Depositing at Videoslots again, because at least it works

[kidgloves]

Just going back to Chocolates - the RTP is clearly displayed at Videoslots but the same menu screen for Chocolates at Bet365 does not show the RTP. Given Bet 365's reputation for higher RTP's it's unusual it's not displayed here.

 

[Kroffe]

Just going back to Chocolates - the RTP is clearly displayed at Videoslots but the same menu screen for Chocolates at Bet365 does not show the RTP. Given Bet 365's reputation for higher RTP's it's unusual it's not displayed here.

I think its just a different version, if you press the (!) in the upper left corner on the Bet365 version it will open a window showing the rtp (among other things).
I think the same is true for all BTG slots, as in they all have a MG version that plays slightly different, for example on Bonanza the cascades are super fast compared to the original version.

 

[Guntis]

The thing for me is that this is what talk about reloading the slot to get a 'different session', or indeed literally any 'technique' whatsoever when applied to a random game with a house edge, sounds like

You press SPIN, your client requests a result from the server's RNG, the result is generated, and it's returned to your client to display it, be it a Jammin' Jars style game scratchcard that plays out a pre-scripted sequence, or individual stop results for each reel, a pick-me round result, whatever.

That's it, that's the whole thing. Always.

So take Book Of Dead for example, you don't need a massive number of spins to determine average feature frequency and distribution within decent mathematically accurate boundaries, especially when the feature is fairly common as it is on BoD.

Give it 20K spins and track your stats into two data sets, one set is reloading the slot every 100 spins, one set is (if possible) a single extended session, or at least as close as you can get. I guarantee you'll be very close in terms of feature frequency and distribution by the end of it.

50K spins done in the same way would be margin of error closeness.

I've done quite a bit of stats-tracking on Bonanza over in the Bonanza thread, with all my numbers there for everyone to see, there are good, bad and middling sessions in there, but if you average them out, you're incredibly close to the expected feature frequency (1/460) and RTP.

Just for fun to see what happens, i'll give it a go as you say - around 20k spins on BOD - and I'll try both sets non-stop.

But to me, reloading the game is like jumping to another slot machine at a real casino rather than staying on the same one non-stop.

Essentially, i don't want the previous game session associated with me as soon as i close it down. It just looks odd to me.

Online, it's generally possible to avoid this by starting the same game on another site. On the same site, most providers i play save your game, except for Play'n GO, and previously, NetEnt. Now Netent does it too.

At a real casino it's simple. Just leave a slot machine as soon as you see it 'dying' and try the same game on another. It's a fresh start and has nothing to do with the game I just played.

A real world example would be if both of us had £300 - you would stay on one machine, while I would spread my £300 across 2 or 3 depending on how the first one plays out after some 50-100 spins.

Sure it's not magic but from experience i think it's more profitable.

 

[kidgloves]

I think its just a different version, if you press the (!) in the upper left corner on the Bet365 version it will open a window showing the rtp (among other things).
I think the same is true for all BTG slots, as in they all have a MG version that plays slightly different, for example on Bonanza the cascades are super fast compared to the original version.

Thanks Kroffe - that little ! evaded me.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just for fun to see what happens, i'll give it a go as you say - around 20k spins on BOD - and I'll try both sets non-stop.

But to me, reloading the game is like jumping to another slot machine at a real casino rather than staying on the same one non-stop.

Essentially, i don't want the previous game session associated with me as soon as i close it down. It just looks odd to me.

Online, it's generally possible to avoid this by starting the same game on another site. On the same site, most providers i play save your game, except for Play'n GO, and previously, NetEnt. Now Netent does it too.

At a real casino it's simple. Just leave a slot machine as soon as you see it 'dying' and try the same game on another. It's a fresh start and has nothing to do with the game I just played.

A real world example would be if both of us had £300 - you would stay on one machine, while I would spread my £300 across 2 or 3 depending on how the first one plays out after some 50-100 spins.

Sure it's not magic but from experience i think it's more profitable.

