Connect To Casino....Do Not Play

[marcolino]

Well,

you now know the history...

now you can express your opinion on the history.

I'm very happy that you have zero connection with C2C... very very happy for you

Good convention.

 

[marcolino]

Dominique, You are your opinion but the history is this:

I played at ConnectToCasino from 1st July 2003 - making various deposits for more than $27,000 total - until 20th September 2003, without ever withdrawing. I stopped playing because they had problems receiving my Western Union deposits; then, I started playing again on 13th march 2004, depositing with Neteller. During 2003 I played on credit with the casino, covering the credits with my subsequent Western Union deposits.

(On a sidenote: By 20th September last year (and still now) I was owed $10,300 in the form of a 40% bonus on my total $25,754 deposits that the casino never applied. They DID anticipate a total of $6000, leaving $4300 outstanding of that bonus. On many occasions up the end of April 2004 I asked for a check on this situation, and I never received a concrete answer.)

I started playing again using Neteller in 2004, by which time theyd changed the 40% extra bonus rules, but I realize this had been in place since October 2003. After my last deposit, after checking Id met the wagering requirements I had a total balance of $16,033 and I requested a withdrawal I wasnt aware of the change in the bonus rules to maximum withdrawal = two times the bonus amount at this time.

From that moment on there have been numerous obstacles put in the way: for one thing, they claimed they had not received my documents. More importantly, they reminded me of the outstanding 6000 credit debt. Assuming that this were true, I am STILL owed 16000 6000 = $10000. I then discovered WOL and Casinomeister, and have made various public comments.

From the moment they told me they would not be paying me, theyve not replied to Emails, they close the live chats and even tell me I still owe them that $6000 debt, which is contrary to the actual situation of them owing me $10,000 (16,000 balance minus 6000 debt).

 

[jpm]

Sending them 10,000+ emails is a criminal offense in many areas, you should be glad they didn't prosecute you and just closed your account.

Since the bonuses are non-cashable, you have to discount those amounts from what you say you are owed, before you subtract what you owe them. From what I've seen presented here, they are writing off your debt to them and saying you're not welcome to return, which sounds pretty reasonable considering the circumstances.

 

[marcolino]

Sending them 10,000+ emails is a criminal offense in many areas, you should be glad they didn't prosecute you and just closed your account.

Since the bonuses are non-cashable, you have to discount those amounts from what you say you are owed, before you subtract what you owe them. From what I've seen presented here, they are writing off your debt to them and saying you're not welcome to return, which sounds pretty reasonable considering the circumstances.

1 - I don't have debits - C2C have debit to my favour (10.300)

2 - I don't have sending 10000 mails

3 - To rob is a criminal offense in many areas

 

[jpm]

Didn't you admit to flooding them with email right here?

Quote Marcolino:
I can sure admit to send many mails to connectocasino... the reasons are two:
becouse they do not answer me NEVER !!!... and becouse they send me mail with virus.

 

[caruso]

Hopefully Bryan will be able to put this matter to bed once and for all.

Also, the maximum amount receiveable is $3,996, not $10,000 - two times the bonus. This is clearly stated in the rules. That would require that the $6000 debt (not "debit") be written off, or else be paid out of the player's total finishing balance - which requires are bit of cleverly-worded arguing (not impossible but by estimation a bit unlikely) over the exact wording of the T & C.

 

[marcolino]

Hi,

Thanks Bryan for the RTG complaints

But the rtg disputes do not work

 

[The Dude]

They are in the midst of working on the new complaint section. In the meantime use this URL Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

Please let me know how this goes.

 

[marcolino]

Please let me know how this goes.

Yes - it's ok

Thank you very much

 

[ergopro]

They paid me...

I just wanted to say that C2C paid me without any problems my small amount of winnings made from a free chip. Just sent them ID and faxback- the support was friendly...Yes, I know- it's not 10's of thousands...but I guess the main point is still made. I'm just a pennie-gambler...

