William Hill Jumping Onboard The R.T.P Nerfing Bandwagon

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This post reminds me of my local Gala Casino about 15 years ago. I went up there one Friday night and they had installed an American roulette table at some point in the week. There was American-themed bunting in the ceiling above and the croupier was wearing a 'stars and stripes' waistcoat. But even if the croupier had been Rachel Riley and topless, nothing was going to disguise the fact that the wheel had an extra green position on it; two big fucking zero-shaped eyes staring right at you.

Surrounded by single-zero roulette tables it was never going to stand a chance, and it was gone within a month. What an absolute waste of time.
Its a shame its not that obvious when it comes to online slots.
Nobody (almost nobody) would go for the 92-94% versions of slots if they were met with "two big fucking zero-shaped eyes". making it obvious they were about to play an inferior version. =)
 

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I play at hills a fair bit - my poker account is on there and they have given some pretty decent match offers this year (£100 plus £100 on live casino with only 10x wagering (and only on bonus amount) is pretty decent - 1000 spins at £1 on red allowed in the terms as well - so basically giving £95 to regulars) - similar offers on their Vegas slots - and it was only when i checked Starburst for some basic wagering i noticed they had zapped the Netents.

Sad times
 

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Re my last message - for Hills account owners - check your live casino promos. Outlined offer is available again (selected customers only) this weekend.
 

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Its a shame its not that obvious when it comes to online slots.
Nobody (almost nobody) would go for the 92-94% versions of slots if they were met with "two big fucking zero-shaped eyes". making it obvious they were about to play an inferior version. =)
Yeah you can obfuscate RTP changes in a million different ways on slots. On roulette what else can you do? Leave it as one zero but only pay 34-1? Same with video poker; very few options other than changing the paytable.
 

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I'm not defending Hills in anyway - RTP nerfing pisses me off.
Interesting though that they have added DW games to their providers in the last few months.... games more akin to American casino slots - but all on 97% RTP - which - lets face it - is decent
 

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Why should shareholders expect an immediate profit? Staking money in a company is a gamble, not an automatic right to a pathway to a get rich quick scheme. This is what’s wrong with capitalism today and why so many suffer at the expense of a few.

Too many investors think short term rather than long term sustainability. Slashing RTP will yield a short term boost but nothing more. If the company is rotting underneath, it has no future in terms of sustainability. Ripping off your customers, for example, is not sustainable.

Also, some profit for the long haul is better than no profit at all through going bust. So why is sustained profit ditched in favour of short term boom?

I’ve never owned a business but it even shocks me how badly some companies are run. Stick me as CEO and I’m pretty sure I could make a better fist of it than the CEOs of some companies...and I’m being serious.

The prime objective of a CEO is to cut costs and increase profit.

Hence they get a nice big fat bonus for meeting targets.

They are generally ruthless and cut throat, no share holders want a Mr nice guy in charge.

The first time dividends are down, you would be out on your arse.
 

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The prime objective of a CEO is to cut costs and increase profit.

Hence they get a nice big fat bonus for meeting targets.

They are generally ruthless and cut throat, no share holders want a Mr nice guy in charge.

The first time dividends are down, you would be out on your arse.
No-one said anything about niceties..My point was that long term profitability is superior to short term boom.

It's very very easy to slash overheads and skin everything to the bone; it requires no intelligence, no foresight and no effort. A lot harder to invest in order to ensure future sustainability. That's why so many CEOs fail and why so many businesses go under.

Why do you think Bezos is the richest man on the planet? He ran at a loss for years and years playing the long game.

There is a trend now with gamblers becoming more aware of things like RTP and overall payout. I'd wager that in time, the most successful will be the casinos that actually had the foresight to anticipate greater player knowledge and decided to keep the higher % RTP slots. Players will go where they get the best value for money. You can slash RTP and increase the house odds all you want, but it won't matter a jot if you have no-one playing at your casino!
 
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Gaz237

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No-one said anything about niceties..My point was that long term profitability is superior to short term boom.

It's very very easy to slash overheads and skin everything to the bone; it requires no intelligence, no foresight and no effort. A lot harder to invest in order to ensure future sustainability. That's why so many CEOs fail and why so many businesses go under.

Why do you think Bezos is the richest man on the planet? He ran at a loss for years and years playing the long game.

There is a trend now with gamblers becoming more aware of things like RTP and overall payout. I'd wager that in time, the most successful will be the casinos that actually had the foresight to anticipate greater player knowledge and decided to keep the higher % RTP slots. Players will go where they get the best value for money. You can slash RTP and increase the house odds all you want, but it won't matter a jot if you have no-one playing at your casino!

There is no trend whatsoever.

99.9% of players know sweet FA about RTP.

Theres plenty of members on this forum, that still don't understand, even when it;s explained to them.

The big brands will be going nowhere and the smaller companies will keep opening new Casinos and people will join to get the sign up bonuses. They certainly wont be checking the RTP.

The likes of VS who have done some shady things lately, will still have a massive player base, as people trust them, even members here slag them off, yet still play there?

Look at the amount of people who sign up to Curacao Casinos, do you honestly think that if they can't even avoid clip joints, there going to be up to speed on RTP's

It's just one big merry go round.
 

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I'm not defending Hills in anyway - RTP nerfing pisses me off.
Interesting though that they have added DW games to their providers in the last few months.... games more akin to American casino slots - but all on 97% RTP - which - lets face it - is decent

There are still bucket-loads of decent slots over 96%.

As a player you should be shunning the providers that offer cheaper versions of the same slots. Its the only choice left you have to fight back.

Im not sure we will ever lose the better paying slots because there will always be a market for them and hopefully a growing one because of increased awareness. Until then, choose wisely and take care of yourself. And others......

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Noticed today that the Play N Go's have now been dropped on Hills.
Glad i checked - was looking for 96% slots for wagering their latest bonus. Book of Dead - definitely 96% last bonus (either last weekend or the one before) now 94%

EDIT I was only playing their VEGAS tab offering on a 100% Match (max £100), 10x wagering on bonus amount only deal...... Legacy of Dead is still showing as 96% - looks like they cherry picking the ones to drop.

Thier two bonuses this weekend on live Casino ( same terms) and Vegas - have made me a handsome £190 profit though........
 
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Roll up come and play our shiny new RTP lowered slots.

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looks like WH have re-jigged their site from when I was last there. Now from each game icon you can click a little 'i' for more info, and this tells you the rtp so you don't have to load up the game to see it, however I couldn't see a game icon for every slot they have, eg, montezuma can be found via the search box with the magnifying glass but it's not anywhere in the slot groupings eg. in our shops, new titles etc.. same with thunderstruck2, so I loaded that and it was the 94% version, closed it after a few spins just to see what chopping 2% does to a game :eek2:

The worst discovery was seeing a 93% version of twin spin, I even did a few spins on it to test the water :eek: To make matters worse nearly every game lagged and the reels moved in super slo-mo, could be my chrome settings but what is so complicated in 2021 about getting a few images to move smoothly at a reasonable pace.
 
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