Chopley's grand Netent adventure at Mr Green

[ChopleyIOM]

Right then, I'm going to put my money where my mouth isn't, and see what happens to a £400 bankroll at Mr Green playing exclusively new Netent slots.

I realise this is almost certainly a very bad idea, but I've had a splendid run of late, my gambling spreadsheet shows a generous profit for the last 18 months (which is when I started ruthlessly tracking data, and combines both online and pub AWP play), I figure I can afford to set fire to a bit of cash.

So this is the plan, I've never had an account at Mr Green before so I'm entitled to the SUB, and Andy works there now which is cool because he was one of the best things about Redbet, so should I actually make it to a cashout (lolz) there shouldn't be any trouble.

So it's going to be £200 in for a £200 bonus, which will be on a 35xB WR, to give me a £400 bankroll to wager £7000 with.

I will be playing only Netent slots from Elements onwards, at stakes of 50p or less.

PLACE YOUR BETS PLEASE!

Will I make WR? Will I make a profit? Will I get my money back? Will I bust out before making WR? If I do bust out how short of making WR will I be?

My prediction is that I will make WR but with a balance of less than £50 remaining.

I shall track my progress in this thread.

 

[gagamel]

I wish you the best of luck.
Maybe after this experiment you chance your mind about Netent slots.

But are you sure to play only newer Netent slots?

I love Netent but I would mix them with older ones.

 

[dunover]

Why note rub the £200 in banknotes together vigorously to soften them, and use them as bog roll. You'll have more fun.
Judging by my freeplay experiments, you'll make WR with the 400, but lose most. Like what you just said. So we're looking at Twit Spit, TFTUT, elements, smeg-o-matic, South Park and Mistimuffs, yes?
Good luck. If the tedium doesn't get you, the WR will.

I think you will lose by 1000 cuts, but there is a feeling inside me that in payback for the criticism we have heaped upon the Netbent recent rubbish, you could end up with egg on the face and make a packet. That's sod's law.

 

[miso]

Looking forward to this Chopley.

I say, you meet WR with €78 left Now being serious, those are low stakes to get too far ahead.
Maybe on Elements and South Park, but the newest might eat you alive.

Good luck, keep us posted

 

[Blathaon]

How do you plan on doing this, how many spins on each game, play until feature and then move on?, loss limit on each game?

or will you divide the 14000 spins required at 50p among all the releases after Elements?

It's a big ask with any software, WR of 7000£ and bets of 50p, thats a whopping 14000 spins. The only game i've ever been able to do something like that with is DoA. Unless ofc you plan to maybe increase your bets if you get some nice wins.


Anyway an interesting project, and i look forward to your updates

Best of luck

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well things have got off to a poor start.

1) Load my Neteller account with £200 - check.
2) Register at Mr Green - erm...... No I'm sorry, you can't have my mobile number even if it is just to send a 'validation code'. And what does it even validate anyway? I could buy a 'phone+SIM in a box' for £20 from the local petrol station if I just wanted a phone and valid UK number to register and validate a dodgy account with.

I have PM-ed Andy to see if there's any way I can register, deposit, and get playing without having a 'validation code' sent to my mobile.

Since Step 3 appears to be 'VALIDATE YOUR ACCOUNT' I'm guessing I can't fudge it and do what I usually do and just put my landline number in there instead (which conveniently diverts to voicemail).

I see Mr Green also has live chat support, I'll give them a go and see if something can be done. But I'm absolutely adamant on this point, casinos do not get my mobile phone number, end of.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

How do you plan on doing this, how many spins on each game, play until feature and then move on?, loss limit on each game?

or will you divide the 14000 spins required at 50p among all the releases after Elements?

It's a big ask with any software, WR of 7000£ and bets of 50p, thats a whopping 14000 spins. The only game i've ever been able to do something like that with is DoA. Unless ofc you plan to maybe increase your bets if you get some nice wins.


Anyway an interesting project, and i look forward to your updates

Best of luck

I made 35xB and 40xB WRs at Redbet on the older Netent slots on several occasions, whilst never raising my bets above 50p, so it's definitely possible.