-Ergo-

 

[marcolino]

I just wanted to say that C2C paid me without any problems my small amount of winnings made from a free chip. Just sent them ID and faxback- the support was friendly...Yes, I know- it's not 10's of thousands...but I guess the main point is still made. I'm just a pennie-gambler...

-Ergo-

I'm very happy for you. pennie-gambler or high-rollers is the same one

To me instead 10300 had and of these they have only credited 6000.
When I have made one demanded of withdrawal of 16000 has found the excuse of the 6000 like if it were a debit.
But in truth these 6000 are a part of that they must to me.
And my winning of the 16000 (second T and C is 3996) C2C does not want to pay me

 

[bethug]

they are straight up crooks

 

[marcolino]

they are straight up crooks

Only crooks?

 

[marcolino]

they are straight up crooks

Connectocasino lately is also stealing directly from the credit cards?

 

[marcolino]

they are straight up crooks

One problem more with Connectocasino:

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[Lolit]

Had about a $5000 difference between what connecto paid me (very rapidly) and what i thought, maybe, i was due.

Took some time to read all the rules again.

Wrote a letter to Mr John Spears at connecto. A respectful business like letter, laying out the complications of my case clearly and unemotionally. Unless i was mistaken in my facts, or understanding of the rules, believe my payment was shorted.

At the time it looked like Spears was being hit (unfairly i suspect) with complaintsposted on the message boards.

Spears replied to the point - indicating an area where i had the been in error and then confirmed (in my mind) that i was correct. Wrote back again to that effect.

In a few days he just responded that the $5000 had been put back into my account and would be sent to my neteller within 2 days.

It was.

He handled my complaint rapidly and correctly in a business like fashion. Didn't say much. But he took the time to figure out what i was saying. He strikes me as an honest guy that wants things done correctly.

If folks are emailing complaints using the same style of expression that i see in posted complaints, then they are making it unecessarily difficult to get a fair hearing.

Connecto did right by me.

IMHO

 

[marcolino]

Dear Lolit,

The only important thing is that they pay what they must and they apply the corrected one

 

[The Dude]

Just a brief update, most of the "Pitch a Bitches" that have been forwarded have been answered. Some of the "wise" players should be receiving final payments in the near future.

 

[dickens1298]

As a relative neophyte to these boards, perhaps I am overstepping my bounds, but your actions are part of the reason you are as well-respected as you are, Bryan. Although I have not had any business with C2C in particular, I wish to thank you as an online player in general.

Quick question - did Spears or anyone at C2C indicate why there were so many problems? Although the issues seem to vary (from non-pay to Bet2's credit card charge), a prevalent theme seemed to be rude or unresponsive customer service - will the causes of these issues be rectified?

In short, would you recommend that players still stay away from c2c...or do you feel that there shouldn't be any problems in the future?

Just a brief update, most of the "Pitch a Bitches" that have been forwarded have been answered. Some of the "wise" players should be receiving final payments in the near future.

 

[caruso]

Here are some texts from those EZEboard links:

CONNECTOCASINO, WILL NOT HONOR AN WITHDRAWAL
REMOVE YOUR MONEY.........FROM HERE NOW.
RIP OFFS

And following that model of coherence and articulation

I did have two accounts but told them a while ago to close one

And following that self-confessed cheat (whether by design or error)

I got an email from Hampton and checked my Neteller account, the 75.00 was there. Their site is back up too. Sorry I complained, they do tell you 2 to 7 days for withdrawals, this one took 9. BUT I GOT PAID.

And following the above player who was complaining even before the seven day deadline was even up

After countless months of depositing hundreds of dollars i finally won, when i tryed to cash out they told me i was under investigation cause i have mutiple accounts, which i dont. so i told them that i let others use my puter

Finishing with this gem:

If you are looking to be ripped off these people are pros at it like virtual group don't even play there free money. Real slick to try to rip off either the mother of or an FBI agent.

