888.com online was scammed

[P.V.]

There are serious problems with the PAB idea, as detailed in the recent Warning re 888: https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...perties-are-ignoring-player-complaints.53093/

I'll be contacting the OP to discuss options.

I see, so they're dead on arrival!


1 like to the OP until I here more.

 

[P.V.]

Here, I've highlighted the important part of the email.

I need more than that, come on..

 

[Nifty29]

If anyone actually thinks the 77yo grandfather was playing on their own account is kidding themselves.

Based on what has transpired thus far, it appears to me that the grandson was in total control of the account. If true, they are in breach of the terms of every online casino I know I.e. you cannot allow someone else to use your account.

IMO the only reason the OP looks as legit as they do is the fact that the casino is 888.

 

[maxd]

I see, so they're dead on arrival!

Bottom line insofar as discussing player issues goes is "yes, DOA". They won't cooperate with the PAB process -- after all, that's what scuttled their bid for Accredited status a while back -- and that pretty much ends the conversation. From what I can tell they believe they are big enough and rich enough that they don't need to bother themselves with things like the PAB process, or any player issue they don't wish to discuss, etc.

As I see it players are left with no option but to vote with their feet, and there's no argument quite as poignant as money walking out the door. Sometimes that's the only message that gets through.

 

[LaHutti]

I actually think it was the grandmother.

If anyone actually thinks the 77yo grandfather was playing on their own account is kidding themselves.

Based on what has transpired thus far, it appears to me that the grandson was in total control of the account. If true, they are in breach of the terms of every online casino I know I.e. you cannot allow someone else to use your account.

IMO the only reason the OP looks as legit as they do is the fact that the casino is 888.

 

[Mirra21]

If anyone actually thinks the 77yo grandfather was playing on their own account is kidding themselves.

Based on what has transpired thus far, it appears to me that the grandson was in total control of the account. If true, they are in breach of the terms of every online casino I know I.e. you cannot allow someone else to use your account.

IMO the only reason the OP looks as legit as they do is the fact that the casino is 888.

So, why can't 77 old grandfather (thouhg I am a woman) play on his account ? How is that clear to you ? You just believe what you believe and don't want to hear anything else, right? If a player is older than 50 he shouldn't be allowed to play at all, cause it's already obvious that their grand kids are the players ? or there is a better idea. First let them deposit and than block and take their money, they were not allowed to register, we are too old for that and don't have right to play in casino.

 

[P.V.]

So, why can't 77 old grandfather (thouhg I am a woman) play on his account ? How is that clear to you ? You just believe what you believe and don't want to hear anything else, right? If a player is older than 50 he shouldn't be allowed to play at all, cause it's already obvious that their grand kids are the players ? or there is a better idea. First let them deposit and than block and take their money, they were not allowed to register, we are too old for that and don't have right to play in casino.

What do you mean play on his account?? I'm supporting you and now you're playing on someones account?

Nifty.. :notworthy

Wait a minute do you mean your account or someone else??

 

[Mirra21]

What do you mean play on his account?? I'm supporting you and now you're playing on someones account?

Nifty.. :notworthy

I mean - Why can not a 77 year old grandfather (as he called me, cause he can not remember my gender) play on his ( his - means his own) account ?

 

[P.V.]

I mean - Why can not a 77 year old grandfather (as he called me, cause he can not remember my gender) play on his ( his - means his own) account ?

Odd request but can you have your grandson do a video of yourself trying to login to your 888 account? Seems many would like to confirm you're not a minor but rather in the golden years. Do a cell phone video..

You like doing videos, right?

 

[Mirra21]

Odd request but can you have your grandson do a video of yourself trying to login to your 888 account? Seems many would like to confirm you're not a minor but rather in the golden years. Do a cell phone video..

You like doing videos, right?

But it would mean nothing. Non believers (or casino employees) will say that that grandson asked his grand mother to do so and it really will proove nothing I don't see how it can help to prove anything. To 888.com even a photocopy of my ID and photos of my credit card were not enough proof !
By their logic my grandson used my name, my account, My ID, my credit card, my funds..

 

[P.V.]

But it would mean nothing. Non believers (or casino employees) will say that that grandson asked his grand mother to do so and it really will proove nothing I don't see how it can help to prove anything. To 888.com even a photocopy of my ID and photos of my credit card were not enough proof !