I wasn't going to be overly scientific about it, just give a selection of Elements and newer slots a decent number of spins and play it by ear - it most certainly won't 'prove' anything, the bankroll isn't big enough and the sample size will be far too small, it'll just be interesting to see what the trajectory of the session is.

At the moment though I've very much fallen at the first hurdle, since Mr Green want a mobile number out of me which they're not going to get!

 

[Balthazar]

I don't think that Andy is working on Sundays so you might not get a reply today.

 

[Blathaon]

I made 35xB and 40xB WRs at Redbet on the older Netent slots on several occasions, whilst never raising my bets above 50p, so it's definitely possible.

I wasn't going to be overly scientific about it, just give a selection of Elements and newer slots a decent number of spins and play it by ear - it most certainly won't 'prove' anything, the bankroll isn't big enough and the sample size will be far too small, it'll just be interesting to see what the trajectory of the session is.

At the moment though I've very much fallen at the first hurdle, since Mr Green want a mobile number out of me which they're not going to get!

Ah yes i remember your videos, although i believe most of those were 100£ deposits with 100% bonuses?, which is only 3500£ to wager.

I agree with you in principle about not giving casinos your mobile number, most decent casinos will not call you and you can generally opt out of sms offers in the account settings.

I do get some sms offers now and then from casinos that i no longer play at, and it is annoying. And even more sneaky they don't appear to be sent from a real number, at least i can't use my phones blacklist function on them

Since Andy is the manager at MRgreen i would think that you can give your number and be fairly certain that you can get off any sms list or call list afterwards. It's definitely a bad practice and i don't really know what it's meant to prove, many people have unlisted numbers for privacy reasons, so all it really proves is that you have access to the phone number that you gave them.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Tried live chat - no dice. In all fairness they were quick to respond and very polite, but they want the mobile number.

Sorry chaps, this is officially the worst grand Chopley adventure ever!

Christian: Welcome to Mr Green how may I help you?

You: Hi there I'm trying to register an account but I'm being told I need to give you a mobile number to 'validate' the account? I don't like giving out my mobile number so would like to register without providing it please - is this possible?

You: It's a mandatory field. I do have a landline that diverts to voicemail I would be prepared to use.

Christian: I'm sorry we do require you to enter a valid mobile number for validation and password retrieval.

You: The issue I have with that is the potential for me to receive unwanted calls/texts further down the line, hence my reluctance to supply it.

Christian: We can remove you from receiving texts, if you email us your account details after you've registered. But it is required to enter a valid mobile number I'm afraid.

You: So the default behaviour would be for me to receive communications from you on that number unless I explicitly requested otherwise?

Christian: Or when creating the account you can choose to not receive emails or sms communication. Other that this you would need to email your request, and then we could remove you and add a note to your account that you don't wish to be contacted via the phone.

You: That's fine thank you for your time but I won't be going ahead and registering + depositing today. Regards

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ah yes i remember your videos, although i believe most of those were 100£ deposits with 100% bonuses?, which is only 3500£ to wager.

Nah they were all €200-250 deposits, I've just checked three of the videos and they all had an €8750 WR. I think Andy did put a 40xB WR on one of them because I was tending to beat the 35xB WRs quite consistently

I agree with you in principle about not giving casinos your mobile number, most decent casinos will not call you and you can generally opt out of sms offers in the account settings.

I do get some sms offers now and then from casinos that i no longer play at, and it is annoying. And even more sneaky they don't appear to be sent from a real number, at least i can't use my phones blacklist function on them

Since Andy is the manager at MRgreen i would think that you can give your number and be fairly certain that you can get off any sms list or call list afterwards. It's definitely a bad practice and i don't really know what it's meant to prove, many people have unlisted numbers for privacy reasons, so all it really proves is that you have access to the phone number that you gave them.

The thing is I really do see my mobile as a PRIVATE DEVICE, if I get a text or a phone call on it I know 100% for a fact it's an individual or an organisation I have explicitly given that number to and am happy for them to contact me on it. I do recall getting a marketing call on it from Virgin Credit Cards (back when I still had a Virgin card) and the by the end of the call the guy I was speaking to was under no illusions as to whether or not I ever wished to be contacted again unless it was a security issue.

