ALL US PAYMENT OPTIONS BLOCKED EXCEPT CLICK2PAY

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[/BDear Tracey,

Thank you for contacting The Jackpot Factory VIP Lounge Customer Support regarding reversing your $700 out of Click2Pay.

Please be advised that our financial department are working on the issue, as we speak. We will contact you as soon as we receive their response.

However, I also need to update you with the following information - at the moment, all payment options but Click2Pay have blocked the use for U.S. customers. This includes ACH, eChecks and also paper checks. As such, please see if it's possible to address the issue with Click2Pay themselves.

In addition, I would like to assure you that our Financial Department are checking into other payment options and will keep you posted with any news.

Should you have any additional comments, please don't hesitate to contact our Customer Service Desk on the toll-free numbers listed below. We are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for your convenience.

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NO WITHDRAWALS VIA CHECK!!!!! CLICK TO PAY ONLY OPTION

 

[Sodax77]

[/BDear Tracey,

Thank you for contacting The Jackpot Factory VIP Lounge Customer Support regarding reversing your $700 out of Click2Pay.

Please be advised that our financial department are working on the issue, as we speak. We will contact you as soon as we receive their response.

However, I also need to update you with the following information - at the moment, all payment options but Click2Pay have blocked the use for U.S. customers. This includes ACH, eChecks and also paper checks. As such, please see if it's possible to address the issue with Click2Pay themselves.

In addition, I would like to assure you that our Financial Department are checking into other payment options and will keep you posted with any news.

Should you have any additional comments, please don't hesitate to contact our Customer Service Desk on the toll-free numbers listed below. We are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for your convenience.

Best Regards,

Alex
The VIP Lounge
Jackpot Factory
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NO WITHDRAWALS VIA CHECK!!!!! CLICK TO PAY ONLY OPTION

C'mon mods i never promote my site, but there is couple casino in my blog who still accept Credit Cards from USA players. And they will PAID!

Even one of my fav Casino worker was pissed, because this...
(even they can not accept US players anymore Legal reason)

NETeller, etc... why????

What Next?! Freedom?!?!

 

[Addisyn]

I had two withdrawals pending when this all hit the fan. First I diverted them from Neteller to Instadebit. Then Instadebit closed for US players. I contacted both casinos, Crazy Vegas and Sun Palace, and was told my only option was a paper check.

Click2Pay isn't an option for me since I closed my account way back and when I attempted to reopen it a few months ago it wasn't happening.

I suppose what US players must do is get a sworn statement from any casino prior to depositing which wouldn't hold up in a court of law since they are out of jurisdiction but what the hell. The sworn statement would promise to hold our funds in perpetuity until such time as the US reopens the ability to transfer funds from an online casino.

We could call it our nest egg! A forced retirement package. About as secure as Social Security is right now!

 

[GrandMaster]

However, I also need to update you with the following information - at the moment, all payment options but Click2Pay have blocked the use for U.S. customers. This includes ACH, eChecks and also paper checks. As such, please see if it's possible to address the issue with Click2Pay themselves.

What is the problem with paper checks? Is there no money in their account, has their account been closed, have they run out of checks?

 

[Sodax77]

I had two withdrawals pending when this all hit the fan. First I diverted them from Neteller to Instadebit. Then Instadebit closed for US players. I contacted both casinos, Crazy Vegas and Sun Palace, and was told my only option was a paper check.

Click2Pay isn't an option for me since I closed my account way back and when I attempted to reopen it a few months ago it wasn't happening.

I suppose what US players must do is get a sworn statement from any casino prior to depositing which wouldn't hold up in a court of law since they are out of jurisdiction but what the hell. The sworn statement would promise to hold our funds in perpetuity until such time as the US reopens the ability to transfer funds from an online casino.

We could call it our nest egg! A forced retirement package. About as secure as Social Security is right now!

Like i talked with couple managers ~55% came from USA (Players). Even it was 90% few years ago. 55% is quite a lot!

I didn't read that that law blah blah.... but i guess, we are "terrorist" and there is "money laundering".... etc, etc...

