Cipher- The Wizard of BJ

[Swede]

Spot on Miss Pina. To whomever is wronged here, activly go after what is yours, weather it'd be direct bank transfers or hands-on deposits long lost. Either way, take action to protect whatever money is yours.

This is what casinomeister is all about. This is why we gather on an anonymous website to prevent casino and webmasters blunders which affects players.

Please people, ACT against internet scams, whichever form they may take and let us other players know what's up. Like in this very thread...

Do this again and often, please.

All the best, have a great weekend!

Swede

 

[goatmouth]

Other recourse????

Would it make sense to get the DA involved? If he really is scamming like everybody claims he is then my guess he is prepared for something like this (ie no assets in his name, no money, lost it all gambling, etc.). Wouldn't it just make sense to turn him over to the D of J and have them pursue? If the money is gone, which I am convinced it is, at least others can be saved from making the same mistake.

 

[me_and_ed]

For 5K there are a lot more effective and faster ways to collect you dough!! I believe in the golden rule.

 

[Pinababy69]

At the very least, let's hope that he won't be "trolling for marks" at Casinomeister anymore. What legal action WB and any other affected parties choose to take (or not) is entirely up to them. I wish them the best.

With regards to Cipher, as my friend Swampwitch likes to say....karma is a real bitch (even more than me, ha ha).

 

[Westland Bowl]

Would it make sense to get the DA involved? If he really is scamming like everybody claims he is then my guess he is prepared for something like this (ie no assets in his name, no money, lost it all gambling, etc.). Wouldn't it just make sense to turn him over to the D of J and have them pursue? If the money is gone, which I am convinced it is, at least others can be saved from making the same mistake.

Cipher has a nice house with a pool in the back. Another person who has known Bruce for a few years says he does has a lot of money. How much? Don't know. But if his postings of his BoDog sessions is to be believed, he has recently had at least $50,000 just at BoDog.

 

[Pinababy69]

Cipher has a nice house with a pool in the back. Another person who has known Bruce for a few years says he does has a lot of money. How much? Don't know. But if his postings of his BoDog sessions is to be believed, he has recently had at least $50,000 just at BoDog.

Well, Bodog wouldn't be able to comment publicly on Cipher's play or gaming sessions or wins, but I am curious as to how they feel having their reputable site in any way associated with this guy. Hmmmm....I've given myself an idea.

Bodog can't stop him from advertising the fact that he plays there, but they sure could pull his advertising and/or his affiliate account.

 

[goatmouth]

For 5K there are a lot more effective and faster ways to collect you dough!! I believe in the golden rule.

What dough!?!?!?!

 

[bpb]

It's too bad nobody ever tried to expose Cipher as a system scammer. It's too bad nobody ever made posts on an internet online gambling related messageboard summarizing Cipher's ludicrous claims related to online BJ, trying to show people that he's obviously a fraud.

<sigh>

 

[tim5ny]

Make sure we get a positive DNA confirmation after Cipher is dead. Or just post a pic of his head on a silver platter... and garnish it with Aces and Kings please!

 

[tim5ny]

Excuse the last posting please! I got him confused with Saddam.

 

[winbig]

I'd be willing to donate webhosting space/traffic and possibly a forum to warn people of this guy, until you are paid.

PM me if you're interested

PS: The hosting company is in the UK, so no fear of big brother

Hmmm is anyone interested in helping with a site for the sole purpose of warning people of *all* scams running around the gaming community?

 

[Pinababy69]

I'd be willing to donate webhosting space/traffic and possibly a forum to warn people of this guy, until you are paid.

PM me if you're interested

PS: The hosting company is in the UK, so no fear of big brother

Hmmm is anyone interested in helping with a site for the sole purpose of warning people of *all* scams running around the gaming community?

It's a great idea Winbig, but be careful. Not all claims of fraud are legit, as we witness on this board fairly regularly. It could be a great source of info, but take care to make sure you don't get hoodwinked yourself, by anyone with ulterior motives. As we've seen from today's events, a person's reputation can be damaged beyond repair. I think what happened today was warranted, and Cipher brought it on himself. But there are also innocent people who get accused of things they are not guilty of. Just an opinion folks, before anyone jumps down my throat.

That being said, you know you can count on me if you need anything.

 

[Westland Bowl]

winbig, if it really takes $5k to get back the $20k, I'd definitely do it. This is not only because I want the money back (if it was mine) but because I want to teach him a lesson NEVER to cheat people like that and also to stop him from ever doing things like that ever again!

WB, I'm not an extremely wealthy person but I am sure I could spare $50 or so to aid in your cause of a lawsuit against him. I'm very sure that members on this forum would be more than happy to support you on your lawsuit as well. (I hope)

I hope that your generous offer would not be needed. Bruce/Cipher has admitted that he owes at least the principal but he still won't pay it in full in one payment. He wants to spread it out over 1 1/2 YEARS! We'll see if he can mend his ways yet.

