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Why would it be a bad idea Cipher? While I believe that WB has told the truth, any person in their right mind would want to see original and undoctored documentation prior to sticking their own neck out.
What could there possibly be that would make me think that what you have done is okay? Or looking at it from another angle...that WB is not 100% totally within his rights to demand his money back. There is only one possibility that pops into my mind...and that would be if WB sent you money with full and complete knowledge that you were going to be using that money to defraud other people. Again, with his knowledge. In a case like that, then you would both be guilty as hell. And while it wouldn't change my view on what you've done, it would certainly make me look at WB in a new light, and not a favourable one.
Cipher, stop skirting the issue...if there is something that you think we should know (that we don't already), then spit it out.
The money itself isn't in dispute, nor the amount owing ($17,600). So the only issue left that is in any way debatable is the purpose of the original investment. Again, if you have something to add...we're waiting.
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Legal BS doesn't get any better by adding size and colour to it. Besides, I will sue you if I damage my eyes by reading these posts.
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General Note: Irrespective of your "side" on this issue, and I appreciate this is an emotional topic, please keep to adult debate. You can get your point over without the need to regress in doing so 
Cheers
Simmo!
Footnote: Meister has been over here in london this past week.
Cheers
Simmo!
Footnote: Meister has been over here in london this past week.
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Simmo!
Agreed Simmo. It's hard for me though, I think I'm still 16, lol.
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General Note: Irrespective of your "side" on this issue, and I appreciate this is an emotional topic, please keep to adult debate. You can get your point over without the need to regress in doing so
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Hi Simmo,
Not taking offense, but how do you call a crook a crook in a civil manner?
There is only one side - the guy got scammed. The other side is a guy scammed him. If Cipher was a casino he would be in the rogue hall of fame.
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Careful what you wish for
I wouldn't suggest that. If this guy is a compulsive gambler and I suspect that is at the root of all this, then he might just do it. Remember that guy that shot himself at the blackjack table in Detroit. "Your just killing me" he said to the dealer and then blew himself away.
Cipher is a low life - but with help he may be worthwhile some day. I don't want him to kill himself. I just want him to make amends. That's the start to healing.
Stanford
I wouldn't suggest that. If this guy is a compulsive gambler and I suspect that is at the root of all this, then he might just do it. Remember that guy that shot himself at the blackjack table in Detroit. "Your just killing me" he said to the dealer and then blew himself away.
Cipher is a low life - but with help he may be worthwhile some day. I don't want him to kill himself. I just want him to make amends. That's the start to healing.
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Hi Simmo,
Not taking offense, but how do you call a crook a crook in a civil manner?
"you Frist" ?
Nah - I hear what you are saying but some of you guys are good at it, some less so
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I actually signed up to PU to watch this video...here's the link for everyone's amusement
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edit...especially in the end that's too much ha ha
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I caught the Slotchik/Casinomeister one and nearly wet myself! The guy is hilarious... I love the gangsta-style words and language, interspersed with quite mundane points - in the nice neat office. It's like a cross between fiddy cent and David Brent (Michael Scott for American audiences).
I have no opinion on what these people are doing/trying to do or any of that nonsense and best of luck to them - but to the casual observer - it's hilarious!
As for Cipher... The usual smoke and mirrors, the usual BS - and the usual skirting round the issue... Well and truly outed - game over.
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To echo Simmos! comment - this thread will spiral into a load of crap (and be upgraded to closed) if any further name-calling occurs. If you want to tell people to jump off roofs or to go fuck themselves, do it somewhere else. Keep focused on the issues - not on your emotions. Thank you.
Tomorrow is my first day of work after being absent (from here) last week.
To echo Simmos! comment - this thread will spiral into a load of crap (and be upgraded to closed) if any further name-calling occurs. If you want to tell people to jump off roofs or to go fuck themselves, do it somewhere else. Keep focused on the issues - not on your emotions. Thank you.
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Damn, that was a freaking great video Damian made, time to break it down for Cipher ..........
You go Damian...