 

[Mousey]

However, I also need to update you with the following information - at the moment, all payment options but Click2Pay have blocked the use for U.S. customers. This includes ACH, eChecks and also paper checks. As such, please see if it's possible to address the issue with Click2Pay themselves.

Well, I can't sign up at Click2Pay. And their customer service appears to be nonexistent.

Grrrrrr.... Don't we even get a kiss? :xxx

 

[goodie2shoes]

I cant believe all this. I was reading this thread earlier and then I emailed my Jackpot Factory VIP and asked them. I got a reply telling me that for now the only way to get any winnings is to have a click2pay account and since I don't have one I wouldn't be able to be paid if in fact I did win. If thats not bad enough IMO the casino management should give us notice before we make anymore deposits. I made many deposits today and not one dam word from them.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Silly Move

I cant believe all this. I was reading this thread earlier and then I emailed my Jackpot Factory VIP and asked them. I got a reply telling me that for now the only way to get any winnings is to have a click2pay account and since I don't have one I wouldn't be able to be paid if in fact I did win. If thats not bad enough IMO the casino management should give us notice before we make anymore deposits. I made many deposits today and not one dam word from them.

Well, given the situation, ANY US player would be a fool to deposit there if they have all their "eggs" in the Click2Pay basket. This is something the JF should have told US players on Tuesday, that, unless they had a working Click2Pay account, there would be no final back up method for withdrawals in the worst case scenario we now have. Most assume that the final option is to give up and get everything back by check.
Even US players with currently working Click2Pay accounts should only withdraw all they can, as there is reason to believe they will pul out completely soon, as they would not want to be the ONLY payment processor in the line of fire of the DoJ!

 

[amatrine]

Re

Im kinda comfused. I did an ACH withdral from Instadebit to my bank on Thursday, and it has not entere my bank yet. Is it going to paid? I transfered the money over before this happened.

Ama

 

[goodie2shoes]

Well, given the situation, ANY US player would be a fool to deposit there if they have all their "eggs" in the Click2Pay basket. This is something the JF should have told US players on Tuesday, that, unless they had a working Click2Pay account, there would be no final back up method for withdrawals in the worst case scenario we now have. Most assume that the final option is to give up and get everything back by check.
Even US players with currently working Click2Pay accounts should only withdraw all they can, as there is reason to believe they will pul out completely soon, as they would not want to be the ONLY payment processor in the line of fire of the DoJ!

I don't understand why they cant pay us by a check.

 

[soflat]

I don't understand why they cant pay us by a check.

I think their excuse is that their payment processor is not allowing it (they've outsourced the payment processing) or else their bank is disallowing it.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Bullshit

I think their excuse is that their payment processor is not allowing it (they've outsourced the payment processing) or else their bank is disallowing it.

Inexia (the payment processor) is a wholly owned subsidiary of the company behind Jackpot Factory. If you look at the Inexia website, you will see that their ONLY clients are the JF Casinos.

Inexia MAY be separate from Jackpot Factory at the customer level, but both companies are owned by the same Israeli outfit, and also the same outfit that owns Spiral Solutions, who market the JF brand.

They will certainly find a way round this, but it will take time. However, the US may put pressure on the Israeli government to put a stop to this - the Israeli government NEEDS the US.
If the US really believe that online casinos are "criminal organisations masquerading as legitimate businesses", they will not stop with US players, they will want to put the casinos out of business altogether, bar the ones regulated by "proper" juristictions like the UK, which they will permit the rest of the world to use. If the US loses interest in these casinos once they have stopped Americans playing, they will be showing that this had nothing to do with wanting to cut the funding for organised crime, but more to do with stopping the US citizen from spending their gambling dollars outside the US. (Not that anyone believes any different now!)

 

[Sodax77]

C'mon mods i never promote my site, but there is couple casino in my blog who still accept Credit Cards from USA players. And they will PAID!

Even one of my fav Casino worker was pissed, because this...
(even they can not accept US players anymore Legal reason)

NETeller, etc... why????

What Next?! Freedom?!?!

Yeah, i know, my English sucks. But whatever i promote in my blog, etc. T&C Apply and You will get Paid! But plese let me know payment options what you can use! (I can suggest same payment system, what Slotland use)

All other Countries. Do not worry. Just play and get paid!