Well it it's more profitable then you've just beaten the entire online casino system and managed to create higher RTP versions of online slots for yourself

We had a good chat about this sort of thing over at Desert Island Fruits in relation to randomness, as random machines are now the standard in UK pubs. It was in relation to the 50/50 card gambles that some machines offer, and as random chance will eventually achieve near-perfect 50/50 distribution in the results, if you watch someone lose a load of gambles on a long run of red, is it correct to guess black if you jump on the machine next?

Online slots are, in a way, just roulette wheels with a massively expanded set of results, and the same principles of randomness applies.

Anyway, a few decent comments from that thread.


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[ChopleyIOM]

Going to have a midweek punt at this arsehole.

King of Cats? Cunt of Cats, more like.

DING DING ROUND THREE - So far I am two rounds down to this, with the second round being a brutal knockout.

Hope springs eternal!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This game can be pure filth when it wants to be.

Hundreds of spins for a bonus, TWO RETRIGGERS, and it still finishes at 31x.

Feature start.



First retrigger.



Second retrigger.



27 spins in total. Epic multipliers (you can see those to the right) that missed time and time again.



Not impressed!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Not amazing but the best so far.

Purple gems with a big multiplier, x8 times x12 = 96x = 480x for a 5OAK. Put a purple gem on reel 6 there and that would have been 2400x just for a single 6OAK!

Anyway, finally a solid bonus round, 521x.

And this was only two reels covered with the multiplying wilds, all four on reels 2-4 can land simultaneously in free spins.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well that's a bit more like it, just over doubled my money and can withdraw £203.

My overall RTP on the game is still a bit off the pace, but this is a big improvement.

Plenty of features in 2140 spins, along with a 67x and 103x basegame hit.

Finish point after a final decent win in the basegame to take me over £200. (I'd already decided to call it at either £150 or £200, whichever happened first.)



All feature and notable (50x or better) basegame pays for the session:

(RT indicates retrigger, leading number denotes how many, i.e. 1RT, 2RT etc.)



Tonight's session:



Overall RTP on this slot so far:

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I decided to stick around for more, paid off!

608x

 

[Reelsoffun]

That’s another under rated game I feel, had some monsters on it. But another one that if it’s cold can really hurt.

 

[Kroffe]

I decided to stick around for more, paid off!

608x

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You should play Starquest.
For some reason that slot disappeared from the Swedish market but i think its still available to others.
If memory serves it was like a Megaways version of Starburst with multiplying wilds.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That’s another under rated game I feel, had some monsters on it. But another one that if it’s cold can really hurt.

TBH I've got something of a renewed respect for BTG's output here in the year 2024. Their stuff is often too volatile for where I'd prefer to be, but fundamentally the RTPs are solid - (at least on the old stuff, I note VS are taking their newer games at 94% and I won't be touching those with a bargepole) - so as long as you've got the bankroll to ride them out, they'll get there in the end, and there's always the chance of a monster pay, which the likes of Blueprints are fundamentally incapable of.

BTG's production values are generally high, I like their visual and sound design, and once you get past the Megaways thing (and not all of their games even use them), there's a decent amount of variety in their portfolio. (Lucky Streak Mark 2 is fantastic, a superb theme for a slot, executed brilliantly.)

Sometimes it all goes a bit wrong IMO, for example Rasputin Megaways with the fully evolved reels that turns into an unamusing farce, but all providers have their hits and misses

 

[mack341]

Jungle spirit by netent is a very dangerous game imo, I've given it a few goes over the years. It's still around in its 96% form, but getting north of £35 down on 20p is remarkably easy to do, the butterfly bonus is sort of capped at 50x, never got anywhere near a £10 tbh.

So that versus bonanza, or several other btg games, and the choice is clear. The all the ways can come in and give you a 500x.

It's a mystery to me what netent do with the rtp really. Perhaps if you played their games at £10 a spin, the dynamics might be in your favour of getting £1-200 up and then bailing out.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Yes I like queen of riches but not available to me on videoslots.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Back home late this evening after a busy day.

