Dead or Alive HTML 5

[interlog]

The first thing I checked when the new version came out was the published RTP in the help file and it is identical to the old version.

I don't play DOA as often as I used to (the game bores me) but I find it still plays fair to me. Can't make a judgement about wild line frequency simply because I haven't made enough spins on it.

Even the old version could swallow £25 at £0.09 spins without a bonus round if you caught it in the wrong mood.

 

[mina1929]

Well, DOA is in a very bad mood for me lately

 

[brianmon]

The first thing I checked when the new version came out was the published RTP in the help file and it is identical to the old version.

I don't play DOA as often as I used to (the game bores me) but I find it still plays fair to me. Can't make a judgement about wild line frequency simply because I haven't made enough spins on it.

Even the old version could swallow £25 at £0.09 spins without a bonus round if you caught it in the wrong mood.

I'm pretty sure the RTP will be the same. What I think they may have changed is the variance of the bonus round.
It seems to give more in the 100-500x range than it used to, which obviously means the 1000x + wins have been reduced to compensate for it.
Which will make it more attractive to the casual player ( a lot of whom won't even realise it's full potential wins).

Just looking back through the 1000x+ screenshot thread, there have only been 3 posts for HTML5 DOA, ALL of which were at the end of November last year, plus I posted one in this thread (on page 2) which was from the 10th November, which I think was the day of it's release !!

So either, a lot of the the CM community have stopped playing it or those 1000X win have become rarer since the month it was released.

4 in 3 weeks, then nothing for 10 weeks !!??

 

[Jono777]

RIP Original DOA - Now to be found........ nowhere

 

[brianmon]

RIP Original DOA - Now to be found........ nowhere

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Casino Heroes still have it

 

[Jono777]

Casino Heroes still have it

cheers lol! - probs the only casino I'm NOT a member of

 

[TheAddict]

I hate this bloody version.
Still get the vibe that the variance has changed a little, but that's just my opinion.
Ridiculous amount of times over the months now where often come so close to a wild line yet get to smoke no cigar. I think i can count 500 bonus rounds since i last had a bonus round that paid nothing on free spins and/or didn't throw in at least one wild, something i find hard to believe ever took more than 100 bonus rounds to appear on the old version.
Anyway, This was long overdue since html has been out. Was quite lucky as when the auto spin hit 0 i was going to sleep.. i had 3 spins left on auto when this little bitch appeared.

Was won at Shadowbet while claiming the 1st welcome bonus. put an WD at same time as documents and took an hour before all was processed and sent to my debit card. 2.5% fee on the WD sucks balls but obviously shouldn't be moaning to much, and smashed that 35x d+b WR though which was nice.

 

[Playford7]

Never had a wildline, not 5 scatters, nor the sheriffs badge!!!. Played a fair bit aswell over the years, possibly not as much as I probably think as it's really boring.
Found with html5 I get more bonuses. Last week I had 4 in 20 spins, all wins pointless mind.
Just would love to see the potential to give me some intrest in playing it again

 

[TheAddict]

Never had a wildline, not 5 scatters, nor the sheriffs badge!!!. Played a fair bit aswell over the years, possibly not as much as I probably think as it's really boring.
Found with html5 I get more bonuses. Last week I had 4 in 20 spins, all wins pointless mind.
Just would love to see the potential to give me some intrest in playing it again

ten minutes after i posted this pic i had 5 shots before the extra spins to hit a WL. the Wild appeared to give an extra 5 spins but not to complete a wildline. paid something like 300x bet.
Does feel it gives close shaves in the bonus round much more, and i have (i believe) played it a lot. something like 21/22 Wildlines & 3x fiver scatters over the last 2years or so of pounding away at it, the biggest one paying just under 5000x bet Though the above picture is the 2nd WL on Html - the other on html coming late and paying just shy of 2000x a few months ago, while the old version is where i got the other 20 or so WL's.