You're trying to gain support in a public forum, that's easy as Nifty has pointed out. Take a cell video, or cam video of you logging into your 888 account just like you've shown in the OT. Show us a 77 year old player and we can go from there as to whether you got ripped off or not. JMO

 

[The Dude]

Watch the video from the beginning till the and there is no conflict in true balance. Everything is ok with the video, You must watch carefully if you wan't to understand what's going on and only after that try to give me some advice. That's if you are interested in the subject and if you are not, why even bother yourself ?

I couldn't get past the first five minutes. There needed to be a narrative so I could figure out what I was supposed to be looking for and what the complaint was exactly about. The video was a waste of time.

They do not have the proof of it of course. I only admitted he is translating and helping with some advice. And he is typing, so what ?

So what? Then he is acting as your surrogate and in fact is probably playing as well. Grandma is probably out making a pot of tea while the boy is here typing away. In fact, granny probably has no clue what her grandson is doing - which I find despicable.

You're trying to gain support in a public forum, that's easy as Nifty has pointed out. Take a cell video, or cam video of you logging into your 888 account just like you've shown in the OT. Show us a 77 year old player and we can go from there as to whether you got ripped off or not. JMO

I'd like to see a video of granny playing perfect strategy with a live dealer for a prolonged period of time - alone. No grandson telling her which cards to keep or what to fold. If this person is serious, it can be done by morning's end. Since her account is locked at 888, she can open one up at 32red, Betfred, Bet365, etc., right now and use their live dealers. That would be acceptable.

Don't come to this forum with bullshit. Show me a video with you playing blackjack unassisted.

edited to add: here is a list of Accredited casinos with live dealers. I'd like to see this video within the next couple of hours. Thanks!
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[vinylweatherman]

But it would mean nothing. Non believers (or casino employees) will say that that grandson asked his grand mother to do so and it really will proove nothing I don't see how it can help to prove anything. To 888.com even a photocopy of my ID and photos of my credit card were not enough proof !
By their logic my grandson used my name, my account, My ID, my credit card, my funds..

That's the excuse they are using, but the REAL reason may be something I noticed in Max's warning.

•a player filed a PAB against 888 -- they had been ejected from the casino for "employing a gaming strategy" -- and when asked they submitted the requested signed statement.
•through the forum rep -- who acts as the go-between to the casinos and/or head office -- the casino's reply was "operations have given their answer to him and it won't change".
•we said "thank you but we need to see the case details", they ignored those requests.
•when asked why they were not honouring their agreement to discuss the player's case after the requested statement had been provided they said "there was no point".
•after many attempts to get them to state whether they would discuss the player's case or not they finally replied (again, through the forum rep) "due to the fact that the issue was resolved they are not willing to share any details on this issue".
•the player reported that 888 hadn't bothered to contact him, never mind offering a resolution. Presumably the casino people mean that they "resolved" it to their satisfaction. Hardly the same thing.

What got their attention is the "system" you have been using, increasing bets after a loss. Add to this a belief that this is the Grandson playing on the Grandmother's account, they can not only eject you from the casino, but confiscate the money.

Their evidence for this seems to rest on a confession they claimed you made in an email to them. You should still have all the emails you sent, and it would be interesting to see the one they believe is a confession. If this confession evidence can be refuted, 888 have nothing substantive to base a confiscation of the winnings on. The fact that your Grandson acted as your English translator just won't fly on it's own (except for the GRA maybe). If they come up with a different reason for non payment, that won't fly here either.

Since a PAB isn't the way forward, the PAB rules don't apply as they are aimed at helping the operator deal with the problem in private between themselves and the mediator. 888 don't want that, they are not interested in a mediated solution, they have decided what is going to happen, and are going to stick to it.

What makes this tale hard to accept is the idea of a 77 year old Granny as one of the best disciplined advantage players around, and with the monetary means to high roll in 6 digit numbers. Your confidence in playing bets as high as you do means you have been playing for quite some time.

Although 888 has locked you out, you could still demonstrate this by having your grandson take a video of you sat in front of a PC playing high stakes Blackjack at another casino. It would show that you are capable and confident enough to do this. The screen videos show the gameplay, but not who is doing it.

Your story about the video was that your grandson did them, so they could not demonstrate any actual bets as he couldn't risk losing $100 on your account.

This is bollocks because,

1) You have $130+ in there, so losing a few hundered bucks to prove a point is nothing to you.
2) Screen recorder doesn't care who is playing, so there is no reason why YOU could not play your account once your grandson had started the screen recording software.