Fired up Queen Of Riches again.

After 11 spins it does this. (The autoplayer there is on 89, that's 11 spins into my first 100 spin block.)

This balance is from my £100 deposit two nights ago.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

In the interests of balance, I then moved onto Star Quest, which promptly did this to me

Would have been worse than this but for a late 192x win.

Not that many spins but still enough to take my balance down £100 from its peak on 20p spins!

HV slots certainly are a roller coaster of emotions

 

[mack341]

Back home late this evening after a busy day.

Fired up Queen Of Riches again.

After 11 spins it does this. (The autoplayer there is on 89, that's 11 spins into my first 100 spin block.)

This balance is from my £100 deposit two nights ago.

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You went back to dip your toe in the water because you suspected (rightly) that this random, non-compensatory slot was doing a bit of hot streak activity

Now will you go and dip your toe back into starquest or queen of bitches if you had to choose one?

£100 (could've been more?) down on a slot, playing 20p, imo does challenge the random feel when it's happened to me.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You went back to dip your toe in the water because you suspected (rightly) that this random, non-compensatory slot was doing a bit of hot streak activity

Now will you go and dip your toe back into starquest or queen of bitches if you had to choose one?

£100 (could've been more?) down on a slot, playing 20p, imo does challenge the random feel when it's happened to me.

Star Quest has redeemed itself a bit

538x

HV games are just really lumpy, and human beings love to see patterns in things that aren't really there.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I've now been playing on the same £100 deposit at VS since the 3rd September, all on BTG slots (checking they're at 96% or higher RTP), generally grinding away at the same game for quite an extended period until it kicks something back, and sometimes staying on after that point.

All play has been on 20p spins.

Stats below, but the key takeaway is clearly that decent, long runs on gameplay are still entirely possible.

My balance has dropped quite a bit since its peak of £350, but I still have a withdrawable balance of £219.78p from a £100 deposit I made five days ago.

CHOPLEY'S BIG ASSERTION - Online slots are the same as they've ever been, stick to 96% or better (unless low volatility game), match your stake to bankroll, be prepared to ride out the down patches, and they'll get there in the end. You'll lose over time, of course you will, you're playing a random game with a generous house edge (4% is a generous house edge), but you can still have some fun with your money.

They're not compensated, they don't cheat you, they haven't been gimped - (unless you're playing 94% slots, PRO TIP, don't do that) - there are no patterns and you can't predict in advance if you're going to have a good or bad session. If you could you'd be a millionaire already.

If you have a different opinion then fine, but it'd be nice if you could produce the receipts, as I keep doing with my actual stats which I post here for everyone to see.

Deposit, have a spin, be prepared to lose, but hope to win.

Session stats since 3rd September:

Overall extended session RTP = 102.2%
Overall sessions spins total = 11490

Total playtime = Around 19 hours (evidenced by Bandicam footage)

 

[dunover]

I've now been playing on the same £100 deposit at VS since the 3rd September, all on BTG slots (checking they're at 96% or higher RTP), generally grinding away at the same game for quite an extended period until it kicks something back, and sometimes staying on after that point.

All play has been on 20p spins.

Stats below, but the key takeaway is clearly that decent, long runs on gameplay are still entirely possible.

My balance has dropped quite a bit since its peak of £350, but I still have a withdrawable balance of £219.78p from a £100 deposit I made five days ago.

CHOPLEY'S BIG ASSERTION - Online slots are the same as they've ever been, stick to 96% or better (unless low volatility game), match your stake to bankroll, be prepared to ride out the down patches, and they'll get there in the end. You'll lose over time, of course you will, you're playing a random game with a generous house edge (4% is a generous house edge), but you can still have some fun with your money.

They're not compensated, they don't cheat you, they haven't been gimped - (unless you're playing 94% slots, PRO TIP, don't do that) - there are no patterns and you can't predict in advance if you're going to have a good or bad session. If you could you'd be a millionaire already.

