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Discussion in 'Help Wanted Ads' started by Shyguy, May 18, 2010.

    May 18, 2010
  1. Shyguy

    Shyguy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Earth...unfortunately.
    Hello to all!

    With permission from CM himself I have been allowed to request your help with my new site xxhttp://www.slotistics.com which is looking to collect as many statistics regarding online stats as possible.

    There has always been doubt and question marks over RTP's so I have designed a form that can be completed with info such as total staked, total won or lost, cost per spin, free spins won, bonus games won etc.. I then compile this info into a spreadsheet which then gives us a players RTP and some more stats, depending on how well this goes I will look to produce more and more stats and hopefully soon, perhaps even RTP's per slot machine.

    I have so far collected about 120 playing stats, mostly from myself playing and collated the data, this info can be seen on the site but I will be happy to place on the forum here if I get enough guinea pigs! Results so far are quite interesting with only two platforms actually going over the 70% RTP mark, our stats also currently show that RTG provide more free spins per dollar than others - BUT - It's still not enough and I need as much data as possible to make it as accurate as possible.

    I know that there is room to manipulate our data so I will be looking for any very strange patterns occurring, but obviously, the more honest you are the more honest the stats will be. The downside to the form is that you have to enter an e-mail address. Whilst your addresses will be in my inbox I will not be using them for any statistics or as a way of sending you any crap. If this does worry you I will be happy to create a few e-mail accounts and passwords for you to use to send the stats to me. All separate stats will be kept private. I will not be posting "Holy shit - maxd won $7000 yesterday!"

    So far I have collated some data for May but I hope that in the coming months and years that I can provide graphs and charts to show any differences in the RTP's over those periods to give us a better look at which platform and possibly slot machine is performing better than others.

    This is totally new and I am open to all suggestions, I hope to upgrade the form regularly to include other things that anyone feels should be measured. Re-trigger rate and total win versus actual stake are two that have been mentioned. There is currently room for varied stakes but this will take a little time in producing. IE Do 20 cent spins produce better RTP's than $1 spins.

    I hope you will find this an interesting project and hope that many of you will join in. As I mentioned previously I am open to all suggestions regarding slots statistics so a brain storming session here at CM would be very helpful.

    Many thanks to all in advance!

    ShyGuy :thumbsup:
     
  2. May 18, 2010
  3. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    So how do we go about sending you our logs? Do we request these logs from the casino? I have requested them a few trimes without success from different casinos . How does one get them if the casino ignores you ?

    I would love to send inmy logs of the past if they are still avvailable. I think it is a GREAT project!

    .
     
  4. May 18, 2010
  5. Shyguy

    Shyguy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Earth...unfortunately.
    If you do not get any joy from the casinos (Most don't) Then I recommend you do the following, it worked for me, can be a bit confusing at first but you soon get the hang of it.

    You basically jot down down....


    Software Company.
    Slot machine.
    Your starting total stake.
    Amount of spins. (That's the hardest part)
    Amount of free spins you win or don't.
    Amount of bonus games you win or don't.
    Total in account at end of session. IE you start with $25, you spin 126 times, and leave the slot with $4.00

    The part on "spins you make" is something I have to implement into the form as at the moment we are only working on % per $.

    The form is on the site on the left menu, still a very small site.
     
  6. May 18, 2010
  7. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    Software RTP's May 2010.

    Rival 66.15%
    RTG 50.13%
    Cryptologic 64.22%
    Playtech 82.22%
    Microgaming 70.40%
    Top Game 64.49%
    Boss Media n/a%

    That's a sad, sad state of affairs there if you ask me...

    I think you should also add to this table how many respondents this, these stats are from or how many sessions they are based on.
    ____
    ____
     
  8. May 18, 2010
  9. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

    Occupation:
    Not in workforce
    Location:
    Ontario
    Shyguy, I appreciate your efforts, I really do. But that is too much like work for me, I'm sorry. I want my slot play to be relaxing, not note-taking.

    There was a thread recently where a number of us did just that http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/37548-typical-real-time-gaming-session-me-bonus.html

    While it was an interesting exercise, it is not something I want to do on a regular basis. I gather this is the type of thing you are looking for.

    I hope you find some volunteers.
     
  10. May 18, 2010
  11. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

    Occupation:
    Crusader
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario - Canada
    I think it's an outstanding idea Shyguy, and many thanks for undertaking it.

    That thread that Jasminebed mentioned I started...but honestly, haven't really played RTG since then, which is why I haven't added to it. But I will be playing one night this week, and will make sure to keep track of everything. I always do this for RTG anyway, solely because most of the time I use a bonus, and that's how I track my playthrough.

    Unfortunately, when I play MG or 3Dice, I generally don't track spins as much, because it's usually bonus free play.

    But super idea. :thumbsup:

    EDIT: The thread that Jazzie referenced? Feel free to grab my stats out of there if you'd like, they are pretty detailed.
     
  12. May 18, 2010
  13. Shyguy

    Shyguy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Earth...unfortunately.
    Thanks for the great feed back so far guys and girls.

    So far I have only collected 120 ish sets of stats which is not enough to paint a fair picture.

