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Winnings confiscation based on multiple accounts from same I.P or computer

But i have only registered 1 account per i.p address as per , "that have registered only one account (it is not allowed to register more than one account per person and IP address)"

In the terms they are speaking to you as an individual , So as an individual i have only registered 1 account per person and per i.p address
You the individual can only have one account per person and i.p , so i have done this as has my partner , we both have 1 account registered to one i.p address ,

It looks like its saying you the individual cannot have multiple accounts or accounts in different names registered at different I.P addresses

I know what other sites say , But this does not appear to , Or at least if it applies here to its not worded correctly which is technically the contract ,
To be fair its ambiguous and can be interpreted both ways which again is not clear
Are you getting your conclusion from what you think they are trying to say with there wording or what you think there saying based on what other sites would say as to me ( again probably due to the wording ) its unclear .


For crying out loud.

It says ONLY ONE account per person and IP address.

What's unclear about that?

If it really IS unclear to you.....then the time to CLARIFY it was BEFORE you registered.

It's pointless studying them in hindsight and saying "Oh I didn't understand blah blah".

When you created your account, you AGREED to be bound by the rules and confirmed that you UNDERSTOOD the rules.
I think everyone has been very patient and tried to explain how things work. I even answered your direct questions, which you ignored.

If you think you've been stooged, then as they say "sh#t....or get off the potty". In other words, submit a PAB and stop wasting your time trying to convince the wrong people I.e. us and yourself that you were ripped off. Here's the link:

https://www.casinomeister.com/player-arbitration-pab/
 
I am drawing my conclusion based on how I interpret their terms.
Person & IP address are not mutually exclusive:

The same person cannot be registered at multiple IP addresses.
The same IP cannot have multiple registered users using it.

1 person
and
1 IP address

no duplication of either is allowed. That is how I read it.
It would be helpful if they provided examples of places and situations where this can occur as some sites do, but I don't think they are obligated to do so. Someone would always complain that they didn't specifically mention some place so it should not count. Maybe that's why they chose not to name any example.
 
The only issue I had was the use of the word fraud. Fraudulent players should be banned.

As for having multiple accounts using the same IP address, it's not really all that hard to figure out. If the only rule the casino has regarding this is the use of the bonuses then the simple solution is to ask before you take them.

It's a pain in the ass but if you're going to gamble online from a computer that shares it's IP address with other computers, you're either going to find out first or find out later.

Take your pick.
 
Thank googobucs you have been very helpful with all this .
Again sorry for banging my head against a brick wall but i guess its just because i find the ruling a bit daft as it means so many people can accidently fall foul of it , I mean there could be someone in the guesthouse right now signing up for that site completly unaware that the i.p has been used ( far fetched i know , but i'm sure its happened before many times ) and the bonus aswell of course who then wins money and has it took off them even though they have done everything correctly as when they signed up they would have been creating 1 account per person per I.P ,

And to my earlier point if you think that the I.P is recorded on registration ,Although as you said its the customers my fault ,Should the casino be making them aware asap , We know that if you use duplicate email addy when trying to register somewhere you get a warning right away ,When you perhaps forget you have used a site before ,Like i said in this case a player could make any amount of losing deposits before getting a win only to get it confiscated ,Of course this again is the players fault ultimately but can casinos prey on this as it is a no lose situation ?
thanks
 
Also earlier in the thread someone said this
"It's about BONUSES. Just about EVERY casino I know has a "ONE BONUS per IP/Computer/school/etc/etc" rule and they ENFORCE it. Are you saying that pretty much ALL of the accredited casinos are ROGUE? "

I'm not doubting the poster but more a question , If like you said one per school or something similar how would one person know from the next if somebody had or hadn't already opened an account using that i.p or computer etc..
Now if it was opened using the same email address or bank card was used you would be alerted to this right away as being duplicate but this wasnt the case for the I.P address ,If there was a message when signing up i would not have gone ahead ,
Again yes this was my fault , But in other cases ,Like you mentioned above in places were there may be many many individuals at say a place of work ,college etc.. How could one person know if somebody has already made an account on that computer , I know this is not the case for me but would being unknowing or oblivious really be a case of fraud ?

This is the problem. The terms assume a knowledge of at least the technical basics of how the internet works, so are not worded in a language that a mere user can relate to in terms of a computer sat in front of them. many therefore interpret the term "person" in the ordinary sense, so that so long as you stick to one account as a person, you are fine. The trouble is, you are NOT fine, far from it. In order to be safe, you have to have absolute control over the computers you use and where you use them so that you can determine whether another account has ever been opened at the same casino by another individual.

Your girlfriend has no chance, so many people share a common connection that it's a matter of when, rather than if, there will end up being more than one account at a particular casino deemed to be from the "same entity".

Had you waited till the laptop charged up, you would STILL have had the same problem. Although you would have registered on separate machines, both registrations would have been tagged to the same "wire in the wall", or wireless hotspot. As far as casinos are concerned, this constitutes multi accounting. If anyone else had used that same connection with their machines, all the accounts would still be tagged as multiple accounts.

Even if you are allowed to select between yourselves which bonus to play, you still might run into problems if there is another account tagged to you, perhaps a guest at your girlfriend's location, or someone else who used the connection where you both registered.

The casino isn't really being fair, it's giving itself another bite at the cherry, you won the first time around, but next time you might lose.

The casinos assume that there is no such thing as an innocent circumstance that would throw up phantom connections, they assume they are all deliberate attempts to get one over on the casino which got caught out because it wasn't done well enough. They will think that if you really were innocent, you would have asked beforehand. The problem with this idea is that in order to ask, you have to know that two different people who live at two completely different addresses could somehow end up being tagged as one pair of "illegal" multiple accounts.

With you and your girlfriend resident in different countries, it's NOT against the terms for you to both play the same bonuses. Even close family members can all play the same bonuses in the same circumstances. It's all a technicality surrounding how the internet works, where it's not your identities that determine whether you are different individuals, but the data your machines and ISP send back to the server.

Had you registered at home, and your girlfriend likewise, there would have been no problem, and never would be. Had you both lost, there would have been no problem, and not until one of you had won would the casino have mentioned there being this problem.

Experienced players don't tend to get caught out like this, because they have more of an in depth knowledge of how things work, and would know how dangerous it is playing away from their own internet connection. Where they do play away, they would make sure they were able to know enough detail about the away connection and it's users' activities to ensure that the casino they are about to play has never been played by another on that connection.

I can be 100% sure MY away connection is safe, it's my Mum's, and she absolutely does not gamble. It's also secured, so no neighbour can sneak on and freeload to open an account at a casino I play at.

