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[maxd says: this stuff was culled from the "Ask Me Anything" thread.]

Good for you. Now you know what losing is like and getting sacked by a game.

Ok i'm just going to put a rant here, and it's just my own personal experience, dont mean it has anything todo with the rest of the casino's in the industry, but here we go.

For the last 2 to 3 months, i've on purpose, have'nt bin withdrawing big wins. My goal was to chase a big big big phat jackpot while going high limit. The first attempt gained me a net balance of 5k on which i worked it out pretty fast. At some point you "tip" and it thumbles down. It dont matter which strategy you do, it seems like suddenly all slots became cold. That is till the point where you lose, re-deposit, and things seem to have it's "normal" pattern again.

2nd time: i tip at 4k while hitting big. I continue on. I cant get it past 6k or so and this thumbles down again. Weeks pass by, on avg a 100 deposit times x 5 a week, pretty steady going. Today, i finally tip at 7800, with the same routine, thumbling down again, completely. No matter what game i do, attempt, betsize or strategy. The thing just fucking hates me like crazy and it's eager to throw in more tilting games or sessions then ever. I've never seen Extra Chilli go bonkers on a 15 x loss in a row on the wheel while doing various bets, i.e 40 up to 500. And ive repeated the 500 euro buy like 10 times even today.

Again, tumbled down. My best guess for next time is, it takes a few deposits, but then slots vagina go all the way open again. No matter what game i play. Till the point you tip, and tumble down again. Now tell me, is this repeating behaviour, on the casino i play, a really "random event" ?

I gotta say tho; the RTP is defenitly in effect, esp when i went onto the 500 euro buying games. Even tho i had a 32 spins on 10 euro bet a session, it still paid relatively "low" and you could tell it was defenitly being capped.

Maybe i should just quit attempting to figure out a already near perfect wagering system. It's a fucking scam.
 
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Good for you. Now you know what losing is like and getting sacked by a game.

Ok i'm just going to put a rant here, and it's just my own personal experience, dont mean it has anything todo with the rest of the casino's in the industry, but here we go.

For the last 2 to 3 months, i've on purpose, have'nt bin withdrawing big wins. My goal was to chase a big big big phat jackpot while going high limit. The first attempt gained me a net balance of 5k on which i worked it out pretty fast. At some point you "tip" and it thumbles down. It dont matter which strategy you do, it seems like suddenly all slots became cold. That is till the point where you lose, re-deposit, and things seem to have it's "normal" pattern again.

2nd time: i tip at 4k while hitting big. I continue on. I cant get it past 6k or so and this thumbles down again. Weeks pass by, on avg a 100 deposit times x 5 a week, pretty steady going. Today, i finally tip at 7800, with the same routine, thumbling down again, completely. No matter what game i do, attempt, betsize or strategy. The thing just fucking hates me like crazy and it's eager to throw in more tilting games or sessions then ever. I've never seen Extra Chilli go bonkers on a 15 x loss in a row on the wheel while doing various bets, i.e 40 up to 500. And ive repeated the 500 euro buy like 10 times even today.

Again, tumbled down. My best guess for next time is, it takes a few deposits, but then slots vagina go all the way open again. No matter what game i play. Till the point you tip, and tumble down again. Now tell me, is this repeating behaviour, on the casino i play, a really "random event" ?

I gotta say tho; the RTP is defenitly in effect, esp when i went onto the 500 euro buying games. Even tho i had a 32 spins on 10 euro bet a session, it still paid relatively "low" and you could tell it was defenitly being capped.

Maybe i should just quit attempting to figure out a already near perfect wagering system. It's a fucking scam.

There is no such thing as a wagering system...
 

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There is no such thing as a wagering system...

No, but there's defenitly something going on in the background that pretty much blocks my actions. Here's the fun part tho: when i would hit withdrawl (any amount of the above) it would be dead for weeks untill i 'wagered' a certain amount with real money obviously.

It's ok tho. I had this experience for a longer while, ive bin saying it on a forum here, other users where having the same thing, as a experiment i wanted to see where it would lead to. At the end of the day it's like the casino hands you out a bunch of wins, and that's it. Games dont play anymore as they used to either.

Next time i'll simply hit withdrawl when for my feeling, i hit the peak.
 

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No, but there's defenitly something going on in the background that pretty much blocks my actions. Here's the fun part tho: when i would hit withdrawl (any amount of the above) it would be dead for weeks untill i 'wagered' a certain amount with real money obviously.

It's ok tho. I had this experience for a longer while, ive bin saying it on a forum here, other users where having the same thing, as a experiment i wanted to see where it would lead to. At the end of the day it's like the casino hands you out a bunch of wins, and that's it. Games dont play anymore as they used to either.

Next time i'll simply hit withdrawl when for my feeling, i hit the peak.

With all insight you have collected about slots and casinos, wonder who you still are not able to rip them off with variety of strategies developed? If you can't and are 100% sure there is huge conspiracy against you, just have to wonder little bit that how much money you are willing to spend to keep proofing it to yourself and repeating it here? Would imagine some better ways to spend money.