    I do feel It is a lot of work for players to start taking notes but even if you sent in one set each month it would be enough. I really want to get a full on picture and even if I only collect 200 stats from 200 players in one month it will give me something worth sharing.

    There does not have to be a minimum either, some of my stats are only from $8 sessions where some have won and some have lost, different sections on sessions, IE $0-$50 and $51-$100 wagered is something I will look to do at a later date.

    I really appreciate the feedback though, and already I can see where I can make improvements. :notworthy
     
  14. May 18, 2010
  15. Shyguy

    Shyguy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Earth...unfortunately.
    Thanks Pinababy I will look to take them onboard and add to our tables.
     
  16. May 18, 2010
  17. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

    Occupation:
    Not in workforce
    Location:
    Ontario
    Please feel free to use mine from that thread as well.
     
  18. May 18, 2010
  19. ksech

    ksech Dormant account

    Occupation:
    yes
    Location:
    Here
    You are more than welcome to use my stats also, there are two posts detaling spin counts/wins/bonuses/features etc. The last post contains times of day the games were played (not sure if that will be relevant for you) and the rest before I busted out.
     
  20. May 18, 2010
  21. Shyguy

    Shyguy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Earth...unfortunately.
    Eventually that would be a great stat, that will take time to implement though, can you imagine better payouts at different times in different countries! There are no limits really to what sort of info I try and collect.
     
  22. May 18, 2010
  23. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Interesting project. I would add one idea into the mix though - if it's not in there already.

    If you are collecting logs, you ought to register the "peak balance" in a session and factor that in somehow.

    95% of slots sessions will end up as losing sessions and show an RTP well below what is expected because the nature of any type of gambling is to carry on beyond what would be the "optimal position". Partly because no-one can ever know what the optimal position is and partly because we are looking to achieve a goal that, on balance, may not be achievable within the RTP expectation of the game being played.

    I'm no mathematician, but the peak balance has to be an important factor in RTP. If a player plays on beyond this point and turns a winning position into a losing position (or a lesser winning position), I would have thought you'll never get the RTP even remotely close to expectations.

    Zoozie is probably the man to comment on this if he's around.
     
  24. May 18, 2010
  25. Shyguy

    Shyguy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Earth...unfortunately.
    Thanks simmo that is a big factor to consider. Some of the stats already added from my own game play have included sessions where I have been in profit and then lost a little before ending the session. I guess in a perfect world it would be best if everyone just gambled $100, 100 times @ $1 and then work it from their. Measuring the "tip point" as I like to call it will take quite a formula and a lot more work for the players who just want to play.

    I will see how things go by the end of the month and decide what "extra's" to add maybe for June. Nonetheless I think the stats will be of real interest to most.
     
  26. May 18, 2010
  27. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Caregiver/homemaker
    Location:
    Arizona

    Yes, sad, very sad!!!!! But surprised, no.
     
  28. May 19, 2010
  29. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    I decided to take you up on this trial and found out I do not think I will go any further but this one shot.

    Deposited $50 at RTG Clubworld 7:30 PM All lines played
    48 spins at $1.25 on Inspector slot then busted out.
    Deposited once more $50 All lines played
    Played Robertas Castle and at 57 spins @ 80 cents hit bonus round for $34.56 then spun until I hit a total of 70 spins, balance was $52 when I changed games to:
    Played Haunted Opera @ 80 cents no bonus busted out @ 124 spins

    so....I do not think anything has changed...just my opinion and a months worth of gambling funds for testing. Very small sampling but to play at an RTG, nowadays, it will cost HUGE to get a decent size sample.

    .
     
  30. May 19, 2010
  31. Shyguy

    Shyguy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Earth...unfortunately.
    That's great! That's just the sort of info I am looking for, I will stick this into the speadsheet and update the stats as and when. I will also add the other stats from the previous threads.

    Those new to this, you can either add them here or prefered would be the form on the list. I do not have any stats at all from Boss Media so if any of you can add to that too It would be much appreciated.
     
  32. May 19, 2010
  33. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    How did you calculate the RTP Rob out of interest?
     
  34. May 19, 2010
  35. Shyguy

    Shyguy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Earth...unfortunately.
    Simmo that was done on my site. I have a spreadsheet with numerous calculations on there. RTP goes very much like this.

    Total Amount won/lost X 100
    Total amount wagered

    The total amount wagered should not include any actual winnings, IE if the player wagers 100 and wins 30 at the end of wagering 100 then the RTP would be calculated as 30%. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    I have received more stats over the last 24 hours and things are looking a bit better for some of the software platforms, will update as soon as possible.

    xxhttp://www.slotistics.com
     
  36. May 19, 2010
  37. darkpixie

    darkpixie Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Vancouver
    This is a great idea and I have a suggestion, I don't know if you are good at programming or have a friend that can do it, but a users panel where they enter the information as they play would blow this thing right out of the water and provide live stats for players.
     
  38. May 19, 2010
  39. Shyguy

    Shyguy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Earth...unfortunately.
    It is a good idea, do you mean spin by spin though as a lot of players would not be up for that - it would take far too long and most do want to try and enjoy the game.

    It is however something I will look into, in the meantime we are collecting data on our form which collects the majority of data needed for the time being, I will be updating the stats on the site at the end of the month and will be posting them here too.
     

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