Connections at hotels, public hotspots, internet cafes, are NOT safe. Anyone could have used them to open casino accounts, and because of their public nature, they are likely to be frequented by scammers wanting to make damn sure their home address can't be traced from their online activities.
 
Some casinos won't allow you to have more than one account per IP, nevermind taking bonuses at more than one. I don't know how new you are to online gaming, but multi-accounting is one of the main ways that players will try to defraud the casino. For instance, say I'm a fraudulent player, I open an account in my name, I take the big SUB and lose. Then I open another account in my mom's name - she has a different name and address but I can get hold of her ID if I need it, I take the SUB and lose again. Now I sign up as my boyfriend who lives at another address, take the SUB and win really big, now I can cash out. Then casino security takes a look and sees that all three of these accounts were from the same IP, of course they won't pay me.

I remember hearing about one player (who used to be a member here BTW) who had opened 40+ accounts with one casino to take advantage of free chips and big sign up bonuses. :eek2:

I'm not saying that's the case with you, I'm just explaining why the casinos have this term - and no multiple accounts is a rule at MOST casinos, so if you're going to be playing online you'd better get used to it.
 
The terms assume a knowledge of at least the technical basics of how the internet works.

Great point. My elderly parent probably think an IP address is the location for the bathroom.
I'm sure this thread has been helpful to a lot of people and will continue to help folks for a long time in the future.

In order to be safe, you have to have absolute control over the computers you use and where you use them.

I think this is just plain good advice for any situation.


Had you waited till the laptop charged up, you would STILL have had the same problem. Although you would have registered on separate machines, both registrations would have been tagged to the same "wire in the wall".

First off, I'm not a Networking expert, but I believe in reality she would have been assigned a new IP address by his ISP. Every computer must have a unique IP on the network. For example, I am sitting in my home office at my desk top. My lap top is on a TV tray in the living room. Both are turned on and have been assigned different IP addresses by my ISP.
 
Vinyl

You do NOT need a working knowledge of internet techspeak at all

If one doesn't know what something MEANS in the terms and conditions, one should ASK.

As with the law, ignorance is not a defence. If a player reads the terms (the OP didn't FWIW), doesn't understand some of them, and then clicks the "I accept and understand the terms" checkbox....then they only have themselves to blame.

If one has the ability to use laptops in mobile fashion, and use different networks etc, then one surely has SOME idea what IP means anyway.

Bottom line is that this thread wouldn't exist if the OP READ the terms in the first place. One can't be misled by something they didn't read FFS.

Honestly. People cannot have their hands held 24/7. Common sense and responsibility must come into play at some point.
 
I don't know what the big deal is. The OP took a bonus and broke one of the terms.

It's not like it was a hidden or vague term. It was clearly written.

These are bonus terms not terms of service. If a person doesn't understand them and can't be bothered to ask then just don't take the bonus.

This is one of the reasons most people don't want to take bonuses. If you're not the kind of person that has the patience to read and understand all the terms and conditions for each bonus you take at every casino you play at then you're probably not the kind of person who should be taking bonuses in the first place.

I don't have the patience for it and I can never seem to get past the wage requirements. So in general, I just don't take them.

I have no beef with bonus terms as long as they're clearly stated. There's no rule that says anyone has to take them.

Last time I made a deposit at Omni a box popped up when I closed the cashier offering a 50% bonus on my deposit. I had to click no. I had no idea what the terms were and the box was covering up the casino. The only other option I had was to open a browser and go look for them on their website. The safest and easiest thing to do was to just play with what I deposited. Why give yourself the hassle?
 
Is this still going??


Grrrrrrrr..


go away.webp
 
For someone like the OP's girlfriend, or anyone that lives where there is a shared environment, it's best to check before opening an account. Read the terms of course, and get email confirmation there are no other accounts registered for that address (both physical and IP). I'd explain that there are other people at the same address and you have no control or knowledge of what they have done or may do. If the shared environment is not a single household, explain that and what it is.

I have tenants, neither on which are on my internet connection at this time. I've asked "what if" someone joined after me, without my knowledge.

Generally, a casino will consider the first account registered to be the valid one. While some casinos will allow multiple accounts from different individuals, with only one being bonus being allowed, other casinos do not allow multiple accounts for the same address. To my knowledge, there isn't any casino that allows multiple accounts per person.

I would expect your girlfriend to encounter problems if there were many people from the same address. Casinos look for collusion, and while it might be possible that someone might randomly join the same casino as you (especially a brand that advertises heavily on TV or such), if there was a sudden influx of people, it will trigger security alerts.
 
Hi,
thanks again to those who helped ,Googobucs and vinylweatherman who explained and cleared up a few things for me ,You are a credit to the forum , And even thanks to most of the other guys who even though not very friendly took the time to give there opinions ,
I think it maybe for the best this thread is removed or deleted as i dont want to appear slanderous towards the casino seeing as thought it was obviously my mistake at at the moment this thread is 3rd on the google search results ,Not great advertisement for them ,
When your wrong your wrong so if a MOD could sort that out , that would be great,
thanks again
 
Hi,
thanks again to those who helped ,Googobucs and vinylweatherman who explained and cleared up a few things for me ,You are a credit to the forum , And even thanks to most of the other guys who even though not very friendly took the time to give there opinions ,
I think it maybe for the best this thread is removed or deleted as i dont want to appear slanderous towards the casino seeing as thought it was obviously my mistake at at the moment this thread is 3rd on the google search results ,Not great advertisement for them ,
When your wrong your wrong so if a MOD could sort that out , that would be great,
thanks again

You can't unring a bell my friend!
The thread is a good reference too, for others whom make the same mistake(s).
The thread contains no 'slander' toward the casino as anybody reading will know quite quickly it was a legitimate bonus term you fell foul of, and took a while to understand. No foul by the casino; indeed they did the right thing by you.
If we all asked for threads to be deleted because they are resolved or didn't like the replies, we'd have no forum left!
The usual procedure is for Simmo/Bryan/Max to mark the title 'resolved' if they believe it has run its course and you have accepted the outcome. They might lock it too, but I doubt deletion is appropriate.
 
No you can't unring a bell but you can remove a post or thread very easily ,But if the sites preference is to keep threads alive to help others in the future then i guess that makes sense , I just wanted to make sure i wasn't harming their reputation ,Like i said i was wrong so i should try and make things right ,
thanks
 
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Please feel free to PM the guy - perhaps he can explain everything to you.
 
