Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[mack341]

So posts could be added back into his twitter feed, but he doesn't mention this? I fail to see how that could possibly be done, unless the 'hackers' hacked twitter, unless you are suggesting twitter did it?

He has been wrong about pretty much every major statement he has made, so as regards him being some kind of expert, then he's not a very good one.



Who is Mat? I've got no idea what you are talking about.

from the reuters' article you posted:

On Feb. 3, Yeadon’s Twitter account had a message for his 91,000 followers: “A tweet recently appeared under my ID, which was horribly offensive. As a result my account was locked. I of course deleted it. I want you to know of course that I didn’t write it.” A Twitter spokesman declined to comment.

If he is telling the truth how else could the posts exist other than his account was hacked and posts added, it's twitter's platform so I'm sure they could pretty much technically do whatever they want with anyone's account, but it could've been a hired hacker also.

Reuters mentioned a blog that reposted some of the offending tweets, I just had a look at them and it could be that he did write some of those posts, the ones that were similar to how a lot of people viewed that topic, but then other more offensive posts were added, because to me the offensive ones don't fit with the more adult debate styled ones [if that makes sense].

On the science side it's a big topic, we could be here for pages cross referencing his tweets and debating the points from them, the fact is he still knows more about medical science than any of us here, and not alone in his views on covid from the scientific world, sure he is in a minority but that is how science is normally done by debate and discussion, however largely during 2020/21 contrasting views on covid have been silenced and suppressed.

 

[geordiecolin]

I am sorry. You accused dealer of being racist. But in my defense sometimes I post while multitasking. I am sorry that Casiniomeister is not my only main point of call in my day.
You used your main kicking point of Dealerwins.
Evidence of his racism?

 

[colinsunderland]

from the reuters' article you posted:

On Feb. 3, Yeadon’s Twitter account had a message for his 91,000 followers: “A tweet recently appeared under my ID, which was horribly offensive. As a result my account was locked. I of course deleted it. I want you to know of course that I didn’t write it.” A Twitter spokesman declined to comment.

If he is telling the truth how else could the posts exist other than his account was hacked and posts added, it's twitter's platform so I'm sure they could pretty much technically do whatever they want with anyone's account, but it could've been a hired hacker also.

Reuters mentioned a blog that reposted some of the offending tweets, I just had a look at them and it could be that he did write some of those posts, the ones that were similar to how a lot of people viewed that topic, but then other more offensive posts were added, because to me the offensive ones don't fit with the more adult debate styled ones [if that makes sense].

On the science side it's a big topic, we could be here for pages cross referencing his tweets and debating the points from them, the fact is he still knows more about medical science than any of us here, and not alone in his views on covid from the scientific world, sure he is in a minority but that is how science is normally done by debate and discussion, however largely during 2020/21 contrasting views on covid have been silenced and suppressed.

They weren't really adult styled debate though were they? They were pretty racist in themselves, suggesting the only groups of people who groomed schoolgirls were Muslim men, I didn't post them as, at that time, a lot of people were saying the same thing, and while they were clearly racist in their content, they weren't anywhere near as bad as the one I did post.

As he is such a clever guy, and theres no denying that, you would think he would mention somewhere that the tweets were added to his account and backdated if that were the case, maybe not on twitter, but in one of the many interviews he has given to sites who certainly aren't against him, and aren't subject to any perceived censorship.

 

[colinsunderland]

I am sorry. You accused dealer of being racist. But in my defense sometimes I post while multitasking. I am sorry that Casiniomeister is not my only main point of call in my day.
You used your main kicking point of Dealerwins.
Evidence of his racism?

I think that was obvious in him posting how much he trusts him, a few centimetres down from a vile racist comment I posted from the person he trusts so much.

 

[geordiecolin]

that will be because I didn't do anything of the sort.
What was it you accused me of earlier? Trying to discredit you after you posted fake news, yet you're here saying I suggested Mack is a racist, when I didn't do anything of the sort. Feel free to show me where I said that?