 

[Mirra21]

Don't come to this forum with bullshit. Show me a video with you playing blackjack unassisted.

edited to add: here is a list of Accredited casinos with live dealers. I'd like to see this video within the next couple of hours. Thanks!
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First of all, please be polite , young man, I am much older than you. And secondly, I am not your clown, maybe somebody else wants to see my video juggling with fire ?
I am not here for that, to amuse you, I just warned people and you are free to believe what you want. And what perfect strategy are you talking about ? If you know blackjack, you must know that there are no perfect strategies, just basic strategy and it's not perfect, in the end you still loose. So I DID NOT PLAY PERFECT BASIC STRATEGY ! And I've never admitted my grandson is not helping me, sometimes he used to give me advices, that's not forbidden by contract or law. Even during live play players give each other advices..And who is going to tell me what my grandson should do or should not in my house ? you ?? should he tell me something, or should he be still ? or even should not enter my room while I am playing ? Maybe that's also breach of contract ? It's insane ! and it's getting annoying already. The fact is - I am a fair player, won in a fair game, 888.com is a cheater and scammer, cause they took my money away without any evidences and not during fair game, that's it. and I am not going to try any live blackjack anymore, cause I just don't trust them. And as far as nobody can here really investigate my case, cause 888 is not cooperating, this is my last post. You can make your own conclusions. Good Bye everyone.

 

[maxd]

Well Granny, I hope I have as much zip when I'm 77 as you supposedly do. Attach Removed (Old not found)

And if there is no Granny then I think we'll all remember this as the case of The Video Making Granny Who Claimed To Be A Whiz At Live Dealer Blackjack But Couldn't Be Arsed To Prove A Damn Thing And Then Conveniently Left The Building (as inspired by the great Daryl Zero).

 

[vinylweatherman]

First of all, please be polite , young man, I am much older than you. And secondly, I am not your clown, maybe somebody else wants to see my video juggling with fire ?
I am not here for that, to amuse you, I just warned people and you are free to believe what you want. And what perfect strategy are you talking about ? If you know blackjack, you must know that there are no perfect strategies, just basic strategy and it's not perfect, in the end you still loose. So I DID NOT PLAY PERFECT BASIC STRATEGY ! And I've never admitted my grandson is not helping me, sometimes he used to give me advices, that's not forbidden by contract or law. Even during live play players give each other advices..And who is going to tell me what my grandson should do or should not in my house ? you ?? should he tell me something, or should he be quite ? or even should not enter my room while I am playing ? Maybe that's also breach of contract ? It's insane ! and it's getting annoying already. The fact is - I am a fair player, won in a fair game, 888.com is a cheater and scammer, cause they took my money away without any evidences and not during fair game, that's it. and I am not going to try any live blackjack anymore, cause I just don't trust them. And as far as nobody can here really investigate my case, cause 888 is not cooperating, this is my last post. You can make your own conclusions. Good Bye everyone.

You are here to warn others, far from running away when the going gets tough, surely you should be making every possible effort to shoot down every piece of "evidence" 888 has used against you. If you can destroy all their evidence, you will have PROVED that they have simply made up a load of bullshit so that they can rob you of $100K and make it look legit.

What is also suspicious is that we know this is the grandson typing after having translated into English, yet what we have here is an emotional outburst that does not seem to have benefited from the calming down expected were the outburst to have been fired at the grandson, and then translated, and only then posted. It looks more like the grandson really FELT the emotions, not merely translated them for grandma.

This only goes to support 888's case that it is the grandson using the grandmother's details and funds to play blackjack. This goes beyond merely providing advice and translation, and is against the terms of not only 888, but every single casino out there.

It is a shame that 888 don't cooperate with PAB, as if they did they would probably be proved right, whereas now we think they are probably right, but there is still the suspicion that they might have pulled a stunt on you because of your "gaming strategy" since they have a history of "pulling stunts" rather than paying other players who appear to be using a strategy at the tables.

 

[Balthazar]

What is also suspicious is that we know this is the grandson typing after having translated into English, yet what we have here is an emotional outburst that does not seem to have benefited from the calming down expected were the outburst to have been fired at the grandson, and then translated, and only then posted. It looks more like the grandson really FELT the emotions, not merely translated them for grandma.

