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Why all online casino's are rigged

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Woody50, Jun 24, 2008.

    Jun 24, 2008
  1. Woody50

    Woody50 Dormant account

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    I will be the first to admit that I am a bloody idiot for playing with these money grabbing sites. I have just come to realize that when you play online the games remember where your are in the play cycle, so if you have a win on a game then get off it and never touch it again as it will then go on the take, that little message "refreshing state" is so obvious when you stop and think about it. Also i have noticed that a few casino's for some reason let you win at first and then start taking with relentess abandon. I do not believe that these casinos have payouts of more than ninety percent, I have never ever in the long haul got 90% back, actually over the long term I get back nothing, they take it and everything that gets put in. The only way to make money on the online Casino is own one and let the suckers pay you instead.

    I win and retain more at land based casinos where you can get up and play other machines, the online ones just wait for your return and its all downhill from there. I will be putting up a few websites warning of the dangers of online casino sites. By the way have you ever wondered why this Casinomeister site is here? It is because they get paid by the Casino's for every sucker that gets directed to them . Fact! not Fiction! This site makes money by skimming a fee directly from the Casinos it pushes on this site... Fucking human nature at its best. Well done hope you sleep well at night.
     
  2. Jun 24, 2008
  3. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

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    We are all entitled to our own option that's for sure.
    I guess we are all suckers for entertainment

    I think you owe Bryan an apology here.
    It's not good to bash anyone for what they may do for a living.
    This is his place for business.
    I look at it this way if I go into a store and I don't like what I see I would never walk back into that store again.
     
  4. Jun 24, 2008
  5. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    Seems like you have lost much at online-casino(s) and now just trying to blow your steam off...But it's no good to make allegations like you made about Casinomeister forum. We are all humans here and I think it's possible to find better way to complain.

    Edit: try Live Games, many online-casinos are offering Live Roulette, BlackJack, etc. This is the same as if you played at land-based casino :) Just a quick advice :)
     
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2008
  6. Jun 24, 2008
  7. Fleur-De-Lis

    Fleur-De-Lis Senior Member MM

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    ...that's where / how I lost my first 30.000 euros...
    Sorry for OT
    ;)
     
  8. Jun 24, 2008
  9. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    That's where I won my first 14.000$ :) But if I lost, at least I wouldn't say that casino cheated me.
     
  10. Jun 24, 2008
  11. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Hi woody,

    Sounds like a case of getting into a bad spot - a place where you don't want to be. No one should allow a casino to kick their ass - it's supposed to be an enjoyable mode of entertainment - not one that causes one to lash out at everything and everyone.

    It sort of reminds me of the guy I saw losing his cool at the Luxor. Spearmaster and I were playing slots, and there was this cowboy beating the shit out of a slot machine. He was all bent out of shape and really lost face. He let a machine get the best of him.

    Don't fall into that trap. If you need to move on - move on. Gambling is not for everybody. For some people, it takes an incredible amount of self control. For others, it's no biggie.

    As for the service Casinomeister provides, you need to venture further than the message board. That's only a part of what goes on here.

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    and one you should pay particular attention to:
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    And that's the tip of the iceberg.

    As for how I get paid? Think of it as a magazine. You don't have to buy something from every ad when reading Bluff Magazine, Newsweek, or Men's Health do you? Or imagine it like TV. In fact 38% of the visitors never see the banners here anyway, so what's the big deal?
     
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  12. Jun 24, 2008
  13. james01

    james01 Dormant account

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    if the expected payout is less than 100%, then odds state that if you play long enough you will almost certainly lose all of your money.

    It has nothing to do with it being rigged.
    Imagine you put $100 in a machine with 90% payout.
    Play all your coins once, and you expect $90
    do it again, you'll have $81
    go again, and you're at ~ $73
    4. ~$66
    5. ~$59
    6. ~$53
    7. ~$48
    8. ~$43
    9. ~$39
    10. ~$35
    11. ~$31
    12. ~$28
    13. ~$25
    14. ~$23
    15. ~$20
    16. ~$18
    17. ~$16
    18. ~$15
    .... and so on... basically if you got exactly the expected results, the longer you continued playing, the closer you'd get to zero.

    The reason people come out ahead is because there are ups and downs along the way - that's why it's important to cash out small wins. If you chase the big win too far, you will likely lose everything - simple statistics.
     
