Betfair 0% house edge games

gfkostas

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Can they really afford to remove the house edge? if yes what's the point having the games available?
A roulette with 0% edge can be deadly for a casino should a whale take them up.

:cool:
 

SlotsWizard

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I think they have 2 things in their favor:

1) Variance
2) Betting limits

I'm not sure what the actual limits are because I can't even play in free mode, but I doubt they will be going out of business any time soon.
 

RobWin

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Can they really afford to remove the house edge? if yes what's the point having the games available?
A roulette with 0% edge can be deadly for a casino should a whale take them up.

:cool:
Holy moly ! How do I sign up ? What games can I play ? How much can I cash out ? How do I find this place ? Tell me quick...before they change their minds !!....:D:D
 

hippo925

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wow!!!! just checked the site. unfortunately no u.s. but i'm looking forward to hearing about what the slots play like!! apparently, the entire casino and all the games are 0 house edge??? wonder what the blackjack rules are?

someone let us know what a 100% slot plays like!!:D


sorry guys... didn't take the time to look more carefully and read the old posts. the zero edge games are only on certain table games in what they call their "zero lounge" i guess. their main lounge has 40 or so regular games that are not included in the zero edge thing. but.... for a second i did get a "mental" erection!:D
 
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RobWin

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wow!!!! just checked the site. unfortunately no u.s. but i'm looking forward to hearing about what the slots play like!! apparently, the entire casino and all the games are 0 house edge???

someone let us know what a 100% slot plays like!!:D
Well hell, no US huh, I knew it sounded too good to be true, at least for me anyway..:mad:
 

gfkostas

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Not sure about the number of decks of their blackjack game but the 2 extra rules they got are: suited blackjack pays 2 to 1 and 5 card 21 wins 2to 1. Also double down only on 8,9,10,11.

You can always play even if in US. You just need someone who lives in UK and play through him which I would do if gambling was outlawed here. If you win he mails your winning if not you have lost nothing since it was his card:lolup:
 
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SlotsWizard

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wow!!!! just checked the site. unfortunately no u.s. but i'm looking forward to hearing about what the slots play like!! apparently, the entire casino and all the games are 0 house edge??? wonder what the blackjack rules are?

someone let us know what a 100% slot plays like!!:D
They only have 4 zero-house-edge games, Roulette, Blackjack, Baccarat and Jacks or Better. No slots in the Zero Lounge (but they are available in the regular casino).

The roulette is the only game with truly fair odds ("fair" in the sense that the payoff is inversely proportional to the probability). The Wizard of Odds and Aka23 have both calculated a negligible house edge for Blackjack and Baccarat if I remember correctly. Jacks or Better has a player edge of 0.0000189514% :D
 

aka23

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Can they really afford to remove the house edge? if yes what's the point having the games available?
A roulette with 0% edge can be deadly for a casino should a whale take them up.

:cool:
I expect that the zero lounge is a promotional tool to bring in players to more profitable areas of the site, like the sportsbook. 5Dimes does something similar with their bonus casino.

The blackjack game has 8 decks. The house edge is ~0.02% with optimal basic strategy and ~0.05% with standard multi-deck basic strategy. I believe it's the third lowest house edge online... after boss media single deck and vuetec.
 

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I think the best reason they are not offering this is that most people just don't play basic strategy. This is where an "artificial" house edge is created for the house.

I am always amazed at the number of people I see not doubling on 11 vs. 6, splitting tens, etc. when I play live blackjack :rolleyes:
 

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Holy moly ! How do I sign up ? What games can I play ? How much can I cash out ? How do I find this place ? Tell me quick...before they change their minds !!....:D:D
Too bad - no US. They've been running this for quite some time now. They even had a special Casinomeister bonus which ended last week

RedArmy can answer more questions on this I'm sure:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/redarmy.html
 

Zoozie

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A roulette with 0% edge can be deadly for a casino should a whale take them up.
:cool:
Betting limit is 50$ on the roulette. For low limit roulette players, this can turn
their expensive gambling habit into a totally cost free experience.

However I never understood the appeal of the roulette wheel. Gigantic house edge and no way of winning big. At BM casino roulette, the dealer even expect to get tips! I believe normal tip is 1 chip unit, when winning on a single number, thus doubling the house edge on these single number bets that are the most interesting bets really.
 

Rusty

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Every B&M UK Casino I ever played does not allow tips.
"All gratuities to the gaming staff are illegal"
I don't know if that has changed in the last few Years but it was obviously to prevent backhanders to staff.

As well as the zero edge games the spotsbook is excellent too as it is the players who define the odds and you can lay as well as back.
In-fact there is every possible option available and they make their money by taking a small commission on bets.

The slots are not zero edge unfortunately :p but they are ok, see betfair slots thread.

All in all a good place to gamble, oh and payouts are reasonably quick too, oh and they willl give you a free matched bet to 10, oh and they give you a free 10 just for making 3 different type of bets oh and a free 10 for trying 3 specific games, oh and the WR on 1st deposit aint bad , oh and did I say there is no WR on the other bonuses.

A decent place to wager.
 

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I expect that the zero lounge is a promotional tool to bring in players to more profitable areas of the site, like the sportsbook. 5Dimes does something similar with their bonus casino.

The blackjack game has 8 decks. The house edge is ~0.02% with optimal basic strategy and ~0.05% with standard multi-deck basic strategy. I believe it's the third lowest house edge online... after boss media single deck and vuetec.
They also make money off of the vast majority of their players who do not do play Blackjack and other table games optimally. Zero house edge is only zero house edge if you play perfect strategy and the casual gambler and sportsbettor almost certainly doesn't.
 

aka23

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They also make money off of the vast majority of their players who do not do play Blackjack and other table games optimally. Zero house edge is only zero house edge if you play perfect strategy and the casual gambler and sportsbettor almost certainly doesn't.
It depends on the game. It's hard to play zero roulette with a losing (or winning) strategy. But there are certainly a lot of blackjack and video poker players who don't use perfect strategy. This is especially true in regards to zero blackjack, with strategy changes for the unique 5-card 21 bonus.
 

RedArmy

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Happy new year to you all, i just got back from my vacation :D

I would like to advise you all that i have extended the no deposit bonus until the end of January and i will be doing more wonderful things for Casinomeister in the future.

:thumbsup:

any comments on the Zero Lounge plus what could be better is much appreciated and i will get back to you all on any suggestions etc

also taking bookings now for the CAP London, if any of you want to meet up for a chat etc

thanks for your feedback.

your humble servant

RedArmy
 

gfkostas

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This is especially true in regards to zero blackjack, with strategy changes for the unique 5-card 21 bonus.
Any idea where can i find the strategy chart which includes the 5card 21 bonus? and a strategy chart for vuetec easy payout rule?
 
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aka23

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Any idea where can i find the strategy chart which includes the 5card 21 bonus? and a strategy chart for vuetec easy payout rule?
I have strategy charts for the games on my site. Note that the VueTec game with the player edge is the computerized version with early surrender, not the live early payout game.

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gfkostas

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I have strategy charts for the games on my site. Note that the VueTec game with the player edge is the computerized version with early surrender, not the live early payout game.

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Thanks aka. Am checking your site


Any idea if the early payout is accurately calculated or they have put a house edge on it as well?
 

aka23

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Thanks aka. Am checking your site


Any idea if the early payout is accurately calculated or they have put a house edge on it as well?
Early payout usually has a ~3% house edge, so optimal strategy is to not take the early payout.
 

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