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[Tirilej]

Well, If I am old, I can not play in casino and risk money ? By this logic I also should not be posting on forums.

That's exactly my point. Remember that this is just my opinion, but no I do not believe that you are the 77 year old lady. I chose to believe the exact same as the casino does.
I can't prove you are not of course, but you won't prove otherwise so I will continue to have my opinion.

 

[Balthazar]

By this logic I also should not be posting on forums.

Your grandson is "doing the translation", so we'll go ahead and assume that he's not sitting next to you spelling every single word for you. He's likely the one typing and posting here, too.

Now the casino says in the email: "YOU HAVE ADMITTED IN SEVERAL EMAILS THAT IT IS NOT YOURSELF THAT PLAYS BUT YOUR GRANDSON".

If they can prove that, you have no case. There's a huge difference between playing and translating.

 

[Nifty29]

Well, If I am old, I can not play in casino and risk money ? By this logic I also should not be posting on forums.

You're about as old as the sandwich I just made.

We aren't dimwitted fools here sunshine.

My suggestion to PAB here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/player-arbitration-pab/

The truth will come out in the wash.

 

[Mirra21]

That's exactly my point. Remember that this is just my opinion, but no I do not believe that you are the 77 year old lady. I chose to believe the exact same as the casino does.
I can't prove you are not of course, but you won't prove otherwise so I will continue to have my opinion.

But your opinion does not give you right to rob me.

 

[Mirra21]

Your grandson is "doing the translation", so we'll go ahead and assume that he's not sitting next to you spelling every single word for you. He's likely the one typing and posting here, too.

Now the casino says in the email: "YOU HAVE ADMITTED IN SEVERAL EMAILS THAT IT IS NOT YOURSELF THAT PLAYS BUT YOUR GRANDSON".

If they can prove that, you have no case. There's a huge difference between playing and translating.

They do not have the proof of it of course. I only admitted he is translating and helping with some advice. And he is typing, so what ?

 

[Mirra21]

You're about as old as the sandwich I just made.

We aren't dimwitted fools here sunshine.

My suggestion to PAB here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/player-arbitration-pab/

The truth will come out in the wash.

You can think whatever you want. I sent them my documents, copy of my ID, I played with my credit card, I provided every single document they've asked, otherwise they would not let me to make even a single withdrawal. AND by the way, I am not here to answer all the posts, I made a video to warn everyone. Here is a video and you can see everything with your eyes and you can believe whatever you want to. In my case they use this reason, maybe in your case they will use other reasons to block your account. Why are you fighting me ? You want to deposit and play there ? Than do it. Do whatever you want, It's not my job to convince every naive person not to loose their money. Good bye.

 

[HIGHIQ]

i feel really bad for this player mirra that 888 robbing his money... my father loves to gamble too and he doesnt speak or read a single word english.. and iam the one who is helping to open account and deposit money and soemtimes he tells me to play for him when he is doin something.. whats the point if he gives me the permission .. only in this case the player wins alot of money and 888 trying to find a excuse to not to pay...if u read the email .. u can see that 888 is saying hey we have paid u 50k and its more then enough we not gonna give u another cent ..and dont try to come back...888 is really doin bad practise here.... if i am gambling and i need to cook i ask my wife to jump in... would the casino give money back if my wife lost the money ?? the point is bet is placed legally and the owner of the chips is not complaining... why would the casino? 888 U BIG SCAM CASINO.... AND MIRA IS RIGHT SHE IS TRYING TO WARN US... AND I STAND BEHIND OF THIS PLAYER... REMEMBER WE ARE THE PLAYERS.....

 

[Mirra21]

i feel really bad for this player mirra that 888 robbing his money... my father loves to gamble too and he doesnt speak or read a single word english.. and iam the one who is helping to open account and deposit money and soemtimes he tells me to play for him when he is doin something.. whats the point if he gives me the permission .. only in this case the player wins alot of money and 888 trying to find a excuse to not to pay...if u read the email .. u can see that 888 is saying hey we have paid u 50k and its more then enough we not gonna give u another cent ..and dont try to come back...888 is really doin bad practise here.... if i am gambling and i need to cook i ask my wife to jump in... would the casino give money back if my wife lost the money ?? the point is bet is placed legally and the owner of the chips is not complaining... why would the casino? 888 U BIG SCAM CASINO.... AND MIRA IS RIGHT SHE IS TRYING TO WARN US... AND I STAND BEHIND OF THIS PLAYER... REMEMBER WE ARE THE PLAYERS.....