 

[Pinababy69]

Soda, no offense, but I'm not entirely sure that trying to encourage people to deposit/play anywhere right now is the proper route to go. Guaranteeing that they will be paid seems a tall order, when no one seems to know what the next hour will bring....nevermind tomorrow or the next day. JMO, again no offense intended.

 

[Sodax77]

LOL... sorry Pina... i respect u. Really!

I'm just anxious....

No further comment

 

[slotchik]

C'mon mods i never promote my site, but there is couple casino in my blog who still accept Credit Cards from USA players. And they will PAID!

Even one of my fav Casino worker was pissed, because this...
(even they can not accept US players anymore Legal reason)

NETeller, etc... why????

What Next?! Freedom?!?!

It's a scary thing right now...wow

 

[Pinababy69]

LOL... sorry Pina... i respect u. Really!

I'm just anxious....

No further comment

Sometimes Soda it's hard for us to understand, because we're not affected (at least for now). But I try and put myself in the position of someone living in the US, and while it would be so tempting to go and deposit (if you could) just to play..you have to think about the longer term and getting paid. Everything just seems too volatile right now to recommend to anyone in the US to play. I know you mean well, I wish I could fix it for them too. But no one can, not today anyway.

I'm still trying to figure out how Soflat can get his money that he has tied up in pending cashouts.

 

[REOdeathwagon]

They will certainly find a way round this, but it will take time. However, the US may put pressure on the Israeli government to put a stop to this - the Israeli government NEEDS the US.
If the US really believe that online casinos are "criminal organisations masquerading as legitimate businesses", they will not stop with US players, they will want to put the casinos out of business altogether,bar the ones regulated by "proper" juristictions like the UK, which they will permit the rest of the world to use. If the US loses interest in these casinos once they have stopped Americans playing, they will be showing that this had nothing to do with wanting to cut the funding for organised crime, but more to do with stopping the US citizen from spending their gambling dollars outside the US. (Not that anyone believes any different now!)

What confuses me the most VWM, is that, at no time has the US government gone after a online casino or poker room. That I have heard of.

The US government has gone after online sportbooks. The 3 specific counts mentioned in the criminal complaint against Lawrence, and Lefebvre, were sporting wagers.
Those wagers, originated out of the State of New York. All prior arrests have involved sporting wagers, originating out of at least one of the 11 banned states, also.
This seems to me, as at least the DOJ has been consistent so far, in their precedence that sporting wagers are illegal, and always have been, according to the 'wire act'.

My thinking is that if / when they go after NETeller, this could involve the UIGEA, 'money laundering - BS'.
That could possibly be used against online casino and poker room wagers ?

I am not saying that the US government will not go after online casinoes and poker rooms in the future ? But, at this time, they haven't yet.

Also, would the US government go after a ewallet, that did not process sporting wagers ?

 

[Cynthialc]

Checks?

Several months ago I received a small withdrawl from William Hill casino by check. This was just I beleive a few days prior to them banning US players.
Anyway, I deposited the check. About 10 days later I went online to check my bank balance and to my shock there was a "returned foreign debit check" as well as a Foriegn Debit Check Return Fee"
I imediately contacted my bank for an explanation and they really couldn't give me a reason for why the check was returned. Since it involved gambling from here in the US, I didn't get to pushy, but pouted and cried and they waived the fee at least. I contacted Wm Hill and told them what happend and they took my bank info and ACH 'd the payment.
Since then I have been wondering if banks are flagging foriegn checks to see if they come from gambling sites. Just a little paronoia here in the US.

 

[GrandMaster]

I imediately contacted my bank for an explanation and they really couldn't give me a reason for why the check was returned.

There would have been stamps on the back of check such as "Payment stopped by order of drawer", "Insufficient funds", etc.

 

[Cynthialc]

Checks?

Grand, I don't think the casino had 300 USD in insufficient funds. I was just alluding to the fact it was a FORIEGN CHECK return. It just aroused my suspicions since the issuing bank was in London.

 

[vinylweatherman]

What confuses me the most VWM, is that, at no time has the US government gone after a online casino or poker room. That I have heard of.