 

[winbig]

It's a great idea Winbig, but be careful. Not all claims of fraud are legit, as we witness on this board fairly regularly. It could be a great source of info, but take care to make sure you don't get hoodwinked yourself, by anyone with ulterior motives. As we've seen from today's events, a person's reputation can be damaged beyond repair. I think what happened today was warranted, and Cipher brought it on himself. But there are also innocent people who get accused of things they are not guilty of. Just an opinion folks, before anyone jumps down my throat.

That being said, you know you can count on me if you need anything.

I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole until I saw signed documents and so forth to prove that Cipher indeed owes this money......can those be produced?

 

[Westland Bowl]

I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole until I saw signed documents and so forth to prove that Cipher indeed owes this money......can those be produced?

Like a carbon copy of the cashier's check with Bruce Holway's name on it? Yeah.

 

[Pinababy69]

NM. Don't know how that happened.

 

[winbig]

NM. Don't know how that happened.

What? The big O?

 

[Pinababy69]

What? The big O?

Major brain freeze. Was talking on IM at the same time I was gonna post and reply to a PM. That's three things at once folks. Some days walking and talking are a challenge.

Winbig, you been told today?

 

[aodat2]

W B, my 1 and only suggestion to you is to get a lawyer or talk to the DA about this. Get their opinion. Use their knowledge if you feel that most of us here on the board are wrong. BUT

1. Do not delay in anything at all
2. Do not let the statute of limitation run out
3. Do not wait till the last minute to start doing stuff
4. Do not make/accept a deal with Cipher
5. Do not say anything that you might regret later

and most of all

DO NOT LET THIS CASE GO WITHOUT CAUSING SOME DAMAGE!!! (I'm sure you know what I mean)

Just remember this famous ole saying :
"Once a thief, always a thief" & "A leopard never changes his spots"

 

[RobWin]

This is Criminal not Civil

Westland Bowl, You need to get in touch with the District Attorney as soon as possible and have him persue the charges of:

1. Theft By Deception

and

2. Theft By Conversion......(before the statue of limitations runs out)


These are two major charges that are Felonies in the US with lots of jail time if convicted.

If you can convince the DA to persue this case it should be your best hope of recovering your money or at least some of it if Cipher is convicted.

Most likely he would plead "Nolo contendere" and the jail time sentence would be suspended by the Judge and Cipher would be placed on Probation until he had fully paid back all monies awared in your case.

Also if you can get Three people together that have been scammed and wronged by his actions you can then file a Class Action Law Suit which is a Federal case.

Hope this helps and Good Luck...

 

[kakata]

WB do not lose the first fly to CA..................c.mon.
Im a good guy, but I would be sleeping with him untill he would pay me.
There are times in life where you have to decide.
No way ,anybody, can drink my children milk.

 

[winbig]

WB do not lose the first fly to CA..................c.mon.
Im a good guy, but I would be sleeping with him untill he would pay me.
There are times in life where you have to decide.
No way ,anybody, can drink my children milk.

huh?

If you're suggesting he play by cipher's game, you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[kakata]

I might be wrong.................
I couldnt sleep nor look myself in the mirror (sorry WB)thinking that a M*****f took my money and Im doin nothing about it

 

[winbig]

I might be wrong.................
I couldnt sleep nor look myself in the mirror (sorry WB)thinking that a M*****f took my money and Im doin nothing about it

Yea, but if he played by ciphers rules, he would be doin nothin about it.

 

[Stanford]

Cipher is a crook

It's too bad nobody ever tried to expose Cipher as a system scammer. It's too bad nobody ever made posts on an internet online gambling related messageboard summarizing Cipher's ludicrous claims related to online BJ, trying to show people that he's obviously a fraud.

<sigh>

That's exactly right. And some of us knew better. This isn't watchdog stuff. Watchdogs keep the casinos straight. But those that have a history of gaming knew this Cipher System was all bunk. I knew it and should have said so.

You said so in an earlier thread. You said:

"Cipher's system (program, theory, etc.) does nothing to change the house advantage of the games you are playing. If there was a pattern to be exploited in an online casino's RNG, you would be able to clearly describe and define your edge in mathematical terms.

Do not fool yourself, you are losing because you are playing negative expectation games. You are supposed to lose in the long run unless you do something to create an advantageous situtation (through bonuses, promotions, mistakes in a casino's implementation, etc.)

The only greed you're exhibiting is believing that a nebulous system is creating an edge for you. Rule of thumb ... if you can't precisely define that edge, it doesn't exist."

Well said, Bpb.

BonusLover said so loud and clear at WOL. Zengrifter and a few others did at Blackjackinfo.com. I see Qfit said so - that would be be the developer of Casino Verite software - probably the best card counting software around.

Above, people kept saying there was two sides to this story. No there isn't. A person got scamed. That's all there is to it. And this Cipher system is a bunch of crap - expensive crap - but still crap.

Stanford.