If you have evidence, please air it and share it. But there is nothing in the above collection of links, posted here and at WOL, which contain anything but innuendo and uncorroborated allegations.

 

[bethug]

connect to casinos are crooks . Plain an simple

I called destianation poker before i depoist and ask who are there sister casinos, they said they had none. What shows up on my cc statement connect to casino.

Called the number on my statement, the man didnt even want to tell me what casinos it was, then i finallly got it out of him , he said i had no account and hung up. Called destianation casino same man pick up and hung up. Bull %#@

You dont see complaints about breakaway, inetbet, and a few others on a daily basic. Even cool cat casino back door people are cool.

also what happen to hampton casino

 

[dominique]

If you have evidence, please air it and share it. But there is nothing in the above collection of links, posted here and at WOL, which contain anything but innuendo and uncorroborated allegations.

I am with Caruso still on this one.

I do believe Bethug - he would much rather play at an RTG than badmouth them. I think they made a stupid mistake - bethug's is the only credit card complaint - and for some reason will not clean it up - and that is not all that smart either.

But all the rest seems to be mostly a feeding frenzy without any foundation.

I almost wonder now if Marcolino isn't Mr. C2C - the amount of time this has been in the headlines is staggering. This is getting to be a lot of publicity for c2c. And it looks like Marco has been spreading it wide and far. There is no bad publicity and all that...

Connect2, would you please clean up the mess with Bethug's credit card one way or another? This behavior is not making any sense, unless you are indeed happy with all that negative publicity.

 

[bethug]

dom, i said this before, this goes way pass my 100 cc depoist. I am not blaming rtg at all, i am blaming connect t casino for lying and being rude.

Before i play at any new casino, i call and ask who the sister casinos are, destination poker lied. And got busted that why they not saying anything. They dont want people to know that connect to casino and destination poker is the same people.

I could have over look everything if they didnt hang up, so i called destination poker same people pick up. Bam what can u say about that dom.
How can u clear that up. Unless i was dreaming, which i was not or that same rude person has a twiin.

 

[marcolino]

Caruso I do not know the history of connectocasino.
I have only tried little and I have see that they have many complaint.

... They with the excuse of debits do not want to pay to me.

But in truth I do not have debits with they.

They must to me 10300 of bonus and my winnings.

But They don't answer me

 

[dominique]

dom, i said this before, this goes way pass my 100 cc depoist. I am not blaming rtg at all, i am blaming connect t casino for lying and being rude.

Before i play at any new casino, i call and ask who the sister casinos are, destination poker lied. And got busted that why they not saying anything. They dont want people to know that connect to casino and destination poker is the same people.

I could have over look everything if they didnt hang up, so i called destination poker same people pick up. Bam what can u say about that dom.
How can u clear that up. Unless i was dreaming, which i was not or that same rude person has a twiin.

Bethug, we are on the same page here.

I am merely seperating the grain from the chaff.

BTW the other casino you are thinking of is Portofino. Connecto bought Portofino and Hampton.

I don't know why so many casinos and groups hide their associations from the rest of the industry.

This is not something unique to this situation, this is happening with regularity throughout the industry. This is another reason I hope the US sees the light and regulates the industry instead of driving it underground.

I have no idea why connectto would want to hide an association with Destination Poker. There are no founded claims against connectto I have seen other than yours, bethug. Maybe I will eat my words and some will prove to be founded, but for now I agree with Caruso.

So what is the deal with the secrecy? Why are you not getting your $100 - surely someone can afford to pay them? Why would Destination Poker give you $50? For what? If the phone is answered by the same person - why is this a secret? What is there to hide? Who cares if Destination Poker is connected to conncectto?

All, I can do is repeat a lot of questions. It is just very odd.

 

[spybarbie]

I totally agree ;-)

Took some time to read all the rules again.

I totally agree with that. First I was in great trouble to get the rules ... then I got the rules and I don't have any complaint about the payment.