The US government has gone after online sportbooks. The 3 specific counts mentioned in the criminal complaint against Lawrence, and Lefebvre, were sporting wagers.
Those wagers, originated out of the State of New York. All prior arrests have involved sporting wagers, originating out of at least one of the 11 banned states, also.
This seems to me, as at least the DOJ has been consistent so far, in their precedence that sporting wagers are illegal, and always have been, according to the 'wire act'.

My thinking is that if / when they go after NETeller, this could involve the UIGEA, 'money laundering - BS'.
That could possibly be used against online casino and poker room wagers ?

I am not saying that the US government will not go after online casinoes and poker rooms in the future ? But, at this time, they haven't yet.

Also, would the US government go after a ewallet, that did not process sporting wagers ?

This is because playing at an online CASINO is NOT ILLEGAL, however, by going after payment processors that can be used to place a sports wager, they are effectively scaring them out of the market. The whole point of the 270 day window was that payment processors currently lack the ability to determine the end use for which a transaction is for. No payment processor has managed to ban sports books from being merchants - they service any gaming entity.
The three specimen charges were obtained by attempting something that WAS illegal, but certainly does not reflect the majority of gaming transactions. They picked the samples carefully, even travelling to New York to place bets, but using a different state to open the accounts. Currently, no processor is required to have a system in place to block sports wagers, and the current DoJ efforts are involved in trying to give the impression that the three specimen charges show that ALL wagering, casinos included, are already illegal in ALL states. This is something the payment processors can implement NOW, by blocking EVERYTHING, they can be sure of blocking sports wagers from those states that have specific laws backing up the old wire act. The wire act itself would probably work against a sportsbook, such as BoDog, but not against a casino only outfit.

If a deposit and withdrawal method were set up that could guarantee to block any kind of transaction that would allow sports betting, the DoJ would have a big problem in stopping it, however, by this summer they will be able to define what has to be done to block "illegal transactions", and will ensure the new processor ends up on the blacklist that US banks will have to use, and this will make it very hard for US players to use it.

The only way out seems to be to have a processor that is completely independent of the US banking system, to the point of money being placed into it indepenfently, and paid out without the player having to transact with their own bank. naturally, such a system would end up being very hard for the states to monitor. The nearest thing to this is what we have here in part, UKash. The retailer selling the vouchers has no idea what they are to be used for, and their main use is to help those unable to use banks to process their transactions, the poor and homeless (no fixed address, so can't get a bank account). The only problem is that UKash is designed for paying money, not receiving it - so withdrawals from a casino would still be a problem - this could be overcome if the US players opened an offshore bank account that provided them with an ATM card that worked in US machines. A Swiss bank account would be great, or one based in Monaco or Luxembourg. These places are only interested in wealthy people, as what they provide is private banking rather than retail banking, but the casino industry could get together and strike a deal with one of the private banking firms.

At this point, any efforts the DoJ took to crack down would be felt by the majority of Americans, not just the online players, and they would be asking WTF is all this about, and will not be happy if the excuse was merely to stop people betting online, while whole US cities dedicate themselves to all sorts of gambling and other vices.

Just imagine telling those wealthy American businessmen (or senators ) they could not have the freedom to conduct their financial affairs as they saw fit outside the country because "a few people use this method to bet on Football so we have to stop it for everyone"

 

[REOdeathwagon]

This is because playing at an online CASINO is NOT ILLEGAL, however, by going after payment processors that can be used to place a sports wager, they are effectively scaring them out of the market. The whole point of the 270 day window was that payment processors currently lack the ability to determine the end use for which a transaction is for. No payment processor has managed to ban sports books from being merchants - they service any gaming entity.
The three specimen charges were obtained by attempting something that WAS illegal, but certainly does not reflect the majority of gaming transactions. They picked the samples carefully, even travelling to New York to place bets, but using a different state to open the accounts. Currently, no processor is required to have a system in place to block sports wagers, and the current DoJ efforts are involved in trying to give the impression that the three specimen charges show that ALL wagering, casinos included, are already illegal in ALL states. This is something the payment processors can implement NOW, by blocking EVERYTHING, they can be sure of blocking sports wagers from those states that have specific laws backing up the old wire act. The wire act itself would probably work against a sportsbook, such as BoDog, but not against a casino only outfit.