First off, I'm not a Networking expert, but I believe in reality she would have been assigned a new IP address by his ISP. Every computer must have a unique IP on the network. For example, I am sitting in my home office at my desk top. My lap top is on a TV tray in the living room. Both are turned on and have been assigned different IP addresses by my ISP.
That's unusual. The typical domestic setup is that you have a router which connects you with the outside world and which assigns private IP addresses (most commonly 192.168.0.x or 192.168.1.x) to the devices in your home. Websites and any other computers outside your home will only see your router's public IP address, which is assigned by your ISP. This IP address is usually dynamic, it can change from time to time and different people will get at assigned the same IP address, although not at the same time. I have also heard of cable ISPs which operated schemes similar to this domestic setup on a larger scale, where every house in a neighbourhood might have the same external IP address. Some ISPs have web operate web proxies which make all the customers' web traffic to come from the proxy's IP address. This is just to illustrate that different and completely unrelated people can have the same IP address and you, the customer, have no control over it.

I wonder what would happen if a player took this one account per IP address thing seriously and asked CS to check if anybody else has registered an account from his IP address. Would CS be able to do it?
 
This is just a little bit of information that I got when a problem arose with me trying to log into my Aladdins Gold account about a year ago.

Went to log in and was denied. Went to chat and was told that I had 2 accounts with them, both from my IP address. Now I had been playing at CW casinos for years so I knew there had been some kind of a mistake. Luckily, CS agreed with me and deleted the bogus account.

Of course this led to a conversation about how this might happen other than the obvious, I did it myself.

CS told me that if someone else bought my used computer and tried to set up a casino account, then they would not be allowed because I had set up an account using that computer.

I was also in the hospital and needed to get into my casino account. I went to the website and told CS that I would be using another internet provider and was told that as long as I used my own computer that there would be no problem.

I have played online in different states with different internet providers, such as hotel WiFi's or mobile hotspots, with no problems as long as I use my computer. I always tell CS first but as long as it's my computer (laptop or tablet) then no problem. At home, I have internet service thru my phone company.

So my question is this, IP provider or computer signature. What is it they look for?
 
I wonder what would happen if a player took this one account per IP address thing seriously and asked CS to check if anybody else has registered an account from his IP address. Would CS be able to do it?

Probably not. I imagine the only reason they even threw a red flag is because of activity so close together from the same IP by 2 different people. If it happened months or years apart they probably would not detect it.

IP is kind of a weak way to look for multiple accounts IMO. It's easily circumvented by someone that is trying to commit fraud and has any computer intelligence. I guess they have to use something, and MAC address is really not much better and can be hacked as well.
 
This is just a little bit of information that I got when a problem arose with me trying to log into my Aladdins Gold account about a year ago.

Went to log in and was denied. Went to chat and was told that I had 2 accounts with them, both from my IP address. Now I had been playing at CW casinos for years so I knew there had been some kind of a mistake. Luckily, CS agreed with me and deleted the bogus account.

Of course this led to a conversation about how this might happen other than the obvious, I did it myself.

CS told me that if someone else bought my used computer and tried to set up a casino account, then they would not be allowed because I had set up an account using that computer.

I was also in the hospital and needed to get into my casino account. I went to the website and told CS that I would be using another internet provider and was told that as long as I used my own computer that there would be no problem.

I have played online in different states with different internet providers, such as hotel WiFi's or mobile hotspots, with no problems as long as I use my computer. I always tell CS first but as long as it's my computer (laptop or tablet) then no problem. At home, I have internet service thru my phone company.

So my question is this, IP provider or computer signature. What is it they look for?

If it's a downloadable casino then the computer signature is much more reliable than an IP. When playing via a web interface, the computer signature will not get passed on to the casino, so they will have to go by IP.
 
I don't know if casinos allow these things to happen on purpose or what. Bet size and wrong games while playing a bonus, duplicate IP etc. Always a reason to confiscate winnings. It would be SO easy to create a system that detects if the bonus has been already played with the same IP and thus decline the bonus from the customer.

But why should they do this? If the player loses, casino gets more money. If player wins, confiscate the winnings.
 
I am sure there is no real no way of us players knowing these stats but it would be interesting to know what the withdrawal / win rate is for real money players and bonus/promo players , In my experience i usually win a bit when using promo cash then lose it trying to get through the playthrough ,Obviously the game play is exactly the same for the 2 players ,But if you win with real money you can obviously cash out right away ,

casinos chuck bonuses at you via email everyday so obvioulsy want you to use them , So i guess my question is , Do casinos prefer you to play with promo / bonus's rather than with real money ,some playthroughs can be 50x d+b so it surely seems for the extra small amount your getting your much likely to lose it reaching the WR ,and obviously if you win within what would have been your real money deposit in your first spell of games , that would have been withdrawable cash.

This is why it seems strange to me that they have this 1 per I.P or 1 per household rule rather than just per person , aslong as you can provide I'D that you are that person

Is there really any such thing as bonus abuse if they create the rules for all the bonuses ,Max wins , Playthroughs , What games are allowed etc , You still only have as much chance of reaching the withdrawal stage and have not gained any advantage just by living in the same house as someone .

A Player that already lived in a household with a registered member could sign up and then become a bonus abuser but if he moved next door he would not be a bonus abuser , Would they rather not have that potential customer player not play at all with them rather than them have an account with full gaming rights , bonuses and all .

I know what the rules are ,I just don't understand why they are the rules as you would think these bonuses are like gold dust ,If they offered you one single bonus on sign up and no more then i could perhaps understand but they send you them on a daily or weekly basis like its nothing and perhaps it is nothing and bonus abuse is just a phrase coined to increase profits , I don't know

I just don't see how where a person lives or what computer / device they are using has any kind of impact on how profitable there gaming session could be ,It obviously doesn't

Sorry for the rambles , I am new to how these things work and the forum has been a real eye opener to a lot of things , I understand rules are rules i just want to know why they are rules and if those rules are there for moral reasons

I honestly never knew what building i was in or what computer i was using would make any difference to me winning or losing and as of course it has no difference ....at all , then i have to question why this rule is there ,

Most people that play casinos maybe have a partner of friend that plays to ,With all this confusion of who went on what casino at what time , using what computer over the space of god knows how many years then it only means one thing , a simple mistake , accident or simply just being blissfully ignorant can result in big losses and it seems to me perhaps this is why the casinos do it .....

If they have the I.P stored then they should let the customer know asap ,Just because they don't have to do this by law etc... , Doesn't mean that you should be allowed to continue playing on a losing account for any amount of time ,Losing deposit after deposit until you get lucky enough to win only to have it taken from you , Again i know rules are rules but surely for us customers / punters there should be a rule somewhere to protect are safety to .