This. Pretty safe to assume at this point that we have a classic case of a guy using his grandma's credit card and informations to play. Like Bryan said earlier, grandma is probably in the kitchen baking pies and have no idea of what's going on here.

Thanks for losing everyone's time and good riddance.

 

[The Dude]

First of all, please be polite , young man, I am much older than you...

Well, I guess you've put me in my place.

And secondly, I am not your clown, maybe somebody else wants to see my video juggling with fire ?

No - we want to see you playing blackjack with a live dealer - without assistance - and playing perfect basic strategy.

If you can't be arsed to spend five minutes to sign up at a casino, set up a video camera and play for a few minutes then our conclusions are pretty much spot on: You are using your grandmother's ID docs and bank account to play at a casino.

You should be able to do this by lunchtime. No clown videos please.

 

[skiny]

He can't leave yet. Columbo is supposed to pull his wig off in the final scene leaving him standing there in a dress and earrings.

Hang on.... Maybe that's Scooby Doo.

He'd have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

 

[Mirra21]

Well, I guess you've put me in my place.



No - we want to see you playing blackjack with a live dealer - without assistance - and playing perfect basic strategy.

If you can't be arsed to spend five minutes to sign up at a casino, set up a video camera and play for a few minutes then our conclusions are pretty much spot on: You are using your grandmother's ID docs and bank account to play at a casino.

You should be able to do this by lunchtime. No clown videos please.

I just could not leave this without answer !
I may not have a video camera, this idea did not occur to you, sir ? You think I should buy one to prove you something? Even If I had a camera It would be very difficult to show myself and what's happening on the screen sharply enough, so that no questions were left ! It means I must buy some expensive HD camera and try to find some good angle so that game on the screen and myself both could be seen perfectly well... and even If I did so , all this effort would not bring me back my money. You know this perfectly well, that's why you are telling me to do so. That makes me think that lots of people are working for casinos here, you can tell by their answers. Are you one of them ? Let's make a deal: Sign some sort of contract between me and you - I manage to show myself and my game play in live casino for half an hour and post this video on youtube and you guarantee me that after this you will make 888.com unblock my account and let me withdraw all my winnings. Do you agree, sir ?

p.s. about emotions, I made him to translate so that it sounded emotional, very simple.

 

[The Dude]

I just could not leave this without answer !
I may not have a video camera, this idea did not occur to you, sir ? You think I should buy one to prove you something? Even If I had a camera It would be very difficult to show myself and what's happening on the screen sharply enough, so that no questions were left ! It means I must buy some expensive HD camera and try to find some good angle so that game on the screen and myself both could be seen perfectly well... and even If I did so , all this effort would not bring me back my money. You know this perfectly well, that's why you are telling me to do so. That makes me think that lots of people are working for casinos here, you can tell by their answers. Are you one of them ? Let's make a deal: Sign some sort of contract between me and you - I manage to show myself and my game play in live casino for half an hour and post this video on youtube and you guarantee me that after this you will make 888.com unblock my account and let me withdraw all my winnings. Do you agree, sir ?

p.s. about emotions, I made him to translate so that it sounded emotional, very simple.

Ummm. Who am I speaking to? Grandma or the grandson? If it's grandma, how did you learn English so quickly? If this is the grandson speaking for grandma, what did you do with your camera?

 

[The Dude]

Oh eff it. This is a bloody waste of time. Go find some other place to run your scam.

Using your grandmother's IDs and bank accounts...you ought to be thrown in jail. I hope 888.com reports you to Interpol and/or your local police department. I loathe people like you.

 

[Mirra21]

Ummm. Who am I speaking to? Grandma or the grandson? If it's grandma, how did you learn English so quickly? If this is the grandson speaking for grandma, what did you do with your camera?

He translates very fast..also gives me some ideas, it does not matter who is talking right now, you asked for proof, so you'll get Grandma playing blackjack on the video, if you guarantee that all my funds from 888 will be on my bank account after this. So, is it a deal ? If yes, please, write to me in pm about details of how we sign a contract.

 

[Mirra21]

Oh eff it. This is a bloody waste of time. Go find some other place to run your scam.

Using your grandmother's IDs and bank accounts...you ought to be thrown in jail. I hope 888.com reports you to Interpol and/or your local police department. I loathe people like you.

So, everything is clear with you...And I hate people like you.

 

[The Dude]

So, everything is clear with you...And I hate people like you.

You have some gall - identity thieving scumbag. I hope you drop the soap in the jail house shower-room.