If a deposit and withdrawal method were set up that could guarantee to block any kind of transaction that would allow sports betting, the DoJ would have a big problem in stopping it, however, by this summer they will be able to define what has to be done to block "illegal transactions", and will ensure the new processor ends up on the blacklist that US banks will have to use, and this will make it very hard for US players to use it.

The only way out seems to be to have a processor that is completely independent of the US banking system, to the point of money being placed into it indepenfently, and paid out without the player having to transact with their own bank. naturally, such a system would end up being very hard for the states to monitor. The nearest thing to this is what we have here in part, UKash. The retailer selling the vouchers has no idea what they are to be used for, and their main use is to help those unable to use banks to process their transactions, the poor and homeless (no fixed address, so can't get a bank account). The only problem is that UKash is designed for paying money, not receiving it - so withdrawals from a casino would still be a problem - this could be overcome if the US players opened an offshore bank account that provided them with an ATM card that worked in US machines. A Swiss bank account would be great, or one based in Monaco or Luxembourg. These places are only interested in wealthy people, as what they provide is private banking rather than retail banking, but the casino industry could get together and strike a deal with one of the private banking firms.

At this point, any efforts the DoJ took to crack down would be felt by the majority of Americans, not just the online players, and they would be asking WTF is all this about, and will not be happy if the excuse was merely to stop people betting online, while whole US cities dedicate themselves to all sorts of gambling and other vices.

Just imagine telling those wealthy American businessmen (or senators ) they could not have the freedom to conduct their financial affairs as they saw fit outside the country because "a few people use this method to bet on Football so we have to stop it for everyone"

VWM, Thank you. .:notworthy ...I had some problems finding your reply in this thread mixed among all of the other similar threads on this topic.

As has already been said, this is where NETeller dropped the ball. By not allowing non gaming merchants to use their service. It will be much harder for the attorneys defending them, with the bulk of their transactions being gaming related. And, just guessing on this but the remaining 5%, or so, being peer to peer transfers.

The american banks could actually be our ally in fighting this, they want little to do with having to be the ones policing transactions. This is where the DOJ uses their intimidation tactics, to close the hole themselves, and get the banks off the 'accept and deny' hook.
I would assume there would have to be some way around the blacklist, for funding and withdrawals. After the present hoopla dies down, this market niche will be filled. The private bank angle seems possible for this.

Seems this would be the way for a ewallet to move into the market, by banning sport wagers or casinoes with books, not americans. With the $$$ thats involved, software design should not be an issue.

It is my understanding that the 1961 wire act, is very vague as it applies to the modern day and the internet. This is exactly why the DOJ is using so many different combinations of laws in the case against against lawrence and Lefebvre, knowing at least something will stick.
It's highly doubtful that the wire act alone, could be used successfully against an online casino or poker room.

CHEERS!

 

[cupojoe]

indians are the answer!

The DOJ cant touch what indians do so just like ewallet express (navahonetworks is probably indian owned), indians could get a monopoly on the online casino market. Ewalletexpress needs to offer an ATM card for payouts. just an idea, thoughts?

 

[Some1Somewhere]

I actually contacted Navaho Networks last night and they informed me that they too are no longer allowing gaming payments to US customers in or out using their systems. So that knocks out 900Pay as well as the EWalletExpress..


~ Some1Somewhere ~

 

[Some1Somewhere]

I was going thru different links on Western Union and overseas checks and the reason I am finding that most sites are most likely no longer dealing in paper checks is the banking codes outside the US are so different that most banks here arent able to process them. I was looking for a means to get $400 cashed out that doesnt involve me giving my ssn or a credit card!



~Some1Somewhere~

 

[Some1Somewhere]

Interesting story here... Have a read! Not sure where I found this first but I found it rather interesting!

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Business

The Sunday Times January 21, 2007


US Gaming Probe Rocks Top Banks
Jenny Davey



THE US Department of Justice has ordered the worlds biggest investment banks, accountants and law firms to hand over all e-mails, telephone records and papers connected with internet gaming firms as part of an investigation into illegal online gambling in America.
HSBC, Dresdner Kleinwort, Credit Suisse and Deutsche Bank are known to be among the banks that have been issued with subpoenas official requests for information as part of a worldwide hunt to build a case against those who benefited from illegal online gambling.