What did I post was fake news? I posted a real breaking event that was posted by someone I have no prior interest in? You tried to discredit me for that post despite it being entirely accurate in its foundation

 

[colinsunderland]

What did I post was fake news? I posted a real breaking event that was posted by someone I have no prior interest in? You tried to discredit me for that post despite it being entirely accurate in its foundation

No it wasn't
You know what, I'm not arguing with you Col, I respect you too much for that, so I'm outta here.

 

[mack341]

They weren't really adult styled debate though were they? They were pretty racist in themselves, suggesting the only groups of people who groomed schoolgirls were Muslim men, I didn't post them as, at that time, a lot of people were saying the same thing, and while they were clearly racist in their content, they weren't anywhere near as bad as the one I did post.

As he is such a clever guy, and theres no denying that, you would think he would mention somewhere that the tweets were added to his account and backdated if that were the case, maybe not on twitter, but in one of the many interviews he has given to sites who certainly aren't against him, and aren't subject to any perceived censorship.

I'd say this below is the kind of thing adults angry about that issue would think and say in a discussion or debate, the other posts with kind of bad jokes and slang words no.

Regarding making further denials, he probably doesn't want to draw any more attention to the situation, as such posts even below would lead to the pc cancel culture to come knocking.

 

[colinsunderland]

I'd say this below is the kind of thing adults angry about that issue would think and say in a discussion or debate, the other posts with kind of bad jokes and slang words no.

Regarding making further denials, he probably doesn't want to draw any more attention to the situation, as such posts even below would lead to the pc cancel culture to come knocking.

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He was wrong about that too wasn't he

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The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.

 

[geordiecolin]

No it wasn't
You know what, I'm not arguing with you Col, I respect you too much for that, so I'm outta here.

No Col. I respect you have a different opinion and you should be able to post it without it being dismissed for one reason or another even if it is just pulled from a fact checker site or an easy accessed page.
Folk with differing opinions do not have it so easy because not only do they have shite like qanon but other sources to look too that give bollix content.
In truth ?
Do any of us know what is really going on ?
I respect you too Col. As I respect most of the posters in this site who post often. I just do not get the chance to show it.
Keep posting your thoughts mate

 

[dealer wins]

He was wrong about that too wasn't he

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The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.

Bollocks, thats more wrong than the gov covid policy, and thats saying something.

 

[mack341]

He was wrong about that too wasn't he

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The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.

Reports from the the same govt [civil service side] that let all this abuse happen right under their nose? I would have zero respect for, or put very little trust in their subsequent reports on that basis alone.

There were gangs of organised predators exploiting care homes and institutions, working together to cover up, that definitely happened in previous decades. The home office were lethargically slow to tackle that too iirc, spent more time helping and going along with the cover ups.

 

[shadow123]

Take my word for it, 99% of folks have no idea of what went on in previous decades and the scale of the child abuse.
The worst part was the cover ups and protection of people who we are supposed to trust.

 

[Tracywild12]

I consider myself lucky as have had two pfizer shots for covid can only hope we will be able to move on with life once the majority is vaccinated. But still the question remains where did it come from man made or a wet market or perhaps bats thats something I'd like to know. Any thoughts ?

 

[geordiecolin]

I consider myself lucky as have had two pfizer shots for covid can only hope we will be able to move on with life once the majority is vaccinated. But still the question remains where did it come from man made or a wet market or perhaps bats thats something I'd like to know. Any thoughts ?

There is a lot of compelling evidence that it was made in a lab in China and that Fauci funded it via gain of function funding despite Obama banning it because of the dangers

 

[Kroffe]

Is there evidence, or theories?
Last i read about it they were still trying to figure out where it came from, and most scientists seem to think that while not impossible that its man-made, its highly unlikely.
But i dont claim to stay on top of these things, so if theres evidence of it being made in lab and funded by Fauci thats obviously what happened.

 

[mack341]

If it suddenly jumped from wild animals to man, it's uncanny how well it exploited the human biology from the get go, normally would it not have to evolve to reach that efficiency against a particular host

I don't expect the WHO or govts to tell us the truth, naturally occurred is the only diplomatic/political answer they can or will give.

Science is now wielded to this end or that, he who pays the piper calls the tune.

 

[Kroffe]

Well its not really possible to even have a discussion about it if everything from official sources is met by "well of course THEY would say that"
Thats no broader than the so called 'one narrative' i hear so much complaning about, its the conspiracy way or the highway more or less.