Thank you for your support.

 

[aceking123]

,mirra a couple of questions to which i dont understand , ive watched your video , i can see the ammounts but i cannot see any bets placed in all the time of the video .

never once did i see you click a bet & follow through with a bet , yes you may of clicked the bet button but didnt continue with the bet , so you havnt showed any playing regarding bets ,

which i find very odd indeed , considering the ammounts involved & you going to long lenghts to show on a video your winning all these funds not once can you show 50 hands of live black jack to which youve played yourself ,maybe im missing something here but something just doesnt sit right here with me ,
im in no way sticking up for 888.com but i get this feeling something isnt quite right here , had you updated some kind of play in this it would of been helpful , bot rings a bell here even on live blackjack , yer seems strange they paid out some of your winnings then cut off maybe after reviewing your play something didnt sit right with your play manner hence to why theyre not paying out those funds although they should because its a live game, not RNG game play. but im pretty sure here something isnt right with your account.

 

[Mirra21]

,mirra a couple of questions to which i dont understand , ive watched your video , i can see the ammounts but i cannot see any bets placed in all the time of the video .

never once did i see you click a bet & follow through with a bet , yes you may of clicked the bet button but didnt continue with the bet , so you havnt showed any playing regarding bets ,

which i find very odd indeed , considering the ammounts involved & you going to long lenghts to show on a video your winning all these funds not once can you show 50 hands of live black jack to which youve played yourself ,maybe im missing something here but something just doesnt sit right here with me ,
im in no way sticking up for 888.com but i get this feeling something isnt quite right here , had you updated some kind of play in this it would of been helpful , bot rings a bell here even on live blackjack , yer seems strange they paid out some of your winnings then cut off maybe after reviewing your play something didnt sit right with your play manner hence to why theyre not paying out those funds although they should because its a live game, not RNG game play. but im pretty sure here something isnt right with your account.

I will answer your question. I made that bet just to prove that money is real, cause bankroll has changed after placing a bet. And indeed you can clearly see in my video that everything is real, my history, comp points, the girl calls my name when I enter the table. I did not play while recording, cause I could not concentrate on the game, while my grandson was making a video..and loosing even 100 dollars is not the way for me. It is not a big secret how much I won and what was my bankroll, if you can you may even ask this information 888.com operators. They won't deny that I won more than 167 000 usd, but I made some withdrawals and at the moment of banning I had over 135 000 usd on my account. I also have more extended versions of my videos, where I show some history of play, I can show them anytime if someone is interested. Also all the letters and our conversations. As for my style of play, I decided to play according to blackjack strategy ( basic strategy ) and bet little money, but when I started to loose I used to loose my nerve and bet big, and I won several sessions like this. It was like a miracle. At first I risked from 500 to 1000 and than I just continued and bet tens of thousands, I was saying a prayer at such moments, once we even called an ambulance, I had cardiac problems I got so nervous, but in the end I won and winnings were fair and they did such a thing, that's why I am so angry and want everyone to know what they've done. They don' deserve the name of reputable casino.

p.s.
Even 888.com does not say that something is wrong with my account, the reason of banning is that they don't believe I am a player at the computer. These is the only thing they mention, cause they do not have real reason, or any proof or any evidence, nothing at all. They've just lost big money and they had to do everything not to let me withdraw. That's my opinion.

 

[Nifty29]

If you're SO sure you are the victim of a scam, then WHY aren't you posting a complaint via the FREE service I referred to?

You have nothing to lose......except I guess for when it is proven you're doing something dodgy, like pretending to be someone else etc.

Tell me....do YOU have an account as well as your "grandfather". It's very easy to compare logs and see if the same person is playing.

I'll tell you this.....if VWM is even smelling BS, then it must be a strong odor.

If you don't lodge a complaint, I think we can all arrive at our own conclusions as to your claims.

 

[Mirra21]

If you're SO sure you are the victim of a scam, then WHY aren't you posting a complaint via the FREE service I referred to?

You have nothing to lose......except I guess for when it is proven you're doing something dodgy, like pretending to be someone else etc.

If you don't lodge a complaint, I think we can all arrive at our own conclusions as to your claims.