Britain has been the fundraising centre for many internet gambling companies, with a number of international operators listing their shares in London.

Fortunes were made by the founders of internet gaming stocks, including Party Gaming, 888.com and Betonsports.com, and advisers pocketed huge fees.

The Department of Justice first issued subpoenas in October, only days after George Bush sounded the death knell for Americas $6 billion (3.2 billion) internet gambling industry by signing legislation banning all related transactions. But until now the investigation has been kept secret.

According to City sources, the subpoenas have continued to arrive over the past few weeks.

It is thought that some investors in online gambling companies, including Party Gaming and 888.com, have also been hit with requests for information.

One source said: To say the situation is sensitive is the understatement of the decade. The problem is, even if you know you have done nothing wrong, you have no powers of resistance.

He added: You can quickly go from being a bystander to a target, so even if you are bomb- proof, you have to assume you are subject to hostility.

The source went on: The Department of Justice has taken a shotgun, not a rifle approach in relation to lots of gaming companies and has just asked everyone to hand over all the information they have.

The request could force banks and other advisers or former advisers to the gambling companies to hand over hundreds of thousands of e-mails and files to American investigators.

Another City source familiar with the circumstances said: There is no doubt at all that this situation is escalating. This has definitely got legs.

Another source described it as one of the biggest fishing expeditions ever undertaken by the Department of Justice.

Vast riches were made by the founders of internet gambling companies, including Party Gaming and 888.com. Party Gaming floated with a value of 5 billion in the summer of 2005, propelling it straight into the FTSE 100 index ahead of British household names such as British Airways and ICI. Its four founder shareholders Anurag Dikshit, Vikrant Bhargava, Ruth Parasol and her husband, Russ DeLeon took out 797m and valued their remaining shares at about 3.3 billion. Meanwhile, 888.com, which floated in September 2005 valued at 590m, created another batch of dotcom millionaires, this time among the companys Israeli founders. Avi and Aharon Shaked received more than 10m from selling a quarter of their 70% stake.

The probe by the Department of Justice will spark outrage in Britain, coming so soon after the extradition of the so-called NatWest Three to America.
Business


UK plc should be really worried about yet another encroachment of American investigators on to British territory. The City is clearly under threat, said one British businessman who asked not to be named.
The subpoenas do not reveal whom the Department of Justice is targeting. But some believe the ultimate goal is to find information incriminating the founders of the online gambling firms.

The inquiry vindicates the City professionals who refused to act for internet gambling firms because of the uncertainty about its legality in America. Banks that have been subpoenaed have lined up lawyers to act for them.

None of the banks involved would comment on the subpoenas. The Department of Justice also said that its policy was not to comment about ongoing investigations.

HSBC advised 888.com, one of the most high-profile internet gambling companies, on its flotation. Credit Suisse advised the original shareholders of 888.com on their strategic options before the flotation. Deutsche is co-broker to Party Gaming, while Dresdner advised on its public listing.

 

[cupojoe]

epassporte

epassporte should be added as a deposit option at more good casinos like microgaming ones. Everyone should email them to add that deposit option. Now its only at subpar casinos like worldwidevegas, casinosilver, etc. I dont see how epassporte would go away since its just a prepaid card. lets support epassporte and ask for it! ( yea i know it has fees but one of the few things left if more casinos would add it) and you can withdraw to epassporte! Well you can at those subpar casinos mentioned above.

 

[gerilege]

...Dresdner advised on its public listing.

Click2Pay has Dresdner bank accounts and its cheques are issued by Dresdner...

 

[REOdeathwagon]

I should have done some more research before I made the post above, as most of it is probably irrelevant. Or has been said before. I played poker for a couple of days, and was not following the forums so much.
Anyway, I found some pretty disturbing information out there related to this subject.