What I like about the casino very much is that you can play days and days without being a so-called "high-roller". If you win, fine ... if not, okay ... I just had fun ;-)

 

[angahar]

No problems here

Just want to put in a good experience to balance out some of the bad. I have been playing connecto for a while and have claimed almost two dozen bonuses from them. I have won a nice bit of money by working around their rules and they have always paid me exactly the amount expected. After the first time with the fvf, the payouts have been very speedy, usually 1-2 days. (I once got paid by connecto THREE times in the time it took for a bungled cashout from the incompetent Lucky Emperor folks.) I have contacted their CS a few times and they have always been very helpful. Somehow I have been not yet been banned for my "wise" play, and I guess I'll keep plugging away until I am.

I am not suggesting this casino to anyone, as it is a regular generator of player complaints, but I am pointing out that not everyone is getting burned here. If they didn't have the max cashout rules then these guys would be making my house payment . . .

And I will second what Caruso is saying. 90% of all the connecto complaints we hear are player problems, not casino problems. Connecto desperately needs to reform the way they handle the 10% that are real problems, though.

 

[marcolino]

Connecto desperately needs to reform the way they handle the 10% that are real problems, though.

10% me it does not seem little

 

[bethug]

ohdreampop , from wol has not been paid and the jacking her around. There is way to many complaints. I think they running out of money, they bought out hampton, then purchase destination poker casino.

 

[dominique]

Bethug, I did not know that dreampop had not been paid. I will have to catch up on my reading on Monday.

I am always prepared to eat my words.

 

[jetset]

I don't often support Bethug's views but on this occasion I am beginning to have some serious doubts about Connect 2's relationship with Destination Poker that has so strenuously been denied.

After following Bethug's posts at WOL I forwarded a media enquiry to both John Spears at C2 and Jeffrey Wallace at Destination.

Spears denied any connection with Destination, nad said the dispute was a screw-up at the bank and that C2 had never received Bethug's money. He said that he had personally contacted Wallace on the issue, which had nothing to do with him.

Wallace said that Destination has no relationship with Connect2, but that Bethug's account had not been unjustly debited - he says Bethug deposited and lost $100 and then complained when the debit shoewd up on his statement with a mistaken Connect2 annotation, and that he has continued to kick up a fuss despite a bonus of $50 (?????) He is prepared to release logs to prove the $100 transaction he says.

But here's something in addition to the same voice Support that Bethug reports, and it makes me think we are not getting all the facts here - the email headers from Wallace include the following:

Processed in 0.543587 secs); 04 Jun 2004 10:05:28 -0000
X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: [email protected] via
nobelium.telkomsa.net
X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.16 (Clear:. Processed in 0.543587 secs)
Received: from connecttocasino.com (HELO mail.connectocasino.com)
([69.57.141.226])

 

[bethug]

Jetset, The only thing i dont see we dont agree on is the seal issue.

Like i said,50 or 100 bucks not issue, before i play at any casino , i calls and ask do they have a sister casino . I lost my 100 depoist at destination poker, look on my statement bam connenct to casino. Which i decided woould not play cause of all the problems. They been having slow plays across the board.

I believe connenct to casino is trying to cover up destination poker, and use it to start fresh , cause they tooking a hurting from the buy out of hampton and all the screw up at connecto casinos.

 

[caruso]

Hang on. Something's either been misunderstood by me or badly explained by you. This $100 debit is legitimate, you say? I understood it to be a $100 deposit you didn't actually make, not a deposit made at DP and registered from CTC. That's an ENTIRELY different matter. The only issue here would then be simply denial of the DP / CTC connection, not an unauthorized credit card charge. LOL, that's a much smaller "offence".

 

[bethug]

caurso, Destination poker is the only 100 cc depoist i made on the 27. And connecto to casino showed up on the statement. This not to me a small offence at all. I would not depoist nowing destination poker and connect to casino are the same. Which they flat out deny. So since they deny there apart of the same company. Connect to casino should not be on my statement. Lying and deny you own a casino. Hanging up and saying u dont have account with them. When i do is wrong. If they lie about that. What else they lying about.

