ALL US PAYMENT OPTIONS BLOCKED EXCEPT CLICK2PAY

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[/BDear Tracey,

Thank you for contacting The Jackpot Factory VIP Lounge Customer Support regarding reversing your $700 out of Click2Pay.

Please be advised that our financial department are working on the issue, as we speak. We will contact you as soon as we receive their response.

However, I also need to update you with the following information - at the moment, all payment options but Click2Pay have blocked the use for U.S. customers. This includes ACH, eChecks and also paper checks. As such, please see if it's possible to address the issue with Click2Pay themselves.

In addition, I would like to assure you that our Financial Department are checking into other payment options and will keep you posted with any news.

Should you have any additional comments, please don't hesitate to contact our Customer Service Desk on the toll-free numbers listed below. We are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for your convenience.

Best Regards,

Alex
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Sodax77

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[/BDear Tracey,

Thank you for contacting The Jackpot Factory VIP Lounge Customer Support regarding reversing your $700 out of Click2Pay.

Please be advised that our financial department are working on the issue, as we speak. We will contact you as soon as we receive their response.

However, I also need to update you with the following information - at the moment, all payment options but Click2Pay have blocked the use for U.S. customers. This includes ACH, eChecks and also paper checks. As such, please see if it's possible to address the issue with Click2Pay themselves.

In addition, I would like to assure you that our Financial Department are checking into other payment options and will keep you posted with any news.

Should you have any additional comments, please don't hesitate to contact our Customer Service Desk on the toll-free numbers listed below. We are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for your convenience.

Best Regards,

Alex
The VIP Lounge
Jackpot Factory
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NO WITHDRAWALS VIA CHECK!!!!! CLICK TO PAY ONLY OPTION


C'mon mods i never promote my site, but there is couple casino in my blog who still accept Credit Cards from USA players. And they will PAID!

Even one of my fav Casino worker was pissed, because this...
(even they can not accept US players anymore Legal reason)

NETeller, etc... why???? :mad:

What Next?! Freedom?!?!
 

Addisyn

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I had two withdrawals pending when this all hit the fan. First I diverted them from Neteller to Instadebit. Then Instadebit closed for US players. I contacted both casinos, Crazy Vegas and Sun Palace, and was told my only option was a paper check.

Click2Pay isn't an option for me since I closed my account way back and when I attempted to reopen it a few months ago it wasn't happening.

I suppose what US players must do is get a sworn statement from any casino prior to depositing which wouldn't hold up in a court of law since they are out of jurisdiction but what the hell. The sworn statement would promise to hold our funds in perpetuity until such time as the US reopens the ability to transfer funds from an online casino.

We could call it our nest egg! A forced retirement package. About as secure as Social Security is right now! :lolup:
 

GrandMaster

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However, I also need to update you with the following information - at the moment, all payment options but Click2Pay have blocked the use for U.S. customers. This includes ACH, eChecks and also paper checks. As such, please see if it's possible to address the issue with Click2Pay themselves.
What is the problem with paper checks? Is there no money in their account, has their account been closed, have they run out of checks?
 

Sodax77

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I had two withdrawals pending when this all hit the fan. First I diverted them from Neteller to Instadebit. Then Instadebit closed for US players. I contacted both casinos, Crazy Vegas and Sun Palace, and was told my only option was a paper check.

Click2Pay isn't an option for me since I closed my account way back and when I attempted to reopen it a few months ago it wasn't happening.

I suppose what US players must do is get a sworn statement from any casino prior to depositing which wouldn't hold up in a court of law since they are out of jurisdiction but what the hell. The sworn statement would promise to hold our funds in perpetuity until such time as the US reopens the ability to transfer funds from an online casino.

We could call it our nest egg! A forced retirement package. About as secure as Social Security is right now! :lolup:

Like i talked with couple managers ~55% came from USA (Players). Even it was 90% few years ago. 55% is quite a lot!