 

[mack341]

Well its not really possible to even have a discussion about it if everything from official sources is met by "well of course THEY would say that"
Thats no broader than the so called 'one narrative' i hear so much complaning about, its the conspiracy way or the highway more or less.

I'd say from your post before this one, you'd also made up your mind ...however an accidental release of a bio engineered/manipulated research virus would not be a conspiracy, only if it were deliberately released.

How many truly independent scientists with their own equipment and resources have access to the primary material and locations etc..to give their opinion.

Unfortunately they don't work in a bubble free from influence all the time, sometimes they can have a free hand to do pure science and other times a particular conclusion is desirable.

 

[Kroffe]

I'd say from your post before this one, you'd also made up your mind ...however an accidental release of a bio engineered/manipulated research virus would not be a conspiracy, only if it were deliberately released.

How many truly independent scientists with their own equipment and resources have access to the primary material and locations etc..to give their opinion.

Unfortunately they don't work in a bubble free from influence all the time, sometimes they can have a free hand to do pure science and other times a particular conclusion is desirable.

The post i made saying last i read about it they had not found out where it came from, or if it was man-made, made you think my mind as made up already?
Why?
The only thing ive made my mind up about is that i dont know where it came from or if its man-made, and the things ive read about it has made no difference to that.

 

[mack341]

The post i made saying last i read about it they had not found out where it came from, or if it was man-made, made you think my mind as made up already?
Why?
The only thing ive made my mind up about is that i dont know where it came from or if its man-made, and the things ive read about it has made no difference to that.

"But i dont claim to stay on top of these things, so if theres evidence of it being made in lab and funded by Fauci thats obviously what happened."

Sorry Kroffe but that set off my sarcasm detector

 

[Kroffe]

"But i dont claim to stay on top of these things, so if theres evidence of it being made in lab and funded by Fauci thats obviously what happened."

Sorry Kroffe but that set off my sarcasm detector

Isnt that what evidence means?
Like if theres evidence of you eating the last cookie in the cookie jar, it means you did eat the last cookie, not that some things point towards you maybe eating it, or that some things suggest you might have eaten it.
Maybe im using the word wrong.

Edit: Im not accusing you of eating the last cookie in the cookie jar, i take full responsibility for doing that.

 

[mack341]

Isnt that what evidence means?
Like if theres evidence of you eating the last cookie in the cookie jar, it means you did eat the last cookie, not that some things point towards you maybe eating it, or that some things suggest you might have eaten it.
Maybe im using the word wrong.

who's going to find this evidence, say against fauci, gonna have to bring columbo out of retirement!

If we assume the origin was from within china's borders, there's 3 options, entirely natural virus jumped from wildlife to man via the wuhan wetfood market with high ace2 affinity, or the two other possibilities involving that virus research centre in wuhan that coincidentally carries research out on bats and coronaviruses, and fauci sent funding to as well.

There are other theories and timelines as the virus was detected in sewage samples from mid 2019 [iirc spain or italy], also was another theory involving canadian research labs I seem to recall reading.

 

[pinnit2014]

who's going to find this evidence, say against fauci, gonna have to bring columbo out of retirement!

If we assume the origin was from within china's borders, there's 3 options, entirely natural virus jumped from wildlife to man via the wuhan wetfood market with high ace2 affinity, or the two other possibilities involving that virus research centre in wuhan that coincidentally carries research out on bats and coronaviruses, and fauci sent funding to as well.

There are other theories and timelines as the virus was detected in sewage samples from mid 2019 [iirc spain or italy], also was another theory involving canadian research labs I seem to recall reading.

Hate to break it to you Mack but you're gonna need to do more than bring him out of retirement; more like the other realm

 

[Kroffe]

who's going to find this evidence, say against fauci, gonna have to bring columbo out of retirement!

If we assume the origin was from within china's borders, there's 3 options, entirely natural virus jumped from wildlife to man via the wuhan wetfood market with high ace2 affinity, or the two other possibilities involving that virus research centre in wuhan that coincidentally carries research out on bats and coronaviruses, and fauci sent funding to as well.