 

[The Dude]

Changed thread title to something more appropriate.

 

[dionysus]

Gosh, I hope gramma doesnt drop it; cause I feel for anyone who has to see that women bend over

 

[BingoT]

Gosh, I hope gramma doesnt drop it; cause I feel for anyone who has to see that women bend over

 

[dionysus]

 

[smcinoz]

This. Pretty safe to assume at this point that we have a classic case of a guy using his grandma's credit card and informations to play. Like Bryan said earlier, grandma is probably in the kitchen baking pies and have no idea of what's going on here.

Thanks for losing everyone's time and good riddance.

Or worse

Norman!

 

[chayton]

Actually I was wondering if it was possible that the CC holder and whoever was playing were not even related... A lot of eldery people are targets for credit card fraud. Hope I'm wrong and that granny actually did get a cut of the $60K+ that was already paid out.

But I suppose since 888 won't discuss anything that it's all moot anyhow.

 

[maphesto]

Norman!

Unbeatable!

To topic again. Now we all of course think that the grandson (or another scumbag) is the man behind the computer. But WHERE do we draw the line? If grandma is 67 years old? 60? 55?

The truth is that NO online casino knows what age the player in front of the screen has. In this case, people react on the fact that the account holder is a, hmm, "senior".

The gameplay itself isn't anything wrong with, or is it? Did the "system" work? Is the real reason from the casino the gameplay or the age of the player?

Since both the player and the casino seems to be thieves I will certainly not recommend 888 to anyone. Why can't they just discuss things as serious casinos?

 

[HIGHIQ]

Mirra,

just buy a good video camera.. and make a video that ur grandma is playing... we talking about 100k if it is real what u claiming to .. then there should be no worries...then 888 has no feet to stand on...i think anybody who has been taking away for 100k would sound frustating like MIrra...all the people will stand behind u if u can show the real case on proving video... sofar words isnt just enough...i seen here alot people complaining so hard for much less so...

goodluck

 

[Zepher]

Wow, I know and agree that this thread has wasted a LOT of peoples' time, but this has most certainly been one of the more entertaining ones lately. My thoughts concur with CM's last post.

/thread

 

[vinylweatherman]

Unbeatable!

To topic again. Now we all of course think that the grandson (or another scumbag) is the man behind the computer. But WHERE do we draw the line? If grandma is 67 years old? 60? 55?

The truth is that NO online casino knows what age the player in front of the screen has. In this case, people react on the fact that the account holder is a, hmm, "senior".

The gameplay itself isn't anything wrong with, or is it? Did the "system" work? Is the real reason from the casino the gameplay or the age of the player?

Since both the player and the casino seems to be thieves I will certainly not recommend 888 to anyone. Why can't they just discuss things as serious casinos?

The "system" may have got their attention, but it looks like the main issue was the ID theft. 888 cannot know whether the grandson is even old enough to play, or even if the grandmother has given permission. Maybe it was not the confession, but the highly emotional emails, that made them sure this was not someone translating, but writing in English "from the heart".

If it were the grandmother, the emotional outpourings would be in her own language, and this would not translate seamlessly into English, but would reveal oddities where different cultures have different ways of saying things emotionally.

Every time the OP has been given a way to prove that 888 are full of $***, they have come up with an excuse for not doing it. He has already made over $50K, yet draws the line at spending around $200 of it on a decent HD video camera. He then wants CM to sign a binding contract that 888 will pay him if he can make this video. This is an impossible request, designed to make CM look obstructive, but it didn't work. The worst CM could do would be to put 888 in the rogue pit were the OP able to prove he/she was scammed. Since CM has no authority over 888, there is no way he can sign such a contract, and since the grandson is fluent in English, he would know this.

Maybe granny has a 50K retirement fund she know nothing about

 

[skiny]

What language does grandma speak?

Why can't someone speak to her in her own language and ask her if her son or grandson has access to her credit cards?

If he's using grandma's ID you call the phone at the address on the ID and talk to whatever 77 year old woman happens to live there in her own language.

Then have a little chat with her about gambling strategies, blackjack systems and things only a real player would know. Presumably a real good player from the $130k "she's" won in the last couple of months.

 

[aacasino]

is this really a thread!

If anyone actually thinks the 77yo grandfather was playing on their own account is kidding themselves.

Based on what has transpired thus far, it appears to me that the grandson was in total control of the account. If true, they are in breach of the terms of every online casino I know I.e. you cannot allow someone else to use your account.