If you have a different opinion then fine, but it'd be nice if could produce the receipts, as I keep doing with my actual stats which I post here for everyone to see.

Deposit, have a spin, be prepared to lose, but hope to win.

Session stats since 3rd September:

Overall extended session RTP = 102.2%
Overall sessions spins total = 11490

Total playtime = Around 19 hours (evidenced by Bandicam footage)

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Yeah, 102.2% on BTG slots only, for an extended time...
No reason why with a little stake strategy that you can't keep that going for a year or two.

 

[geordiecolin]

I've now been playing on the same £100 deposit at VS since the 3rd September, all on BTG slots (checking they're at 96% or higher RTP), generally grinding away at the same game for quite an extended period until it kicks something back, and sometimes staying on after that point.

All play has been on 20p spins.

Stats below, but the key takeaway is clearly that decent, long runs on gameplay are still entirely possible.

My balance has dropped quite a bit since its peak of £350, but I still have a withdrawable balance of £219.78p from a £100 deposit I made five days ago.

CHOPLEY'S BIG ASSERTION - Online slots are the same as they've ever been, stick to 96% or better (unless low volatility game), match your stake to bankroll, be prepared to ride out the down patches, and they'll get there in the end. You'll lose over time, of course you will, you're playing a random game with a generous house edge (4% is a generous house edge), but you can still have some fun with your money.

They're not compensated, they don't cheat you, they haven't been gimped - (unless you're playing 94% slots, PRO TIP, don't do that) - there are no patterns and you can't predict in advance if you're going to have a good or bad session. If you could you'd be a millionaire already.

If you have a different opinion then fine, but it'd be nice if could produce the receipts, as I keep doing with my actual stats which I post here for everyone to see.

Deposit, have a spin, be prepared to lose, but hope to win.

Session stats since 3rd September:

Overall extended session RTP = 102.2%
Overall sessions spins total = 11490

Total playtime = Around 19 hours (evidenced by Bandicam footage)

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Videoslots has been my main place to play at for maybe 7 years. I expect to lose long term for the fun I get from slotting and despite the changes over the past few years my RTP has improved over that time. Which proves to me that Videoslots are still doing most things right. ( On a shit run there at the moment )

 

[Kroffe]

I've now been playing on the same £100 deposit at VS since the 3rd September, all on BTG slots (checking they're at 96% or higher RTP), generally grinding away at the same game for quite an extended period until it kicks something back, and sometimes staying on after that point.

All play has been on 20p spins.

Stats below, but the key takeaway is clearly that decent, long runs on gameplay are still entirely possible.

My balance has dropped quite a bit since its peak of £350, but I still have a withdrawable balance of £219.78p from a £100 deposit I made five days ago.

CHOPLEY'S BIG ASSERTION - Online slots are the same as they've ever been, stick to 96% or better (unless low volatility game), match your stake to bankroll, be prepared to ride out the down patches, and they'll get there in the end. You'll lose over time, of course you will, you're playing a random game with a generous house edge (4% is a generous house edge), but you can still have some fun with your money.

They're not compensated, they don't cheat you, they haven't been gimped - (unless you're playing 94% slots, PRO TIP, don't do that) - there are no patterns and you can't predict in advance if you're going to have a good or bad session. If you could you'd be a millionaire already.

If you have a different opinion then fine, but it'd be nice if you could produce the receipts, as I keep doing with my actual stats which I post here for everyone to see.

Deposit, have a spin, be prepared to lose, but hope to win.

Session stats since 3rd September:

Overall extended session RTP = 102.2%
Overall sessions spins total = 11490

Total playtime = Around 19 hours (evidenced by Bandicam footage)

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Receipts, and despite what women tell you size does matter so these are obviously more legit than your small receipts.
Confirmed as rigged until you can provide bigger receipts proving otherwise.