First of all I've already done so ! and secondly, whoever you are, don't give me ultimatums like - if you don't do so, than we do so... I repeat you can think whatever you want and arrive at whatever conclusion you want.

 

[Balthazar]

First of all I've already done so !

If you've done so then you should know that you're not allowed to discuss the issue here until it's resolved.

 

[Seventh777]

Watch the video from the beginning till the and there is no conflict in true balance. Everything is ok with the video, You must watch carefully if you wan't to understand what's going on and only after that try to give me some advice. That's if you are interested in the subject and if you are not, why even bother yourself ?

All I done was give you some solid advice my old China, believe me, when I get interested in something, no stone goes unturned. I think your forum etiquette is getting lost somewhere between the translation your end and here.

 

[Seventh777]

,mirra a couple of questions to which i dont understand , ive watched your video , i can see the ammounts but i cannot see any bets placed in all the time of the video .

never once did i see you click a bet & follow through with a bet , yes you may of clicked the bet button but didnt continue with the bet , so you havnt showed any playing regarding bets ,

which i find very odd indeed , considering the ammounts involved & you going to long lenghts to show on a video your winning all these funds not once can you show 50 hands of live black jack to which youve played yourself ,maybe im missing something here but something just doesnt sit right here with me ,
im in no way sticking up for 888.com but i get this feeling something isnt quite right here , had you updated some kind of play in this it would of been helpful , bot rings a bell here even on live blackjack , yer seems strange they paid out some of your winnings then cut off maybe after reviewing your play something didnt sit right with your play manner hence to why theyre not paying out those funds although they should because its a live game, not RNG game play. but im pretty sure here something isnt right with your account.

I will hasten to add, it`s a pity this guy doesn`t go into the internet porn business, the quality of that video was pretty damn good to what i`m used to watching .

 

[aceking123]

hi mirra you see this is the bit that just doesnt add up , well to be honest if i had just won a 135k , i would not stating this kind of thing as per your own words ....I did not play while recording, cause I could not concentrate on the game, while my grandson was making a video..and loosing even 100 dollars is not the way for me.

 

[Mirra21]

hi mirra you see this is the bit that just doesnt add up , well to be honest if i had just won a 135k , i would not stating this kind of thing as per your own words ....I did not play while recording, cause I could not concentrate on the game, while my grandson was making a video..and loosing even 100 dollars is not the way for me.

I don't actually understand what you mean.
I play, my grandson helps me with translation, makes this recordings. I don't like to play while he is recording and he can not risk my money and bet 100 dollars on my account. Plane and Simple.
I am not here to convince you or anyone else about anything.. I made this video to warn people(ordinary people, not casino employees). And people are free to believe whatever they want.
You may believe your eyes, or casino employees, You can even say that the whole video is a fake and done in some editing program and 888 are pure angels...
That's your choice, I just warned you, that was my mission and it's done here. Now everyone can make their own conclusions and do with their money whatever they want.
And by the way, the mail box is empty, nobody contacted me from this site regarding investigation of my case.

 

[Tirilej]

You have to do that by yourself. Here is a link. Start reading, stop posting and please let them investigate it.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/pab-rules/

 

[maxd]

... the mail box is empty, nobody contacted me from this site regarding investigation of my case.

FYI we typically work Monday to Friday and it is Sunday .. not much gonna happen regarding your PAB until tomorrow AM.

 

[skiny]

*Puts on trench coat.*

Well, I don't see anything all that suspicious Mirra. I mean, just because you have a relatively good relationship with a casino doesn't mean you can't be too cautious. Sure you made large withdrawals in the past with no problems and you seem to be winning so the dealer must not be cheating but you never know when a casino is going to turn on you. Still, I'm sure everything will get sorted out just fine.

Just one more thing, Ma'am.

It's probably nothing but I'm just thinking that any gambler who is able to turn 5k into 135k must have enough experience to know that these winning streaks don't usually last too long. I'm wondering why an experienced gambler in the middle of a good run would take the time to start making videos of the casino rather than play it out at least until the streak was over.

I'm not really much of a blackjack player but if I was and I was winning like that I'd probably be too excited to quit playing and start making videos of my game history and videos of the blackjack table instead of playing. I don't know. I'm just thinking out loud.

It's probably nothing.

(That was my best Columbo impression.)

 

[Janek12]

I'm wondering why an experienced gambler in the middle of a good run would take the time to start making videos of the casino rather than play it out at least until the streak was over.