As it seems they are guilty of doing themselves what they are trying to stop others doing ,They are trying to stop ( what they would call ) customers gaining an unfair advantage ( even though there is not one with bonus t's and c's ) over them by knowingly keeping losing / no win situation accounts open as obviously if they have broken the terms and conditions that account should be closed on registration because of the clashing I'P , Email , Payment details ..

Again sorry for the rambling ,Would love to hear back from some of the more senior members here ,I know what the casinos say goes , And its contractual etc , Again its more the fairness and morality i am looking at as always thought we were on an even keel until reading through the forums over the last few days


thanks
 
I don't know if casinos allow these things to happen on purpose or what. Bet size and wrong games while playing a bonus, duplicate IP etc. Always a reason to confiscate winnings. It would be SO easy to create a system that detects if the bonus has been already played with the same IP and thus decline the bonus from the customer.

But why should they do this? If the player loses, casino gets more money. If player wins, confiscate the winnings.

Hi petr

I see you're a webby/affiliate.

I assume you contact each casino to see if they confiscate winnings for any reason, and refuse to list them if they do?

Seems the proper thing to do, otherwise you're putting your own players at risk surely? I mean, since casinos always have a reason to confiscate winnings?
 
And today i log into the forums and see this topic ,

SILVER OAK CASINO making up fake reasons/excuses to avoid paying me.

Again it seems somebody has fallen ill of this multiple i.p rule , he lives in student accomodation in a building on 4 floors with hundreds of other students all running off the same internet connection ,he has absolutely no way of knowing who else has or has not played before .

I heard someone mention in a reply that any of the users running of this multiple i.p will then not be paid out including the first person who made an account , Just because a 2nd person signed up after him ....... How could the original registering player be able to prevent a building full of hundreds of people playing on an online casino ???? ,

How many accounts would the casino ALLOW to be made off a single i.p as it seems in this case any number of people could all be playing losing accounts off the same i.p with the casino being fully aware they will never have to pay out to any of them but of course will keep accepting their deposits until they try to make a withdrawal

Alot of us are not tech savy and only learn from our mistakes like myself in this case ,But is it a mistake the casinos can nip in the bud right away and if they CAN is it fair / moral that they do not ?
 
And today i log into the forums and see this topic ,

SILVER OAK CASINO making up fake reasons/excuses to avoid paying me.

Again it seems somebody has fallen ill of this multiple i.p rule , he lives in student accomodation in a building on 4 floors with hundreds of other students all running off the same internet connection ,he has absolutely no way of knowing who else has or has not played before .

I heard someone mention in a reply that any of the users running of this multiple i.p will then not be paid out including the first person who made an account , Just because a 2nd person signed up after him ....... How could the original registering player be able to prevent a building full of hundreds of people playing on an online casino ???? ,

How many accounts would the casino ALLOW to be made off a single i.p as it seems in this case any number of people could all be playing losing accounts off the same i.p with the casino being fully aware they will never have to pay out to any of them but of course will keep accepting their deposits until they try to make a withdrawal

Alot of us are not tech savy and only learn from our mistakes like myself in this case ,But is it a mistake the casinos can nip in the bud right away and if they CAN is it fair / moral that they do not ?

But you've both been depositing and playing on the SAME computer. What does an internet connection have to do with an IP address? They are two completely separate issues. Two completely different scenarios. That's using the same internet connection versus using the same computer. This day and age there are allot of people accessing the internet through the same internet connection (Wi-Fi, Star Bucks, School). Not so many using the same computer. I understand your frustration but you have both been playing on the same computer therefore from the same IP address.
 
As i have said a million times already ,I am not talking about my personal issue , rather the issue in general , Like the guy i have just mentioned ,
Like the casinos say , 1 bonus per household , How do you define a household ,If he lives in student accomodation , Is his household his room or his building ? ,

Most students have one bedroom that is there household but he obviously lives in the same building as hundreds more people , Are they part of his household ? ,he has had his winnings taken away as a flat mate seems to have used the promo already , But on his own computer ,rather than on the same computer like in my case .

Please, I am no longer talking about my case so stop relating back to it when it was cleared up already and i am now talking about a separate issue ,I appreciate the help and replies but it can make things very muddled ,
thanks

Is a bedsit a household or is it the tower block the bedsits in the household , It seems the ruling can be very confusing and hazy and due to this there can only be 1 winner and 1 loser And the player isnt going to be the one happy at the end .

Plus in about a million answers nobody has actually answered anything about at which point the casino recognises a duplicate I.P , And to what action they either DO or SHOULD take , How many i.p's do they allow to be signed up to an account , If someone who is familiar with the rules but unaware of friend, relative ,neighbour has already signed up with that account ( like in this guys case ) , Is it fair they will accept his deposits knowing they will never pay him out as he breached rules on registration ????

In this day and age this problem will keep popping up more and more now everyone has tonnes of computers,laptops,tablets, phones and it seems the simplest way would simply be 1 everything per person ,if you have a passport and bank account then you can have an account ,
Would anyone seriously sign up there Grandmother for an account without them knowing , take her credit card to deposit with then ask or steal her passport just for the sake of claiming a MATCH BONUS ....... They are hardly like gold dust are they

This way there would be no confusion , no blurred lines , no accidents but that would not be profitable to the casinos ,If even 1/100 players messes up like i did , At the end of the year that's a decent mark up
I don't know maybe there are people out there that would do what i said above and it sucks as the likes of me and this other guys and countless more have lost to because of it and it just doesn't seem fair .... But i guess that's life ,Few bad apples spoil the bunch !
 
I am sure there is no real no way of us players knowing these stats but it would be interesting to know what the withdrawal / win rate is for real money players and bonus/promo players , In my experience i usually win a bit when using promo cash then lose it trying to get through the playthrough ,Obviously the game play is exactly the same for the 2 players ,But if you win with real money you can obviously cash out right away ,

Then don't takes bonuses.

casinos chuck bonuses at you via email everyday so obvioulsy want you to use them , So i guess my question is , Do casinos prefer you to play with promo / bonus's rather than with real money ,some playthroughs can be 50x d+b so it surely seems for the extra small amount your getting your much likely to lose it reaching the WR ,and obviously if you win within what would have been your real money deposit in your first spell of games , that would have been withdrawable cash.

It still is withdrawable cash on most sites (accredited) if you don't touch the bonus at any time - you can w/d your cash balance and forfeit the bonus. If the bonus WR is crap, then common sense decrees you decline it.