I kind of only play online to play DOA, am usually found in a pub somewhere drinking a crusty fosters or 7 infront of the awp. i do however treat myself when i hit over 1000x on Doa, by allowing myself some play on other slots.. sometimes on slightly higher stake (maybe even upto 30p!) cause i do usually play with a bonus and wagering can take a while at 9p lol ..but tend to be dragged back to DOA fairly quickly after a little sweat on when noticing the balance decreasing at an much more alarming rate than on DOA (F*** you BDBA, you do me every damn time... why oh why would 32red bother to not allow wagering on you, you POS you)

But it's safe to say i wouldn't have hit so many wildlines had i not played every single session the whole time on 0.09p lol.
HTML, at least for me, seems to be producing many more 'in the middle' bonus rounds than the older version which kind of felt usually all or nothing, and which for me it felt i'd get close to hitting a WL less ofen than on the html version, rather than the teasing close calls i seem to keep getting on html. Take last nights (and morning, lol) session for example.. i was 1 away from a WL possibly 10 times during the 7 hour punt.

Can't comment on the amount of bonus rounds, for me that feels the same. Though the variance of wins that they seem to produce, feel not so much the same.

 

[Playford7]

ten minutes after i posted this pic i had 5 shots before the extra spins to hit a WL. the Wild appeared to give an extra 5 spins but not to complete a wildline. paid something like 300x bet.
Does feel it gives close shaves in the bonus round much more, and i have (i believe) played it a lot. something like 21/22 Wildlines & 3x fiver scatters over the last 2years or so of pounding away at it, the biggest one paying just under 5000x bet Though the above picture is the 2nd WL on Html - the other on html coming late and paying just shy of 2000x a few months ago, while the old version is where i got the other 20 or so WL's.

I kind of only play online to play DOA, am usually found in a pub somewhere drinking a crusty fosters or 7 infront of the awp. i do however treat myself when i hit over 1000x on Doa, by allowing myself some play on other slots.. sometimes on slightly higher stake (maybe even upto 30p!) cause i do usually play with a bonus and wagering can take a while at 9p lol ..but tend to be dragged back to DOA fairly quickly after a little sweat on when noticing the balance decreasing at an much more alarming rate than on DOA (F*** you BDBA, you do me every damn time... why oh why would 32red bother to not allow wagering on you, you POS you)

But it's safe to say i wouldn't have hit so many wildlines had i not played every single session the whole time on 0.09p lol.
HTML, at least for me, seems to be producing many more 'in the middle' bonus rounds than the older version which kind of felt usually all or nothing, and which for me it felt i'd get close to hitting a WL less ofen than on the html version, rather than the teasing close calls i seem to keep getting on html. Take last nights (and morning, lol) session for example.. i was 1 away from a WL possibly 10 times during the 7 hour punt.

Can't comment on the amount of bonus rounds, for me that feels the same. Though the variance of wins that they seem to produce, feel not so much the same.

Ahh a good old school 'player'
I love the fruits myself, or should I say did. I'm only a casual at best with a tiny bit of knowledge.
The betcoms and rigged reels fruits spoilt my fruit fun tbh, rarely even try a tenner now.
And the wildline teases are just a myth to me...never had one, once!...
Obviously the more I play I'd like to think my time will come.
My gambling now, online is starting to decline. Had a few nice experiences with casinos I not played at before, just getting a bit dissolutioned with the new crap they produce, and some really poor terms casinos have, that in the real world wouldn't be allowed.
I'll always enjoy a gamble on my favourite slots, just maybe not as much as I did anymore.
Personally I find, since the market for online gambling is getting huge, the quality of site, the service and loyalty you recieve is getting less, I'd say I was a medium to high roller, yet some of the casinos I've deposited 1000's on just treat me like a new sign up.
Way of the world I guess, unless your a whale...then of course your a god at any casino.

 

[maluren]

What I hate the most on Netent Slots, at least in some Casinos, there is always a lag before a winning spin. This takes the thrill. And if there is no lag and you get 2 scatters you know the third will be there(at least in slots where 2 scatters pay any prize).

 

[Nate]

I used to play DOA every day. Had my biggest wins on it. It is NOT the same slot... NetEnt have tampered with it. I have more losing sessions than I ever did on this slot since the 'upgrade'. This is one of the main reasons why you don't even see anymore videos on my channel. I can't be arsed to play a slot from NetBENT anymore.

