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I'm not attacking anything in the report, the PCR test is unreliable, it's not a secret. I'm asking why he is presenting it today as if it's new information, when it's 9 months old?
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He posted the reason why "Updated on 19th April in light of new variants ... same conclusion = the test is useless to detect infection."
it says this further down that that they had a meeting on April 19 I thought it was self evident in light of the recent meeting they had.
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It wasn't anything of the sort, it said 'The assessment was that no update was needed'
So exactly the same as it was 9 months ago, not new news, no new information. If it was that important why didn't you post it back in July?
I think everyone knows the tests aren't 100% accurate. My friend who had it back in around August was told that if she had another test within the next 6 months it would most likely return positive as it picks up previous infections within at least that time frame, so it isn't exactly a secret.
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However would we cope without the Tony Blair institute for global change, we were so lucky to have had him as prime minister for all those years, and now he's still willing to provide free advice...
Plans to scrap all limits on social contact in June should be delayed for a month until the summer school holidays, when transmission rates are expected to be lower, the TBI warns.
The delay is necessary unless ministers can return the pace of the vaccination programme to where it was in mid-March, the report says.
The TBI’s proposed package of measures also includes offering Covid-19 vaccines to teenagers, subject to regulatory approval, and achieving a 65:35 split in use between the AstraZeneca and Pfizer/Moderna jabs.
Ian Mulheirn, UK policy director at the TBI, said: “Despite the success of the vaccine rollout we’re not out of the woods yet. But the government has the power to stop a deadly third wave of the virus by expanding the vaccination programme to adolescents and bringing the final step of the easing roadmap into line with the vaccine rollout timetable.
The stance was backed by Martin Mckee, professor of European public health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, who said: “The authors of the report make a compelling case for caution, based on a thorough analysis of the data. The experience of Chile should serve as a warning of the risk of relaxing restrictions too soon. The vaccination programme is very important but it is only one part of a comprehensive response to this virus.”
Lifting of last lockdown restrictions on 21 June should be in doubt, Tony Blair Institute suggests
Plans to scrap all limits on social contact in June should be delayed for a month until the summer school holidays, when transmission rates are expected to be lower, the TBI warns.
The delay is necessary unless ministers can return the pace of the vaccination programme to where it was in mid-March, the report says.
The TBI’s proposed package of measures also includes offering Covid-19 vaccines to teenagers, subject to regulatory approval, and achieving a 65:35 split in use between the AstraZeneca and Pfizer/Moderna jabs.
Ian Mulheirn, UK policy director at the TBI, said: “Despite the success of the vaccine rollout we’re not out of the woods yet. But the government has the power to stop a deadly third wave of the virus by expanding the vaccination programme to adolescents and bringing the final step of the easing roadmap into line with the vaccine rollout timetable.
The stance was backed by Martin Mckee, professor of European public health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, who said: “The authors of the report make a compelling case for caution, based on a thorough analysis of the data. The experience of Chile should serve as a warning of the risk of relaxing restrictions too soon. The vaccination programme is very important but it is only one part of a comprehensive response to this virus.”
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Blair's an absolute muppet, how many vaccinations were getting done in March? We've done 3.6 million in the past week ffs
34,094,048 (134,140) people have received 1st dose of vaccination in the UK. +836,397
14,043,961 (462,885) people have received 2nd dose of vaccination in the UK. +2,851,360
The figures are dropping daily too
2,445 cases in the UK. -284
22 deaths in the UK. +4
134 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -6
1,553 patients in hospital in the UK. -362
208 patients on ventilation in the UK. -68
We were at 1300 deaths a couple of months back, and he wants to delay it month!
34,094,048 (134,140) people have received 1st dose of vaccination in the UK. +836,397
14,043,961 (462,885) people have received 2nd dose of vaccination in the UK. +2,851,360
The figures are dropping daily too
2,445 cases in the UK. -284
22 deaths in the UK. +4
134 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -6
1,553 patients in hospital in the UK. -362
208 patients on ventilation in the UK. -68
We were at 1300 deaths a couple of months back, and he wants to delay it month!
