and pretty much banned from the slot for 2 weeks.

Seems like a pretty big leap to say im wrong about all this but I get banned from a single slot for 2 weeks from a provider while all their other games work just fine.




nobody ever does anything illegal ever when money is involved. NO way. especially not in casinos, the most legit businesses in existence. Nope never happens.




Don't give me that, people get banned for any dumb reason a casino wants so they dont have to pay people.



Most likely a bug, or some kind of slot feature that kicks people off for having a good session. When it happens 'naturally' it always seems to happen when the slot starts paying out. Funny enough once I start winning money 'oops lost connection'.



Once again... this is a squeaky clean industry right? nothing bad ever happens when lots of money is involved right? Funny how you have to add (in regulated markets) to your response as if being regulated means they can't do bad things. As if the regulators are these moral bastions of society that keep our lovely casino industry in check. No way they could ever be swayed otherwise.



Most likely, but also odd how you have those weeks where every streamer seems to hit big on a certain slot don't you think. Jammin jars a month ago comes to mind.

I already regret this, so consider this my last response to these points:

1. Is the industry squeaky clean? Hell no, but it's a very very large industry and some parts are VERY heavily regulated. So some bits are much cleaner than others
2. You have no idea whatsoever how some regulators behave, because (i guess) you have never directly dealt with them. I have. And do. Regularly. It is MY JOB to make sure games pass a whole plethora of compliance regulations, so yes, i know the intimately, and those i don't know, we have an entire compliance department to deal with. It reminds me of a meme:

Professional: 20 years in the job, dealing with multiple markets both online and offline, dealing directly with regulators and test house, overseeing maths, art and dev on all of the games i have designed and worked on
Person-on-internet: Bull shit

3. The UKGC may not be a moral bastion of society but they have (and continue to do so) implemented some of the strictest gambling regulations in the world. I assume you are entirely familiar with all the RGS techincal regulations, as well as all the other regulations we have to abide by / deal with. So you know this, right?
4.Casinos can (and do) ban people for all sorts of reasons. I don't agree that anyone should EVER be banned for winning fair and square.

TM

 

[toph11]

i did 10 deposits to play only play n go slots early this month
i went bust on all 10 without little to no game play

 

[trancemonkey]

i did 10 deposits to play only play n go slots early this month
i went bust on all 10 without little to no game play

I hope you won't give them any more of your money