And tracking gameplay of course is not an option? Fact might ruing good theories or why you wouldn't like to show it all the world how all casinos and developers been networking to work together in one centralized system to make sure players lose (in games which all state they return less than take)?
 

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I'm not trying to debunk casino's in the way you think, i just found something interesting, that i was willing to give it a go for a while. It's funny that i limit at a certain point, and chrash. When i do a few deposits in weeks it's back but then a little bit higher. I chrash again and a few weeks pass by, this limit is just a bit bigger now.

I've had the same with i think 2 other casino's as well. It woud'nt let you pass a certain threshold, wagers you around for quite a while, and then tumbles you down. It's either security or the thing just hates me. It might be that; the way RTP is presented to us is just not the way we are supposed to believe.

I think alot of it matters if your hitting big or not is simply declared by the volume of the casino. If you have alot of depositting players, the chances of overcoming or winning good is certainly there. If you play at a casino with less frequent players, the chances might be smaller. Consider it as a security layer that a flow of deposits must be guaranteed.

Ah well. As i said next time i'll just take my money. It's easyer and less stressy.
 

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I'm not trying to debunk casino's in the way you think, i just found something interesting, that i was willing to give it a go for a while. It's funny that i limit at a certain point, and chrash. When i do a few deposits in weeks it's back but then a little bit higher. I chrash again and a few weeks pass by, this limit is just a bit bigger now.

I've had the same with i think 2 other casino's as well. It woud'nt let you pass a certain threshold, wagers you around for quite a while, and then tumbles you down. It's either security or the thing just hates me. It might be that; the way RTP is presented to us is just not the way we are supposed to believe.

I think alot of it matters if your hitting big or not is simply declared by the volume of the casino. If you have alot of depositting players, the chances of overcoming or winning good is certainly there. If you play at a casino with less frequent players, the chances might be smaller. Consider it as a security layer that a flow of deposits must be guaranteed.

Ah well. As i said next time i'll just take my money. It's easyer and less stressy.
The reason for all this is simple - no casino slot is made to continually pay wins, its impossible because of the maths and the RTP. No matter how much you win, or how many times you win, eventually you will start to lose.
RTP will always win in the end.
 

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The reason for all this is simple - no casino slot is made to continually pay wins, its impossible because of the maths and the RTP. No matter how much you win, or how many times you win, eventually you will start to lose.
RTP will always win in the end.

Sure,

We are told to believe that every spin and slot should be a random event. Declare how i managed to lose 5k on avg while maintaining "regular" spins and changing slots or games in that matter. Note this is like the 3rd time it happend to me in a row, lol.

It went too easy for me as well, clicking my way up from 100 to 7800. Unreal actually. But i guess that's just how the cookie crumbles.
 

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These would be much more interesting if backed with some facts, like your gameplay histories. Casinos do offer it for you if request and there also are several tools to track it online.

Now these posts are just same story, different week how you feel being middle of conspiracy theory. Nothing wrong in these, internet is full of people with weird stories, ones who bother to make even minimal effect to provide some facts top of stories, are bit more interesting. These just are like reading one new 9/11 conspiracy every week (some of them can be interesting but repeating same just get bit boring).

You would need very minimal effect to show this to all readers with numbers but for some reason that's never an option.

edit: Also own thread for "slots are rigged" or something would be nice for these instead to making this one full of these same stories which have very little to do with threads topic.
 
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Of course every provider in the industry share data together to limit bloaties rtp and winning strategies.

Surely you must understand that providers do not work together in some global conspiracy to manipulate/compensate your rtp?
 

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guys; differences of opinions are fine but there's already loads of threads where you can discuss the randomness of slots; please keep this to the AMA or they get too bogged down and every answer lost in the shuffle

thank you

(in other words it's the 'Ask Me Anything' 'not the 'Retort Me Eveything'
 

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Can you close this thread? ...

On what grounds? As you know we're not in the habit of closing threads for no particular reason.
We can re-title it though if that's what's bothering you, no problem. Feel free to suggest an alternate title if that's the case.
 
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So over the last week, including today, i think my total deposit since the last above *big* win was around 1500. Finally i managed to get it up to 5000 euro, on which from that point on, everything went into a complete pile of shit. I no longer believe in this randomness, i more believe from this point on that i'm paying for my own entertainment. A hefty price for what is supposed to be fun. Did anyone really really get ahead in their carreer considering being a professional gambler? Apart from the table games and poker games, i'm talking slots here.

Another note is that the RTP and difficulty on high bets is extremely 'difficult' and being mid-bets has a better favor. Lower bets wont get you near depending on which type of game you play because payout is always ridiculously by some sort of checkerboard. It wont gain you a huge win unless you play a progressive game like lil devil, dead or alive or whatever.

I think i'm done with this. Seriously. It will take a while for it to get over and the urge to play become alot less. But fuck slots. Fuck online casino's. If you genuine believe your "winning" it's a pyramid game where one's loss is the win of another. And the casino have their slots so tight up to this point that it makes no sense to even defend landbased vs online anymore. RTP's are dropping, and they are messing with volatility, bonus frequency, all that shit. I know because i WAS a frequent player of a dozen of games that simply dont play as they used to anymore.