On the second page of her video, she wrote that she won "more than 135,000 USD" during a period of two months so I think the winnings are not a result of a single winning streak.

I also think that if she were really an experienced black jack player, she would not get too excited by a winning streak because she would know that it can end anytime abruptly and may seamlessly change into a horrible losing streak...
Also, from what I gathered from the video (apart from the mention that she has been amassing her winnings over a period of two months), I would assume it was not some kind of a single fantastic continuous streak because she states she used some kind of a negative progression (increased bet after loss). So I would assume it was a streak in the sense that she did not encounter a high number of losses in a row for many hands - and this is exactly the kind of situation in which a player can increase the bankroll dramatically.
I cannot find anything suspicious about this but will be curious to see the result of a possible PAB.
But I think it speaks volumes that the casino had paid numerous big withdrawals - according to the video - and did not find anything suspicious. And I would imagine that a casino carries out a thorough check before paying several tens of thousands of dollars. It seems to me that only later did the casino find a dubious opportunity to deny winnings and jumped to take advantage of it.
But I have been fooled by some posters before... So this is of course just my interpretation and opinion.

 

[skiny]

On the second page of her video, she wrote that she won "more than 135,000 USD" during a period of two months so I think the winnings are not a result of a single winning streak.

I also think that if she were really an experienced black jack player, she would not get too excited by a winning streak because she would know that it can end anytime abruptly and may seamlessly change into a horrible losing streak...
Also, from what I gathered from the video (apart from the mention that she has been amassing her winnings over a period of two months), I would assume it was not some kind of a single fantastic continuous streak because she states she used some kind of a negative progression (increased bet after loss). So I would assume it was a streak in the sense that she did not encounter a high number of losses in a row for many hands - and this is exactly the kind of situation in which a player can increase the bankroll dramatically.
I cannot find anything suspicious about this but will be curious to see the result of a possible PAB.
But I think it speaks volumes that the casino had paid numerous big withdrawals - according to the video - and did not find anything suspicious. And I would imagine that a casino carries out a thorough check before paying several tens of thousands of dollars. It seems to me that only later did the casino find a dubious opportunity to deny winnings and jumped to take advantage of it.
But I have been fooled by some posters before... So this is of course just my interpretation and opinion.

*Puts trench coat back on.*

Well, Like I said I'm not really much of a blackjack player so I wouldn't now about these fancy systems and betting strategies. I have to say I'm impressed though. Building a bankroll of over 25 times her original $5000 is no small feat playing blackjack in just a couple of months. Not for me anyway. I'm sure it's not everyday elderly women can sit in front of their computers and turn a $130,000 profit in just a couple of months. What is she? 77 years old?

I remember my Grandmother used to tell me stories about the bingo hall. She might only win a few hundred. Certainly not 130 thousand. She did like to tell stories though. I wonder if Mirra likes to tell stories about playing blackjack. It might be fun for someone who can talk to her in her own language. She could tell them about how she likes to bet and what kind of strategies she likes to use.

Old people do like to talk.

Say, does anyone have a light? I seem to have lost my lighter again.

 

[P.V.]

The OP clearly had access to an account with some major money, now it's gone. Locked out.

The email states clearly it's because the OP doesn't speak English but rather during communications she had another person help with translation. What's wrong with that?

No mention of bot use, my first thought. She also advised her doc's were in order from another withdraw and we all know if she withdrew 50 or 60 grand once before then everything but DNA was checked including bots or whatever.

Biometrics aren't in play so an online casino can't just suspect IMO.

Do we even know if the support person talking to the OP could speak her language and therefore the need for translation from someone else?

My suggestion to the OP is to have your attorney, the one you mentioned in the video to contact Max if in fact you're the real deal and have him file a PAB on your behalf, that is if Max would agree. Since you state you have legal counsel that's already spoken with the licensed authority then he should have complete details. Including that you're for real and not someone pulling everyone's tail in the forum.

Again it's the internet but dang that's a lot of money and needs to be investigated regardless.

 

[maxd]

There are serious problems with the PAB idea, as detailed in the recent Warning re 888: https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...perties-are-ignoring-player-complaints.53093/

I'll be contacting the OP to discuss options.

 

[Balthazar]

The email states clearly it's because the OP doesn't speak English but rather during communications she had another person help with translation. What's wrong with that?

Here, I've highlighted the important part of the email.