Is R.T.P. a misnomer and are its percentages misleading to customers?

zreb

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If my pc can handle it I think I might start using it. But ignorance is sometimes bliss, if I find my rtp is 60% on a slot am I more likely to then chase on the basis of the law of large numbers or an overdue rtp correction, or if it's the other way 120% stop playing a game when it could still be a good game to play...

Everything is tracking us online in one way or another but you can never be too careful I guess.

You might already understand this, but just in case, the law of large numbers only works in percentages.

For example, maybe you flip a coin 100 times and get 40 heads, for 40%. Say you flip it another 900 times and end up with a total, including the first 100 flips, of 450 heads. The percentage is now better at 45%, but you're another 40 flips below average. (Though you could just as easily have ended up with 530 heads after the first 100).

So while the percentage will tend towards the average over the long run, it has absolutely no bearing on whether or not continuing to play the slot will improve or worsen your results. It's not really that the RTP "corrects," rather, there's simply more results to drown them out - and in some cases, that drowning out would involve substantially more losses or winnings (technically it's difference from the average, which favors the casino at 96% or whatever for that particular game, so it takes more and more difficult to achieve amounts of luck to stay above 100% in the long run - since that's 4% over the average - but your losses are basically unlimited.)

In other words, there's no need to avoid playing a game you've done well on or to keep trying at a game that's gone badly. Your odds of winning or losing are the exact same as when you started, regardless of previous results. So best to just play whatever would make you happy, whatever you enjoy, whatever has the variance or win potential you're looking for, etc.
 
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Valhalla

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You're opening up a whole world of hell for yourself, as your stats could well read like 'misery fiction' after a few months lol.

Yeah I thought better of it in the end. Was thinking of that other thread (are you up or down?), and while I said "I'm certain I'm down", I don't actually know. And do I really want to know? No I do not.
 

Harry_BKK

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yeah it should be fun :eek2: I hope they do a high standard/production value job on it, take aspects of the original graphics and sounds but bring it up to date and also have a higher bonus frequency than bonanza, 3 diamonds to get a bonus etc..it may have been the success and style of play of the slot 'primal' megaways that convinced them rhino would transfer well...

Did the review for RR Megaways yesterday.

The design is 99% identical. They removed the top display and slapped the horizontal reel in place. Symbols and background are the same

You will need four diamonds to get 8 free spins initially and three to have it retrigger 8 FS.

In the FS, the multipliers wilds with x2, x3 or x5 appear on reel 2 to 5 and in the horizontal reel. Multipliers are multiplied by each other. On top, you will have the usual Bonanza-style increasing multiplier by x1 for each winning cascade.

A little like Primal on steroids as it has the increasing multiplier and up to 117,649 ways. Volatility probably an 11/10. :D

I ventured to say that the max potential is somewhere around 50,000x bet. However, max bet is 20 credits, max win is limited to 250,000 credits, so on max bet it is max 12,500x.
 

mack341

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south east england
Did the review for RR Megaways yesterday.

The design is 99% identical. They removed the top display and slapped the horizontal reel in place. Symbols and background are the same

You will need four diamonds to get 8 free spins initially and three to have it retrigger 8 FS.

In the FS, the multipliers wilds with x2, x3 or x5 appear on reel 2 to 5 and in the horizontal reel. Multipliers are multiplied by each other. On top, you will have the usual Bonanza-style increasing multiplier by x1 for each winning cascade.

A little like Primal on steroids as it has the increasing multiplier and up to 117,649 ways. Volatility probably an 11/10. :D

I ventured to say that the max potential is somewhere around 50,000x bet. However, max bet is 20 credits, max win is limited to 250,000 credits, so on max bet it is max 12,500x.

Harry do you know if the rtp is the same as the original or higher?
 

trancemonkey

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United Kingdom
I almost guarantee the feature will be nowhere near as frequent as the original, because multipliers on the reels with unlimited multipliers = huge potential which, with the exception of the streamers, will almost never be seen. I guess it could well be a game that promises the Earth but delivers Uranus.
 

SlotGrinder

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England
Most bonuses will be triggered in less spins than the "average" :eek::laugh::eek::D

Minimum you can wait for a bonus is 1 spin . Longest you can wait is infinity spins
When you take averages of samples like that then you will usually find that the median will be lower than the average
 

smcinoz

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Australia
One could say its 50%. Equal chance to play and leave in front or behind. Maybe 33% in australia since heaps get you cannot play this slotn in your jurisdiction (yay i won by not losing)

Earlier post about Australia and the variance and returns. I have seen a few bandits here that have hugely different payout values compared to the USA. Buffalo games are a great example that have chance of huge scores in america but its really tough in Oz (unless playing very first buffalo). Will take a picture one day showing difference
 

smcinoz

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Australia
Anyone remember the 'bonus-in-150-spins' days?

No?

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Was it RTG that had heaps of slots with guaranteed games. Im sure that outcome is built into the rtp
 
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