It's too bad nobody ever tried to expose Cipher as a system scammer. It's too bad nobody ever made posts on an internet online gambling related messageboard summarizing Cipher's ludicrous claims related to online BJ, trying to show people that he's obviously a fraud.
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I thought I would return to the Forum for a while just to add to the debate on this issue.
If you look through my previous posts you will see that I challenged Cipher many times about his so called 'strands'. I said then and I repeat now, he is a snakeoil salesman.
You will not get a straight answer from him because he is a con man.
Don't bother asking about his 'system' or anything else just try and get him to answer the one question which exposes him as a total BSer. If you had only asked yourself this question you probably would not be in this situation now.
If he has a sucessful system why would he ask for other peoples money? He is a mega multi miilionaire after all, as I would be if I could generate even a 1% advantage over the casinos.
He won't answer this question because he can't!
Westland Bowl, I am afraid you have little chance of seeing any of your money again. If Cipher was a straightforward con artist he might have some money hidden somewhere but we know he has been gambling and quite often at high stakes. You have just been feeding his gambling addiction and his ego. Your money now is with the casino owners!
It may have been that at one time Cipher actually believed his 'strands' worked. He was running an obvious negative progression system which normally means lots of winning sessions followed by the inevitable catastrophic session where it all goes. Cipher I am sure has no illusions by now about his 'system', he will have suffered this pattern many times now. Perhaps he is still deluding himself that the casinos have cheated during these bad sessions by 'pulling a switch' on him, he used to refer to this.
So what should you do? Unfortunately I have no indepth knowledge of American law.
You should certainly see a lawyer and it would be in your best interests if you could make contact with as many of Ciphers other 'clients' to check out their experiences with Cipher. (probably not good)
If you can get any money from him, (doubtful!) no matter how small, take it but with the proviso that you make it clear that you are accepting without prejudice to any further action.
Whatever you do, and I understand the frustration and temptation, do not make any threats of violence, this would play into Cipher's hands.
You have at least got the satisfaction of having exposed Cipher for what he is and may have prevented some other poor souls losing their money in this fashion.
However, continuing to conduct the debate over the net is probably not a good idea either if you intend to follow up with legal action.
Good luck with this affair. (unfortunately I think you are going to need it)
Mitch