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I just watched the video again
The end where Damian looks into the cam and says..."you got a gambling problem??" is so over the top, I had to laugh. (but yes, I know this whole debacle is serious business)
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The end where Damian looks into the cam and says..."you got a gambling problem??" is so over the top, I had to laugh.
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That is the best advice. A forum or message board serves the purpose of getting the word out and exposing a fraudster to the community, but beyond that..you are best seeking legal advice for your specific problem. WB has been given many different options of following this up legally. I definitely hope he looks into all of them.
What strikes me as really sad about this whole thing is that we have shady casinos who rip off players (and affiliates), and we have shady players/affiliates who try to rip off casinos. It now looks like we have a forum member/player who screwed over a fellow player. That truly sucks.
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Fat Lady hasn't sung
What is sad is the fat lady isn't singing. Cipher isn't expressing contrition. On the contrary, he is still selling his scamsystem. There are going to be other desparate people that get there money stolen.
That's why I am not sure we should wait. It might be time for many of us to contact the FBI independently and have this guy investigated.
We have all given Cipher far to much lattitude because he was a player advocate at one time. But he is still a scamster. And he is still scaming as we speak.
You know, often times the only way for a person to get out of the denial stage is for people to be brutally frank about their activity. I think Cipher may well be a gambling addict and we might actually being doing him a favor by pushing him closer to the bottom.
Stanford.
What is sad is the fat lady isn't singing. Cipher isn't expressing contrition. On the contrary, he is still selling his scamsystem. There are going to be other desparate people that get there money stolen.
That's why I am not sure we should wait. It might be time for many of us to contact the FBI independently and have this guy investigated.
We have all given Cipher far to much lattitude because he was a player advocate at one time. But he is still a scamster. And he is still scaming as we speak.
You know, often times the only way for a person to get out of the denial stage is for people to be brutally frank about their activity. I think Cipher may well be a gambling addict and we might actually being doing him a favor by pushing him closer to the bottom.
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I agree on that Stanford, absolutely. Which is why I mentioned the webpage, which if laden with enough of the proper keywords, would be brought up anytime someone went searching for blackjack or blackjack systems (or Cipher for that matter). But again, I still would want to see the actual proof first, ie. emails, agreement, cheque, etc. And I'd want to make sure it was authentic.
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Cipher is the proof
Your idea for a webpage is an excellent idea.
Proof is out there. Go to WOL where he offers to pay back the money in $500 installments and then withdraws the offer.
Even without this player, the guys is a conman. Go to his website and review his own material that he tries to represent his system will give a player an edge for a mere $1,000. It's snake oil.
Go to Blackjackinfo.com and see what real blackjack professionals say. Particularly that guy posting as Qfit. That's Norm Wattenberger. He has forgotten more about blackjack and simulation software than most of us will ever know. Many if not most blackjack professionals use Casino Verite software written by Norm.
If you want an independent answer, pop over to Arnold Snyder's site and just post the link to Cipher's system and ask if it is legit. They won't be kind with the answer.
There really isn't any doubt about Cipher. The only question is his motivation. If it is a gambling addiction, there is hope he can make amends. But first he has to admit his addiction.
Stanford
Your idea for a webpage is an excellent idea.
Proof is out there. Go to WOL where he offers to pay back the money in $500 installments and then withdraws the offer.
Even without this player, the guys is a conman. Go to his website and review his own material that he tries to represent his system will give a player an edge for a mere $1,000. It's snake oil.
Go to Blackjackinfo.com and see what real blackjack professionals say. Particularly that guy posting as Qfit. That's Norm Wattenberger. He has forgotten more about blackjack and simulation software than most of us will ever know. Many if not most blackjack professionals use Casino Verite software written by Norm.
If you want an independent answer, pop over to Arnold Snyder's site and just post the link to Cipher's system and ask if it is legit. They won't be kind with the answer.
There really isn't any doubt about Cipher. The only question is his motivation. If it is a gambling addiction, there is hope he can make amends. But first he has to admit his addiction.
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Cipher, GAME is OVER mate....
You do what you ve always done right....
Not answering to any question asked....
