Bloatgoat vs slots

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So over the last week, including today, i think my total deposit since the last above *big* win was around 1500. Finally i managed to get it up to 5000 euro, on which from that point on, everything went into a complete pile of shit. I no longer believe in this randomness, i more believe from this point on that i'm paying for my own entertainment. A hefty price for what is supposed to be fun. Did anyone really really get ahead in their carreer considering being a professional gambler? Apart from the table games and poker games, i'm talking slots here.

Another note is that the RTP and difficulty on high bets is extremely 'difficult' and being mid-bets has a better favor. Lower bets wont get you near depending on which type of game you play because payout is always ridiculously by some sort of checkerboard. It wont gain you a huge win unless you play a progressive game like lil devil, dead or alive or whatever.

I think i'm done with this. Seriously. It will take a while for it to get over and the urge to play become alot less. But fuck slots. Fuck online casino's. If you genuine believe your "winning" it's a pyramid game where one's loss is the win of another. And the casino have their slots so tight up to this point that it makes no sense to even defend landbased vs online anymore. RTP's are dropping, and they are messing with volatility, bonus frequency, all that shit. I know because i WAS a frequent player of a dozen of games that simply dont play as they used to anymore.

I can smack myself in the head day in day out over previous year taking 65k. I should have left by then, because i KNEW i wont be pulling off another thing like that. My soul feels like ripped apart, challenging or competing on something that is just good as impossible. I'm wasting my time on playing games that are designed to lure you in more and more, and being surrounded in a pit of several shit in relation of casino tricks.

Providers dont set stuff up. Casino's license games. And by their means and standards they can select limited payout, bets, volatility and whatever the fuck more to make you glaze at 96% while in reality it's far worse. Trust me i've done alot of different approaches over the above course. And one thing i do know is that my winnings are pretty much based on my deposit behaviour. You peak at some point and you thumble down. How random is that, when going from 5k on an avg of 1, 2, 4, 5, 10, 15 and frigging 20 a spin in a complete losing streak on several different games. No sir, it's not random. It's the casino blocking my bets obviously.

I've had it with this shit. Please thrash my account. Anyone who can relate in the above please take my advice, get out. If it's a kick or entertainment you seek; there' s a zillion other ways then by playing on a casino. Their only interest is your money, and they will go within the legal lines to get it from you. Fucking robbers is what they are.

Landbased was so much better! Really! i know you dont believe me. But try a perhaps more frequent base or visit, and know the slot your playing! I bet for a 100 euro here that the fun including the potential you can get is far better then these online robbing places that are designed to lure you in. They are mouse-traps first class. And i hope the majority fucking dies off the internet. Simple as that.

I'm out.
I can also relate to your current misery.

Had quite an awesome run at most casino's between September last year and January this year where at so many casino's and so many providers getting big wins on $10 and $20 bets felt so easy and sure there there were some sessions where you would get carried away and lose 3 - 5k between a few casinos but then another miracle would happen and turn it back into another positive month. Had countless 5k withdrawals, a bunch of 10k ones and even a few of 15 and 20k.

Then February was a disaster, put about 20k back in and cant remember if I got a cash out from anywhere and if I did it would have been lucky to be 1 - 2k. March and April more or less followed the same pattern of losing heavily. May was a bit more kind and even gave me a session with a peak balance of 27k but as gamblers do due to the heavy losses of the previous few months got carried away and only ended up withdrawing a bit under 10k. June also provided me with a similar win where I managed to get a $350 deposit at a peak of 18k but foolishly also didn't take it putting it all back in chasing a dream hit to get me back on top.

Since not taking that 18k peak in June every single casino has been a complete misery, impossible to get balance over 5k (most of the time impossible to even get it to 1 or 2 anymore) like its a hard cap on my player profile somewhere and just losing session after losing session. Have easily put my good win streak of late last year back in plus more and cold is not the word to the point where I made my last deposit over the weekend and have officially told myself not another single deposit anywhere until at least Jan 1st. I am fairly confident that due to the big deposits/bet's I do taking a few months off will all of the sudden magically make games start paying again in order to get me depositing all the time again.

I have just seen too many patterns and have a fairly high confidence that there is some sort of API between the casino account management interface and the providers that has some sort of influence into the RNG seed you get sent into when entering a game. If things were truly random it would be exactly that and not insane win spree followed by insane lose spree to put it all back in plus more.

The only time I can get a decent lengthy session is when i'm betting much lower than I usually do (10c - $1 bets) then all of the sudden all games seem to spring to life again and feel like they are playing normal again but $5 - $20 bets and can say RIP to balance in under 10 min on 99% of deposits.

Perhaps it is just the providers that have shifted the RTP more heavily in favor to the low rollers while only allowing streamers to get any decent RTP in the higher bet range.
 