This is why it seems strange to me that they have this 1 per I.P or 1 per household rule rather than just per person , aslong as you can provide I'D that you are that person

Is there really any such thing as bonus abuse if they create the rules for all the bonuses ,Max wins , Playthroughs , What games are allowed etc , You still only have as much chance of reaching the withdrawal stage and have not gained any advantage just by living in the same house as someone .

If you look elsewhere on the forum it has been explained by myself and others that you CAN gain significant advantage over the casino on certain games by a group of colluders taking bonuses. They aren't here to give cash away!

A Player that already lived in a household with a registered member could sign up and then become a bonus abuser but if he moved next door he would not be a bonus abuser , Would they rather not have that potential customer player not play at all with them rather than them have an account with full gaming rights , bonuses and all .

Yes he could be a bonus abuser if the casino suspected he/she was in cahoots with the other player, and they were AP'ing together.


I know what the rules are ,I just don't understand why they are the rules as you would think these bonuses are like gold dust ,If they offered you one single bonus on sign up and no more then i could perhaps understand but they send you them on a daily or weekly basis like its nothing and perhaps it is nothing and bonus abuse is just a phrase coined to increase profits , I don't know

Again, if you don't rate the bonuses, don't use them.

I just don't see how where a person lives or what computer / device they are using has any kind of impact on how profitable there gaming session could be ,It obviously doesn't

Again, yes it does if colluding in AP with related/associated parties.



Sorry for the rambles , I am new to how these things work and the forum has been a real eye opener to a lot of things , I understand rules are rules i just want to know why they are rules and if those rules are there for moral reasons.

There's little 'moral' in gambling. The rules are there to weed out colluders/AP's and scamsters.

I honestly never knew what building i was in or what computer i was using would make any difference to me winning or losing and as of course it has no difference ....at all , then i have to question why this rule is there ,

Again, not you as an INDIVIDUAL but as part of a colluding group - that's why the rule is there.

Most people that play casinos maybe have a partner of friend that plays to ,With all this confusion of who went on what casino at what time , using what computer over the space of god knows how many years then it only means one thing , a simple mistake , accident or simply just being blissfully ignorant can result in big losses and it seems to me perhaps this is why the casinos do it .....

See above.

If they have the I.P stored then they should let the customer know asap ,Just because they don't have to do this by law etc... , Doesn't mean that you should be allowed to continue playing on a losing account for any amount of time ,Losing deposit after deposit until you get lucky enough to win only to have it taken from you , Again i know rules are rules but surely for us customers / punters there should be a rule somewhere to protect are safety to .

As it seems they are guilty of doing themselves what they are trying to stop others doing ,They are trying to stop ( what they would call ) customers gaining an unfair advantage ( even though there is not one with bonus t's and c's ) over them by knowingly keeping losing / no win situation accounts open as obviously if they have broken the terms and conditions that account should be closed on registration because of the clashing I'P , Email , Payment details ..

AGAIN yes there are advantages if you AP/collude in a certain way.


Again sorry for the rambling ,Would love to hear back from some of the more senior members here ,I know what the casinos say goes , And its contractual etc , Again its more the fairness and morality i am looking at as always thought we were on an even keel until reading through the forums over the last few days


thanks

Listen, if you don't accept or like or understand generic casino T&C's maybe you should refrain from either online casinos or at the very least bonuses. People have made great efforts here to explain these matters and you ain't grasping it, are you? Why your personal quest for the ethos and logic behind online casino operations? You buy a car, it works and you drive it. If so, you don't need to know why the ECU is placed here or the ashtray there. It really shouldn't bother you that much.
 
Honestly , Your probably right , I don't understand alot of the wording / terminology that is being used but i am trying to learn , hence so many questions , ]
I never thought it was a problem to ask why ....I'm the type of person that would like to know why everything is where it is , what purpose it is serving etc .. , I could never imagine being the type of person you describe never questioning anything
That's like going to the garage , paying 2 grand to get your car fixed and not asking what exactly was broken / fixed in order to constitute that bill , As like you said the car is working ok so why bother questioning it ? , especially in this industry ..
It baffles me that there is a list of rogue casinos ,Surely they should be either closed or being investigated but after more reading and seeing these strange offshore jurustictions it quite frankly scary ,There even seems to be alot of complaints on here from casinos in the accredited lists .

I am new to all this so to me it doesn't make sense , I'm sure everything is this way it is for a reason , You have probably seen the evolution of the rules and why the have changed to be a certain way but i have not , I'm picking it up in the middle and alot of it doesn't seem fair , Like you said there isn't much MORAL about gambling , That is a big problem for me ,Maybe i should pack it in completely ,I played for fun and this really isn't much fun
Thanks again for all your replys
 
Davos...I'm a lot like you in the sense that I want to know why. I'm very inquisitive and spend a lot of time trying to seek out the answer to things I don't understand. Sometime the answer is " It is what it is". Nothing bugs me more than to come to that conclusion, but in this case: "it is what it is". Time to kick this can down the road and move on to the next experience.
good luck
 
And today i log into the forums and see this topic ,

SILVER OAK CASINO making up fake reasons/excuses to avoid paying me.

Again it seems somebody has fallen ill of this multiple i.p rule , he lives in student accomodation in a building on 4 floors with hundreds of other students all running off the same internet connection ,he has absolutely no way of knowing who else has or has not played before .

I heard someone mention in a reply that any of the users running of this multiple i.p will then not be paid out including the first person who made an account , Just because a 2nd person signed up after him ....... How could the original registering player be able to prevent a building full of hundreds of people playing on an online casino ???? ,

How many accounts would the casino ALLOW to be made off a single i.p as it seems in this case any number of people could all be playing losing accounts off the same i.p with the casino being fully aware they will never have to pay out to any of them but of course will keep accepting their deposits until they try to make a withdrawal

Alot of us are not tech savy and only learn from our mistakes like myself in this case ,But is it a mistake the casinos can nip in the bud right away and if they CAN is it fair / moral that they do not ?


Davos, (didn't you create the Daleks BTW,???)

I get the feeling that you're just ignoring what everyone is saying, and waiting for someone to say exactly what you want to hear I.e. that it's all terribly unfair and that casinos deliberately don't check accounts at registration so they can rip you off later (like in your case).

No offence, but that's how it looks.

What you don't seem to grasp is that these rules are there for a reason. Several have been mentioned already, but it all boils down to fraud prevention. Some players make a full time living trying to scam casinos by taking the same bonus over and over using multiple IDs etc, among other things.

The reason most casinos don't exclude accounts at the beginning is that many of them allow multiple ACCOUNTS just not multiple BONUSES per IP/family/environment/etc. It's not possible to know if you're going to take a bonus when you register....you may or may not.

