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2000 on hold in VC Casino, what to do?

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Arutha

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Has anyone got any advice for me? Recently through a combination of feeling pigheadedly invulnerable and a few cans of beer, I ended up chasing Blackjack losses to the point I stupidly put on a 2000 bet, which I could just about afford:eek2:, but that's my savings gone. I got 11 whist the dealer got a 4 :what:. Naturally the "right" thing to do is Double it but I can't really afford to outlay another 2K. I figure that there must be some way though to make some form of deal with somebody where they take the proceeds of the double part, (risk and reward) whilst I take the original bet part. I then get some kind of premium from the double. Unfortunately I have no idea how to contact someone who may be interested, not sure what a fair premium would be (maybe 100?), or how to make sure that both sides know the deal is on the level. If it comes down to it I'll have to just Hit, but what a waste.

So anybody got any hints on how to proceed?
 
Wow.

You want one of us to part with 2k to a new member for a blackjack bet? Simply because of the stupidity of this post I would love to nominate it. But I'm not going to.

Who's to say you double and get an ace, or any other card for that matter. The dealer could still hit 21.

I've got some hints for you. You're chasing losses, you placing bets you can't afford to make. "Naturally the right thing to do" is to not do it in the first place if you can't afford it. Especially as your profile lists you as 'unemployed'. Seriously, these are bad times for getting jobs. Blowing silly money on gambling is not good. Quit now is all I'm going to say. Those are bad signs.

As are coming to us with preposterous requests. Even if this post made my night :D
 
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2) Don't play online when drunk!
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Don't tell me how to play..............hehe, :cool:

First off, to the OP, even if you wanted to transfer 2k more of your own money into your account, i do not see how you could do it, and still keep the same HAND at BJ active?

Next, Unless you have a Video Cam, that can be turned around to point at the Screen, it would be really hard to PROVE you lost the bet.
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Splitting, and being able to double down is how you make money at BJ. If you make a bet, that will prevent you from being able to do this, then either you bet to much, or your bankroll was to small. HIT, as there is no other option.
 
Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt:

We're all gamblers here, but what we consider gambling is a calculated risk. Seeing as how you've just joined, I seriously doubt anyone is going to take you up on this "offer." Your request is similar to me going up to a stranger on the street and asking the same request of them.

Why would you want someone to take half of your action? What happens if the deal did go down and you got an ace, and the dealer pulled a 17 out of their hat? Now instead of being 2000 down, you're down 2100.

(again, see the first sentence of my post)

You, my friend, are addicted to gambling. The first sign of this ugly demon rears its head in the form of chasing losses. Drunk or not, this is the underlying issue. The second form comes into the play with the "I can't lose!" mentality. You just assume that the next card will be a 10, giving you 21, the dealer will bust out, and everyone lives happily ever after. Before you start shaking your head, I've been there, so I know what I'm talking about.

My advice? Play out the hand like you normally would, but without doubling. Then, win or lose, STOP.

If you go down losing, at least then you won't be dragging anyone else with you.
 
winbig said:
Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt:

We're all gamblers here, but what we consider gambling is a calculated risk. Seeing as how you've just joined, I seriously doubt anyone is going to take you up on this "offer." Your request is similar to me going up to a stranger on the street and asking the same request of them.
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Indeed the problem.

Why would you want someone to take half of your action? What happens if the deal did go down and you got an ace, and the dealer pulled a 17 out of their hat? Now instead of being 2000 down, you're down 2100.
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Nope, he wants to sell the double part for 100, so he'd be down 1900.

My advice? Play out the hand like you normally would, but without doubling. Then, win or lose, STOP.
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Actually what he's doing is seeking to reduce his risk. Which is good. By doubling with somebody else's money, there's less risk than by hitting. Obviously the trust issue is the problem however, but the principle is good.

It's not clear what cards the OP got, either 9/2, 8/3, 7/4, or 6/5. This affects things a little. Worst case is obviously 9/2, because the 9 is gone (double or hit, 11 vs 4 is always going to be only 1 card taken, so 10 is best, followed by 9, 8, 7, 6, with 5,4,3,2,a all equally bad).

The player's EV is 570-582 depending on his hand composition. If he doubles, that would be 1140-1164.

So he could sell the action to a prop better for anything up to 582 possibly. A sale at 300 would be a very good deal for the buyer - he'd have 15% edge, but obviously the OP has zero credibility, so it's a bad idea for that reason.
 
