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Betfair BlackJack - too strange !!!

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by poser, Jun 2, 2008.

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    Jun 2, 2008
  1. poser

    poser Experienced Member

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    Hi,

    I just had my strangest BJ experience I ever had:

    Playing normal BJ at Betfair Casino:

    In 36 hands, the dealer had 12 times a natural BJ, nearly all with a Ten showing, getting an Ace as second hole card.

    Plus, the dealer had extreme good luck in drawing cards, eg, 5 times to 21.

    I won 5 hands of those 36 (2 pushes) !!

    Too bad that the history doesn't show the exact cards.

    This is the first time, I really think a game is broken. If you had this, you'd believe it too...
     
  2. Jun 2, 2008
  3. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Drawing 5 times to 21 out of 36 hands is not impossible but 12 natural BJs out of 36 is near impossible. How many BJs did you get? If none at all, you might consider quitting this game altogether.
     
  4. Jun 2, 2008
  5. james01

    james01 Dormant account

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    that does seem fixed, but.. here's the thing. In the lottery, the chances of the numbers being 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 are exactly the same as them being any other combination.
    36 hands just isn't a large enough sample to "prove" that it's fixed. Still, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I wouldn't be surprised if it has webbed feet.
     
  6. Jun 2, 2008
  7. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    I had very unlikely losing session at Betfair Zero Blackjack too, which I posted in Games with 'par' odds thread. Although unlikely results can happen sometimes, the frequency with which they occur on Chartwell software (the one Betfair uses) does really raise the question of the randomness of this particular software.
     
  8. Jun 3, 2008
  9. poser

    poser Experienced Member

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    Hi,

    @ Chuchu59: I had some BJs too, near all were pushed.

    belive it or not, my brother played on Betfair Black Jack today too, as he had the same bonus as me.

    I told him before of my experience and I was on the phone when his game went stranger and stranger too. Dealer had too many BJs, many 21s (6+T+5...), and he had a series of 20 hands with NO wins at the end of his play (4 ties)....

    I was playing at Betfair before and NEVER had this...

    Now, thats really suspicious...

    I know: small sample size. But I play A LOT BJ, so I know bad streaks, but I really couldn't believe it, when I played that session...

    EDIT: Just realized, that my history stops at the middle of my last session !!!!! Can't believe it.
     
  10. Jun 3, 2008
  11. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Throw your brother's experience in and combined with mine and you start to believe that chartwell BJ is well, really streaky. My experience was over a year ago when I lost ten straight hands after raising my bet to $5 per hand at a poker room that used chartwell. I shrugged it off believing it was purely back luck then.
     
  12. Jun 3, 2008
  13. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    I would like to correct one misconception here. People seem to think that a game can be "streaky" and fair and random at the same time. That's not mathematically possible. If the game indeed is streaky and gives results outside 1 Standard Deviation more than 31.7% of the time, then it has to have some non-random element to it and it is the same thing as being rigged. In other words: A fair Blackjack has to behave exactly the same independent of software used.
     
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  14. Jun 3, 2008
  15. james01

    james01 Dormant account

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    Chuchu: were you playing poker? Because poker is a whole different ball game - presumably you're playing against other players and not the site.
     
  16. Oct 23, 2008
  17. NewOrleans

    NewOrleans Banned User

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    live blackjack?

    Well live blackjack is not software operated so at least you would have peace of mind...8 deck blackjack i would stay away from live or not
     
  18. Oct 24, 2008
  19. aka23

    aka23 Dormant account

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    I assume by natural BJ you mean only 2-card 21s (not any hand with sum of 21). With this assumption, I get a 1 in ~18 million chance of 12+ out of 36 being BJs. And a 1 in ~45 billion chance of 12+ out of 36 being 10 first BJs.
     
  20. Sep 13, 2011
  21. dorsetpotter

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    betfair live dealer blacjack

    I played live dealer blackjack the dealer had 5 blacjacks in 8 hands, i then played black on the roulette, 7 hands you have guessed it 7 straight reds, there staff are not much better completely incompetant avoid this casino at all costs, anybody lie to check my playing record contact me
     
  22. Sep 13, 2011
  23. dorsetpotter

    dorsetpotter Dormant account

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    betfair live dealer blacjack

    I played live dealer blackjack the dealer had 5 blacjacks in 8 hands, i then played black on the roulette, 7 hands you have guessed it 7 straight reds, there staff are not much better completely incompetant avoid this casino at all costs, anybody lie to check my playing record contact me
     
  24. Sep 13, 2011
  25. jstrike

    jstrike Dormant account

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    That's pretty weird, but definitely get those hand histories for analysis. That's priority #1 if you wannta prove anything.

    Side note, when the hell did 8 deck blackjack become standard? I know now there's 3D televisions and people wearing star trek crap on their head, but seriously, who said 8 decks was an acceptable sized blackjack shoe?
     
  26. Sep 13, 2011
  27. Repro

    Repro Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnonaccred

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    Uuuuhm... i don't want to act like a little bitch, but... why are people necroing a 3-year thread ???
     
  28. Sep 14, 2011
  29. secret2

    secret2 irishbrit62 MM

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    Since the days of UB and AP , where I played almost every day for a few years, and witnessing the dealers hand of BJ 6 times in a row...and then the bots, it became apparent to me that I shouldn't play BJ online ever again. I mourn not playing Elimination BJ, that was very entertaining!...hence my user name.

    I love to play it but I will never play it for real money online ever. I can't wait to go to AC and then play BJ. RTG BJ is not entertaining for me (USA).
     
  30. Sep 14, 2011
  31. jstrike

    jstrike Dormant account

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    Don't know. Again I regret not checking dates more closely. I feel like a guy that wandered by a car accident and went :eek2:
     
  32. Oct 3, 2011
  33. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    Well, for Live Dealer games they do it to eliminate card counting. You do realize that with access to computer calculating power and the ease of tracking each card seen on the video, card counting with a computer is far more easy than in a physical casino where you cannot use any aids.
     
  34. Oct 3, 2011
  35. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    Yeah I must admit that this BJ result hurt me a bit:

    [​IMG]

    As for the 3-Handed surrender game: That's a 64.7% payout across 858 (286 x 3) player hands in total. The game's expected RTP is 99.65%.
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2011
  36. Oct 3, 2011
  37. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

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    Why do you think your result is remotely interesting or statistically significant?
     
  38. Oct 3, 2011
  39. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    Some may find it interesting, some may not. Have you estimated the statistical significance of the above result before you made your comment?
     

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