I do not thnk you ll ever have the time to clean your name from this.
Have a good one.....
You do what you ve always done right....
Not answering to any question asked....
I do not thnk you ll ever have the time to clean your name from this.
Have a good one.....
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I've seen it all Stanford. When I spoke of proof, I meant as it relates to Westland Bowl's issue with Cipher directly. Besides posts on a forum.
I really wish that anyone else who has been hoodwinked in the same manner as Westland Bowl would come forward and verify that Cipher has indeed done this to more than one person. The only conclusion I can draw is that they are refraining from doing so on legal advice, or, they still hold out hope that Cipher may pay them. Or, I guess it's always possible they don't exist at all. But I vote for one or two.
I really wish that anyone else who has been hoodwinked in the same manner as Westland Bowl would come forward and verify that Cipher has indeed done this to more than one person. The only conclusion I can draw is that they are refraining from doing so on legal advice, or, they still hold out hope that Cipher may pay them. Or, I guess it's always possible they don't exist at all. But I vote for one or two.
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Stanford, I think what Pinababy69 meant to say is that WB/Tim Bell is holding this back as not to expose his evidence wide open to the public eye, i.e. the cheque and initial email agreements with Bruce Holway (cipher). We're just seeing the after effects not what was initially exchanged.
Anyway, I'm off wish the OP the best. Maybe it's time to take a break from this issue, until concrete action is taken?
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Yeah, I didn't want to lay out my cards (oh my, a pun!) on the table just yet. Though I did send a couple of people a particular email in which the agreement was spelled out.
Yes, what more is there to add? Cipher has shown himself and the people can judge for themselves if he's legit or not. Cement action will be taken sometime soon.
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IMO Cipher is nothing but a con man based on what i have read. I wonder how many thousands of $ he bilked people out of. Must be in the hundreds of thousands. If what i read is true he is the scum of scum and should try to hook up with Warren Cloud.
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Cipher on that other website - one of the millions I'm trying to keep track of said:
Just reading through this again - it's HILARIOUS!!!! Has Cipher got away with feeding everyone liquid BS for so long, he thinks people will lap up anything!?!? I mean - read the thing... Heh heh - It's RIDICULOUS! "You will thereby be considered as a co-conspirator etc "
I mean, Cipher, reading through the myriad of history that has unsurprisingly suddenly turned up in Google under your name - this is a piss poor attempt - even by your recent standards.
Listen, we all know you're sat scared, pondering the enormity of your crimes - and waiting for the inevitable knock on the door. Why not come clean now and at least regain some shred of decency - it can only help you in the long run.
Alternatively -- please continue this farcical behaviour! Makes great comedy for the casual observer like me
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Cipher:
Please take notice of this hereby, herewith, hereforto message posted upon this veritable notice board on this day of January 2007 (Two thousand and seven) that I will hereby, herewith, hearing aid continue to find all future postings by "CIPHER" (You, yes YOU!) (Aforementioned poster of mentioned previously bulletin board malarkey) from hereon onwards - find all postings to continue to be as absurd as they are hysterical.
So speaketh me today on this day in January (the one that comes after December) in the year of 2007 (2007) (Two Thousand and Seven)
Amen.
Should you wish, require, desire me to cease and desist in finding everything you type hilarious - you have one hour (Sixty minutes, comprising each of sixty seconds) to comply.
No further warning will be given*
Unless I decide to post something immediately afterwards when my fear/ego/sheer panic takes over **
** Help.
Please take notice of this hereby, herewith, hereforto message posted upon this veritable notice board on this day of January 2007 (Two thousand and seven) that I will hereby, herewith, hearing aid continue to find all future postings by "CIPHER" (You, yes YOU!) (Aforementioned poster of mentioned previously bulletin board malarkey) from hereon onwards - find all postings to continue to be as absurd as they are hysterical.
So speaketh me today on this day in January (the one that comes after December) in the year of 2007 (2007) (Two Thousand and Seven)
Amen.
Should you wish, require, desire me to cease and desist in finding everything you type hilarious - you have one hour (Sixty minutes, comprising each of sixty seconds) to comply.