In case anybody who read the thread cares,

I got a friend of my Dad's who likes betting on the horses but has never come closer to Blackjack than playing Pontoon in a pub to take the double for 100.

It didn't look good when I got a 6, but a 9 and a Q later and I'm 2100 up, my Dad's mate is 1900 up and Victor got a spanking.:D

I think I'll give it a miss from now on though, there are no decent bonuses to be had anywhere.
 
NON STARTER

Hi,

It is unfortunate that you did not have sufficient funds to place the bet you desired.

It is against the casinos ethics for you to be pooling your funds and would not allow it no matter how pretty a picture you paint.



:lolup::lolup::lolup:
 
Arutha said:
I think I'll give it a miss from now on though, there are no decent bonuses to be had anywhere.
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I think you have more to worry about than bonuses.

as anyone got any advice for me? Recently through a combination of feeling pigheadedly invulnerable and a few cans of beer, I ended up chasing Blackjack losses to the point I stupidly put on a 2000 bet, which I could just about afford, but that's my savings gone.
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I missed this thread completely but frankly I dont believe a single word from the OP. He was asking for someone to chip in 2K and he only wanted 100 as a reward. Normally that would be an incentive but he already has 2K engaged in the game and should have concentrated on that instead. From being drunk and betting 2K to being sober enough to try and gain a measly 5%of his outlay, I really have my doubts on this one.
 
chuchu59 said:
I missed this thread completely but frankly I don't believe a single word from the OP. He was asking for someone to chip in 2K and he only wanted 100 as a reward. Normally that would be an incentive but he already has 2K engaged in the game and should have concentrated on that instead. From being drunk and betting 2K to being sober enough to try and gain a measly 5%of his outlay, I really have my doubts on this one.
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Well, he was advised to simply "hit" rather than "double" and hopefully retrieve $2000. It seems he was in so deep that he needed to risk the double, yet it seems this only yielded him an extra $100, yet looked like a right pain in the a*** to set up. Furthermore, he risked the casino taking exception to him "selling the action" to another player, which could have resulted in his account being flagged, and a possible dispute over payment.

Since this was his savings gone, I am a little puzzled as to how he could access SAVINGS so quickly and place them into a casino, all whilst under the influence of alcohol. Unlike normal bank accounts, there is usually a delay in moving savings to where they can be deposited into a casino, especially in such volumes as $2000 in one go. I can easily deposit lumps of 2000 into ACCREDITED casinos, but my BANK cards will flag & decline such large deposits, and I would have to phone them, or them phone me, before they would unblock the card. This would again introduce a delay, or "cooling off period" into the process.

The OP, having retrieved his savings, should now deposit them somewhere where they are DAMN HARD TO GET AT, so that this alcohol induced frenzy cannot recur.
 
If this did go the way you said, then 'well done'...if that is the appropriate statement.

But surely in hindsight you have to realise what a ridiculous offer your initial post was. Personally, even if one of the longstanding members of this forum - with no disrepect to them - made the same offer, I wouldn't have considered it. Partly because I would expect them to possess common sense, and secondly, because if I so desired to play blackjack at 2000 hands, I would do so without needing other members to present me with such an offer.

As Vinyl said, you seriously need to think about how easily you can access your accounts if drunkenness made you place a 2 grand bet.
 
kmay87 said:
If this did go the way you said, then 'well done'...if that is the appropriate statement.

But surely in hindsight you have to realise what a ridiculous offer your initial post was. Personally, even if one of the longstanding members of this forum - with no disrepect to them - made the same offer, I wouldn't have considered it. Partly because I would expect them to possess common sense, and secondly, because if I so desired to play blackjack at 2000 hands, I would do so without needing other members to present me with such an offer.

As Vinyl said, you seriously need to think about how easily you can access your accounts if drunkenness made you place a 2 grand bet.
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ridiculous offer? :confused: lol. He was offering about 400 of expected value there. If you play casinos you more than likely take -EV nearly all the time. So this was one of the best ever offers most people are likely to come accross. If I had a bit bigger float and I met the guy I would have done it.

Think about what u saying before you start having a go at the guy
 
tonyg82 said:
ridiculous offer? :confused: lol. He was offering about 400 of expected value there. If you play casinos you more than likely take -EV nearly all the time. So this was one of the best ever offers most people are likely to come accross. If I had a bit bigger float and I met the guy I would have done it.