IMO the only reason the OP looks as legit as they do is the fact that the casino is 888.

What I still don't get is.... it it the 77yr old grandmother writing this thread, or the grandson on her behalf?
No matter as its obviously the grandson so at this point we don't know if the owner of the account is aware of this thread.

I have yet to see in the video a winning streak of taking a 5k deposit up to 135k. However, if this is the case the grandson won the money, then what is stopping him form opening his own account? (Self-exclusion, underage.... the list goes on).

I find it unusual that a 77yr grandmother would infrequently decide to record her play... for no apparent reason at the time as 888 had as of yet not decided to withold any withdrawals.

The soft ware is not rigged and neither belongs to 888. Its Evolution and the most popular supplier of live dealer feed to date. The tables and staff are rented.

888 have reason to believe that something is amiss. I would imagine that there have been hefty deposits by a 3rd party using a 77 yr old grandmothers credit card and after some play attempting to withdraw hefty amounts.

Seeing as the grandson has admitted to the Customer support he is playing on her behalf as well as acting as her translator, has the Grandmother previously informed the customer support this is the case and signed a document accepting all liability prior to depositing and playing in the event that should the play have been on a losing streak then this would remove all liabilities and chargebacks to 888 for the original deposits?

Unless ALL the facts are shown, how can any thread starter even begin to imagine that anyone would take this seriously. My sentiments and my own opinion is that the thread starter feels he can bully 888 into avoiding unfavourable publicity and pay. If, however, 888 do release the funds afterall, then they will have committed a serious issue and certainly would warrant a discussion in this forum.

 

[skiny]

I really have no way of knowing what's going on but I'm inclined to believe that a 77 year old woman did not open a casino account and start high rolling with a 5k bankroll and then start building video evidence before any issue arose that the funds were actually in her account and the account activity wasn't fake.

Without more information about the account's activity which I don't think anyone is going to get it's hard to say what the reality is behind this situation but I think it's safe to say something certainly smells fishy.

How long ago was the account opened? Was the deposit and play history always large amounts and high wagers?

It's just my opinion but if this was an active account with a sudden change in bet sizes and changes in games played maybe from lower wagers in slots and bingo or keno to high rolling blackjack I would probably believe that this was an account that's been "borrowed" by a player with an existing account or accounts that have either been blocked or might already be under suspicion. Or a player who wants to use someone else's credit cards to make deposits.

If this is a relatively new account I would be more inclined to believe it's just a matter of identity theft and fraud. Maybe get the pin numbers for grandma's credit cards and start high rolling.

Either way, the actions and the argumentative nature of the OP doesn't strike me as those that would be fitting of an elderly woman of 77 who doesn't even speak the language she's arguing in. I know nothing about this casino but I do know when something doesn't smell right.

 

[Seventh777]

Dear oh dear, how times change, in my day the only time grandma was subject to identity theft was when big bad wolf fancied a slice of granddaughter pie .

 

[Tyston Bethlen]

PERHAPS BIGGER IS NOT BETTER IN THIS CASE

I can read every word in the emails just fine would you like me to type them up for you? I'm on a normal laptop so perhaps your screen is too big making this burly. I see it VERY CLEAR. I'm not against the casino in any way as a matter a fact I played the 007 promo they had years ago & won big I got paid every penny. I have done well on there affiliate program as well. SO I LOVE CASINO 888. I don't know whats going on with all of this but from the emails I see they are using some BS that he didn't play his own account and that's BS. This rule not letting some one play your account is a BS rule anyways and is yet another angle for casinos to fall back on when they feel they don't want to play. Lets say I'm playing at an online casino and my GF comes in the room and say oh let me try so she spins the slot or places a bet 1 time and wins big your telling me that they don't have to pay me now? I can see where they may not want you letting some well known pro gambler take over your account like on poker or something. The casino should have %100 proof and should be on them to prove it %100 before they can withhold your money. When I say %100 proof not even a admission of guilt should be enough if it is withdrawn at anytime basically i want video evidence of the guy doing it or I want a death certificate saying the account holder is dead and could not have possibly played, not some bullshit like YOU DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH. What if the kid said grandma lets play this casino i can win big by counting cards i watched Rain Man and the grandson & grandma played together? Then they won big of course the English speaking younger more with it person would do all the talking. Whats going on with this why is there not more being said or done about this?