No further warning will be given*
Unless I decide to post something immediately afterwards when my fear/ego/sheer panic takes over **
** Help.
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It's a shame most were buddies to him
It's a shame most were buddies to him Thank God not me But most did follow hiim like puppy dogs and think he was the greatest person around.To think they would have Tons of money that he would of made for you lol
I wonder if he sleeps good at night
I know me will love his new view is going to have JAIL
After all this %$^& He should never be allowed in any forum again.And we all know he will join under a new name.
Bethug great Video keep up the great job in letting people know how cipher is a &%$# Bag and more.
Maybe I can sell him my new book out
"How To Pay The One's You Owe"
I bet when he goes to jail he will come out with a book himself
"How I Ate The &#$# Off The Walls To Make A Buck"
People that do this to others should be......................
Cipher just pay out what you owe and go way
I bet you can count how many friends you have on one hand now.But we know you can careless you got them to pay you and You dancing all the way to the bank you stole from them.
R I H Cipher
Have a good one...........
It's a shame most were buddies to him Thank God not me But most did follow hiim like puppy dogs and think he was the greatest person around.To think they would have Tons of money that he would of made for you lol
I wonder if he sleeps good at night
I know me will love his new view is going to have JAIL
After all this %$^& He should never be allowed in any forum again.And we all know he will join under a new name.
Bethug great Video keep up the great job in letting people know how cipher is a &%$# Bag and more.
Maybe I can sell him my new book out
"How To Pay The One's You Owe"
I bet when he goes to jail he will come out with a book himself
"How I Ate The &#$# Off The Walls To Make A Buck"
People that do this to others should be......................
Cipher just pay out what you owe and go way
I bet you can count how many friends you have on one hand now.But we know you can careless you got them to pay you and You dancing all the way to the bank you stole from them.
R I H Cipher
Have a good one...........
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Just reading through this again - it's HILARIOUS!!!! Has Cipher got away with feeding everyone liquid BS for so long, he thinks people will lap up anything!?!? I mean - read the thing... Heh heh - It's RIDICULOUS! "You will thereby be considered as a co-conspirator etc "
I mean, Cipher, reading through the myriad of history that has unsurprisingly suddenly turned up in Google under your name - this is a piss poor attempt - even by your recent standards.
Listen, we all know you're sat scared, pondering the enormity of your crimes - and waiting for the inevitable knock on the door. Why not come clean now and at least regain some shred of decency - it can only help you in the long run.
Alternatively -- please continue this farcical behaviour! Makes great comedy for the casual observer like me
It sure does Sloster, Cipher is a real comedian...
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Great video Damian! ( if you read this forum still ) Take care!
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It sure does Sloster, Cipher is a real comedian...
You know what though - I reckon he still thinks people believe his vague, pseudo-legal jibberish! He must do to be sticking with it...Mental under the damning evidence, weak partial offer of 'repayment' - and subsequent theatrics... Crazy scenes!
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Cipher......... legend in his own mind!
Freaking Cheers dude! And.......have a good one!
Freaking Cheers dude! And.......have a good one!
Hey everyone!!! (suzecat, tim5ny, RobWin, Pinababy69, Stanford, Slotster, BingoT and everyone else)
Don't be talking about Cipher!
You might just end up being one of the co-(what was the word he used again?), oh yeah, co-conspirator. He might have his lawyer sueing you too and take you to court for "deformation" and "consipiring" against him.
Aren't you guys scared he might do that? You might have the Police coming to see you too you know? He might be calling the cops on you too.
As for those of you who thinks Damian Dunlap is good in doing his video, please don't say it out loud and don't support it as Cipher might actually also say that you are trying to deform him too.
Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid of "Cipher".
Don't be talking about Cipher!
You might just end up being one of the co-(what was the word he used again?), oh yeah, co-conspirator. He might have his lawyer sueing you too and take you to court for "deformation" and "consipiring" against him.
Aren't you guys scared he might do that? You might have the Police coming to see you too you know? He might be calling the cops on you too.