Think about what u saying before you start having a go at the guy
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That of would of been your decision, not the majority. I wouldn't do it and the 100's of members on this site would not do it either. If they would have lost then what? The whole thing was handled wrong from the get-go.
 
Myself, recently becoming a new member here, I have read many posts and will only try to contribute if I think I have something worthy to say.

We have a hard enough time trusting the casinos online, let alone a obvious fraud (OP). It's also obvious the only backer he has here (tonyg82) is a first time poster also. Hmmmmmmmmm, friend of OP ???????????????

Yet, this thread got 25 responses actually 26 with this one. Many responses are from good people trying to give good advice.

Maybe its my age and life experiences to this point showing, but if their were zero responses to this thread, I would of been impressed that no one here was that gullible to waste their time.
 
4 of a kind said:
Myself, recently becoming a new member here, I have read many posts and will only try to contribute if I think I have something worthy to say.

We have a hard enough time trusting the casinos online, let alone a obvious fraud (OP). It's also obvious the only backer he has here (tonyg82) is a first time poster also. Hmmmmmmmmm, friend of OP ???????????????

Yet, this thread got 25 responses actually 26 with this one. Many responses are from good people trying to give good advice.

Maybe its my age and life experiences to this point showing, but if their were zero responses to this thread, I would of been impressed that no one here was that gullible to waste their time.
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It's not just the posters in this thread, it's more about the lurkers that might not know any better and might have taken the OP up on his 'offer.' If there were no replies about how bad this offer was, lurkers might be inclined to actually jump at it...

The same goes for someone posting, err, shilling, about how great a rogue casino treated them...we all know how bad these rogue casinos are, but if nobody came in to reply about how bad that casino is, then someone might come along and think that since someone posted a positive review about that rogue casino, then it might be worth playing there..

That's the great thing about this CM community....most everyone here looks out for each other. Whether or not the community knows the person they're looking out for is irrelevant...
 
winbig said:
It's not just the posters in this thread, it's more about the lurkers that might not know any better and might have taken the OP up on his 'offer.' If there were no replies about how bad this offer was, lurkers might be inclined to actually jump at it...

The same goes for someone posting, err, shilling, about how great a rogue casino treated them...we all know how bad these rogue casinos are, but if nobody came in to reply about how bad that casino is, then someone might come along and think that since someone posted a positive review about that rogue casino, then it might be worth playing there..
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Point well taken.....
 
4 of a kind said:
Myself, recently becoming a new member here, I have read many posts and will only try to contribute if I think I have something worthy to say.

We have a hard enough time trusting the casinos online, let alone a obvious fraud (OP). It's also obvious the only backer he has here (tonyg82) is a first time poster also. Hmmmmmmmmm, friend of OP ???????????????

Yet, this thread got 25 responses actually 26 with this one. Many responses are from good people trying to give good advice.

Maybe its my age and life experiences to this point showing, but if their were zero responses to this thread, I would of been impressed that no one here was that gullible to waste their time.
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I don't know the OP.
The offer had a positive expected value, so I was just disagreeing with the people posting saying things like it was a 'Ridiculous Offer'. It was a good offer, the only question was whether or not you trusted the OP, which was a seperate issue.
 
kmay87 said:
Was it a good offer though? If someone could afford to play 1k hands of blackjack, the way I see it is they wouldn't need someone to make them an offer for them to play it.
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Yes it had positive expected value, so it was a good offer.
The OP's financial situation has no bearing on expected value of the offer. I think he used up all his cash, so didn't have enough to double it.
 
Positive expected value?

Not really. I give some guy 1100 quid in the hope that he will win and I'll get another 800 in return. But where was the proof? He could have taken it and ran, with my only proof being comments on a message board.

Alternatively, I could just play a two grand hand of blackjack and keep all the winnings.

But I didn't and don't want to, so I'm not going to take up someone else's offer. Apart from the post seeming to be a windup, the OP had told us he was drunk when he made the bet and couldn't afford it. Even if there may have been potential profit, there was too little confidence in the OP for anyone to consider it.
 
kmay87 said:
Positive expected value?

Not really. I give some guy 1100 quid in the hope that he will win and I'll get another 800 in return. But where was the proof? He could have taken it and ran, with my only proof being comments on a message board.