Nate

 

[Playford7]

I used to play DOA every day. Had my biggest wins on it. It is NOT the same slot... NetEnt have tampered with it. I have more losing sessions than I ever did on this slot since the 'upgrade'. This is one of the main reasons why you don't even see anymore videos on my channel. I can't be arsed to play a slot from NetBENT anymore.

Nate

All that's said on here lately is, this slots changed, that slot is changed?...why?...
Because you don't win?. It's random...totally random.
If you don't like the cold streaks don't play, one game tbh seemed to have changed was fruit warp, but couldn't that just be down to variance?..
I'm done with the 'theories' just rather play my games for the entertainment I pay for in the first place, there's no big rigged conspiracy theory, That's just plain common sense.

 

[Nate]

All that's said on here lately is, this slots changed, that slot is changed?...why?...
Because you don't win?. It's random...totally random.
If you don't like the cold streaks don't play, one game tbh seemed to have changed was fruit warp, but couldn't that just be down to variance?..
I'm done with the 'theories' just rather play my games for the entertainment I pay for in the first place, there's no big rigged conspiracy theory, That's just plain common sense.

Dude... What are you on about?

 

[Playford7]

Dude... What are you on about?

What's hard to understand my friend?. :-/

 

[Nate]

What's hard to understand my friend?. :-/

You start with one vibe... then tell me its random and in the same breath say exactly the same thing about fruit warp.

Geez

 

[Playford7]

You start with one vibe... then tell me its random and in the same breath say exactly the same thing about fruit warp.

Geez

Sorry, apologies. I do believe it's random totally, just in what sense may be different, as in fruit warp, maybe more now of the rtp is in the base game than the bonus ( more 3 of a kind) as with DOA I've never had a wildline, a 5 scatter ever...and with that said I've nothing to compare the html5 version to the original, just had plain poor luck with the game. Sorry no offence meant, poorly worded post by me.

 

[Nate]

Sorry, apologies. I do believe it's random totally, just in what sense may be different, as in fruit warp, maybe more now of the rtp is in the base game than the bonus ( more 3 of a kind) as with DOA I've never had a wildline, a 5 scatter ever...and with that said I've nothing to compare the html5 version to the original, just had plain poor luck with the game. Sorry no offence meant, poorly worded post by me.

Cool

I played the original daily. I used to bet LARGE, taking out 50k plus wins more than once. I've won so much on the slot, I don't think that I will be in the negative for a long time.

I stopped playing as often WHILST the old version was still up - Lots happening in my personal life, so I don't really find the time anymore.

The newer version doesn't play the same. Its not purely down to winning or losing. Its about how the game plays and the change in variance, frequency of hits, wild lines and other factors. All the old school players would probably agree that its not the same slot - whether good or bad for them. Same with Twin Spin... The Upgrades to HTML 5 play differently to their respective predecessors.

Anyways ...it is what it is. If you do believe slots are TOTALLY random, I suggest you look up:

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Nate

 

[Playford7]

Cool

I played the original daily. I used to bet LARGE, taking out 50k plus wins more than once. I've won so much on the slot, I don't think that I will be in the negative for a long time.

I stopped playing as often WHILST the old version was still up - Lots happening in my personal life, so I don't really find the time anymore.

The newer version doesn't play the same. Its not purely down to winning or losing. Its about how the game plays and the change in variance, frequency of hits, wild lines and other factors. All the old school players would probably agree that its not the same slot - whether good or bad for them. Same with Twin Spin... The Upgrades to HTML 5 play differently to their respective predecessors.

Anyways ...it is what it is. If you do believe slots are TOTALLY random, I suggest you look up:

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Nate

Great reply there. That's rather eye opening.
I'm not well up with any maths of games, but I'll certainly look into the link you sent.
Maybe naive from myself, but I do play to enjoy myself, not for profit as I have a job where I'm away out the country a lot so can't play as much as I'd like, so I like to think if I join a casino I have as much of a chance of a big big hit than anyone else.
As you clearly played DOA more than me, you have obviously more knowledge of it, seriously...why would they change it?..surerly not just your rtp getting back in line?..as when you say you had massive hits?.(congrats btw)
I mean why change a game that's so clearly profitable for netent?.. I just don't get, when they over time can't lose anyways would they change it?..
If you don't mind what was your biggest stake and hit on DOA, if you don't mind me asking?..

