Is R.T.P. a misnomer and are its percentages misleading to customers?

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Just going to say, take no notice of shit affiliate sites with incorrect information, especially ones that are breaking the UKGC rules on advertising and the CAP code in multiple places.

Maybe @CasumoAffiliates @CasumoLouis @LeoVegas Affiliates @LeoVegas Rep @MrGreen&Evoke Aff. Manager @Mark_32Red @Guts @UnibetDavid @Unibet Rep @Melvin - Panda @L&L-Jan @Team.Videoslots might all want to scroll through the site and close the affiliate's accounts before they get fined for allowing it. No terms and conditions or anything.
How could rat affiliates be getting away with this??? note I said rat affiliates not affiliates are rats, Im not tarring everyone with the same brush

I think everyone who starts playing slots will learn the hard way about the risks, the only real shortcut is providing the odds alongside the rtp and there is considerable resistance to this idea from the industry and also some players who like the mystery.

I played a bit of rhino today, had 23 dead spins in a row, a few 1 x wins and then another 20 odd dead results, the sense of rigged and un random soon dominates your thinking and cussing, but if someone can win 1000x the money's got to come from somewhere...
any truth to the raging rhino megaways rumour?
 
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Can I hear some tunes please? Good man for the answer, what do you think would be a better way to state risk more clearly should a law like that come into place?

A law like that is extremely unlikely to come in to place. But as I've said, standard deviation or volatility (how spicy is the game) would be the two most likely to be accepted by the industry and most telling for players.
 

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any truth to the raging rhino megaways rumour?

yeah it should be fun :eek2: I hope they do a high standard/production value job on it, take aspects of the original graphics and sounds but bring it up to date and also have a higher bonus frequency than bonanza, 3 diamonds to get a bonus etc..it may have been the success and style of play of the slot 'primal' megaways that convinced them rhino would transfer well...
 

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A law like that is extremely unlikely to come in to place. But as I've said, standard deviation or volatility (how spicy is the game) would be the two most likely to be accepted by the industry and most telling for players.
Unlikely but not impossible. I think that providers should be made to state their claimed feature frequency right beside their rtp on the title screen of the game. I think that would give the player a better understanding of the odds for freespins and what they are getting themselves into and it would cover the provider too.

yeah it should be fun :eek2: I hope they do a high standard/production value job on it, take aspects of the original graphics and sounds but bring it up to date and also have a higher bonus frequency than bonanza, 3 diamonds to get a bonus etc..it may have been the success and style of play of the slot 'primal' megaways that convinced them rhino would transfer well...
Yeah I liked Primal, never had a monster win on it so far but had plenty of bonuses and 1 200x bonus too. Base game can be better than the bonuses!
 
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as trance (I think) pointed out, giving feature rate is just one more peice if IP floating around (and sure, reps, casinos and affys often have that tidbit) - but releasing it to the general public would likely just kill some slots
but even so, it's irrelevant

what good is knowing a bonus 'may' pop at 250 spins - it's across vast numbers......doesnt mean youll see one in 250, it might be 3 in 750, 4 in 1000 and all at the far end of the number

ie 499 spins then bam 2 back to back
 

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Yeah I liked Primal, never had a monster win on it so far but had plenty of bonuses and 1 200x bonus too. Base game can be better than the bonuses!

It's a good game and starts to make you wonder why bonanza needs such a low bonus frequency...

I agree re stating the game's average bonus frequency in the help file, as a part of the rtp advertised is locked away in the bonus round it seems only fair the player has a rough idea of how many spins are required to get a feature. After a while the slot tracking software gives out these figures any way [can't remember the name of that software 'slot tracker'?]
 

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Anyone remember the 'bonus-in-150-spins' days?

No?

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It's a good game and starts to make you wonder why bonanza needs such a low bonus frequency...

I agree re stating the game's average bonus frequency in the help file, as a part of the rtp advertised is locked away in the bonus round it seems only fair the player has a rough idea of how many spins are required to get a feature. After a while the slot tracking software gives out these figures any way [can't remember the name of that software 'slot tracker'?]
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It's a good game and starts to make you wonder why bonanza needs such a low bonus frequency...

I agree re stating the game's average bonus frequency in the help file, as a part of the rtp advertised is locked away in the bonus round it seems only fair the player has a rough idea of how many spins are required to get a feature. After a while the slot tracking software gives out these figures any way [can't remember the name of that software 'slot tracker'?]
I thought slot tracker was just for tracking your wins losses more of an accounting tool but I dont use it so I do not know all the features it has
 

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steamtower must have been quite frequent iirc but could tear you a new one if you were unlucky, rhino is about 1 in 115, and as the minimum stake is 40p, wagering wise it's half of bonanza [460 x20p /115 x 40p]
 

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"Seriously you think that is a good idea what you posted." Sorry Bryan obviously I think it was a good idea or I wouldnt have posted it so to me it is an attack (all be it a very slight one) because it suggests it is something I never thought through and could imply a dig at me for my stupidity by Paul. Thats personal in my book. All I would like is input on the questions I asked and I was very specific about that. I dont need digs and I dont want them, thats trolling.

What he actually means, is that only wants people who agree with him to answer. Other wise you go on his iggy list. as me and Dion have found out.

To be honest with his self righteous posting style, cant see him being around long.
 
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No.
Except on RTG's "Feature Guarantee" slots.
Unfortunately they do NOT guarantee that the feature isn't going to be total pants... except on their "Win-Win" slots :p

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That's funny, because that was the average hit frequency being touted when I first started slotting. Free spins every 150 spins or thereabouts on the games of 'the time'!
 

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I thought slot tracker was just for tracking your wins losses more of an accounting tool but I dont use it so I do not know all the features it has

I don't have it either as I'm too tight to fork out the subscription but seen screenshots of the community info re a slot's average bonus frequency, I think if you play slots a lot and at sites with a huge choice of games, I think it could be worth the outlay.
 

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I don't have it either as I'm too tight to fork out the subscription but seen screenshots of the community info re a slot's average bonus frequency, I think if you play slots a lot and at sites with a huge choice of games, I think it could be worth the outlay.
is it not free?
 

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That's funny, because that was the average hit frequency being touted when I first started slotting. Free spins every 150 spins or thereabouts on the games of 'the time'!
You see its discord like this between experienced players that still needs to be had. Theres to many grey areas and thats my entire point. More transparency destroys the doubts and confusion and it benefits everyone involved from the player to the provider.
 

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That's funny, because that was the average hit frequency being touted when I first started slotting. Free spins every 150 spins or thereabouts on the games of 'the time'!

People have short memories tho lol. Even 10 years ago at the time when free spins should occur within 200 spins or so it could be like today.

I remember sessions 10 years ago where i rattled through £100 on 25p stakes and never got the bonus once which probably would be like a 1000 spins or so. But people tend to forget sessions like that as if everything was great way back then.
 

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People have short memories tho lol. Even 10 years ago at the time when free spins should occur within 200 spins or so it could be like today.

I remember sessions 10 years ago where i rattled through £100 on 25p stakes and never got the bonus once which probably would be like a 1000 spins or so. But people tend to forget sessions like that as if everything was great way back then.
Oh yes make no mistake, people whined like hell even then :laugh:
 
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