There are other theories and timelines as the virus was detected in sewage samples from mid 2019 [iirc spain or italy], also was another theory involving canadian research labs I seem to recall reading.

But that was kind of my point, that there are many different theories about how/where it came from, but as far as ive seen no evidence have been found to know which of the theories, if any, are true.

 

[mack341]

Hate to break it to you Mack but you're gonna need to do more than bring him out of retirement; more like the other realm

It'll have to be inspector lynley then or george gently ... but perhaps it ought to be :

 

[mack341]

But that was kind of my point, that there are many different theories about how/where it came from, but as far as ive seen no evidence have been found to know which of the theories, if any, are true.

Do you really feel or believe you're going to see evidence?

We're over a year from when it all started and I think it's safe to say the trail to locate the original spreader has gone cold, and so other than the original 12 month's old verdict, nothing new is coming.

 

[Kroffe]

Do you really feel or believe you're going to see evidence?

We're over a year from when it all started and I think it's safe to say the trail to locate the original spreader has gone cold, and so other than the original 12 month's old verdict, nothing new is coming.

I dont, and thats why i was surprised to see GC saying there was a lot of evidence it was man-made & funded by Fauci.
And going by your last comment you thought that finding evidence against Fauci, if there is any, would be very hard, but at the same time you are not surprised by GC saying there is lots?
Thats why i asked if it was evidence or theories.

Sidenote: Wish me luck. =)

 

[mack341]

It seems I'm not in totally wild theory land:

Coronavirus likely escaped from a Wuhan lab, says former CDC Director Robert Redfield​

Speaking to CNN on Friday, Redfield, who served in the Trump administration, said it didn't make sense for human-to-human transmission to spread so quickly to become one of the "most infectious viruses in humanity" had the virus originated in a bat.

"I don't believe this somehow came from a bat to a human," he said. Usually, it takes awhile to become more efficient in human-to-human transmission.

"I just don't think this makes biological sense," said Redfield, a virologist.

The most likely etiology is the virus escaped from a lab, he said. It's not unusual for respiratory pathogens to infect laboratory workers. Redfield said he was not implying any intentionality to the escape of the virus."

 

[geordiecolin]

Do you really feel or believe you're going to see evidence?

We're over a year from when it all started and I think it's safe to say the trail to locate the original spreader has gone cold, and so other than the original 12 month's old verdict, nothing new is coming.

Here Mack.



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[geordiecolin]

And then there is the microchip that we where never going to get

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[Slottery]

And then there is the microchip that we where never going to get

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Too lazy to turn Adblock off, is this some new tech or the same old one which been already hidden to all vaccinations at least last 10 years in some theories?

 

[mack341]

Here Mack.



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Thanks GC, shocking information really, it all points to fauci and others having major blood on their hands, but I feel the msm and pc brigade will still refute any notions of human involvement until they're blue in the face.

That fauci really has got some front, to be lording it over people with his covid and lockdown advice and now from a stronger position in biden's administration, when his funding decisions on research look like they're strongly implicated in the bio-engineering of dangerous viruses including this one.

 

[Kroffe]

Too lazy to turn Adblock off, is this some new tech or the same old one which been already hidden to all vaccinations at least last 10 years in some theories?

You could just open the link in incognito mode.
Also, the post you made probably took more effort than turning off adblock would have.

 

[Slottery]

You could just open the link in incognito mode.
Also, the post you made probably took more effort than turning off adblock would have.

You mean private mode? It does take effort to open it and abling all ads even longer, thought could get a short answer easier by asking and you could have answerred

 

[Kroffe]

You mean private mode? It does take effort to open it and abling all ads even longer, thought could get a short answer easier by asking and you could have answerred

Im trying to help you be lazy.
Being lazy is all about being efficient.

Also i only skimmed the article.
New chip, nothing to do with vaccines (i think, may have missed something)
Put under skin, detect covid.
Pretty neat.

 

[Slottery]

Im trying to help you be lazy.
Being lazy is all about being efficient.

Also i only skimmed the article.
New chip, nothing to do with vaccines (i think, may have missed something)
Put under skin, detect covid.
Pretty neat.

Thanks, hope next one comes with 5G, wearable one would be great.