It may well be that Mr Green is 100% trustworthy, and certainly I think Andy is 100% trustworthy, but casinos change hands, customer databases have a habit of going walkabout sometimes, and I don't want to end up in the position where I'm getting spammed by ANYONE on my mobile phone for ANY REASON.

I think casinos want mobile numbers for marketing purposes TBH, everything else is just smoke and mirrors, because as you say yourself it doesn't prove or validate anything.

 

[Balthazar]

I will be playing only Netent slots from Elements onwards

Well if you ever manage to register, here's the list of the games you're allowed to play

Elements
Disco Spins
Muse
Space Wars
Thief
Wild Turkey
Silent Run
Fisticuffs
South Park
Egg-O-Matic
Reel Rush
Secret of the Stones
Magic Portals
CFTBL
Big Bang
Twin Spins
Wonky Wabbits

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well if you ever manage to register, here's the list of the games you're allowed to play

Elements
Disco Spins
Muse
Space Wars
Thief
Wild Turkey
Silent Run
Fisticuffs
South Park
Egg-O-Matic
Reel Rush
Secret of the Stones
Magic Portals
CFTBL
Big Bang
Twin Spins
Wonky Wabbits

Good god almighty what have I done......

Maybe not being able to register at Mr Green is a sign from god that this is a spectacularly bad idea

I'm still determined to go through with it though, assuming I can find a way for them to take my money off me.

 

[The Viking]

Wild turkey and cftbl are the only ones i play there of that list actually did a little test on cftbl last week, span about 15000 spins for 3 days 5000 each at $1 in fun play was only 30 bux down the first day but 500 up the 2nd day,and 100 up the 3rd so perhaps a good game to grind out a WR

 

[dunover]

Well if you ever manage to register, here's the list of the games you're allowed to play

Elements
Disco Spins
Muse
Space Wars
Thief
Wild Turkey
Silent Run
Fisticuffs
South Park
Egg-O-Matic
Reel Rush
Secret of the Stones
Magic Portals
CFTBL
Big Bang
Twin Spins
Wonky Wabbits

My God, that mobile business has protected you from a dire fate. I was looking forward to this experiment, but I don't blame you. I have a £10 PAYT mobile that's always switched off unless needed as a catchment for dross like casinos. As you say it's worth zilch for 'security purposes' unless a contract one. Therefore their insistence can only be spamming/marketing purposes, despite their protestations otherwise.
Nevermind.

P.S. Try All British casino - NetBent only and only 20xbonus WR. Though I think it's a max of 100. Have quick cashouts too and a rep.

 

[Balthazar]

Now that I think about it, it's not that bad of an idea TBH. It's true that you can't win big but that doesn't mean that you can't get close to your starting point after a 35x WR. The way that Chopley makes his money (grinding a bonus) is probably the only way to "win" with these slots. What's left of the bonus after the WR is his "win".

It's the people like me that are f*cked (ex: usually a no bonus deposit of $50, low rolling and withdraw @ $300+). I need high variance slots that can pay big to do that while Chop only needs medium to low variance and a high RTP.

This experiment could very well be a success even with the shit slots.

 

[onkel]

Maybe give leovegas a go instead? They have a 200% bonus with the same WR, so it'd save you £67 You can also withdraw if you hit something huge before going into bonus funds

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Now that I think about it, I don't think that it's that bad of an idea TBH. It's true that you can't win big but that doesn't mean that you can't get close to your starting point after a 35x WR. The way that Chopley makes his money (grinding a bonus) is probably the only way to "win" with these slots. What's left of the bonus after the WR is his "win".

It's the people like me that are f*cked (ex: usually a no bonus deposit of $50, low rolling and withdraw @ $300+). I need high variance slots that can pay big to do that while Chop only needs a high RTP.

Yeah this is kind of what I was thinking TBH Balth

None of us are suggesting that Netent slots don't make RTP and/or aren't random, and the truth of the matter is that their RTPs are on the decent side, 96-97% is the standard.

If you go in with the mindset of 'making a deposit, hitting some big wins and making a run for it with the cash' then they're not good slots at all, but with a decent bonus onboard, a sensible WR (which 35xB is on 96% low variance slots), and relatively small spins - they start to look more appealing.

I still stand by everything I've said about Netent of late, that they've managed to create 'HV risk' slots with 'LV/MV pay potential', but I was curious to see how that would translate into an extended real-play session with a WR to meet.