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Ignore Tony Blair at your peril.
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no just ignore Tony Blair
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Need a better breakdown of the ages and any pre-existing health issues, but 41 dead is pretty bad for a 'super safe' vaccine where people stated categorically no shortcuts had been taken, I wonder how many people have died from an equivalent number of flu jabs which is given to a lot of elderly people.
Still statistically these are rare events, however that's 41 people who have got through the lockdown, with all that that entailed, and then looking forward to getting the vax to protect themselves [and others around them] but then dying shortly afterwards due to a serious reaction.
Still statistically these are rare events, however that's 41 people who have got through the lockdown, with all that that entailed, and then looking forward to getting the vax to protect themselves [and others around them] but then dying shortly afterwards due to a serious reaction.
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Have they actually proven the vaccine is causing these clots, or is it just some people got clots after having the vaccine?
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At this stage not enough is known why the clots are occurring to be 'proven' beyond all doubt, but statistically they are now happening more than the numbers typically recorded [average incidences per million], and most of the vaccinated so far in the uk are in the 60+ group whereas the dangerous clots that have occurred seem to affect the younger age groups [and more females].
telegraph:
A review by EMA safety committee concluded on Apr 7 that "unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects" of the AstraZeneca vaccine.
The MHRA said there were still huge benefits of the vaccine in preventing Covid-19 and serious disease but added that due to a very small number of blood clots in younger people, those under the age of 30 will be offered Pfizer or Moderna jabs instead.
David Werring, professor of clinical neurology at the UCL Institute of Neurology, said: "The EMA and MHRA statements are helpful in providing further clarity about the very rare blood clots with low blood platelet counts - mainly in the brain (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis) but also in other parts of the body - that have occurred after the AstraZeneca vaccine.
"We still urgently need more research to first understand which individuals are at highest risk of these unusual blood clots in the brain, which although very rare, can often be serious or fatal."
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Thanks, I knew they did seem to be affecting younger people, which would suggest the vaccine was at least in some part responsible, but didn't know if they had proven it yet,
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Yeah seems to be actually quite a few cases of blood clots now.
Although numbers in grand scheme of things are very low still too many cases of serious side effects in young healthy people who would probably be unscathed by actual virus itself.
More worrying for me would be will there be even more cases long term as remember this is a rushed vaccine that noone can actually say that it is 100% safe long term.
Was meant to be safe and fully tested in first place. Now after using it there is enough concern to stop using it on certain groups. So how will anyone know in years to come if it will cause clots etc. In people that have had the vaccine but had no ill effects at the time.
Although numbers in grand scheme of things are very low still too many cases of serious side effects in young healthy people who would probably be unscathed by actual virus itself.
More worrying for me would be will there be even more cases long term as remember this is a rushed vaccine that noone can actually say that it is 100% safe long term.
Was meant to be safe and fully tested in first place. Now after using it there is enough concern to stop using it on certain groups. So how will anyone know in years to come if it will cause clots etc. In people that have had the vaccine but had no ill effects at the time.
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I think most of the unvaccinated groups of the original trials have also now been vaccinated, so that could make it harder to detect an unusual occurrence/pattern of long term effects, as there is no control group with which to directly compare in the trial.
Detecting serious reactions statistically, [looking for anomalies compared to the population ] like they did with the clots initially which made them realise we may have a problem, could be impossible if everyone is vaccinated. They would have to go on historical occurrence before mass covid vaccination took place.
Detecting serious reactions statistically, [looking for anomalies compared to the population ] like they did with the clots initially which made them realise we may have a problem, could be impossible if everyone is vaccinated. They would have to go on historical occurrence before mass covid vaccination took place.
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bill and melinda are getting divorced, not sure if it relates to covid and bill's 'work' in any way but didn't see this coming, going from their interviews etc..