1. destination poker, said we dont have a sister casino
2. connecto to casino said they not part of destination poker
3. depoist 100 bucks on may 27 to destination poker
4. on my statement connecto to casino shows up
5. Call the number on my statement, the man that pick up the phone, didnt want to tell me what company or casino it was, then said i had no account with them and hung up
6. destination poker dont know what happen to the money
7. few days later told they have the same lawyer and processor
8. now destination has the money , but on my statement it shows connecto to casino.

Since they lied out right , they should give me my 100 bucks

 

[Jblack]

connecto

The issue with this casino is that they see whom they can screw over. They have tactics by doing this that are totally unacceptable and should not be defended.
In my case they accused me of possibly using an robot ( I was playing slots! ) and wanted me to settle for less money, telling me to think it about and hung up on me. The money was rightfully mine so I pushed on.

When that retarded excuse was done. I was called a bonus abuser and that I am on some list they have from other casinos. (I had played with about 5 other casino at that time. So that was bull too) and they refused to pay.


After constant hounding, with letters, phone calls. I was paid over two months later. But the only reason is that I did not give up. I just wonder who has and not been paid that are not so persistent.

Does this sound like a casino that should be in business?

 

[caruso]

Since they lied out right , they should give me my 100 bucks

Well, reluctance to admit to connections with other casinos is not in itself any kind of a crime, neither is it grounds for player claims to money not owed - I'm not sure why you think this. At most, you can accuse them of lack of transparency - assuming they ARE connected. Of course, they may yet not be. Remember Cirrus? Bryan was flat out convinced they were associated to Virtual. Subsequently it transpired they were not. Mistakes like this are made. In the circumstances as we now correctly understand them, a $50 credit was very reasonable, and they're not outside their rights to request at least a clarification from you.

This was misleadingly presented: "Connectocasino are thieves like a mf", posted on several boards, followed by a load of Ezeboard postings containing nothing but a lot of uncorroborateable accusations. Then, it turns out the charge was actually legitimate, and any actual direct connection with DP is as yet in no way confirmed. Whether or not that turns out to be the case, there was no credit card fraud here - the issue as we understood it - and it's a grave accusation to make. Players who have been around and consider themselves "listened to" have a responsibility to be VERY accurate and considered in their postings. I have to say: this didn't happen here.

 

[bethug]

caruso, maybe cause your girl promotes them, you taken up for them.

I will state this one more time. I went to check my statement, cause i purchase some lock boxes for a home i am selling, What do i see connect to on my statement. i called the number on my statement, they was very rude and said , then had the never to say i didnt have account with them and hung up. Now this is what came out there mouth. From that alone i should get my 100 bucks. Then i go thru all the casinos i played and found out , that i made a cc depoist for a 100 bucks at destination poker. Which win i call the same guy picks up. But before i played at destination poker , i ask do u have any sister casinos, they said no.

Would u play at black widow sister casinos? I dont and never will

The same man pick the phone up, proves to me the same people own the casino, also jetset just showed you , emails are some one connected. But i guess you dont see that. They need to be close down. Any place that will let me post i will, i will also put them first page on the site i am building.

connect2 and crystal palace and others need to beclose down. If a casino straight out lies. How can u trust them

 

[bethug]

Also, if i go to sears and charge something and walmart shows up on my card, i should know why.

 

[dominique]

Ok, finally I can understand what went down.

Bethug deposited at Destination after asking them if they had a sister casino and they had said no.

This encouraged him to deposit $100 which he played and lost. Had he known there was a connection he would not have deposited since he believes connectto is not above board.

Next he looks at his credit card and sees that the $100 for Destination were credited to Connectto.

This upsets him - understandably - it is true, it is like buying something at Walmart and having the money go to Kmart. That is odd, and if for some reason you are boycotting Kmart, it would be equal to fraud. Your money was obtained from you through false pretenses.

Having the same lawyer, the same processor, the same voice, the same mail header - points to a very close connection.