From the Independent Community Bankers of America :

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This was the most creepy one. From the New York Times, May 30, 2003 :
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But a little-noticed provision in the sweeping antiterrorism legislation passed in October 2001, gave federal authorities in such cases the power to seize money that passes through banks in the United States without notifying the foreign government. Most overseas banks maintain what are called "correspondent accounts" in American banks, allowing them to exchange American currency and handle other financial transactions in this country. Section 319 of the Patriot Act, as the legislation that grew out of the Sept. 11 attacks is known, allows federal authorities to seize money from the foreign bank's correspondent account if they can convince a judge that the money deposited overseas at the bank was obtained illicitly.

Information about the seizures has been tightly guarded, and federal judges have sealed the records on most of them. The Justice Department acknowledged two cases in which authorities have seized a total of more than $2 million from foreign banks, but declined to give the total number of seizures.

Law enforcement officials said the Justice Department had employed the new tool in about a half-dozen investigations, seizing money from at least 15 bank accounts. Most of those came in recent months and involved fraud and laundering cases, officials said. Law enforcement officials said some of the seizures have involved money that they suspect was helping to finance terrorism, but they declined to discuss details. Officials also see the measure as a potentially powerful tool in seizing money from drug traffickers.

Charles A. Intriago, a specialist in money laundering law in Miami who publishes Money Laundering Alert, said he considered the Justice Department's new power to seize foreign bank accounts "maybe the most startling provision of the Patriot Act." He said: "It's an awesome power, and it may even go too far because of the diplomatic problems it could cause."

But Mr. Intriago added that he did not fault the Justice Department for considering the new tool in a range of fraud, laundering and drug trafficking cases that are unrelated to their counterterrorism mandate.

"If Congress had wanted this tool to be limited to terrorism, it would have done so," he said. "It didn't."


With the WTO ruling, The 1961 Wire Act, UIGEA, The Patriot Act, and RICO. It is probably best to go ahead and open up the courts to this BS, and see exactly what is and what is not legal for US players.

 

[PackerBacker]

All-Access Prepaid Visa

I was at my local grocery store today and saw a big sign for the prepaid visa card. Initial upfront fee of $9.95 but subsequent funding of the card is free. I thought, oh, what the H*ll, these withdrawal pains are killing me. I bought $200 on the card, phoned in my activation and was funding my casino account in minutes. I did confirm that my casino group is still issuing checks to US customers, by courier, and I can live with that if I have to. So, that is a temporary fix if that helps anyone.

 

[vickie40]

I was at my local grocery store today and saw a big sign for the prepaid visa card. Initial upfront fee of $9.95 but subsequent funding of the card is free. I thought, oh, what the H*ll, these withdrawal pains are killing me. I bought $200 on the card, phoned in my activation and was funding my casino account in minutes. I did confirm that my casino group is still issuing checks to US customers, by courier, and I can live with that if I have to. So, that is a temporary fix if that helps anyone.

Which prepaid visa card did you get if don't mind answering and what casinos are taking them? I ask because I had gotten a Green Dot Prepaid Visa from Walgreens that won't work at the casinos I play at.

 

[winbig]

Which prepaid visa card did you get if don't mind answering and what casinos are taking them? I ask because I had gotten a Green Dot Prepaid Visa from Walgreens that won't work at the casinos I play at.

www.netspend.com

Greendot is useless for gambling. I bought one a couple years ago when they actually still worked, then they changed their T&C to not allow online gambling transactions anymore - about 1 month after I got it. Needless to say, I was pissed! They would even charge you an extra $20 at the time TO USE IT FOR ONLINE GAMBLING - which they wouldn't refund.

 

[PackerBacker]

It was All-Access prepaid visa. I know they sell them online at their website www.netspend.com, but you have to wait until they mail the card to you. If you go to their website and put in your zip code, they will give you a list of merchants where you can buy the cards instantly. I had about 10 merchants within 5 miles, and I live in the boonies of south Texas........BTW, I am playing at Fortune Lounge.:notworthy

 

[katodog]

It was All-Access prepaid visa. I know they sell them online at their website www.netspend.com, but you have to wait until they mail the card to you. If you go to their website and put in your zip code, they will give you a list of merchants where you can buy the cards instantly. I had about 10 merchants within 5 miles, and I live in the boonies of south Texas........BTW, I am playing at Fortune Lounge.:notworthy

Forgive my ignorance but if I bought a netspend card and I want to deposit to a casino,do I just deposit under the credit card option? Also,does it have that 3-digit cvn# on the back?