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If anyone thinks that this is over then consider the fact that the UK and Oz governments have just issued a contract to one Ad company alone. The UK have just paid £130 million to them which was more than last year. The Oz also. April to April. It covers the entire financial year. And that is not for TV adverts.
The next year?
It is just dangling carrots in front of people now. It is not going away.
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putting aside the morality of spending that money to brainwash people, they could get the bbc, dailymail, google, twitter etc.. to do it for free!
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Who owns and or funds most media?
Who pays for the fact checking sites? They do not advertise in order to fund their sites. Who works for free?
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There used to be many more individual and independent firms, now it's all huge conglomerates.
I think I read most news and opinion shows in the US are paid for by big pharma's adverts, I find it a bit cringe in the uk with the number of male impotence adverts popping up, even around dinner time now
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I'm guessing this is the latest thing to be all over social media considering how many times I've seen it today?
I know someone who works for a company supplying PPE and they have just been awarded a 2 year extension.
I'm not sure why people are making a big deal of it. The contract is for advertising April - April. The virus didn't die out on the 31st March, so why wouldn't they extend the contract?
Who are the people who think it's over? Stupid people? There are still thousands of cases every day, people in hospital and people dying. The 'experts' have constantly warned theres likely to be a surge next winter. I don't personally know a single person who thinks its over. Plenty, including myself, think it's getting better, and even if there is a surge next winter, it won't be as bad as this year, but certainly wouldn't say it's over, unfortunately.
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Not being funny mate, but the main ones have a dedicated page to it with details of all the funding.
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Not really hard to find?
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I had never heard of either of those fact checking sites but just an initial read of both of their funding brings up what and who?
Edit. And an initial dig brings up funding by Bill Gates.
Yep. Not really hard to find
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I presume you are comfortable about how this drama is playing out?
From just a few weeks to flatten the curve and help out the NHS to wait until the vaccine is available. I wish I had your optimism.
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Both have been posted in this thread numerous times and they seem to be used by some media outlets, and see them on twitter, other forums, which ones were you talking about?
I think it's a deadly virus that no one has had to deal with before, and things happens that make initial predictions turn out wrong.
So far the roadmap BJ set out at the start of the year has been followed, and the final part In June seems to be getting better as we get closer, it was announced over the weekend they will also remove social distancing then too. I don't understand what you think is going to happen instead?
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Something that I have found very interesting lately is about how things may progress/regress in the future. It is worth while at least taking in the three interviewees explanation of what they are working on. They give away much more than they intend too during what they claim to be an advert for new recruits.
At about 31 minutes in they totally dismiss PCR testing when talking about amplification as a thing while knowing that they should shut up about the subject
At about 31 minutes in they totally dismiss PCR testing when talking about amplification as a thing while knowing that they should shut up about the subject
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I am not making any specific predictions because that is foolish.
Of course they are used by media outlets. Which ones what?
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Are school children in the uk being forced to wear masks all day long, anyone know?
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I wouldn't know. I got expelled a month ago
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I mean which factchecking sites were you meaning when you were asking who funded them? The 2 I posted were the 2 I know best, but you said you hadn't heard of them, so was wondering which others are out there?
From my limited knowledge, it's secondary schools only, and they have to wear them in communal areas, so if they need to move from classroom to classroom for example, but not in class. Thats the case in a couple of schools round here, presumably it's the same elsewhere, but can't be sure.
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All children 11+ have to wear facemasks IN the classroom unless they are exempt.
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Yet a few months ago our Dear Leader said this was nonsensical.
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They don't HAVE to do anything of the sort, from your link
Now, if pupils can't follow social distancing rules in a classroom, they are advised to wear a covering.
Did you not read what you posted? It isn't mandatory at all. I can tell you with 100% certainty, the 2 secondary schools I have first hand knowledge of, the kids do not have to wear them in classrooms.
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In schools and colleges where pupils and students in year 7 and above are educated, we
recommend that face coverings should be worn by pupils when moving around the
premises, outside of classrooms, such as in corridors and communal areas where social
distancing cannot easily be maintained.