 

[HIGHIQ]

I can read every word in the emails just fine would you like me to type them up for you? I'm on a normal laptop so perhaps your screen is too big making this burly. I see it VERY CLEAR. I'm not against the casino in any way as a matter a fact I played the 007 promo they had years ago & won big I got paid every penny. I have done well on there affiliate program as well. SO I LOVE CASINO 888. I don't know whats going on with all of this but from the emails I see they are using some BS that he didn't play his own account and that's BS. This rule not letting some one play your account is a BS rule anyways and is yet another angle for casinos to fall back on when they feel they don't want to play. Lets say I'm playing at an online casino and my GF comes in the room and say oh let me try so she spins the slot or places a bet 1 time and wins big your telling me that they don't have to pay me now? I can see where they may not want you letting some well known pro gambler take over your account like on poker or something. The casino should have %100 proof and should be on them to prove it %100 before they can withhold your money. When I say %100 proof not even a admission of guilt should be enough if it is withdrawn at anytime basically i want video evidence of the guy doing it or I want a death certificate saying the account holder is dead and could not have possibly played, not some bullshit like YOU DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH. What if the kid said grandma lets play this casino i can win big by counting cards i watched Rain Man and the grandson & grandma played together? Then they won big of course the English speaking younger more with it person would do all the talking. Whats going on with this why is there not more being said or done about this?

-iam totally agree with this... what i can see is this kid showing on video is.. a starting balance of 40.000 usd.
i think they deposit 5k and played tight and got up to that amount and withdraw some... and then thinking its a big amount lets record this if something goes wrong so that they have evidence...i play all the time in some period with my father together playing live bacarat at evolution live dealer... and whats wrong with it if u have good bound as family...together having fun ... as any gambler we love this story deposit few thousend and keep winning endless... but in this case the player does and then 888 takes the plug out by this doin...

 

[P.V.]

i want video evidence of the guy doing it or I want a death certificate saying the account holder is dead and could not have possibly played, not some bullshit like YOU DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH.

The simple fact that Grandma doesn't want to provide a video of herself trying to login to 888, or actually playing live blackjack at another site is enough for me.

I actually tried giving her the benefit of a doubt, like yourself but the lack of willingness indicated fraud and changed my position quickly.

When someone become's defensive rather than openness, it's clear something's amiss.

 

[HIGHIQ]

I just could not leave this without answer !
I may not have a video camera, this idea did not occur to you, sir ? You think I should buy one to prove you something? Even If I had a camera It would be very difficult to show myself and what's happening on the screen sharply enough, so that no questions were left ! It means I must buy some expensive HD camera and try to find some good angle so that game on the screen and myself both could be seen perfectly well... and even If I did so , all this effort would not bring me back my money. You know this perfectly well, that's why you are telling me to do so. That makes me think that lots of people are working for casinos here, you can tell by their answers. Are you one of them ? Let's make a deal: Sign some sort of contract between me and you - I manage to show myself and my game play in live casino for half an hour and post this video on youtube and you guarantee me that after this you will make 888.com unblock my account and let me withdraw all my winnings. Do you agree, sir ?

p.s. about emotions, I made him to translate so that it sounded emotional, very simple.

as he said here he is willing to do it if a contract is signed where he can has her money for 100%...but i can read aswell there is alot emotion in all the post this person has.. its $135.000 bucks lol i would shout all the way too...

 

[P.V.]

as he said here he is willing to do it if a contract is signed where he can has her money for 100%...but i can read aswell there is alot emotion in all the post this person has.. its $135.000 bucks lol i would shout all the way too...

It's not he but she, Grandma. Start at page one..

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/888-com-online-was-scammed.53401/

 

[vinylweatherman]

as he said here he is willing to do it if a contract is signed where he can has her money for 100%...but i can read aswell there is alot emotion in all the post this person has.. its $135.000 bucks lol i would shout all the way too...

I am sure Grandma would to, but not in English. She would be ranting away, and her grandson would be trying to make sense of it and put it into English. This would temper any emotion and produce a calmer paraphrasing of what was said. This didn't happen though, the post was typed by the person experiencing the raw emotion, and the brain was not translating, but producing English direct from raw emotion, with the fingers typing it.

The grandson also guards the phone. 888 cannot speak to grandma without the grandson butting in and taking over the call. 888 believe that it is the grandson that does all the playing, grandma just supplies the money, either knowingly or unknowingly.