Hopefully I'll get the chance to have a try at some point Mr Green was my casino of choice because Andy's there and the SUB is pretty large and with a sane WR, up to £250 although I was going to go with £200.

I've still got £200 sat in my Neteller account now doing absolutely fuck all.......

 

[Balthazar]

Yeah this is kind of what I was thinking TBH Balth

None of us are suggesting that Netent slots don't make RTP and/or aren't random, and the truth of the matter is that their RTPs are on the decent side, 96-97% is the standard.

If you go in with the mindset of 'making a deposit, hitting some big wins and making a run for it with the cash' then they're not good slots at all, but with a decent bonus onboard, a sensible WR (which 35xB is on 96% low variance slots), and relatively small spins - they start to look more appealing.

I still stand by everything I've said about Netent of late, that they've managed to create 'HV risk' slots with 'LV/MV pay potential', but I was curious to see how that would translate into an extended real-play session with a WR to meet.

Hopefully I'll get the chance to have a try at some point Mr Green was my casino of choice because Andy's there and the SUB is pretty large and with a sane WR, up to £250 although I was going to go with £200.

I've still got £200 sat in my Neteller account now doing absolutely fuck all.......

I'm genuinely curious to see the result now. I think you'll make it unless you stick too long with CFTBL.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Maybe give leovegas a go instead? They have a 200% bonus with the same WR, so it'd save you £67 You can also withdraw if you hit something huge before going into bonus funds

Hmmm interesting, a £50 deposit gets me a 200% bonus of £100 for a £150 bankroll.

Then my second deposit of £150 gets me a 100% bonus of £150 for a £300 bankroll.

So that's £450 of playable funds versus £400 at Mr Green, from £200 of deposits, with the same overall WR.

Hopefully I can do pounds there rather than euros as I'll get whacked on conversion fees.

I see there are a few positive reports about them here at CM but they're not accredited and/or don't appear to be trying to be so?

 

[Balthazar]

I see there are a few positive reports about them here at CM but they're not accredited and/or don't appear to be trying to be so?

Don't know about accredited status but many experienced members are talking about it here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/leovegas-experiences.60417/


Overall it seems overly positive.

 

[Blathaon]

Hmmm interesting, a £50 deposit gets me a 200% bonus of £100 for a £150 bankroll.

Then my second deposit of £150 gets me a 100% bonus of £150 for a £300 bankroll.

So that's £450 of playable funds versus £400 at Mr Green, from £200 of deposits, with the same overall WR.

Hopefully I can do pounds there rather than euros as I'll get whacked on conversion fees.

I see there are a few positive reports about them here at CM but they're not accredited and/or don't appear to be trying to be so?

One thing to note about Leovegas, it's kinda similar to Betatcasino. you can withdraw at any time as long as you haven't dipped into the bonus money, but no wagers contribute to the WR before dipping into the bonus money.

It's more of a second chance if you bust out kind of deal, so not really a viable option for your experiment, since you can't grind out the WR from the beginning.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well let's get this thing started Site seems good, few decent reports here at CM, registering did ask for a mobile but I gave it my landline, (no 'validation' required), and I'm now able to play.

So that's £50 into LeoVegas on a 200% match, so a £150 bankroll with a £3500 WR for this first depost, but I am prepared to take it to the second 100% matched deposit of £150 which will be a further £300 bankroll - which is a total of £450 to smack away with.

Let's see what happens.... I shall commence with Reel Rush 'cause I dig the graphics and sound, on 50p spins..... Modest stop triggers of 20x stake (£10) or the free spins round.

 

[Balthazar]

no wagers contribute to the WR before dipping into the bonus money.

Damn, that's not good at all for what he's trying to do.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

One thing to note about Leovegas, it's kinda similar to Betatcasino. you can withdraw at any time as long as you haven't dipped into the bonus money, but no wagers contribute to the WR before dipping into the bonus money.

It's more of a second chance if you bust out kind of deal, so not really a viable option for your experiment, since you can't grind out the WR from the beginning.

Oh for god's sake.... Missed this bit....

Thanks for the heads-up Blathaon but unfortunately I'm already deposited and underway..... Grrrr!