Honestly, I'm not going much further as I don't believe you're really paying attention.

Bottom line...it's about BONUSES....not accounts. It's why you were allowed to keep your account open. You keep fishing for everyone to say you were badly treated and ripped off, and that the whole thing is unjust and a deliberate ploy to take your winnings. You weren't, and it's not.

If you really want to know more, search the forums and read carefully and objectively...starting with this thread.
 
I'm not looking for everyone to agree with me i was looking for answers , Some questions were answered and others were not , I can see i am asking the wrong people as lets face it , Some of the questions i am asking non of you guys will know the answer to , Only the casino operators .

Nifty please feel free to ignore this thread and any of my messages , Honestly you've not been any help you have been pretty condescending and particularly unfriendly , On reading other threads you've chucked your 50ps worth on most of them to , Again not being particularly friendly , perhaps a forum where people come looking for help isn't the best place for you , You'd make a great chat rep for casino live help though :)

Googobucks , You have been extremely helpful from from the start and i know your right with this and i should let it go , My opinions are my opinions and i don't expect anyone to agree with them , Hopefully one day Panorama will do an undercover investigation into the world of online casinos and are suspicions can either be laid to rest or out there in the open ,

It wasn't so long ago we were all getting bent over by the banks with their £30 admin / email charges , PPI etc .... And eventually Justice prevailed .

In my personal case i am to blame , I made a mistake and i'm not confident that i wouldn't make another in the future as i'm not very tech savy and having to read through pages of terms for each casino just for a £20 deposit kinda kills the fun , I think ill stick to sports bets or at the very least leave bonuses / promos alone ,

thanks
 
I'm not looking for everyone to agree with me i was looking for answers , Some questions were answered and others were not , I can see i am asking the wrong people as lets face it , Some of the questions i am asking non of you guys will know the answer to , Only the casino operators .

Nifty please feel free to ignore this thread and any of my messages , Honestly you've not been any help you have been pretty condescending and particularly unfriendly , On reading other threads you've chucked your 50ps worth on most of them to , Again not being particularly friendly , perhaps a forum where people come looking for help isn't the best place for you , You'd make a great chat rep for casino live help though :)

Googobucks , You have been extremely helpful from from the start and i know your right with this and i should let it go , My opinions are my opinions and i don't expect anyone to agree with them , Hopefully one day Panorama will do an undercover investigation into the world of online casinos and are suspicions can either be laid to rest or out there in the open ,

It wasn't so long ago we were all getting bent over by the banks with their £30 admin / email charges , PPI etc .... And eventually Justice prevailed .

In my personal case i am to blame , I made a mistake and i'm not confident that i wouldn't make another in the future as i'm not very tech savy and having to read through pages of terms for each casino just for a £20 deposit kinda kills the fun , I think ill stick to sports bets or at the very least leave bonuses / promos alone ,

thanks

Your definition of "help" is very narrow I.e. people are only being helpful if they agree with you.

How very grown-up :rolleyes:

Oh, and BTW, I will continue to comment on your posts and any other posts I see fit to comment upon. I don't give a toss what you think.

Panorama. LOL.
 
In my personal case i am to blame , I made a mistake and i'm not confident that i wouldn't make another in the future as i'm not very tech savy and having to read through pages of terms for each casino just for a £20 deposit kinda kills the fun , I think ill stick to sports bets or at the very least leave bonuses / promos alone ,
thanks

Generally speaking, the pages and pages of terms and conditions are bonus related. Fraudsters would have an awful hard time gaining an edge on a casino by creating multiple accounts and then only playing slot games with their own money.

Personally I think there are far too many restrictions and conditions on deposit bonuses and I'm sure many people agree with me. The obvious solution is not to take them. If a casino offers you a deposit bonus and you decline, there's one or two pages that you no longer have to read or understand. If understanding these pages is what's killing your fun then stop taking the bonuses.

Terms of service are usually a lot more straight forward. These generally revolve around not having multiple accounts or fake ID and other things that people usually have enough sense not to do anyway.

If you play at a reputable casino, have only one account with legitimate identification and play with only your own legally deposited money it's highly unlikely you'll have any issues with your withdrawals.
 
The IP address has everything to do with the internet connection, and nothing to do with the computer. When a computer (or a router) connects to an internet provider it's either assigned an IP address within a certain range of IP addresses, or using the permanent IP address assigned to your account, so in places where a connection is shared by many people, they will either use the same IP address where one permanent IP address is used, or risk being assigned the same IP address where a range of IP addresses is used, whether they use the same computer, or 50 individual computers to connect to the same router. The router then hands out local networkl IP addresses to each computer that connects to it, but outside the local network, everyone has the same IP address

Every computer (And other electronic devices) has a MAC address, hard coded into a chip in the device, that you can use to identify a specific computer, so that's a totally different animal.

But you've both been depositing and playing on the SAME computer. What does an internet connection have to do with an IP address? They are two completely separate issues. Two completely different scenarios. That's using the same internet connection versus using the same computer. This day and age there are allot of people accessing the internet through the same internet connection (Wi-Fi, Star Bucks, School). Not so many using the same computer. I understand your frustration but you have both been playing on the same computer therefore from the same IP address.
 
The IP address has everything to do with the internet connection, and nothing to do with the computer. When a computer (or a router) connects to an internet provider it's either assigned an IP address within a certain range of IP addresses, or using the permanent IP address assigned to your account, so in places where a connection is shared by many people, they will either use the same IP address where one permanent IP address is used, or risk being assigned the same IP address where a range of IP addresses is used, whether they use the same computer, or 50 individual computers to connect to the same router. The router then hands out local networkl IP addresses to each computer that connects to it, but outside the local network, everyone has the same IP address

Every computer (And other electronic devices) has a MAC address, hard coded into a chip in the device, that you can use to identify a specific computer, so that's a totally different animal.

My bad. Learn something new everyday. I just thought that was like a code on the computer...

I think as Nifty pointed out that most casinos generally allow more than one account per internet connection as long as the same bonuses aren't being taken. Using the same bonuses on both accounts is obviously an advantage over the casino. Those T&Cs are there for a reason.

I know that 32 Red and Betsafe allow more than one account per internet connection just as long as the same bonuses arent taken. One account for me and one account for my sister as it's against the T&Cs to share your account with a third party. I take bonuses, she dosent (she cant wrap her head around the WR and how that works). We also play on different computers.

Many times it's just about confirming this with CS prior to opening the other account. But you didnt do this. Both accounts were accessed from the same computer and both accounts were using bonuses. Anyway Silver Oak is known for confiscation of winnings so that cant be used as a solid example.
 