Alternatively, I could just play a two grand hand of blackjack and keep all the winnings.

But I didn't and don't want to, so I'm not going to take up someone else's offer. Apart from the post seeming to be a windup, the OP had told us he was drunk when he made the bet and couldn't afford it. Even if there may have been potential profit, there was too little confidence in the OP for anyone to consider it.
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I'm assuming his offer was valid. I'm not saying anything about the OP's reliability. It may be fake yes. I'm just saying if it's a real offer, it's a better one than you will get playing blackjack normally as 11v4 has a better chance of winning than a normal hand where you don't know the cards.

And yes, it had a positive expected value. If you don't understand this you will lose money in casinos in the long run for sure. ;)
 
Believe me, I took more than enough out of the casinos when they kept flooding my inbox with bonuses on blackjack to understand how the game works :D

But the OP, as far as my memory serves me, didn't say what the cards were. That could have drastically changed things.

My comments about the expected value were simple. He wanted 1000 for the bet, and another 100 for the privilege of granting the opportunity. So say I gave him that 1100. Thus a 2k bet. If it wins, I'm up 900. I haven't even doubled my money.

I'd have been much better off betting on Everton to beat Man Utd in the FA Cup today. Oh yeah, I did :D
 
kmay87 said:
I'd have been much better off betting on Everton to beat Man Utd in the FA Cup today. Oh yeah, I did :D
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I rarely bet, but had 10 on Man Utd to win on penalties. Would have layed it off to lock in a profit had I been asleep for when the penalties started.
 
kmay87 said:
My comments about the expected value were simple. He wanted 1000 for the bet, and another 100 for the privilege of granting the opportunity. So say I gave him that 1100. Thus a 2k bet. If it wins, I'm up 900. I haven't even doubled my money.
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I think he wanted 2100 and if the bet wins, you get back 4000, paying 100 for the advantage. In 11 vs. 4 situation you have more than 50% chance of winning so it is a good bet to take.

Regarding the trust issue I am sure that exchanging phone numbers, IDs, utility bills and making a written contract which is valid in court would help. Also with remote desktop software you could see the bet being played and withdrawal being requested on his computer.
 
Jufo said:
I think he wanted 2100 and if the bet wins, you get back 4000, paying 100 for the advantage. In 11 vs. 4 situation you have more than 50% chance of winning so it is a good bet to take.

Regarding the trust issue I am sure that exchanging phone numbers, IDs, utility bills and making a written contract which is valid in court would help. Also with remote desktop software you could see the bet being played and withdrawal being requested on his computer.
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Would anyone really have gone to that extent though? Seems a lot of hassle to me...
 
kmay87 said:
Would anyone really have gone to that extent though? Seems a lot of hassle to me...
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Well it is just sending a couple of scanned documents so I don't know if it is too much hassle. I have actually done something a bit similar in the past. The most problematic part is of course whether the written argeement would hold in court if "gambling debts" are not enforceable in the eyes of law.

I once speculated what I would do if I got a royal flush in Cyberstud poker with 50 ante. That bet pays either 100 000 (dealer qualifies) or 50 (dealer doesn't qualify). Both outcomes have roughly 50/50 chance. I would probably try to sell the unfinished for 40 000 to somebody ;)
 
FWIW i would pay 2100 for the bet.

but not to a randomer. theres too many frauders around for that.

i would in a B&M casino, or someone i knew and was at the comp with.

personally tho, i would never offer it. i'd just hit and hope. also eg 9v6 you could hit a 2 then a 10, so ur actually better off hitting than doubling.
 
grr

Talk about anticipation did u finally give in to ur gambling impulses got drunk again and said I'm gonna hit? what happened
Obviously an unemployed guy either killed somebody is dealing drugs or holy crap u must be addicted to be betting that much are u trying to liquidate urself maybe u have some under the table income who are we to judge I have seen plenty of unemployed folks with a big stack
 
Avatar73 said:
personally tho, i would never offer it. i'd just hit and hope. also eg 9v6 you could hit a 2 then a 10, so ur actually better off hitting than doubling.
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This is one reason why you should never put your entire bankroll (unless you can reload) on one hand. You should always leave yourself half of your stake so you can double &/or split if given the chance. You're only going to lose money in the long run if you don't double hands like this one.

And if you think that you should just hit and not double a hand such as this under normal circumstances, you need to study BS a little more...
 

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