As for those of you who thinks Damian Dunlap is good in doing his video, please don't say it out loud and don't support it as Cipher might actually also say that you are trying to deform him too.
Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid of "Cipher".
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Cipher says he gonna visit Damian!
This is a direct quote by Cipher on the OPU forum at:
Damian lives in Compton CA. Are they going to meet for tea???
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Damian lives in Compton CA. Are they going to meet for tea???
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It's the Compton Police Dept.
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Well, at least he drives a Porsche WB. If it's in his name and paid off, he has at least one asset that can be sold off.
On a more serious note WB, honestly...if Damian chooses to respond to that, that's his choice, his forum. As far as you go, you know what my opinion is. Do not stoop to that level, you see how it makes Cipher look. The forums and message boards have served their purpose for the time being. The man has been exposed for what he is. It is time for you to look after yours and your family's interests, and those interests are not served on a forum. Go the legal route. This won't be forgotten, trust me. But you won't do yourself any favours by getting into a mud slinging match with him. It's time for a lawyer, and make sure it's one who knows his stuff. JMO.
On a more serious note WB, honestly...if Damian chooses to respond to that, that's his choice, his forum. As far as you go, you know what my opinion is. Do not stoop to that level, you see how it makes Cipher look. The forums and message boards have served their purpose for the time being. The man has been exposed for what he is. It is time for you to look after yours and your family's interests, and those interests are not served on a forum. Go the legal route. This won't be forgotten, trust me. But you won't do yourself any favours by getting into a mud slinging match with him. It's time for a lawyer, and make sure it's one who knows his stuff. JMO.
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I kinda think that Cipher is offering his Porsche to pay me! Wow! No?
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What year is it? And anyone know blue book value? I didn't take his post to mean that. I took it in a much more sinister vein, but I've been wrong before (many times).
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Sorry WB, I missed the sarcasm...gotcha now. I've spent the last little bit searching available domain names and trying to come up with a real catchy one.....brain is a little mushy. 
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Well, at least he drives a Porsche WB. If it's in his name and paid off, he has at least one asset that can be sold off.
On a more serious note WB, honestly...if Damian chooses to respond to that, that's his choice, his forum. As far as you go, you know what my opinion is. Do not stoop to that level, you see how it makes Cipher look. The forums and message boards have served their purpose for the time being. The man has been exposed for what he is. It is time for you to look after yours and your family's interests, and those interests are not served on a forum. Go the legal route. This won't be forgotten, trust me. But you won't do yourself any favours by getting into a mud slinging match with him. It's time for a lawyer, and make sure it's one who knows his stuff. JMO.
Great advice Pina,
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Still no real answers...
Cipher...
I have added nothing to this thread since my original post... where I stated I hoped you would respond to these accusations... and when you did decide to post a response on this forum... you used my original post to preface it.
For reasons known only to yourself... you have chosen to respond to this issue in an arrogant and abrasive manner (both on this and the other forums you have added responses on) without responding to any of the relevent questions that have been asked repeatedly.
I have yet to read any response posted by you that actually deals with Tim's accusations against you.
Tim has answered every question asked by the numerous posters in this thread. You have answered none.
I have no dog in this fight... but as an interested observer and participant of online gaming issues... for 7 years now... and a background of 35 years with issues involving gambling... I feel I have developed a pretty accurate insight and perception of things.
From what has been presented to this point... you Cipher... haven't shown or proven anything contrary to what most here have stated about you. You have not "denied" any of Tim's accusations about you regarding this issue.
I'll not add to the many negative comments that have been made about you and your reputation and ethics. What would be the point... it would be overkill.
Cipher...
I have added nothing to this thread since my original post... where I stated I hoped you would respond to these accusations... and when you did decide to post a response on this forum... you used my original post to preface it.
For reasons known only to yourself... you have chosen to respond to this issue in an arrogant and abrasive manner (both on this and the other forums you have added responses on) without responding to any of the relevent questions that have been asked repeatedly.
I have yet to read any response posted by you that actually deals with Tim's accusations against you.