I have even bigger receipts but when i try to display the rtp from 2019 up until current date the site just loads for an eternity then crashes, and its annoying doing it in batches of a couple months so i wont bother with it until i see bigger receipts from you.
The site doesnt seem to like it when its more than a couple thousand spins it has to display.

 

[Jono777]

Yeah, Sorry Chops but that's a load of rubbish mate.

If such a thing still exists, I'd say you were just on a lucky streak in terms of play time.

I slog it out on the same slot each and every deposit, granted these are smaller amounts and not £100 and also not that often but a quick check reveals an RTP of about 80% since June. (or at least I'm told 80%, feels more like 20% if totally honest)

It's dead constantly and the speed in which deposits vanish often makes me say out loud that it is like "The site is hanging on for dear life" or "Is this site borderline going bust?" It does seem they are that anxious to gobble a fresh deposit as fast as possible.

I and many, MANY others on here do not get anything even remotely close to what you describe.

Sorry mate, I ain't posting shit loads of screenshots or "proof" but i know what I see and experience and I am also not an idiot or a liar.

I don't play for withdrawals, these are an added bonus, I don't expect to win, I can afford the small amounts I do lose but what I do expect is the odd value for a deposit and not to be ripped off at 100MPH.

*Can you also tell from the mannerism of this post that a £15 deposit has literally just vanished on 9p bets in about 20 minutes

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yeah, Sorry Chops but that's a load of rubbish mate.

If such a thing still exists, I'd say you were just on a lucky streak in terms of play time.

I slog it out on the same slot each and every deposit, granted these are smaller amounts and not £100 and also not that often but a quick check reveals an RTP of about 80% since June. (or at least I'm told 80%, feels more like 20% if totally honest)

It's dead constantly and the speed in which deposits vanish often makes me say out loud that it is like "The site is hanging on for dear life" or "Is this site borderline going bust?" It does seem they are that anxious to gobble a fresh deposit as fast as possible.

I and many, MANY others on here do not get anything even remotely close to what you describe.

Sorry mate, I ain't posting shit loads of screenshots or "proof" but i know what I see and experience and I am also not an idiot or a liar.

I don't play for withdrawals, these are an added bonus, I don't expect to win, I can afford the small amounts I do lose but what I do expect is the odd value for a deposit and not to be ripped off at 100MPH.

*Can you also tell from the mannerism of this post that a £15 deposit has literally just vanished on 9p bets in about 20 minutes

I'm not at all denying your experience Jono, how you feel about your play is entirely up to you, but sometimes it's useful to bring some statistics into the discussion because our feelings don't always line up fully with the reality of a situation.

Looking at Kroffe's numbers above he's certainly had some bad batches recently, although I'd be interested to see his 'overall RTP' figure at VS.

I've had bad runs and good runs over the years along with everyone else, there were some hellish sessions back on my previous YT channel with suitably colourful language to match, but ultimately it's all going to come down to the same thing, for everyone - you'll lose, on average, the house edge.

On my modest 20p spins, each spin effectively 'costs' me 0.8p assuming a 96% slot. So if I do 2000 spins in an evening, my expected loss, assuming RTP, is £16. Of course the variance of slots means that figure can and will fluctuate wildly, but given a large enough sample size, that's where it's going to end up. There is no way to beat that.

What I'm really trying to make a counterpoint to, is this notion that there's something sinister going on with online slots, beyond just volatile games with a generous house edge inevitably taking our money off us eventually, and sometimes more quickly than others.

I'm down at VS this year, not by a massive amount, but I've still lost, as a low-rolling grind style player who clocks up many thousands of spins (nearly 12K in the last week alone), that's always where it's going to end up, although at least BTG's games give the (alleged ) hope of hitting a monster that could skew the numbers a lot.

Anyway, I had one final flourish on Over The Moon so at a balance of £290 I decided to finally make a withdrawal from what was originally a £100 deposit for this extended session.

Four features in 255 spins that paid 23x, 90x, 96x and 235x, it felt like the right time to stop riding my luck.