White Label Casinos

[lcfc80]

Hi all. Hope people can spare some time for me on here as I have a few questions about white label casinos and the software involved.

Firstly, I currently work in sport betting affiliate marketing but would like to have my own 'brand' instead and have spoke to one particular firm that seem pretty decent so far.

The main question I have is do customers seem to mind playing at a white label casino as it is basically a copy or do they not really notice due to many different casinos using the same games suppliers anyway?

There is no need to mention the company but they say they use microgaming (quickfire) and having seen them around a lot I am assuming this can only be a good thing

If there are many affiliates on here the same question really goes to them as about the customer one. Do you mind promoting white label casino's or would you not bother? Or as long as the casino is a quality product for customers and the affiliate program is well run you'd be happy to work with them?

Also should there be anything else I should be looking for? I am good at the marketing side of my current job but don't have a huge experience of the workings of the casino side

Any information, help or guidance would be very appreciated and feel free to pm me if you want to know the company I have been looking at so far

thanks

 

[dunover]

Hi all. Hope people can spare some time for me on here as I have a few questions about white label casinos and the software involved.

Firstly, I currently work in sport betting affiliate marketing but would like to have my own 'brand' instead and have spoke to one particular firm that seem pretty decent so far.

The main question I have is do customers seem to mind playing at a white label casino as it is basically a copy or do they not really notice due to many different casinos using the same games suppliers anyway?

There is no need to mention the company but they say they use microgaming (quickfire) and having seen them around a lot I am assuming this can only be a good thing

If there are many affiliates on here the same question really goes to them as about the customer one. Do you mind promoting white label casino's or would you not bother? Or as long as the casino is a quality product for customers and the affiliate program is well run you'd be happy to work with them?

Also should there be anything else I should be looking for? I am good at the marketing side of my current job but don't have a huge experience of the workings of the casino side

Any information, help or guidance would be very appreciated and feel free to pm me if you want to know the company I have been looking at so far

thanks

White Label casinos do not have a glowing reputation on here, and are considered usually 'at own risk'. I would assume their affiliate programs would have the same caution involved. I am merely a player, and have no experience of affiliate networks but there are a few on here who will put you right. I do know that reputable persons here would not promote sites that would not meet certain proven standards to the members here, so I would advise you to let them tell you the score and if you are doing any sort of promoting it's good form to contact Max/Bryan first.

 

[Nicola]

Beware of the white label group 'Plus-Five Gaming'... my other half won on Immortal Romance and he was told "we don't like your sort here" - he was betting max bet £3.00 and they withheld his winnings.

Stick with the main casinos which are accredited here

 

[bsilva028]

i dont play at white labels and i dont recomend them

 

[lcfc80]

Beware of the white label group 'Plus-Five Gaming'... my other half won on Immortal Romance and he was told "we don't like your sort here" - he was betting max bet £3.00 and they withheld his winnings.

Stick with the main casinos which are accredited here

thank you for that, they are actually in my favourite list after I contacted them and never heard anything back so they are definitely not being chased up if the firm I'm talking to end up not working out

thanks for the first reply as well

 

[jetset]

I think that the trouble with white labels is that the purveyors of such sites in the past and in many cases today have not been particularly diligent about who they sell these businesses to.

The result has been an alarmingly high proportion of screw-ups, unprofessional marketing and other bad conduct that has dissatisfied players.

As a result some providers have seriously damaged their reputations, and it is (as a previous poster has commented) a good idea to make a few enquiries of experienced affys here on the forum, along with Max and Bryan before you get involved with any company.

 

[Webzcas]

There is no need to mention the company but they say they use microgaming (quickfire) and having seen them around a lot I am assuming this can only be a good thing

I was also approached the other week by Progress Play, who are offering Microgaming white labels. I turned it down flat. Have enough problem running my own sites, let alone the headache that comes with being behind a white label, which is nothing more than a glorified affiliate site. Whereby you have no control over anything, other than the promotion of said site.

 

[KasinoKing]

I think that the trouble with white labels is that the purveyors of such sites in the past and in many cases today have not been particularly diligent about who they sell these businesses to.
The result has been an alarmingly high proportion of screw-ups, unprofessional marketing and other bad conduct that has dissatisfied players.

Agree with this. ANY casino is only as good as the management who are running it, white label or otherwise.
The problem comes in cases where the criteria for purchasing a white label is not set as high as outright ownership.

KK

 

[maxd]

... an alarmingly high proportion of screw-ups, unprofessional marketing and other bad conduct that has dissatisfied players.

... nothing more than a glorified affiliate site. Whereby you have no control over anything, other than the promotion of said site.

+1 on both counts.

In my experience dealing with player complaints I see it this way: a player at any given casino may have a problem but a player at any given white-label casino probably will.