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I dunno why I keep replying to these threads...

I am fairly confident that due to the big deposits/bet's I do taking a few months off will all of the sudden magically make games start paying again in order to get me depositing all the time again.

I am fairly certain of this also, but not because the shadow masters behind the scenes decided that they'll stop messing with your specific gameplay after some rudimentary time period but rather by that stage you will have stopped expecting to win constantly and will have stopped trying to chase losses.
 

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It's bin exactly, one week without a deposit or slots. I'll tell you. I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER. God i have time on my hands now again. And more important, i'm not burning on avg 1500 a week onto casino's!

I told my GF about my story, not too complicated tho, but she backs me, and we're moving forward from this shit pile of online gambling. In the last weekend, i made more then 2500 euro for just being productive.

I'm motivated as F to do other and better things with my money from this point on. I've let go all the theory's in my mind; people can shove 'm up their rear really with their random taking of your money yes.

I'm not really busy with this anymore, and i'm glad either that i can put my mind on different things now without being chained to getting losses back.

I have just seen too many patterns and have a fairly high confidence that there is some sort of API between the casino account management interface and the providers that has some sort of influence into the RNG seed you get sent into when entering a game. If things were truly random it would be exactly that and not insane win spree followed by insane lose spree to put it all back in plus more.

My best peace of advise for you is: seek something different. Play less slots or even better consider leaving online slots for what it is. It's designed to lure you in, tilt you, make you deposit more, cushioning you that losing is the new winning, because well maybe upon your next deposit you'll hit it big etc.

I've bin there too many times really; on 8 out of 10 times when the first deposit did'nt do jack shit, it was always the second deposit that gave me wins, but, no higher then 50 euro on the total of my 2 deposits. From that point on it was 8 out of 10 times a downward spiral. There's only a few moments that you can surpass that and it's actually quite non-random. It just depends on your deposit behaviour if you've won a ticket or not.

Taking bonus money? I wrote it here quite a few times, but as long as your within the wagering requiement of the bonus your having, games seem to favor you all over the place. Once your out of that wagering thing, shit thumbles down. Your paying to see slots alive as it's being presented these days as entertainment, the edge of real gambling is taken out of it.

I got a really well future ahead of me! And it would be stupid to waste my time on gambling with these intense sessions i used to had over the last few months. Dont be stupid! Simply move on if you cant get your kick out of it anymore. All you see is pretty much designed for you to lose (faster).

Btw, i kept word! Closed accounts; it's a depressive feeling knowing what i could have win in the following weeks, but they can stick it up their asses! The only true winner is me and being succesfull in what i do is a testimonial that i dont need slots to make money and live a happy life!
 

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When gambling is coming obvious problem, quitting is only good choice :thumbsup: If you really think about money "you could have win in the following weeks" it really sounds it's better to not to play, happy for your decision and no productivity what took place from slotting.

Slots are making money but not for players, that's hopefully something what all over 18 years old understand, if you wanna make money, stay fcking far away from slots, if you wanna spend your money for nothing, play them.
 

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I don’t know what to say or think. Human brain is such a mess. If such theories were true, it would be exactly like they weren’t. If the conspiracy was ten times worst than what everyone imagined, it would change absolutely nothing. Game providers could litteraly welcome you in their most popular slot when you open up their game with direct insults towards the player, his values, his family and ancestors and the average daily wagering amounts from this specific game would actualy stay the same or increase. We are talking about casinos that are very comfortable doing things the average buisness owners would never think of and this is for the well rated fews. How incredible is it really? To treat customers like that and increasing the level of bs every year. Year after year after year. Bloatgoat, my friend, you should obviously never gamble one cent ever again. The level of absurdity of your insane theories is crazy. But the fact that you keep going like that to prove yourself something impossible, come on. Slots are not random. Its predetermined results given to players randomly. You play, you lose. How unfortunate is it that even when you do the same thing 80 000 times and you see a 52% result, you have to convince yourself that it’s still possible that after 1 000 000 000 other times, things will return to normal and the comforting 96% will prove them right. Would it be possible that some very mean persons would back that bs and tell us that the rtp in help files is always true but it isn’t? People need food to live. And some of them need you to believe your theory is false and to keep trying to prove you wrong. Yeah you. Even you play slots on your % cut of the other gamblers.

Sorry. But thats the worst fkn thread I have ever read here in many years. How dumb are we really.
 

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Good to see some truth in one of these threads finally.

Maybe world would be better place with only old one liner slots with very limited winning combinations etc... Now with these millions of features and functions, people start to make bit too complicated theories around them.