Tim has answered every question asked by the numerous posters in this thread. You have answered none.
I have no dog in this fight... but as an interested observer and participant of online gaming issues... for 7 years now... and a background of 35 years with issues involving gambling... I feel I have developed a pretty accurate insight and perception of things.
From what has been presented to this point... you Cipher... haven't shown or proven anything contrary to what most here have stated about you. You have not "denied" any of Tim's accusations about you regarding this issue.
I'll not add to the many negative comments that have been made about you and your reputation and ethics. What would be the point... it would be overkill.
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big blue authority figure
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my guess is that it's 15% paid for.
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It's funny that Ciphers Profile shows under Favorite TV shows:
FOX NEWS
I don't think he has watched the "NO Spin Zone" lately though !
FOX NEWS
I don't think he has watched the "NO Spin Zone" lately though !
WB you have way too much patience, with the boldness he displays going through the legal channels will be futile, lengthy and expensive, I am in a business where a lot of personal money changes hands, when one is fu**ing one he is the one whom ends up fu**ed, I know this may sound harsh, however nothing is a better motivator than fear of life itself (or the threat of intense pain anyway), sorry this this is offensive to some but these kind of scumbags hide behind the legal system all the time and think the longer it goes on the safer things will be, which happens more often than not. Good luck with your persuits.
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Statute of limitations question
Hmmm...1 year from when the fraud occured or 1 year from when the fraud is discovered? In an investment-type fraud, the people making the investments obviously don't know it's a fraud at the time they make the investment, even though it may have been fraudulent from the get-go. Sometimes it takes years to uncover the fraud, yet major lawsuits are often won in these cases.
Worth checking...
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Hmmm...1 year from when the fraud occured or 1 year from when the fraud is discovered? In an investment-type fraud, the people making the investments obviously don't know it's a fraud at the time they make the investment, even though it may have been fraudulent from the get-go. Sometimes it takes years to uncover the fraud, yet major lawsuits are often won in these cases.
Worth checking...
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Sorry WB, I missed the sarcasm...gotcha now. I've spent the last little bit searching available domain names and trying to come up with a real catchy one.....brain is a little mushy.
www.pinasdungeon.com is still available
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what about www.casinomeistress.com ??? Nobody will know you're plagiarising another website's good name and reputation. 32 Vegas seem to have gotten away with it without (much) people spotting what they cleverly did!
Anyhow that's my first 2 hours at work on a Monday morning catching up on this saga.
For what it's worth, I'm not going to give any legal advice as the extent of my knowledge is that it is illegal in Scotland to urinate in a public place even if you are very inebriated (25 fine for that one) and don't think it's relevant to the case in question.
I too am keen to hear Cipher's side but feeling we are never going to...
I hope that the saying that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" does not hold true. Despite all the negative stuff sure there will be some mugs who get drawn into looking at cipher's website for the first time (like me) and believe the BS and spend $1,000 on the software (not like me).
Commiseration on the loss of your loved one WB and hope you get your money back (although, please do not connect the 2, I would hope you get your money back whatever your other circumstances were)
Anyhow that's my first 2 hours at work on a Monday morning catching up on this saga.
For what it's worth, I'm not going to give any legal advice as the extent of my knowledge is that it is illegal in Scotland to urinate in a public place even if you are very inebriated (25 fine for that one) and don't think it's relevant to the case in question.
I too am keen to hear Cipher's side but feeling we are never going to...
I hope that the saying that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" does not hold true. Despite all the negative stuff sure there will be some mugs who get drawn into looking at cipher's website for the first time (like me) and believe the BS and spend $1,000 on the software (not like me).
Commiseration on the loss of your loved one WB and hope you get your money back (although, please do not connect the 2, I would hope you get your money back whatever your other circumstances were)
- Joined
- Oct 17, 2004
- Location
- Location, Location!
That's the weirdest spelling of PORCH I've ever seen.
Coincidentally, I saw him in it earlier...
- Joined
- Jan 23, 2007
- Location
- USA
Discovered. Sorry, my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out.
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