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  14. Jun 24, 2008
  15. USA2112

    USA2112 Dormant account

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    Any casino land base or online will take your money if you allow them to, it's about enjoyment and self control when you play. When that is gone it is time to take a break or quit all together.

    As to making websites that express the dangers of gambling at online casinos or land base casinos, that is a good idea. You would be devoting your time to something that could have a possitive outcome, if not just for yourself, this could also help others as well that feel the same way you do. :thumbsup: Here's a good place to start and it's free! You must register/login in order to see the link. and they have nice admin options too.
     
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  16. Jun 24, 2008
  17. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    James01 makes a very good point about diminishing returns.
     
  18. Jun 24, 2008
  19. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

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    james does make a good point, if we sometimes would just do that, i get more mad at myself when i dont cash out and its so much easier to blame the casino than myself when im the one that didnt follow my gutt feeling and hit that withdraw button..........thats why i go for the smaller cashouts now, when i can.....there are several posts that i have made and just set back and thought" laurie you sure did just make an ass out of yourself ", we all say or post things at one time or another that we wish we could just take back........laurie:)
     
  20. Jun 24, 2008
  21. lauram

    lauram Dormant account

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    How true this is my big oh oh for week. As you know i deposit only 25 at a time
    got up past 200 but the rj are high so thought im home some time on my hands
    ill go for some. Yes 3 of them went while i was playing that lil pop up box said sorry game closing due to progressive jackpot win. Wasnt me lol. So i went to the next set and did same till im done to 0 but I should of cashed out would of given me 8 deposits. But the 25 i deposited on last wed lasted me till now so in way kinda works out almost the same. Im just tired of dead spins or you have your 2 scatter symbols and 3rd is on last wheel and poof it either pushes it back up or down. Anyways the dumb blonde i am is off depositing again not sure where yet, up double in mg maybe i should just cash that out and start fresh will see. As they say someone has to win the big ones maybe one time will be a few of us regulars from here would be nice to see. GOOD LUCK ALL
     
  22. Jun 25, 2008
  23. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Possible, but highly improbable. If online casinos needed to cheat to stay in business then so would land-based. (More so in fact, because they have bigger overheads). Same games, same odds, same players playing the same way.
    If online casinos are rigged how come I've been winning from them for 7-years?
    (And don't give me any of that 'affiliate lies' BS - I have a computer full of data to back up my results).

    The other replies have said it already I know, but to reiterate:-
    If you keep losing and you're not happy about it - STOP GAMBLING!
    Take up a hobby which does make you happy.
     
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  24. Jun 25, 2008
  25. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    The difference is that on-line casinos offer bonuses. Something just doesn't add up if casino offers positive value bonuses and low house edge games. They would need huge turnovers on high house-edge games such a slots to pay off the value of bonuses. Making profit and offering player edge in bonuses just isn't mathematically possible.

    That is a poor argument. The only way you have been winning is by retaining a part of the bonus value. Perhaps you should have won twice more if the odds were true. And it is possible that the rigging kicks in on larger bet sizes and by low-rolling you have simply avoided this mechanism to be activated.

    If somebody is conviced that they have been cheated, my suggestion is to gather evidence to prove that and make the casino face the consequences. If you just quit, you let them win, which is also in the best interests of affiliates.
     
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  26. Jun 25, 2008
  27. oldandboring40

    oldandboring40 Experienced Member

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    i went through the same phase you are several years ago. you learn the hard way that unlike land based casinos there is a whole lot more strategy involved with online gaming. you can come out alright but if you dont have a buttload of self control it can be tough.
     
  28. Jun 25, 2008
  29. USA2112

    USA2112 Dormant account

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    Considering some casinos offer incentives for their players like 100% match bonus at 10 to 14 X's wager with no max cash out, bonuses can be profitable. If the player deposits $50 they then receive $50 bonus totaling $100 to play with allowing the player to place higher wagers. And with only a $1000 to $1400 total wager to clear the bonus before cashing out any winnings, Most players will wager that much in one sitting in a casino on $1 bets, it just depends on the bonus.

    That's what's important proof.

    Not sure I see how this would be in the best interest of the casino or affiliate, the casino would lose a depositing player and the affiliate would lose commission for that player.
     