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Again not to be argumentative , But the people that have been providing me with answers and help don't seem to be clear on the rules either ,Mrmark21 , You have alot of posts here and you seem to know what your talking about when it comes to this stuff but you yourself got the i.p setup completely wrong ( well unless your right and the other guy is wrong ) so surely that says an awful lot , That really isn't a clear ruling

So it then draws me back to my last question , If i.p isn't completely to do with your computer , more your internet connection then the guy i mentioned who lives in a student dorm is totally screwed ,Also what happens to the original member who signed up and made the first complete account from that I.P , If there is a 2nd one made without him knowing ,Could he then lose any winnings due to multiple accounts from an i.p ( and yes i'm talking about bonus claiming accounts , not just cash play accounts )

This is the best forum online for casino related problems and there are some pretty in the know guys on here , I have heard a bunch of you say I.P is computer only nothing to do with internet connection and half of you say or think the opposite so which is it , As it makes the world of difference

thanks
 
And this answers the I.P question how ?

It 9 pages long as everyone has an answer or an opinion or a little dig but obviously half of these opinions are wrong .

Rather than being bored of this thread i would be more worried as it seems alot of people who have posted here , Like myself don't know what an I.P is or how it works so if we get it sorted it could save alot of people alot of bother ...

Again if you don't need this information then feel free to ignore the thread , Why can people not do this ? You make the time to come back and condemn something i have said but not to answer the questions , If you have nothing more to offer and have no confusion about this I.P problem then there is nothing for you here

Of course like nifty your free to post where and when ever you like but its not really constructive to keep coming back if it annoys you ....

A few of us are still unsure due to contradictory answers so i want to keep asking , geting opinions until its crystal clear

I don't claim to have any real tech knowledge that is why i am asking other rather than telling others but it seems there's is a decent amount of people giving opinions as facts and getting it totally wrong , I don't who is right or wrong but i know there have been multiple contradicting answers here so even if it helps 1 other person besides myself then it was worth the debate

thanks
 
I'm not condemning what you posted, I'm trying to nudge you in the right direction.

Your not getting it though.

You are not going to get detailed knowledge of how casinos detect multiple users or how and why they save and use I.P. addresses. If you need to know how your particular I.P. address is determined you have to go through you provider. Different providers will generate them in different ways.

Or check your router's technical details.

Research it a little then come back and give us the answer. Research is not just asking Why? Why? Why?

Obviously you have access to the internet, use it. There is a plethora of information available.
 
And this answers the I.P question how ?

It 9 pages long as everyone has an answer or an opinion or a little dig but obviously half of these opinions are wrong .

Rather than being bored of this thread i would be more worried as it seems alot of people who have posted here , Like myself don't know what an I.P is or how it works so if we get it sorted it could save alot of people alot of bother ...

Again if you don't need this information then feel free to ignore the thread , Why can people not do this ? You make the time to come back and condemn something i have said but not to answer the questions , If you have nothing more to offer and have no confusion about this I.P problem then there is nothing for you here

Of course like nifty your free to post where and when ever you like but its not really constructive to keep coming back if it annoys you ....

A few of us are still unsure due to contradictory answers so i want to keep asking , geting opinions until its crystal clear

I don't claim to have any real tech knowledge that is why i am asking other rather than telling others but it seems there's is a decent amount of people giving opinions as facts and getting it totally wrong , I don't who is right or wrong but i know there have been multiple contradicting answers here so even if it helps 1 other person besides myself then it was worth the debate

thanks

It's actually VERY simple.

1. ALWAYS read the terms BEFORE you play
2. If you don't understand the terms then ASK the casino to clarify
3. AVOID registering and/or playing in shared environments I.e. use your OWN PC at all times with your OWN internet connection
4. AVOID allowing anyone else to use your internet connection to play

If you follow these SIMPLE rules you will pretty much NEVER have an issue with confiscation of winnings.

If you want an accurate explanation of IP addresses....try GOOGLE....and quit expecting everyone to do your legwork, and expecting all these members of varying expertise to AGREE on one definition.

Bigjohn is quite right. If you don't have an inkling by now, then another 99 pages ain't going to help.

Try using that old chestnut that has managed to keep me free of confiscations and bonus issues for 15 years....

COMMON SENSE
 
It's easy to say its common sense when you already have that information , At the time of my problem i was unaware of all this and i wouldn't say tech problems was particularly common knowledge to the average person anyway .

I'll refrain from posting anymore on this , And i will stick to cash only play in the future on my own computer , And if i have a problem i will just have to take it on the chin as even with some very helpful and friendly people on here it's not worth the hassle of having to converse with the likes of nifty etc ...

For the record there were a few other posters on this thread who also did not understand alot of what i was saying and by asking questions i was trying to clear it up for everyone , Not just me .....

Yes i should just google my own questions and i'll make what i can from it although again i'm not to tech savy , But it seems a shame as i thought this kind of thing was what these forums were made for and its even more of a shame that a few individuals make a bad experience even worse with there condescending tones and insults .

thanks to all those that made the time to help , I know alot more than i did before and hopefuly can avoid this kind of thing again ,

Good luck on your travels :)
 
I'd just like to mention one more thing...casino security won't tell players what they look for or how they catch multiple accounts or other kinds of fraud. To expect them to tell you how they figured out that both of you were playing from one computer is being pretty naive - fraudsters always want to know how they got caught because they think it will teach them how NOT to get caught next time.

Again, not saying that you're a fraudster, just explaining that you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for any casino rep to step in with that information.

But I'm positive that it's not as simple as saying "Oh look both these players signed up from the same IP, let's close their accounts." There's also a lot of other stuff that happens behind the scenes that we're not privy to.

Although mistakes happen and innocent players sometimes get caught in a fraud net, it's rare for a casino to make a mistake on a multiple account issue.
 
It's actually VERY simple.

1. ALWAYS read the terms BEFORE you play
2. If you don't understand the terms then ASK the casino to clarify
3. AVOID registering and/or playing in shared environments I.e. use your OWN PC at all times with your OWN internet connection
4. AVOID allowing anyone else to use your internet connection to play

Your OWN internet connection is not always safe to use unless you pay your ISP for a static IP address which very very few people do.

The vast majority of people have dynamic IP addresses which change and get re-assigned to different people, not as often as when we all had dial up though.

If you re-boot your router it will change, have a power cut it will change then you get one that someone else has used and you don't have a clue who had it never mind what they did when they had it.