There is one practise casinos employ a lot that may explain this without necessarily (but still possibly) making connecto and destination sister casinos. It is not unusual for new casinos to operate under the licence of an established casino until the registration of the new casino comes through, which can take some time.

Well, I don't see anyone paying Bethug any money as he did play and lose it.

You can argue that it was obtained from Bethug under false pretenses, and that is definitely not ethical.

I just don't see how this can be enforced.

Bethug, I wish you had explained this in more detail from the start. I was really confused there for a while.

 

[bethug]

dom, i didnt know from the start. All i knew is that i didnt depoist at connect to casino. I had to go back thru my records and find out. If they connect to casino was helping destination poker, why didnt they say it , instead of hanging up the phone and lying. Who every made connecto casino also made destination poker, look at the site. I was sold bad weed , where i am from , people dont dont take kindly to bad puff puff.

 

[RobWin]

Quote:
Originally Posted by bethug

Bryan, jetset, do you think there same??? I will not be taken no 50 bucks


Quote By Casinomeister :

They are the same. I know stuff like this.
__________________

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
~Bryan Bailey


Dom, The Meister himself has already stated in the above comment that Destination Poker and ConnecToCasino are one in the same !!

Please don't doubt the Meister, He is all Knowing...

 

[dominique]

Dom, The Meister himself has already stated in the above comment that Destination Poker and ConnecToCasino are one in the same !!

Please don't doubt the Meister, He is all Knowing...

Hehe, I don't doubt it for a minute! :notworthy

If they connect to casino was helping destination poker, why didnt they say it , instead of hanging up the phone and lying.

Because it isn't entirely legal to operate under someone else's licence?

However, if Bryan says he knows they are sisters, all other points are mute. That's what I get for not going back to read the entire thread and instead jumping on something I read. My bad.

 

[bethug]

dom,do you realy think that connect to casino is up and up?
I caught them in a lie

 

[The Dude]

Now I may seem to be all knowing - but I am not. Sometimes I know more than others simply because I "know" people in the industry (managers, owners, current and ex-employees) who can give me scraps of info to piece together.

Many of these RTG casinos use the same offices, the same support, the same managers - but yet they try to obscure all of this as if they have something to hide. This is what is bogus.

Remember Cirrus? Bryan was flat out convinced they were associated to Virtual. Subsequently it transpired they were not.

I was NOT wrong concerning Cirrus. Cirrus had all the earmarks of being a casino from the "Virtual" clan. They were on Prism's server, the emails were coming from Prism Casino, the download was from prismcasino.com, the traffic stats were on Virtual's account, etc. I even reported this on last June 4th's webcast and provided a screenshot of their traffic stats to prove my point:
https://www.casinomeister.com/static/images/screenshots/virtual_stats_screenshots.html
Now I was careful to say they "probably are" one in the same, not "are" one in the same - because in this business, you just never know. You may have evidence that one thing is going on - and yet you may be unaware of other things that "may" be happening.

Supposidly, Cirrus and Prism were clients of Virtual and worked out of the same offices. And as they grew their sea-legs, they moved on (I guess to the offices accross the hall ) I met with the owner of Virtual last January in London who explained some of this, and I get emails from other interested parties who explain other things as well.

What it boils down to is that you never can tell about most of the RTG casinos operating out of CR. I don't know who to trust - and you probably don't know either. I really don't understand what these casinos are trying to hide - everything is so damn secretive. When a MG casino group merges or buys out another, it's pretty much common knowledge and everyone talks about it (Vegas Partners for instance picking up CasinoUS, Cinema Casino, etc.) What is the deal with that?

Bethug has a legitimate gripe. He was lied to. The whole Destination Poker/Connecto "connections" are obvious and should be explained. A player has a right to know who they are making a deposit to - especially if they have strong feelings against the way one group of casinos operate. If Connecto casino wishes to obscure this connection, well then what the hell - they still lied to Bethug.