I can smack myself in the head day in day out over previous year taking 65k. I should have left by then, because i KNEW i wont be pulling off another thing like that. My soul feels like ripped apart, challenging or competing on something that is just good as impossible. I'm wasting my time on playing games that are designed to lure you in more and more, and being surrounded in a pit of several shit in relation of casino tricks.

Providers dont set stuff up. Casino's license games. And by their means and standards they can select limited payout, bets, volatility and whatever the fuck more to make you glaze at 96% while in reality it's far worse. Trust me i've done alot of different approaches over the above course. And one thing i do know is that my winnings are pretty much based on my deposit behaviour. You peak at some point and you thumble down. How random is that, when going from 5k on an avg of 1, 2, 4, 5, 10, 15 and frigging 20 a spin in a complete losing streak on several different games. No sir, it's not random. It's the casino blocking my bets obviously.

I've had it with this shit. Please thrash my account. Anyone who can relate in the above please take my advice, get out. If it's a kick or entertainment you seek; there' s a zillion other ways then by playing on a casino. Their only interest is your money, and they will go within the legal lines to get it from you. Fucking robbers is what they are.

Landbased was so much better! Really! i know you dont believe me. But try a perhaps more frequent base or visit, and know the slot your playing! I bet for a 100 euro here that the fun including the potential you can get is far better then these online robbing places that are designed to lure you in. They are mouse-traps first class. And i hope the majority fucking dies off the internet. Simple as that.

I'm out.
 

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I no longer believe in this randomness...
just now, huh :rolleyes:

and FTR, anyone who attempted to ' really really get ahead in their carreer considering being a professional gambler? Apart from the table games and poker games, i'm talking slots here. '


..never actually spent any concerted effort reading the boards, but rather, filling them
 

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I play 20c bets most of the time, for entertainment. I've had huge wins related to the stake but also lost it all back and then some.

There is no such thing as a professional career playing slots. When you're going to bet €20 a pop you might get lucky but it's either going to cost you alot in advance or you'll give it back. If you were only in it for the profit you should've indeed taken the 65k and ran. Hindsight 20/20 and all that.
 

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There is no such thing as a professional career playing slots.
I've posted before so hardly any sort of secret; I've managed more than less, to pay my bills playing slots.
Being patient, playing smart, checking games, reading reviews.

But being SMART about game choices, bet sizes, volalitity, balance and bankroll management doesnt make me a career nor professinoal player..merely, a BETTER player.

Ive no control, whatsoever, over randomness and luck.

House WILL always, forever and a day, have edge...and ultimately, clean me and anyone out, if you dont walk away when (imaginary) Lady Luck smiles :) I can, at best, hope to make my lessened edge a little less rough :p

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But good gods, these boards are filled with..to the bloody BRIM of understandings, if one makes any effort to but look
 

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I've posted before so hardly any sort of secret; I've managed more than less, to pay my bills playing slots.
Being patient, playing smart, checking games, reading reviews.

But being SMART about game choices, bet sizes, volalitity, balance and bankroll management doesnt make me a career nor professinoal player..merely, a BETTER player.

Ive no control, whatsoever, over randomness and luck.

House WILL always, forever and a day, have edge...and ultimately, clean me and anyone out, if you dont walk away when (imaginary) Lady Luck smiles :) I can, at best, hope to make my lessened edge a little less rough :p

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But good gods, these boards are filled with..to the bloody BRIM of understandings, if one makes any effort to but look

Sure, I've been able to buy some stuff from my winnings (even on 20c!) which I otherwise had to save another month or 2 for.

I have strict weekly limits in place which keep me in check because I did go near the out-of-hand-limit last year and don't want to go through that again.

I used to have a pretty costly hobby before: remote control cars. The money I sunk into those compared to what I'm actually losing on slots is quite the difference. But I could afford it and it was fun. Sadly I wasn't able to go out and drive them that much anymore, I didn't have to sell them (you barely get 25% of the value back anyway) but I did because it would be a waste if they'd just sit there on a shelf instead of being driven by another enthusiast.
 

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The best way on how to play slots, I found for my self is to stop playing any slots (for a couple of weeks at least) after winning something big. I don't know how it is with others, but for me after the big win follow big loses. So, to avoid this happening I stop playing and then come back and try my luck again.
Also, I try to avoid playing at casinos where my new gaming session (on my favourite game) starts from the same point that I have left. Superstition? Maybe! :D But if possible, I prefer to start a fresh game from the scratch.
 

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stop playing any slots (for a couple of weeks at least) after winning something big. I don't know how it is with others, but for me after the big win follow big loses. So, to avoid this happening I stop playing and then come back and try my luck again.
Also, I try to avoid playing at casinos where my new gaming session (on my favourite game) starts from the same point that I have left. Superstition? Maybe! :D But if possible, I prefer to start a fresh game from the scratch.

2 stellar points there :)

if it isnt fun?
STOP
 
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