In addition, we also recommend in those schools and FE providers, that face coverings
should be worn by adults and pupils in classrooms or during activities unless social
distancing can be maintained. This does not apply in situations where wearing a face
covering would impact on the ability to take part in exercise or strenuous activity, for
example in PE lessons. Face coverings do not need to be worn by pupils when outdoors on
the premises.
Nothing in either to suggest they have to do it.
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Social distancing would have been pretty difficult in my day, 30 in a class, two metres apart definitely not possible, but also you're all breathing in and out the same recycling air [during winter and cold weather the windows are shut]
This mask wearing in school will simply create feelings of fear, isolation and worry with minimal, scientifically proven benefit from covid.
The govt science lady said at the beginning last year, touching and retouching masks is a definite drawback to mask use, and yet here we are telling children to put them on and off throughout their day.
They just can't allow one part of society or life to carry on as normal, all must be affected and roped into carrying out abnormal behaviour, like some sort of national pretence, what will they do when the winter vomiting or influenza season returns, make kids wear masks for hours for that too, or bring in mandatory flu shots bearing in mind more children die from that than covid.
This mask wearing in school will simply create feelings of fear, isolation and worry with minimal, scientifically proven benefit from covid.
The govt science lady said at the beginning last year, touching and retouching masks is a definite drawback to mask use, and yet here we are telling children to put them on and off throughout their day.
They just can't allow one part of society or life to carry on as normal, all must be affected and roped into carrying out abnormal behaviour, like some sort of national pretence, what will they do when the winter vomiting or influenza season returns, make kids wear masks for hours for that too, or bring in mandatory flu shots bearing in mind more children die from that than covid.
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Just to say, the two schools I mentioned have the windows open all day, and have done since they went back in September, and again just before Easter. Apparently it's freezing, and one of them tried to enforce their 'no coats on in the classroom' rule, which everyone (including the teachers ignored, so they relented after 2 days. I do wonder where some of these heads get their brains like. 30 kids and teachers in a classroom, in temperatures of around 0 and they expect them to sit there in a thin shirt and blazer ffs.
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They sound like they've got more common sense in your area than down south near me!
I was wondering though in a year's time, when queuing up in a shop to pay and someone behind starts coughing, as there will be other bugs going around, I think it will just create an immediate panic. Maybe once the case numbers decline further people will begin to worry less and life go back to normal, or we have to wear masks for ever more inside confined spaces.
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Remember the good old days when you would cough to cover up a fart? Now you fart to cover up a cough
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Given that this thread has-sorry for the expression- Died a death. Would there be an issue with opened a new thread that casts back to discussions and arguments from this time last year from the original thread?
I would begin by highlighting posts from the start and bring them up to date to this time last year eventually. two weeks per day until we catch up or the thread needs moving on quicker. Obviously your input would dictate discussion
Any objections to it or thoughts?
I would begin by highlighting posts from the start and bring them up to date to this time last year eventually. two weeks per day until we catch up or the thread needs moving on quicker. Obviously your input would dictate discussion
Any objections to it or thoughts?
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No objections.
Thoughts. Skip past everyone of Dealer Wins Shite posts (which is all of them). Will save a lot of time.
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600 pages later, it aint effing brain surgery
Wear ya mask, stay as/if able, a few feet apart, keep your circles small - be a part of the solution, not the problem
Wear ya mask, stay as/if able, a few feet apart, keep your circles small - be a part of the solution, not the problem
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"Pfizer to seek authorization for Covid-19 vaccine for children ages 2 to 11 in September" [CNN]
Also is seeking full approval for vaccine use [ adults ] rather than emergency use authorization:
"Progressing from authorized to approved allows vaccine makers to market and directly distribute their vaccines. It could also have an impact on vaccine mandates -- and perhaps help sway skeptics hesitant to get the vaccines now.