 

[Nate]

Great reply there. That's rather eye opening.
I'm not well up with any maths of games, but I'll certainly look into the link you sent.
Maybe naive from myself, but I do play to enjoy myself, not for profit as I have a job where I'm away out the country a lot so can't play as much as I'd like, so I like to think if I join a casino I have as much of a chance of a big big hit than anyone else.
As you clearly played DOA more than me, you have obviously more knowledge of it, seriously...why would they change it?..surerly not just your rtp getting back in line?..as when you say you had massive hits?.(congrats btw)
I mean why change a game that's so clearly profitable for netent?.. I just don't get, when they over time can't lose anyways would they change it?..
If you don't mind what was your biggest stake and hit on DOA, if you don't mind me asking?..

Things could be changed for a number of reasons. DOA is an excluded slot on MANY sites. I could speculate as to why I feel they changed it, but i would be thumb sucking. Then again, NetEnt could come out and rubbish ALL our claims that the slot plays differently... The only thing we speak from is our experience.

You know after your car comes from a service / wheel change... You can immediately FEEL something is different. I mean you drive it everyday... Its kinda a lame comparison but you kinda get the gist of my answer.

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[dunover]

I spoke to Netent and html5 slots are exactly the same as their PC versions, just slimmed down for speed and with line selection removed (which makes no difference to the RTP/math). Graphics are less defined due to smaller screen sizes but the games are the same. If not, they'd have to get them re-licensed and audited at huge expense at the various Licensors.

All you are noticing is playing a new look game with far higher spin speed and turnover, hence the appearance of being different, the feel of being different but being the same after all. The car example - unless you took it into the service with flat tyres, a huge misfire or loose steering or other obvious fault it probably feels 99% the same as it did BEFORE you serviced it. Because your brain tells you the car has had new oil, brake pads or fluid you subconsciously expect it to feel different afterwards, and thus you then 'feel' the difference whether it's there or not, detectable or not.

 

[brianmon]

I spoke to Netent and html5 slots are exactly the same as their PC versions, just slimmed down for speed and with line selection removed (which makes no difference to the RTP/math). Graphics are less defined due to smaller screen sizes but the games are the same. If not, they'd have to get them re-licensed and audited at huge expense at the various Licensors.

All you are noticing is playing a new look game with far higher spin speed and turnover, hence the appearance of being different, the feel of being different but being the same after all. The car example - unless you took it into the service with flat tyres, a huge misfire or loose steering or other obvious fault it probably feels 99% the same as it did BEFORE you serviced it. Because your brain tells you the car has had new oil, brake pads or fluid you subconsciously expect it to feel different afterwards, and thus you then 'feel' the difference whether it's there or not, detectable or not.

No offence mate. But they're hardly going to admit to you, or to anyone else, for that matter, whether they've changed anything or not.
If they have changed anything, they going to want to keep the fact very much out of the public domain.

And whether they use the same maths or not. The game coding would have had to be rewritten, meaning they would (or should) have had it re-licensed and audited.

With the win count-ups that have been added, the game actually probably runs slower than the original, as far as spins/hour go

 

[interlog]

One dude who puts videos on Youtube had about 5 wild lines within the past couple of weeks.

The game certainly is still capable of paying big.

From my own experience (bearing into mind I don't play it as often as I used to), bonuses drop in as regular as they used to, the base game still behaves itself. In other words, I haven't experienced a significant change of play.

 

[Pulver]

I had one of my best sessions ever on Dead or Alive a few weeks ago on the new touch version.

I was playing on my iPad and hit a wildline paying 2600x, and I kid you not, not even 100 spins later I hit my first ever 5 scatters, paying 2500x.

In my experience, if they rigged it in any way, they rigged it for the better.

On a serious note, I don't actually think they changed anything in the mechanics of the game and I think Dunover made a very good point in his previous post.

All you are noticing is playing a new look game with far higher spin speed and turnover, hence the appearance of being different, the feel of being different but being the same after all.

 

[nutnut]

teasing me this game is, hit 5 extra spins had 8 wilds but no wildline