Whamoo Casino - Check RTP via 'Inspect'

EuropaEclipse

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Hey! Does anyone know how to check the RTP of a game using the 'Inspect' element within Chrome?

I was playing on PlaynGo slots at Whamoo **snip** (which advertise the default RTP of ~96.2%. However the gameplay was Very* noticeable that it was playing at a much lower RTP, compared to playing on PlaynGo slots on Novibet, for example.

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play n go are well known for offering several maths models of RTP on there slots,best way to check RTP on a slot is load the slot and click the info/? icon will show all information of slot etc including RTP
 

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play n go are well known for offering several maths models of RTP on there slots,best way to check RTP on a slot is load the slot and click the info/? icon will show all information of slot etc including RT

  • I am aware of the multiple variants
  • I am aware that this can be checked by clicking '?'
My question is, can someone check the RTP by right-clicking > 'Inspect' because it's possible to also check the RTP there.
 

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It depends on the provider and whether they pass that information in any of the communications. In Chrome developer tools, use the 'network' tab and see if any of the playngo requests in there contain an RTP number (sometimes they do).

That said, it's impossible for a single player to 'feel' an RTP difference over the small number of spins that they do, so it's much more likely you will have just had a run of bad luck :)
 

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That said, it's impossible for a single player to 'feel' an RTP difference over the small number of spins that they do, so it's much more likely you will have just had a run of bad luck :)
500 spins game session in 84% PnG can be better for the player than 500 spins session in 96% PnG.
Impossible to say anything about theoretical RTP because spin amount is so low.
Player needs to play tens and tens of same sessions and at that point the difference starts to show in the statistics.
Sure 12 points difference is so big there that the number of rounds doesn't even have to be huge.

But if player wants to compare difference between 94 and 94 in real life at that point the number of rounds should be quite large depending on the game. An here you also have to pay attention to the volatility of the game
 

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Hey! Does anyone know how to check the RTP of a game using the 'Inspect' element within Chrome?

I was playing on PlaynGo slots at Whamoo **snip** (which advertise the default RTP of ~96.2%. However the gameplay was Very* noticeable that it was playing at a much lower RTP, compared to playing on PlaynGo slots on Novibet, for example.

Cheers!
Please do not link to casinos unless they are CM reviewed! Thanks.
 

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It depends on the provider and whether they pass that information in any of the communications. In Chrome developer tools, use the 'network' tab and see if any of the playngo requests in there contain an RTP number (sometimes they do).

That said, it's impossible for a single player to 'feel' an RTP difference over the small number of spins that they do, so it's much more likely you will have just had a run of bad luck :)
If you were to put 10euro into 'Raging Rex 2' on a 96.2% version, then put 10 euro into a 94.2% version, I guarantee you'll notice the difference.
 

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I'm not sure I understand, sir. Many CM certified casinos are total garbage.
Whatever your opinion, the people in charge have reviewed them accordingly, unlike the clip joint you linked to.

If you're having difficulty understanding me, I suggest you read the forum rules - do NOT post links to external sites without permission.

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Check out 1.3 among others.
 

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Whatever your opinion, the people in charge have reviewed them accordingly, unlike the clip joint you linked to.

If you're having difficulty understanding me, I suggest you read the forum rules - do NOT post links to external sites without permission.

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Check out 1.3 among others.
I will take a look
 

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It depends on the provider and whether they pass that information in any of the communications. In Chrome developer tools, use the 'network' tab and see if any of the playngo requests in there contain an RTP number (sometimes they do).

That said, it's impossible for a single player to 'feel' an RTP difference over the small number of spins that they do, so it's much more likely you will have just had a run of bad luck :)

I have to disagree here and think it's wrong to suggest to players they won't notice a difference in different RTP models. That is a very broad and bold statement.

It depends on the game and how the game has been changed to compensate for the lower payout.

Dazza also has an RTP calculator on his site which tells you the average difference in time spent on the reels. Even if you can't tell the difference over a small number of spins because of a keen hit frequency and low volatility, the difference is evident in your session time and wallet.
 

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Statistically, no, you will not :)
Statistically, it depends on the game. A Quickspin I saw the other day has a bonus hit frequency on a 96%er of 1 in 176ish compared to the 94%er of 1 in 145ish.

So, statistically, you will, even over a small number of spins. There are many more games and developers whose different models, I would suggest, stand out like a sore thumb.

I don't have enough experience playing different models side by side to back up what I say, but then again, I don't think anyone has, nevertheless, statistically, you will notice the difference, and more on some games than others depending on how the game has been changed.

Its simple, one pays more, fact :)

Why put it down to bad luck? statistically - it's because you are playing a lower-paying version, so logic dictates its because of the model, not bad luck. To me anyway :)
 

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I think what reel story meant is statistically if you played £10 etc into any slot on different RTP you are extremely unlikely to notice any difference esp if your using 1 bets and even 0.20 bets you wouldn't have known which one was higher consistently, and I totally agree with him also.

Very long term absolutely you will tell, but consistently from 10-50 spins not a chance.

Standard deviation would hide any RTP difference for quite a while overall.
 

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I think what reel story meant is statistically if you played £10 etc into any slot on different RTP you are extremely unlikely to notice any difference esp if your using 1 bets and even 0.20 bets you wouldn't have known which one was higher consistently, and I totally agree with him also.

Very long term absolutely you will tell, but consistently from 10-50 spins not a chance.

Standard deviation would hide any RTP difference for quite a while overall.

In any case, it's bad advice to tell someone you probably had bad luck, and statistically, you won't notice it, when it might not be bad luck, and statistically, there are, and can be significant differences in gameplay by playing a lower RTP version.
 

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Try playing a lowered RTP version of Playn'go Book of Dead for an hour and then switch to a normal version and you'll notice the outright robbery almost instantly :D

I think I noticed a difference playing the VS battles when the RTP dropped on Book of Dead. Trouble is, due to the random nature of slots, it can always be argued that it might be bad luck, but I prefer not to play lower versions than take the risk.

Besides, the more you feed the reductions, the more you will see, The power really is with the players and what they play, we carve our own paths, but the industry hangs on by trying to conceal the fact that slots with the same name, from the same developer, like Book of Dead, can be completely different at different casinos and expertly built to pay less, guaranteed.
 

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I wasn't recommending whether someone should or shouldn't play high or low RTP versions of games. I simply stated the fact. Statistically, over the small number of spins you're likely to do, you won't notice. You can argue with that if you want, but it's Maths, and it's pretty solid :-/
 

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Yes, maths does tend to be solid :p

Noticing the difference depends on many things, like what game, what has changed, and what models are we talking about. But I agree to disagree whilst agreeing that the maths is solid but think our interpretation of the result of said solid maths differs :)
 

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It does indeed depend on the models. A low volatility game (or indeed, a zero volatility game that just took £1 and returned £0.94 every spin) would of course be noticeable. The example given was Raging Rex 2 though, which as far as I can remember is pretty high volatility. The higher the volatility, the less noticeable any RTP reduction will be in a short-term set of spins.
 

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They must also do other fuckery to slots like changing bonus hit rates without changing RTP. DOA2 is a great example in my experience. I remember first playing it a couple of years ago and I’d get my fair share of spin ups/draws/teases for the bonus (landing two scatters before the last reel). I’d get enough third scatters to be happy. Nowadays I’m lucky to even see one scatter let alone two. And a bonus? Close to never.
 

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