Some organizations say they expect to require the Covid-19 vaccine, but have opted not to while it's authorized and not yet fully approved.
"People, when they hear it's still emergency use, they still have a little concern about how far you can go with it," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN's Jim Sciutto last week.
Also is seeking full approval for vaccine use [ adults ] rather than emergency use authorization:
"Progressing from authorized to approved allows vaccine makers to market and directly distribute their vaccines. It could also have an impact on vaccine mandates -- and perhaps help sway skeptics hesitant to get the vaccines now.
Some organizations say they expect to require the Covid-19 vaccine, but have opted not to while it's authorized and not yet fully approved.
"People, when they hear it's still emergency use, they still have a little concern about how far you can go with it," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN's Jim Sciutto last week.
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I can't imagine any alternate universe in which i would send my 2 year old for a Covid vaccine.
My niece is about 12 weeks pregnant and is currently in a dispute with work because they want her to have the vaccine and she, quite rightly, has told them to get stuffed. Seemingly became pretty arsey when they've pointed out there's a free role going that wouldn't even have any people facing roles.
My niece is about 12 weeks pregnant and is currently in a dispute with work because they want her to have the vaccine and she, quite rightly, has told them to get stuffed. Seemingly became pretty arsey when they've pointed out there's a free role going that wouldn't even have any people facing roles.
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I wouldn't send a young kid of mine to have a vaccine either, however, if they had a condition that put them at a high risk of mortality if they caught it I would probably think twice.
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I can't get my head around the mentality of an employer pressurising a pregnant woman to have a new vaccine, beggars belief, and putting anyone pregnant under unnecessary/extra stress in the workplace surely is a no-no as well.
I saw this yesterday [applies to the US I believe] it's one level for the pharma companies to have a damage exemption when an adult chooses to get vaccinated, but not the same if the employer requires it or you lose your job, anything seriously goes wrong they should be fully liable and not just to the govt scheme's £120k damages limit. [in my opinion]
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And I presume that you would advocate for all children to have the vaccine and have them play sports and run wearing a mask afterwards?
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This time last year I said that China would emerge as dominant and look at them now. They almost have Oz on its knees and sleepy Joe is shit scared of upsetting them
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I would advise her to give ACAS a quick ring about this to get some clear advice on what her rights are if they keep pressurising her, as it's not right at all. Have they changed her contract to say she has to have it as a condition of employment? If not (presumably they haven't or she wouldn't have agreed) as far as I'm aware theres absolutely nothing they can do if she refuses.
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yes covid doesn't seem to have financially harmed them at all, I would have expected some downturn due to the wealthy west not out shopping as much, but then mask and ppe sales are probably bringing in millions£ to replace that export loss
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She's been getting advice/counsel from one of the Union reps i think - She's been showing me the to and fro's of the conversation (we'll ignore any possible DP issues
)and the woman who's been helping her out has been surgically picking them apart - even from the outset, no risk assessment through to the fact there is a type of work available, and they've been advertising for the post in that time, that they aren't even considering her for etc.She's had problems with them before and we spoke about maintaining x,y,z in the advent of issues down the line (pre and post covid) so should the talk of tribunals come into play i think she has enough guns in the armoury for them by a mile.
One of those where the actual physical place of work has been ok but it's been all coming from their Head Office in England; the people who actually work there are very much 'sorry, our hands are tied'
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Folk have turned to online shopping and very often the likes of Amazon do not give details of where the goods where made and people usually do not want to know.
Australia was always one of the few countries that I would have considered living in. Now they are being shafted financially by China and being bullied by them.
China agreed trade deals worth billions with Oz. Oz planed and began producing to fulfill those agreements only for China to make excuses to reject those produce on bullshit grounds leaving a number of companies and Oz fucked.
China also has huge interests around the world leaving countries dependent on them.
I don't think it is Russia we should be worried about
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I'd advocate for people as able and willing to have the vaccine by personal choice, and kids or otherwise to wear masks when around their friends if they cannot maintain an adequate distance
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