I didn't read that that law blah blah.... but i guess, we are "terrorist" and there is "money laundering".... etc, etc... :rolleyes:
 

Mousey

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However, I also need to update you with the following information - at the moment, all payment options but Click2Pay have blocked the use for U.S. customers. This includes ACH, eChecks and also paper checks. As such, please see if it's possible to address the issue with Click2Pay themselves.

Well, I can't sign up at Click2Pay. And their customer service appears to be nonexistent.

Grrrrrr.... Don't we even get a kiss? :xxx
 

goodie2shoes

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I cant believe all this. I was reading this thread earlier and then I emailed my Jackpot Factory VIP and asked them. I got a reply telling me that for now the only way to get any winnings is to have a click2pay account and since I don't have one I wouldn't be able to be paid if in fact I did win. If thats not bad enough IMO the casino management should give us notice before we make anymore deposits. I made many deposits today and not one dam word from them.
 

vinylweatherman

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Silly Move

I cant believe all this. I was reading this thread earlier and then I emailed my Jackpot Factory VIP and asked them. I got a reply telling me that for now the only way to get any winnings is to have a click2pay account and since I don't have one I wouldn't be able to be paid if in fact I did win. If thats not bad enough IMO the casino management should give us notice before we make anymore deposits. I made many deposits today and not one dam word from them.

Well, given the situation, ANY US player would be a fool to deposit there if they have all their "eggs" in the Click2Pay basket. This is something the JF should have told US players on Tuesday, that, unless they had a working Click2Pay account, there would be no final back up method for withdrawals in the worst case scenario we now have. Most assume that the final option is to give up and get everything back by check.
Even US players with currently working Click2Pay accounts should only withdraw all they can, as there is reason to believe they will pul out completely soon, as they would not want to be the ONLY payment processor in the line of fire of the DoJ!
 

amatrine

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Im kinda comfused. I did an ACH withdral from Instadebit to my bank on Thursday, and it has not entere my bank yet. Is it going to paid? I transfered the money over before this happened.

Ama
 

goodie2shoes

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Well, given the situation, ANY US player would be a fool to deposit there if they have all their "eggs" in the Click2Pay basket. This is something the JF should have told US players on Tuesday, that, unless they had a working Click2Pay account, there would be no final back up method for withdrawals in the worst case scenario we now have. Most assume that the final option is to give up and get everything back by check.
Even US players with currently working Click2Pay accounts should only withdraw all they can, as there is reason to believe they will pul out completely soon, as they would not want to be the ONLY payment processor in the line of fire of the DoJ!


I don't understand why they cant pay us by a check.
 

vinylweatherman

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Bullshit

I think their excuse is that their payment processor is not allowing it (they've outsourced the payment processing) or else their bank is disallowing it.

Inexia (the payment processor) is a wholly owned subsidiary of the company behind Jackpot Factory. If you look at the Inexia website, you will see that their ONLY clients are the JF Casinos.

Inexia MAY be separate from Jackpot Factory at the customer level, but both companies are owned by the same Israeli outfit, and also the same outfit that owns Spiral Solutions, who market the JF brand.

They will certainly find a way round this, but it will take time. However, the US may put pressure on the Israeli government to put a stop to this - the Israeli government NEEDS the US.
If the US really believe that online casinos are "criminal organisations masquerading as legitimate businesses", they will not stop with US players, they will want to put the casinos out of business altogether, bar the ones regulated by "proper" juristictions like the UK, which they will permit the rest of the world to use. If the US loses interest in these casinos once they have stopped Americans playing, they will be showing that this had nothing to do with wanting to cut the funding for organised crime, but more to do with stopping the US citizen from spending their gambling dollars outside the US. (Not that anyone believes any different now!)
 

Sodax77

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C'mon mods i never promote my site, but there is couple casino in my blog who still accept Credit Cards from USA players. And they will PAID!

Even one of my fav Casino worker was pissed, because this...
(even they can not accept US players anymore Legal reason)

NETeller, etc... why???? :mad:

What Next?! Freedom?!?!