Caruso, I'm not ragging on you, but you seem to downplay this deceptive activity. If a casino has something to hide, there is probably a good reason for this. All signs point to a common denominator - IP addresses in emails don't lie.

Why the denial? Why not an explanation? Why the BS?

 

[marcolino]

I was NOT wrong concerning Cirrus.

Cirrus and Virtual (casinosupportcenter) is the same one casino. I have the tests.

---

The situation of Bethug is clear. He is equal to mine. First of all they say a lie and subsequently they continue to say it even if comes then revealed the truth.

 

[caruso]

This is getting silly. Bryan confirmed a long time ago that Cirrus is now a separate entity. Maybe, as he suggests here, there has been a closer relationship in the past, but I can't imagine that that ever existed at managerial level. Either way, NOW they are distinct. That Marco has the "tests" is a nonsensical statement.

Damian's situation is certainly "clear"; he mistook a legitimate transaction for a fraudulent one. The argument that there is "illegitimacy" in the fact that his money was obtained "under false pretences" can be made, but that has no bearing on the fact that the misunderstanding was on the part of the player, and incorrectly reported as theft. I have also had debits from my Neteller account the origins of which I've been unsure of - and credits, too. My small TVS resolution payment, under "Doloplex Holdings", would have been a mystery to me if I hadn't known that that exact sum could only have come from one operation. A quick check on the records always clears these things up, as Damian subsequently discovered. Better to sit back and think for a second before going off on tilt.

There's no value in creating lose-lose situations for casinos. If you make an accusation then subsequently discover that the error is yours, failure to offer any kind of a retraction is going to leave the casino wondering why they should bother at all. If they're in the wrong, they get kicked in the teeth; if the player is in the wrong, they get kicked in the teeth. Not much incentive for fair play, is it? Further back in this thread, a player accused them of "stealing" money he wasn't owed - then discovered that the "stolen" money was a sticky bonus he wasn't entitled to. Did he retract his accusation? Did he heck - he went on a made another one, for good measure!

That the players are traditionally the "good guys" and casinos the "bad guys" on the message boards should not be expoited. If you make a mistake, own up; if the casino does right by you, thank them; THEN, if the casino screws, you can blast them off the face of the earth with impunity, and your opinion will carry weight. If you go off half-cocked at every turn, never retract incorrect statements and never express appreciation for a "righted wrong" you can expect the same lack of consideration from the other side, and a general degredation of any goodwill that might exist between the to camps.

I really don't understand what these casinos are trying to hide - everything is so damn secretive.

I certainly agree with that. My point was simply that the theft accusation was false, and not that, assuming there IS a connection, the lack of disclosure is anything other than shady and dishonest.

 

[bethug]

caurso, I never wish to harm any rtg casinos. Not one. Saying that. If a casino tells you they dont know what u talking about and hangs up. What woould u think, also they still have not given me a good reason why, connect to casino is on my statement. Which i know why. They got caught in a lie and dont want to come straight. They stoled my money, how i see it. Where i am from u a straight up thief, if you fool someone to get something.

"legitimate transaction" when destination lied about being part of connect to casino. come on now. I was sold bad weed, plan and simple

 

[bethug]

caurso the more i read your post , its crazy

destination lied, connecto casino lied. And i suppose to kiss there butt. I suppose to take the 50 bucks and be happy or did they offor u the money to rebute what i am saying

See caurso 50 bucks dont bye me, even if they gave me my 100 bucks back, i will still raise crap. For one they lied to me. They sold me false goods. Any place in american i would be able to get my money back.

 

[marcolino]

That Marco has the "tests" is a nonsensical statement...

Dear Caruso

I don't have problem with Cirrus.

I have problem in all my history only with connectocasino


I have send you a PM with the explication in Italian lenguage.

If You want send this explanation - no problem.

 

[marcolino]

They got caught in a lie and dont want to come straight...

This is the history...

They say a lie and then they continue with this although the contrary is demonstrated...

like for their debits to my favor