 

[mack341]

Put under skin, detect covid.
Pretty neat.

depends what part of your skin you try to put it under...certainly make getting scanned interesting

 

[geordiecolin]

depends what part of your skin you try to put it under...certainly make getting scanned interesting

Prince Albert was way ahead of his time!

 

[geordiecolin]

Thanks, hope next one comes with 5G, wearable one would be great.

What next? Bill Gates changing the weather by spraying crap across the sky?

 

[Kroffe]

depends what part of your skin you try to put it under...certainly make getting scanned interesting

Im assuming most would put it on the backside of the hand or thereabouts, but like you say it would be fun to see the reaction of whoever scans it if you have it in the groin area.

I think ill avoid the groin area if i get any chips in the future tho.
I dont need that area associated with the word 'micro'

 

[dionysus]

well, that didnt last long

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Ontario shuts down in-person classes again amid surge in new COVID-19 cases​

 

[dealer wins]

Canada is almost lost to fascism.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Very happy for you Brits. Enjoy!

 

[mack341]

Good interview, covers the lab created theory and gain of function, also knowing how the virus originated is important to understand what might happen in the future, how it will evolve and best ways to fight that, so not just an academic moot point:

 

[geordiecolin]

Good interview, covers the lab created theory and gain of function, also knowing how the virus originated is important to understand what might happen in the future, how it will evolve and best ways to fight that, so not just an academic moot point:

This proves that the latest investigation was a whitewash. They simpy asked some questions that China knew they would be asked. Very obvious questions. "We asked them tough questions that where not vetted in advance" And they simply believed their word!

 

[mack341]

Interesting headline on sky

COVID-19: Lockdown is main reason for drop in coronavirus cases and deaths - not vaccinations, says Boris Johnson

The PM suggests the millions of jabs given over the past few months was not key to the reduction in COVID levels.

He said: "The numbers are down - of infections and hospitalisations and deaths.

"But it is very, very important for everybody to understand that the reduction in these numbers - in hospitalisations and in deaths and infections - has not been achieved by the vaccination programme.

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maybe it's too soon to say the vaccinations have had a big impact, but come sept and oct he's boxing himself in a bit for another national lockdown if this virus is seasonal, boosters will definitely be on the cards I suppose

 

[geordiecolin]

Interesting headline on sky

COVID-19: Lockdown is main reason for drop in coronavirus cases and deaths - not vaccinations, says Boris Johnson

The PM suggests the millions of jabs given over the past few months was not key to the reduction in COVID levels.

He said: "The numbers are down - of infections and hospitalisations and deaths.

"But it is very, very important for everybody to understand that the reduction in these numbers - in hospitalisations and in deaths and infections - has not been achieved by the vaccination programme.

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maybe it's too soon to say the vaccinations have had a big impact, but come sept and oct he's boxing himself in a bit for another national lockdown if this virus is seasonal, boosters will definitely be on the cards I suppose

Isn't it strange that one month on after totally opening up without masks or distancing Texans are still not filling up the hospitals when it was widely touted that after a few weeks cases would skyrocket and hospitals would be unable to cope?



And hospitals are getting swamped. Not with Covid but those who have taken the vaccine

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Who goes to a hospital with a "mild" headache?

 

[mack341]

Isn't it strange that one month on after totally opening up without masks or distancing Texans are still not filling up the hospitals when it was widely touted that after a few weeks cases would skyrocket and hospitals would be unable to cope?



And hospitals are getting swamped. Not with Covid but those who have taken the vaccine

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Who goes to a hospital with a "mild" headache?

yep these US states opening up seem to be doing well, and we've re-opened schools and seen no surge so could the schools have opened here earlier?

Apparently the A&E's are busy in the uk with people attending due to post vaccination symptoms, you can't blame them in a way because how are they to know whether a splitting headache or chills/fever are serious or not. Saw something earlier about the johnson and johnson vaccine being paused in the US, I think even pro vax people would have to admit these covid ones do seem to have more issues than the traditional flu jab.

 

[Borgie]

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Hmmmm what was it someone was saying about Sweden ?

 

[dealer wins]

Looks fine to me. According to lockdown supporters all Swedes should be dead and buried by now.