Yeah, i know, my English sucks. But whatever i promote in my blog, etc. T&C Apply and You will get Paid! But plese let me know payment options what you can use! (I can suggest same payment system, what Slotland use)

All other Countries. Do not worry. Just play and get paid!
 

Pinababy69

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Soda, no offense, but I'm not entirely sure that trying to encourage people to deposit/play anywhere right now is the proper route to go. Guaranteeing that they will be paid seems a tall order, when no one seems to know what the next hour will bring....nevermind tomorrow or the next day. JMO, again no offense intended.
 

slotchik

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C'mon mods i never promote my site, but there is couple casino in my blog who still accept Credit Cards from USA players. And they will PAID!

Even one of my fav Casino worker was pissed, because this...
(even they can not accept US players anymore Legal reason)

NETeller, etc... why???? :mad:

What Next?! Freedom?!?!
It's a scary thing right now...wow
 

Pinababy69

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LOL... sorry Pina... i respect u. Really!

I'm just anxious....

No further comment :rolleyes:

Sometimes Soda it's hard for us to understand, because we're not affected (at least for now). But I try and put myself in the position of someone living in the US, and while it would be so tempting to go and deposit (if you could) just to play..you have to think about the longer term and getting paid. Everything just seems too volatile right now to recommend to anyone in the US to play. I know you mean well, I wish I could fix it for them too. But no one can, not today anyway.

I'm still trying to figure out how Soflat can get his money that he has tied up in pending cashouts. :oops:
 

REOdeathwagon

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They will certainly find a way round this, but it will take time. However, the US may put pressure on the Israeli government to put a stop to this - the Israeli government NEEDS the US.
If the US really believe that online casinos are "criminal organisations masquerading as legitimate businesses", they will not stop with US players, they will want to put the casinos out of business altogether,bar the ones regulated by "proper" juristictions like the UK, which they will permit the rest of the world to use. If the US loses interest in these casinos once they have stopped Americans playing, they will be showing that this had nothing to do with wanting to cut the funding for organised crime, but more to do with stopping the US citizen from spending their gambling dollars outside the US. (Not that anyone believes any different now!)

What confuses me the most VWM, is that, at no time has the US government gone after a online casino or poker room. That I have heard of.

The US government has gone after online sportbooks. The 3 specific counts mentioned in the criminal complaint against Lawrence, and Lefebvre, were sporting wagers.
Those wagers, originated out of the State of New York. All prior arrests have involved sporting wagers, originating out of at least one of the 11 banned states, also.
This seems to me, as at least the DOJ has been consistent so far, in their precedence that sporting wagers are illegal, and always have been, according to the 'wire act'.

My thinking is that if / when they go after NETeller, this could involve the UIGEA, 'money laundering - BS'.
That could possibly be used against online casino and poker room wagers ?

I am not saying that the US government will not go after online casinoes and poker rooms in the future ? But, at this time, they haven't yet.

Also, would the US government go after a ewallet, that did not process sporting wagers ?
 
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Cynthialc

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Checks?

Several months ago I received a small withdrawl from William Hill casino by check. This was just I beleive a few days prior to them banning US players.
Anyway, I deposited the check. About 10 days later I went online to check my bank balance and to my shock there was a "returned foreign debit check" as well as a Foriegn Debit Check Return Fee"
I imediately contacted my bank for an explanation and they really couldn't give me a reason for why the check was returned. Since it involved gambling from here in the US, I didn't get to pushy, but pouted and cried and they waived the fee at least. I contacted Wm Hill and told them what happend and they took my bank info and ACH 'd the payment.
Since then I have been wondering if banks are flagging foriegn checks to see if they come from gambling sites. Just a little paronoia here in the US.
 

GrandMaster

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I imediately contacted my bank for an explanation and they really couldn't give me a reason for why the check was returned.
There would have been stamps on the back of check such as "Payment stopped by order of drawer", "Insufficient funds", etc.
 

Cynthialc

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Checks?