It's still pretty same logic than it's always been, you win or lose, your chance for win is smaller than for losing. Just loads of eye candy and different features to make it more tempting which understandably can make players to go deep in their thinking of behaviors, patterns and what so ever in slots.

End of the day, it's still same PRNG what gives you result for your gameround, with these high volatilities 0 and "winnings" under bet size are more common than past but overall these games keep that 10-4% from wagered money. No more magic needed there.
 
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I dunno why I keep replying to these threads...
Wow I missed that one. Jesus...


I am fairly certain of this also, but not because the shadow masters behind the scenes decided that they'll stop messing with your specific gameplay after some rudimentary time period but rather by that stage you will have stopped expecting to win constantly and will have stopped trying to chase losses.
 

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@hhhelllo I never played with such paranoid, looking behind my screen theory if there was a hidden rheel going on. You got me wrong there. I played to win. But i coud'nt help it having the feeling for a long time that the randomness is'nt as we are thought to believe. I dont have to repeat myself again to know what was going on kind of way; it's just that i dont bother to spend time on this subject anymore.

I have'nt played for 20 days now and i dont have the urge no more. I was fighting a uphill battle i coud'nt win (kind of) and i knew that my time, efforts and money was spend better elsewhere. And i'm doing it with alot of succes as we speak. With the rate i was going before i stopped playing, i kind of saved myself at least 4500 euro, less tress and far more energy for other things.

Now thats what quitting gambling can do to a human being. And i really advise anyone else being at that point todo the same. The RTP is'nt going to miraculously change. My casino in particular capped higher wins which was obvious when i attempted up to 3 times. I no longer have to chase that dragon and i'm very happy with it.

So have your slots, watch your favorite (gay) streamers on which intention is only to lure you in, they wont be getting any of my hard earned money anymore. I never had to sign myself up to gamstop or any of that, because i know i'm a strong human being and i can resist this with the snap of my finger just like that. I hope with my message someone else might pick it up along and consider making a change for himself.

I'm getting the same high's when playing a regular game. I'm getting the same satisfaction when exercising a hobby, i'm getting the same thrills when i'm kickboxing against a well trained opponent, that i btw recently start doing again. So salut and stick gambling up your ass. ! :)
 
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I'm honestly glad you've stopped gambling, and I do hope it sticks.
But you sound absolutely manic and delusional.
Good luck.
 

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Thank you for the compliment. Looking at your post history and your gambling issues and / or meltdown i'm sure your doing fine too. Your such a strong human being on these forums. I might as well take advice from you from now on in order to get myself together without having any downfalls.

:lolup:

At least i can say ive bin there, tasted it, and moving on in a much more faster way from this deep shit that's all designed to grab you from your money. Sucker.
 

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Not sure how you found a compliment in there, just sympathy- because as you've so kindly pointed out i do indeed have some idea what you're going through, I just don't have time for the mental gymnastics trying to rationalise it that you do.
 

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Slot variance will be a mystery to the end of time lol At times I have sessions playing at 30p or 50p stakes that rinse £100 without any win over 10x the bet. Which I hate as I don't mind losing the £100 but would like a couple of hours of fun out of it.

Occasionally I turn the £100 into £200, rarer still £500 when slot after slot throw constant features your way all good paying ones.

When I do basic maths on my 3 hour session, at 96% RTPs I should expect to lose about £15 an hour playing 40p spins assuming 15 spins a minute (Obv allowing for features which can take a few minutes)

To be fair over the last 4 months, when I have kept details logs on session length and profit an loss, I am bang on that figure, scarily so. I am £2080 down, after 142 hours of slotting, where I should be £2130 down on my basic calculation.

Even faced with that info, I still feel slots are not random sometimes, I need help.
 

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When I do basic maths on my 3 hour session, at 96% RTPs I should expect to lose about £15 an hour playing 40p spins assuming 15 spins a minute (Obv allowing for features which can take a few minutes)

Your calculations only work if the slot was paying you 96% on every single spin which would be incredibly boring and no-one would ever play.

You are going to usually have much shorter sessions because of the variance, but will occasionally get a much longer session.
 

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What if, over time, no matter your strategy, all your wins are nothing more then 96% of what you depositted in the first place, and that the casino can throw you in a win once in a while, that would make you ahead (for that time) but for them a simple investment to get you playing longer, thus maximizing their revenue?

When i watched the bandit, ayezee, rocknrollar, they all had these simularities where their withdrawls vs deposits where as almost equal minus or plus a little bit overall. It makes me think that slotting is pretty much a 'dead end' in relation of playing to getting ahead and the only time you can get ahead is actually stop while your ahead.

Logically, above system would still be legal as the braking appearing (obviously) on certain live games such as crazy time, lightning roulette or landbased such as automatic (machine based) roulette. As long as you have an avg of 96% or whatever the F as a return to player basis, it's legal.