 

[Janek12]

I actually tried giving her the benefit of a doubt, like yourself but the lack of willingness indicated fraud and changed my position quickly.

When someone become's defensive rather than openness, it's clear something's amiss.

I completely agree with you. I have changed my position too.
It does not make sense that the old lady would not want to present all the proof she can and get the support of a man with such huge respect and reputation in the online casino world as Casinomeister has.
I think the motive for posting here might have been the grandson's (or whatever person it is) revenge against the casino by badmouthing them here. But since the grandson (the person) knows that he actually does not have a case, he leaves it at that.
If the player was the lady and everything was above board, then she could get a much better revenge by PROVING that the casino was in the wrong and by - possibly - getting that huge amount of money in the process.
So the case seems clear to me now - and the thought that perhaps it is even a case of downright abuse of an old-age person either by a relative or a complete stranger really makes me very sad and angry. I have old parents and it is horrible how some people try to take advantage of them... including shop assistants at cash registers in supermarkets adding items to their bill, etc.

 

[Seventh777]

I`m middle of the road on this one - On one side we have the T&C`s of 888 clearly stating that only the account holder can play on their account, on the other side we have a family member playing for them, what if the account holder has some form of disablement like chronic arthritis and has trouble pressing keys, or they are blind, a granddaughter playing a grandmother`s account doesn`t warrant a seizure of $40,000 imho, okay the T&C`s have been broken, but, have they really been broken to such an extent that it warrants a forfeiture of such a large sum of money?, it`s down to the integrity of the casino entirely to resolve this.

I wonder what the result would be if this happened at 32Red?.

I would guarantee that if 888 were informed that the only way grandma could carry on depositing was for one of her grandchildren to play for her, they would have agreed.

 

[Nifty29]

I`m middle of the road on this one - On one side we have the T&C`s of 888 clearly stating that only the account holder can play on their account, on the other side we have a family member playing for them, what if the account holder has some form of disablement like chronic arthritis and has trouble pressing keys, or they are blind, a granddaughter playing a grandmother`s account doesn`t warrant a seizure of $40,000 imho, okay the T&C`s have been broken, but, have they really been broken to such an extent that it warrants a forfeiture of such a large sum of money?, it`s down to the integrity of the casino entirely to resolve this.

I wonder what the result would be if this happened at 32Red?.

I would guarantee that if 888 were informed that the only way grandma could carry on depositing was for one of her grandchildren to play for her, they would have agreed.

Either you breach the terms or you don't.

Once you start talking about "degrees of breach", it makes having rules almost pointless. Like with anything, once you give an inch the fraudsters will take it a mile.

I agree with p.v.....innocent people don't behave like granny/grandson/martian/whoever was playing has in this thread.

IMO you can't equate dollar values with whether or not a term should be waived....to say that is tantamount to saying it is OK to confiscate smaller amounts from low rollers, but high rollers or big winners should be exempt. Either everyone gets the free ride, or nobody does, otherwise don't have the rule in the first place.

 

[Seventh777]

Either you breach the terms or you don't.

Once you start talking about "degrees of breach", it makes having rules almost pointless. Like with anything, once you give an inch the fraudsters will take it a mile.

I agree with p.v.....innocent people don't behave like granny/grandson/martian/whoever was playing has in this thread.

IMO you can't equate dollar values with whether or not a term should be waived....to say that is tantamount to saying it is OK to confiscate smaller amounts from low rollers, but high rollers or big winners should be exempt. Either everyone gets the free ride, or nobody does, otherwise don't have the rule in the first place.

Well that wasn`t my intention to endorse rules with borderlines that can be waived by some, breached by others, I remember a case over Xmas last year when some guy had made a single bet over the allowed maximum bet the bonus allowed and had his winnings confiscated, even you expressed your feelings that this was unseasonal and not the correct road to take, we have here a case of a family member playing their family member`s account, if this was a case of intimidation on their behalf I would agree.

 

[Pinababy69]

p.s. about emotions, I made him to translate so that it sounded emotional, very simple.

No...I said MORE exclamation points and question marks!! And make sure to throw some capital letters in there, so that everyone will know I'm shouting, and VERY upset!!!!! Ha ha....one of the better/funnier answers from the many scammers over the years.

Honestly, that whole paragraph was clearly written in the first person...no translation.

I hope you drop the soap in the jail house shower-room.

And one of the best responses to a scammer....lmao.