Grand, I don't think the casino had 300 USD in insufficient funds. I was just alluding to the fact it was a FORIEGN CHECK return. It just aroused my suspicions since the issuing bank was in London.
 

vinylweatherman

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What confuses me the most VWM, is that, at no time has the US government gone after a online casino or poker room. That I have heard of.

The US government has gone after online sportbooks. The 3 specific counts mentioned in the criminal complaint against Lawrence, and Lefebvre, were sporting wagers.
Those wagers, originated out of the State of New York. All prior arrests have involved sporting wagers, originating out of at least one of the 11 banned states, also.
This seems to me, as at least the DOJ has been consistent so far, in their precedence that sporting wagers are illegal, and always have been, according to the 'wire act'.

My thinking is that if / when they go after NETeller, this could involve the UIGEA, 'money laundering - BS'.
That could possibly be used against online casino and poker room wagers ?

I am not saying that the US government will not go after online casinoes and poker rooms in the future ? But, at this time, they haven't yet.

Also, would the US government go after a ewallet, that did not process sporting wagers ?

This is because playing at an online CASINO is NOT ILLEGAL, however, by going after payment processors that can be used to place a sports wager, they are effectively scaring them out of the market. The whole point of the 270 day window was that payment processors currently lack the ability to determine the end use for which a transaction is for. No payment processor has managed to ban sports books from being merchants - they service any gaming entity.
The three specimen charges were obtained by attempting something that WAS illegal, but certainly does not reflect the majority of gaming transactions. They picked the samples carefully, even travelling to New York to place bets, but using a different state to open the accounts. Currently, no processor is required to have a system in place to block sports wagers, and the current DoJ efforts are involved in trying to give the impression that the three specimen charges show that ALL wagering, casinos included, are already illegal in ALL states. This is something the payment processors can implement NOW, by blocking EVERYTHING, they can be sure of blocking sports wagers from those states that have specific laws backing up the old wire act. The wire act itself would probably work against a sportsbook, such as BoDog, but not against a casino only outfit.

If a deposit and withdrawal method were set up that could guarantee to block any kind of transaction that would allow sports betting, the DoJ would have a big problem in stopping it, however, by this summer they will be able to define what has to be done to block "illegal transactions", and will ensure the new processor ends up on the blacklist that US banks will have to use, and this will make it very hard for US players to use it.

The only way out seems to be to have a processor that is completely independent of the US banking system, to the point of money being placed into it indepenfently, and paid out without the player having to transact with their own bank. naturally, such a system would end up being very hard for the states to monitor. The nearest thing to this is what we have here in part, UKash. The retailer selling the vouchers has no idea what they are to be used for, and their main use is to help those unable to use banks to process their transactions, the poor and homeless (no fixed address, so can't get a bank account). The only problem is that UKash is designed for paying money, not receiving it - so withdrawals from a casino would still be a problem - this could be overcome if the US players opened an offshore bank account that provided them with an ATM card that worked in US machines. A Swiss bank account would be great, or one based in Monaco or Luxembourg. These places are only interested in wealthy people, as what they provide is private banking rather than retail banking, but the casino industry could get together and strike a deal with one of the private banking firms.

At this point, any efforts the DoJ took to crack down would be felt by the majority of Americans, not just the online players, and they would be asking WTF is all this about, and will not be happy if the excuse was merely to stop people betting online, while whole US cities dedicate themselves to all sorts of gambling and other vices.

