Is R.T.P. a misnomer and are its percentages misleading to customers?

mikeMega

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People have short memories tho lol. Even 10 years ago at the time when free spins should occur within 200 spins or so it could be like today.

I remember sessions 10 years ago where i rattled through £100 on 25p stakes and never got the bonus once which probably would be like a 1000 spins or so. But people tend to forget sessions like that as if everything was great way back then.
So the rip session isnt a new thing???!! he says sarcastically!
 

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So the rip session isnt a new thing???!! he says sarcastically!

Afraid not.

Take the old LOTR'S slot. one of my favourites of all time. Once lost £150 on that at minimum stake without hitting bonus once. Considering the fact i had quite a lot of base wins the session must have been thousands of spins before busting without a bonus round.

But average amount of spins until free spins is exactly as it says average.

The same slot i also had several back to back bonus rounds . Also triggered free spins 4 times in about 15 spins once. But it is always losing sessions that get remembered more.
 

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thanks, thought I had seen it was free now. They got bought out by someone didn't they?
truthfully, havent a clue; I dont use it myself - im someone who doesnt even track their deposits - spin and pray kinda guy :D
 

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I thought slot tracker was just for tracking your wins losses more of an accounting tool but I dont use it so I do not know all the features it has
Slot Tracker will give you all the data on each game you play, (your)RTP, and SRP, hit frequency, bonus frequency, No of spins since last bonus, total No of spins, profit and loss, etc. Along with the combined data of all Slot Tracker users.
Plus the details of each individual casino
You should consider using it

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mikeMega

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Afraid not.

Take the old LOTR'S slot. one of my favourites of all time. Once lost £150 on that at minimum stake without hitting bonus once. Considering the fact i had quite a lot of base wins the session must have been thousands of spins before busting without a bonus round.

But average amount of spins until free spins is exactly as it says average.

The same slot i also had several back to back bonus rounds . Also triggered free spins 4 times in about 15 spins once. But it is always losing sessions that get remembered more.
Thats it Paul,sure we cant have a brilliant winning session with a bunch of bonuses within 200 spins without the drought to compensate. I just think thatthe advertising needs to be honest and something as simple as a statement like "average feature frequency 250 spins. Feature not guaranteed within 250 spins" is as easy to understand as anything and it covers the provider and gives the player fair warning.

Slot Tracker will give you all the data on each game you play, (your)RTP, and SRP, hit frequency, bonus frequency, No of spins since last bonus, total No of spins, profit and loss, etc. Along with the combined data of all Slot Tracker users.
Plus the details of each individual casino
You should consider using it

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can this app recover previous statistics for any given ip address or does it work from the day of installation forward?
 
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can this app recover previous statistics for any given ip address or does it work from the day of installation forward?

It gives you the details and reports from all people using it in community results over whatever period of time.

But your own personal results only start from second you start using it. It can not tell you about your own previous sessions before you started using it.
 

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It is free.
Sounds too good to be true!! who owns it and are users protected from data sharing? You guys are gonna see just how dubious I am about everything LMAO!! I had personal data hacked from the massive breach of the website myheritage.com last year. over 1000000 peoples info was scooped. Next thing you know half the call centres in India where calling the land line night and day on the scam!!! Got to the stage now I never answer the landline and I keep "who called me" open in a tab as soon as I open chrome!! lmao!!!
 

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Sounds too good to be true!! who owns it and are users protected from data sharing? You guys are gonna see just how dubious I am about everything LMAO!! I had personal data hacked from the massive breach of the website myheritage.com last year. over 1000000 peoples info was scooped. Next thing you know half the call centres in India where calling the land line night and day on the scam!!! Got to the stage now I never answer the landline and I keep "who called me" open in a tab as soon as I open chrome!! lmao!!!

If my pc can handle it I think I might start using it. But ignorance is sometimes bliss, if I find my rtp is 60% on a slot am I more likely to then chase on the basis of the law of large numbers or an overdue rtp correction, or if it's the other way 120% stop playing a game when it could still be a good game to play...

Everything is tracking us online in one way or another but you can never be too careful I guess.
 

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Unlikely but not impossible. I think that providers should be made to state their claimed feature frequency right beside their rtp on the title screen of the game. I think that would give the player a better understanding of the odds for freespins and what they are getting themselves into and it would cover the provider too.

And I've already explained in detail in this thread why that would be utterly pointless, to which you said "That's nothing I dont already know". So either you ignored everything I said, or you dont actually understand anything I said.
 

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You see its discord like this between experienced players that still needs to be had. Theres to many grey areas and thats my entire point. More transparency destroys the doubts and confusion and it benefits everyone involved from the player to the provider.

No, it doesnt. For all the reasons I gave in the post you clearly ignored but claimed to know everything in.

What would you do if I told you a feature was 1 in 100, but you went 1000 spins without it. Which is certainly possible on a random game... You would moan about it, claim the 1 in 100 was a lie, and then you would be back on here complaining that you needed more information. Of that, I'm certain.
 

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Thats it Paul,sure we cant have a brilliant winning session with a bunch of bonuses within 200 spins without the drought to compensate. I just think thatthe advertising needs to be honest and something as simple as a statement like "average feature frequency 250 spins. Feature not guaranteed within 250 spins" is as easy to understand as anything and it covers the provider and gives the player fair warning.


can this app recover previous statistics for any given ip address or does it work from the day of installation forward?


RTP is not a personal guarantee from the casino, or provider. Alas some people believe it is and therefore fail to understand the concept of 'gambling'.

'A drought to compensate'? Nothing of the sort - it's simply the maths/odds in play whereby you were lucky enough to hit a winning run which is odds-against, and to do that twice on the bounce is stretching the odds therefore is far more unlikely.
 

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That's funny, because that was the average hit frequency being touted when I first started slotting. Free spins every 150 spins or thereabouts on the games of 'the time'!
AVERAGE - yes. And it still is that for the majority of "free-spin feature" slots.
But the way you worded your original post, I thought you meant he feature WOULD hit in 150 spins.

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I'm stunned I didn't know about this. I use Poker Tracker but didn't realise there was a slot version :D
Installing...


You're opening up a whole world of hell for yourself, as your stats could well read like 'misery fiction' after a few months lol.
 
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