 

[PackerBacker]

I was just as ignorant too.....I bought the card, called the activation number on the front of the card , and gave them my personal info, including SS #. When I funded my casino account, I went to the Visa/MC option (that's the one we haven't been able to use for years ) and entered the card info, including the 3 digit number from the back of the card. Worked like a charm Hope it helps....Back to Thunderstruck!

 

[winbig]

Forgive my ignorance but if I bought a netspend card and I want to deposit to a casino,do I just deposit under the credit card option? Also,does it have that 3-digit cvn# on the back?

You can put it through as either debit or credit. They both work

 

[oldandboring40]

are the netspend cards still working? i have one on order. from what i gather you can recharge them via paypal without having to go to a retail establishment. why will they work and greent dot wont. think netspend will pull the plug too?

 

[prindi]

I Still Use Netspend!

I have the reloadable card, but at this point it doesn't make any sense to use that as it leaves a paper trail. I view having money in a web wallet such as Netspend a risk in being able to access my money when I wake up the next day. I just pick up the gift cards at the grocery store which is also known as All-Access Visa. The website claims you have to register the card in order for it to be accepted for on online purchases but I haven't registered probably the last 5 or so gift cards and they still work fine on the internet. I register the card in the casino software banking as a debit card that is drawn from Inter National Bank. The last couple days have been a challenge getting to play. Fortunelounge is taking Netpend tonight, but I was getting rejected the last couple days..just about everywhere. I found that Vegas Slot has some great processors as they all went through and it also allowed me to purchase for only $20. The only other casino ( micro) that I was able to purchase was at Roxy and Splendido for the last few days, however I got rejected on all amounts for deposit under $100. which doesn't sit well with me. The different methods to deposit and withdrawal seem to be changing by the minute. I confirm with Vegas Slot and they will do a paper check. Fortunelounge says they will also do a paper check. Now for the confusing part. I called Netspend probably about a week or 2 ago and they said to me on the day I called there were going to be no more ACH in or out as of the day I had called. Then I see in the forums that some people were able to withdraw by into Netspend via ACH. a few days later..

 

[winbig]

I have the reloadable card, but at this point it doesn't make any sense to use that as it leaves a paper trail. I view having money in a web wallet such as Netspend a risk in being able to access my money when I wake up the next day. I just pick up the gift cards at the grocery store which is also known as All-Access Visa. The website claims you have to register the card in order for it to be accepted for on online purchases but I haven't registered probably the last 5 or so gift cards and they still work fine on the internet. I register the card in the casino software banking as a debit card that is drawn from Inter National Bank. The last couple days have been a challenge getting to play. Fortunelounge is taking Netpend tonight, but I was getting rejected the last couple days..just about everywhere. I found that Vegas Slot has some great processors as they all went through and it also allowed me to purchase for only $20. The only other casino ( micro) that I was able to purchase was at Roxy and Splendido for the last few days, however I got rejected on all amounts for deposit under $100. which doesn't sit well with me. The different methods to deposit and withdrawal seem to be changing by the minute. I confirm with Vegas Slot and they will do a paper check. Fortunelounge says they will also do a paper check. Now for the confusing part. I called Netspend probably about a week or 2 ago and they said to me on the day I called there were going to be no more ACH in or out as of the day I had called. Then I see in the forums that some people were able to withdraw by into Netspend via ACH. a few days later..

At some outlets online, they will not accept gift cards. This comes into play if their CC processor finds out there's no address associated with the card.

The problem is that they will attempt to complete the transaction, thus placing these funds "on hold". Visa will keep the funds in this state for 7 days. I found this out the hard way. I had ~$90 tied up because of that BS.

 

[eduun]

why bother with click2pay, they don"t!!!

I.m reading your comments, and I dont know whether to laugh or cry, since click2pay is not making withdrawels to americans, they have disabled the withdrawel button. So your casino can make a payment to click2pay, then what are you going to do with your winning?