If I wanted to open multiple accounts I could just open one and play then reboot the router and open another one, different IP so no problem. Casinos now should have the ability to block by MAC address which is individual to the machine, can be spoofed but not as easy as changing IP. this is why they don't block IP's as they could be blocking potential good customers.

A few people in this thread understand the way IP's work as they have given correct info but most seem not to but are still advising on it.

As Nifty says you should ask if unsure but i doubt the average CS would know this as they would just be able to answer what the T's and C's say but at least you would have it in writing
 
Sorry for the re-bump ,

netbet.com not paying out again

just read this thread and it seems this guy has done the exact same thing as me haha , I mean identical , Fortunately it seems for him that netbet allow 3 accounts per I.P address in the terms ( even though they are trying to stiff him ) ,

Seems a shame that 2 identical situations occur and one constitutes "fraud" as my casino put it and the other is fine ,But as you have all told me every casino has different rules and its up to me to be completley aware of them before playing ,
It would be nice if one day there was a set of rules that were universal or at least continental so if you know them for one you know them for all

Hopefuly he should get paid in full
 
Sorry for the re-bump ,

netbet.com not paying out again

just read this thread and it seems this guy has done the exact same thing as me haha , I mean identical , Fortunately it seems for him that netbet allow 3 accounts per I.P address in the terms ( even though they are trying to stiff him ) ,

Seems a shame that 2 identical situations occur and one constitutes "fraud" as my casino put it and the other is fine ,But as you have all told me every casino has different rules and its up to me to be completley aware of them before playing ,
It would be nice if one day there was a set of rules that were universal or at least continental so if you know them for one you know them for all

Hopefuly he should get paid in full

Until a PAB is done by either of you none of what you say is worth any more than me telling you I'm the president of the United States. As always if these things are such a big problem we would have a ton more complaints as it would occur on a regular basis but as it goes more often than not when the PAB is finished someone is found to be fraudster / scammer. Could the guy you speak of be innocent of course. But why should I believe a person who just joined anymore than I would believe the casino. No point in me placing trust in either of you until an investigation is completed.
 
I think most of the (reputable) casinos assessing several factors before they claim a player fraud and I think the IP address collision is one of the least significant.

More important factors could be the MAC address (easily alterable, even though it is hardcoded as someone suggested), registry of the computer where the casino software places information (like user name e.g.), IP address and country matching (IP addresses distributed geographically) and gambling style (what games, what tactics) which casinos tend to think of as a fingerprint.

These things which experienced bonus abusers would likely circumvent.

(I know there were a lot of discussion about it, but still).
Apart from the above, I fail to see how could a casino lose on the so called bonus abusing.
The bonus abusers opening several accounts for the SUB and try to hit big. Let's say they hit big, so to get the money they need to prove the person's identity used for the bonus. So it is similar like the person would have signed up his own.
From the point of the casino it is the same whether 1 person is using 40 persons' identity and claiming the SUB or the 40 persons would sign up individually using the SUB.

They can only lose on this if

1. The bonus was EV+
2. Bonus abusers are using better tactics (win more or lose less) than the average new players
 
Thanks Cleveland ,
In my case i obviously didn't understand the rules and terms properly so no point opening a PAB ,All i have is hope that the casino can see there is no attempt of fraud , I think my deposit was £20 and i played on pretty much the same few slots all night at either 40 or 50 p a spin until reaching the playthrough ,( about 12 hours play ) ,if there were like 5 accounts through my I.P and i was depositing like 100-1000 to get the match bonus then i could understand them being extremely wary

In the other guys guys case , The casinos terms stipulate each I.P can have up to but no more than 3 accounts , he had one and his girlfriend had one so there should not have been a problem so perhaps there is something missing as you say

It just seems to be popping up alot now , there's been 3 posts about this in the last 2 days or so of people having there winnings taken away for duplicate I.P's , I'm a member of god knows how many sites as i have played for years as is my girlfriend and we have only ever played between either my home or hers on perhaps 3 different computers max and this has never occured so perhaps there is a clamp down on this thing happening right now .

It's kinda scaring me into not playing , I know people say i will be a lot safer in not claiming bonuses which of course is true but i only deposit 25 max and even on a small stake you can be bust very quickly so the added boost of a bonus keeps the gameplay going a while
 
And this answers the I.P question how ?

It 9 pages long as everyone has an answer or an opinion or a little dig but obviously half of these opinions are wrong .

Rather than being bored of this thread i would be more worried as it seems alot of people who have posted here , Like myself don't know what an I.P is or how it works so if we get it sorted it could save alot of people alot of bother ...

Again if you don't need this information then feel free to ignore the thread , Why can people not do this ? You make the time to come back and condemn something i have said but not to answer the questions , If you have nothing more to offer and have no confusion about this I.P problem then there is nothing for you here

Of course like nifty your free to post where and when ever you like but its not really constructive to keep coming back if it annoys you ....

A few of us are still unsure due to contradictory answers so i want to keep asking , geting opinions until its crystal clear

I don't claim to have any real tech knowledge that is why i am asking other rather than telling others but it seems there's is a decent amount of people giving opinions as facts and getting it totally wrong , I don't who is right or wrong but i know there have been multiple contradicting answers here so even if it helps 1 other person besides myself then it was worth the debate

thanks
As long as you are not a moderator, please do not tell people which threads they can post to. This thread belongs to all members of this forum, and I welcome anyone who would like to chime in. If you want ownership of a thread, please create your own forum or blog. Thank you.
 
"Of course like nifty your free to post where and when ever you like but its not really constructive to keep coming back if it annoys you ...."

Was just pointing out that the thread may not be so long or "still going" if the people who were either bored or annoyed by it didn't keep posting in it ( especially when they make up a fairly large portions of the posts ) ,Then just the people who could provide answers or were needing answers also could find the thread much easier to follow

Surely that would be of more help to everyone ,No one being annoyed and info and answers easy to find , Of course i am not a MOD and of course i have no right to tell or ask people what they can or can not do i was just looking at it logically
Sorry if i caused any offence
 
"Of course like nifty your free to post where and when ever you like but its not really constructive to keep coming back if it annoys you ...."

Was just pointing out that the thread may not be so long or "still going" if the people who were either bored or annoyed by it didn't keep posting in it ( especially when they make up a fairly large portions of the posts ) ,Then just the people who could provide answers or were needing answers also could find the thread much easier to follow

Surely that would be of more help to everyone ,No one being annoyed and info and answers easy to find , Of course i am not a MOD and of course i have no right to tell or ask people what they can or can not do i was just looking at it logically
Sorry if i caused any offence

If I waited until I wasn't annoyed to do something I probably wouldn't need to get out of bed.
 

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