Just imagine telling those wealthy American businessmen (or senators:D ) they could not have the freedom to conduct their financial affairs as they saw fit outside the country because "a few people use this method to bet on Football so we have to stop it for everyone"
 

REOdeathwagon

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This is because playing at an online CASINO is NOT ILLEGAL, however, by going after payment processors that can be used to place a sports wager, they are effectively scaring them out of the market. The whole point of the 270 day window was that payment processors currently lack the ability to determine the end use for which a transaction is for. No payment processor has managed to ban sports books from being merchants - they service any gaming entity.
The three specimen charges were obtained by attempting something that WAS illegal, but certainly does not reflect the majority of gaming transactions. They picked the samples carefully, even travelling to New York to place bets, but using a different state to open the accounts. Currently, no processor is required to have a system in place to block sports wagers, and the current DoJ efforts are involved in trying to give the impression that the three specimen charges show that ALL wagering, casinos included, are already illegal in ALL states. This is something the payment processors can implement NOW, by blocking EVERYTHING, they can be sure of blocking sports wagers from those states that have specific laws backing up the old wire act. The wire act itself would probably work against a sportsbook, such as BoDog, but not against a casino only outfit.

If a deposit and withdrawal method were set up that could guarantee to block any kind of transaction that would allow sports betting, the DoJ would have a big problem in stopping it, however, by this summer they will be able to define what has to be done to block "illegal transactions", and will ensure the new processor ends up on the blacklist that US banks will have to use, and this will make it very hard for US players to use it.

The only way out seems to be to have a processor that is completely independent of the US banking system, to the point of money being placed into it indepenfently, and paid out without the player having to transact with their own bank. naturally, such a system would end up being very hard for the states to monitor. The nearest thing to this is what we have here in part, UKash. The retailer selling the vouchers has no idea what they are to be used for, and their main use is to help those unable to use banks to process their transactions, the poor and homeless (no fixed address, so can't get a bank account). The only problem is that UKash is designed for paying money, not receiving it - so withdrawals from a casino would still be a problem - this could be overcome if the US players opened an offshore bank account that provided them with an ATM card that worked in US machines. A Swiss bank account would be great, or one based in Monaco or Luxembourg. These places are only interested in wealthy people, as what they provide is private banking rather than retail banking, but the casino industry could get together and strike a deal with one of the private banking firms.

At this point, any efforts the DoJ took to crack down would be felt by the majority of Americans, not just the online players, and they would be asking WTF is all this about, and will not be happy if the excuse was merely to stop people betting online, while whole US cities dedicate themselves to all sorts of gambling and other vices.

Just imagine telling those wealthy American businessmen (or senators:D ) they could not have the freedom to conduct their financial affairs as they saw fit outside the country because "a few people use this method to bet on Football so we have to stop it for everyone"

VWM, Thank you.:thumbsup: .:notworthy ...I had some problems finding your reply in this thread mixed among all of the other similar threads on this topic.

As has already been said, this is where NETeller dropped the ball. By not allowing non gaming merchants to use their service. It will be much harder for the attorneys defending them, with the bulk of their transactions being gaming related. And, just guessing on this but the remaining 5%, or so, being peer to peer transfers.

The american banks could actually be our ally in fighting this, they want little to do with having to be the ones policing transactions. This is where the DOJ uses their intimidation tactics, to close the hole themselves, and get the banks off the 'accept and deny' hook.
I would assume there would have to be some way around the blacklist, for funding and withdrawals. After the present hoopla dies down, this market niche will be filled. The private bank angle seems possible for this.

Seems this would be the way for a ewallet to move into the market, by banning sport wagers or casinoes with books, not americans. With the $$$ thats involved, software design should not be an issue.

It is my understanding that the 1961 wire act, is very vague as it applies to the modern day and the internet. This is exactly why the DOJ is using so many different combinations of laws in the case against against lawrence and Lefebvre, knowing at least something will stick.
It's highly doubtful that the wire act alone, could be used successfully against an online casino or poker room.

CHEERS!
 

cupojoe

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indians are the answer!

The DOJ cant touch what indians do so just like ewallet express (navahonetworks is probably indian owned), indians could get a monopoly on the online casino market. Ewalletexpress needs to offer an ATM card for payouts. just an idea, thoughts?
 

Some1Somewhere

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I actually contacted Navaho Networks last night and they informed me that they too are no longer allowing gaming payments to US customers in or out using their systems. So that knocks out 900Pay as well as the EWalletExpress..


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