As i said, and @trancemonkey did'nt believe it when i wrote this here before, but more and more casino's are moving from provider based return to players to return to player based on the casino deposits. Come again? Basicly deposits ONTO the casino being randomly distributed with a percentage of 96%. The advantage? The casino could technically not lose more then what's being put in.

It's why you see some of these casino's with game offerings other then what the normal established brands have. They are obviously small players but there is a growing number of online casino's out there that uses a system like that. There are more country's then the UK that have a different approach to gambling, laws and playing rules. So a system like this is'nt unreal or does'nt belong to rogue casino's alone.

My understanding from when i was playing slots for the last months, when the first deposit failed in relation of winning something in the first place, the second was guaranteed to at least set me straight both my deposits plus just a little bit extra. And quite a few times in a row i would guaranteed lose that and there where just a few occasions where i would actually get ahead of my first 2 deposits.

If i constantly encounter playing behaviour like that, i'm being touted here as "delusional" or "manic" lol. When i previous year won 65k, or actually 70k, i kept repeating one thing over and over again till i reached to that point. I saw that after i loss 7 gambles in a row of 500 euro buy the 8th time would grand me the 24 spins and set me ahead of the 7 losses. If you dont believe me, i really dont care, but i showed close related ones this 'pattern' which in my understanding is a simple exploit that worked back then.

Ya'll dont believe it, or perhaps a few, but you can bet that the casino even tho they paid me out, went in detail into my playing records, and make sure that that was impossible to reproduce to this very day. I mean before i closed my account(s), i tried up to 4 times with a budget of more then 5k on each session, to reproduce the above. Impossible. I had better luck on 250 up to 400 euro a buy then going max bet craziness as i experienced that there was a obvious "limiter" on my gameplay.

The answer from the casino a long time ago was "to protect their players" > well to me it was just financial liability because they did run games that offer up to 2k a hand on for example, automatic blackjack, roulette or whatsoever. The profit on those games was obviously in their favor because it where in house games and not licensed games.

I'm not stupid man. And i'm pretty much on spot for what i see or saw in this case, and how i attempted to break it. I failed. I lost money for it, but i came out with a very important lesson. To move the fuck on! Because there is no other end in this gambling online then lose faster then you can take a shit these days. I'm telling you life is much more valuable then playing slots, unless your a degenerate who did'nt understand much about life and it's goals either.
 

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As i said, and @trancemonkey did'nt believe it when i wrote this here before, but more and more casino's are moving from provider based return to players to return to player based on the casino deposits. Come again? Basicly deposits ONTO the casino being randomly distributed with a percentage of 96%. The advantage? The casino could technically not lose more then what's being put in.

This statement - prove it. You can't. Why? Because it is doesnt happen on any reputable casino. Also, as every game has a slightly different RTP, how the hell would you account for this. Seriously, you constantly ridiculous theories make no sense. You just say the same boring things over and over...

Please post your proof of this claim here, or politely stop posting bullshit claims
 

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It's why you see some of these casino's with game offerings other then what the normal established brands have. They are obviously small players but there is a growing number of online casino's out there that uses a system like that. There are more country's then the UK that have a different approach to gambling, laws and playing rules. So a system like this is'nt unreal or does'nt belong to rogue casino's alone.

Since your more into that industry that i am i suggest putting the question out to a few of your contacts. I'm sure someone can give you a heads up on that subject.
 

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Since he's more into the industry than you are, you want him to reach out to his contacts to confirm a theory of your that only exist in your head?

How about this as an alternative, try to get some actual insight on how slots work, the regulations companies operate within and the actual fact that rtp is provider built, not casino.

Sure seems to beat your current strategy of coming up with more and more whacked theories with no root in reality.
 

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Since your more into that industry that i am i suggest putting the question out to a few of your contacts. I'm sure someone can give you a heads up on that subject.
That's the most hilarious answer you could if give.

Let me rephrase your answer so it says what it really means:

"Hi my name is Bloatgoat. I have zero proof that anything is rigged as I claim, but I don't need to provide any. It is up to you, trancemonkey, to prove it is not rigged. I can make any baseless claim I want and yet I have no burden of proof whatsoever."
 

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Yep, and i suggested before to contact the casino (anyone, feel free) with it's details on this forum that i posted before. I'm not going to dive in this matter or subject again, really apart from proving my e-peen here there's nothing to show in that matter. I know that casino's do exist that operate like that. You can take one quote of me completely out of context as i wrote legal smaller casino's, not major brands in particular. It's not uncommon.

But hey have it, i'm glad i'm not part of this sobbing, sad little community anymore really and i'm glad i did the right thing! :)
 
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