  30. Jun 25, 2008
  31. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Well I'm sorry, but that is just total nonsense for lots of reasons. Here's some of them:-

    1. Not very many casinos offer +EV bonuses.
    2. Even if they are +EV, the amount to be gained is minor. (e.g. 100% on $100 might be +EV by $10 - $15)
    3. Not all players take the bonuses with the sole purpose of trying to milk them by playing the lowest risk strategy. I have no idea of the figures of course, but I would be very surprised if it's higher than 1 in 10.
    4. Even those casinos who do offer +EV sign-up bonuses usually only give the player one. Casinos have 1000's of returning players taking -EV bonuses, or no bonuses at all. That's where they make their money.
    5. Some of the best +EV bonuses I know come from very honest reputable UK bookmakers who would not dare to cheat their customers.
    6. My opinion is casinos are prepared to offer these +EV SUBs to essentially 'buy' new players who they hope will carry on to be regular depositors. They spend 10,000's on TV & other advertising, so why not spend 10,000's 'buying players'? I reckon it's just accepted as part of the marketing budget.

    The above is just my opinion - I'm no gambling expert and I have no insider knowledge.
     
  32. Jun 27, 2008
  33. poser

    poser Experienced Member

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    I can only say one thing:

    There's are certain Playtech group, that will give you bonusses on and on.

    Mostly cashable, only 10 to 12 times rollover, casino holdem allowed !!!

    Bonusses from 50% to 200% (up to 400) , or 100% + 50 free, deposit 20 min.

    You'll get those bonusses for years (at least 20 bonuses a month) !! (So do I).....

    But in fact, those casinos MUST lose big and since some weeks now, I think they did a little to MY payouts. Now the results for C.Holdem are so extremly unpossible, I sometimes can only lol about.

    I asked for play history, but they "cannot" give me theese histories !!!

    I even cannot cry out, imagine HOW MUCH I won from them (its a really big group).

    But I MUST think they cheat in the long run. How can they affort this otherwise ??
     
  34. Jun 27, 2008
  35. uungy

    uungy Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

    Personally the biggest problem with online gaming is the speed of table games. With a standard live casino, a hand can take a bit to play, while online, you cann play up to 7 hands a minute. So it can look as though in the real casino you are playing longer but the fact is thatyou are playing 7 times faster.

    Slots are the same in a sense, The whole idea and time walking into a casino, exchanging chips, drinking, playing, changing machines, finding a "hot machine" also takes time, meanwhile online it is fater.

    So if you play $500 in a live casino for about an hour, it would last you about 10 minutes online.

    Just a theory
     
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  36. Jun 28, 2008
  37. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    I guess it depends on your definition of rigged.
    All the slots I have ever played have been weighted so can not be random in the true sense.
    That is an indisputable fact.
    Are they 95%?
    I usually get more like 85% at a good MG casino.

    My first ever online casino was an MG and off a small deposit I hit the jackpot on Avalon (5 wilds) the jackpot on loaded 4 ladies with the wild during free spins the jackpot on secret admirer and several big wins of over 500Xbet.

    1000 deposits later and I have never hit a win close to any of those.

    I reckon the probability of me hitting the way I did and then losing the way I have ever since being just coincidence is very low.

    But hey we don't have to play and thanks to this forum we have somewhere to sound off and when you have a go at Brian you are venting in the wrong direction.
    This forum is the best moderated and most informative casino site out there and Brian's points are absolutely valid.

    Other than that Woody I am on your side.
     
  38. Jun 28, 2008
  39. D!G!TAL

    D!G!TAL Webmeister webmeister

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    To OP-
    The diminshing returns is probably the best point made so far- Gamblers Ruin! You have to know when to stop!

    There is a difference between 'payout' and 'hold'. If you make a 100 deposit and manage to wager 1000 on a 90% payout machine and win 900- you hit the 90% payout but the casino gets all your cash (100% hold). To you, you just see 100 lost rather than the wins in between maintaining the payout at 90%. 90% doesnt mean you will end your session with 90, you could do if you knew when to cash out.

    This is a simple example but if you do not understand the priciple it is easy to feel that the pay out percentage is a sham- you say yourself you have never got 90% back, when in fact it is likely you have had more back, perhaps 95%.

    The secret is to know when to stop playing...
     
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