White labels are generally run like shoddy franchises: they buy into the name but generally offer none of the real services that made the parent company successful enough to be selling franchises in the first place.

As far as players are concerned white label = red flag, IMHO.

 

[Nifty29]

Agree with this. ANY casino is only as good as the management who are running it, white label or otherwise.
The problem comes in cases where the criteria for purchasing a white label is not set as high as outright ownership.

KK

Including Rival?

Do you know for sure that the criteria for full ownership and white labels at Rival are exactly the same?

 

[Redbet-Andy]

Not 100% of the time but you have to consider the fact that a company is setting out to create a casino business and taking a shortcut, which is less efficient and more expensive.

There are some exceptions but that lack of initial investment in time, and staff, often hints at the quality of an operation.

 

[KasinoKing]

Including Rival?
Do you know for sure that the criteria for full ownership and white labels at Rival are exactly the same?

I never said they were the same, did I?

KK

 

[Nifty29]

I never said they were the same, did I?

KK

You said:

"The problem comes in cases where the criteria for purchasing a white label is not set as high as outright ownership."

By extension, since you promote many Rival white labels, you must be convinced that the criteria for direct ownership and white labelling are identical. Otherwise, you would be promoting casinos that are certain to have problems (according to you). It would be great if you could share the source of that information with us, as history shows that the bar is set fairly low for one and even lower for the other.

Sorry if it looks like a derail, but IMO its a very important point and shows that some affiliates will promote white labels knowing full well they could go rogue at any moment. If affiliates refused to promote white labels and insisted on direct ownership and management the whole white label idea will fade away and make the Industry a safer place for punters.

 

[maxd]

Gentlemen, blades down please. Nifty, please review the Posting Rules regarding personal agendas. Your criticism is noted but derailing here in order to pursue that is not cool.

 

[jetset]

I'd like to hear more about this Progress Play outfit punting Microgaming white labels.

MGS have had white label problems in the past, and one would hope that they have learned from their mistakes back then and are applying more stringent requirements for potential white label clients.

If they're outsourcing the sale of their white labels I would think that has some perils - working at one remove carries added risk in this area imo.

 

[Webzcas]

Jetset, I have sent you an email.

 

[Mousey]

I'm just a player, but I purely hate 'white labels'. I don't truly understand exactly what they are, nor why reputable casino groups would need them.

Look at the problem with Casino 888 with bonus terms that forbid taking same certain bonuses at more than one of their casinos and/or labels - but then can't or won't tell or post a list of all their casinos/labels.

I want some idea of who I'm dealing with when forking over personal and financial info and my money.

 

[jetset]

I agree - and when these dumps fail neither the owner, the go-between or the provider accept responsibility, leaving the player out of pocket....as usual.

 

[Jasminebed]

Players may not be aware that a casino is a white label, or really understand what one is.

But when I read

don't have a huge experience of the workings of the casino side

I can see how a player would be almost bound to encounter issues.

We encounter issues at the best of casinos, but experience has taught them how to deal with these issues.

 

[Nifty29]

Gentlemen, blades down please. Nifty, please review the Posting Rules regarding personal agendas. Your criticism is noted but derailing here in order to pursue that is not cool.

Apologies to those involved in this thread.

I had a valid point but didn't make it appropriately and should have known better.

 

[lcfc80]

How are Tain felt by players and other industry people? Good reputation?

 

[lcfc80]

How are Tain felt by players and other industry people? Good reputation?

Just wanted to bum this question as I don't think many people seen it

Also I have aquired the domain casinosupreme.co.uk Would that appeal as a brand name in everyone's opinions?

As always happy to hear negative comments if people can say why

thanks

Aidan

 

[vinylweatherman]

Just wanted to bum this question as I don't think many people seen it

Also I have aquired the domain casinosupreme.co.uk Would that appeal as a brand name in everyone's opinions?

As always happy to hear negative comments if people can say why

thanks

Aidan

I beg your pardon


Casino Supreme is not very imaginative. EVERY casino tries to brand itself as the "best on the net", and choosing words such as "supreme" for the name is one way of doing it. The problem is that so many casinos use this trick that no-one can take such claims seriously.

there is also an existing .fr site for casinosupreme, and Supreme Play casino. This could result in legal issues for the above .uk site

Other words to avoid are "Gold" and "Club", along with "VIP" and "Lounge". Names with innuendo or alternate meanings in some languages should also be avoided, a lesson Gold Stream casino obviously failed to learn

 

[dunover]

I beg your pardon


Casino Supreme is not very imaginative. EVERY casino tries to brand itself as the "best on the net", and choosing words such as "supreme" for the name is one way of doing it. The problem is that so many casinos use this trick that no-one can take such claims seriously.

there is also an existing .fr site for casinosupreme, and Supreme Play casino. This could result in legal issues for the above .uk site

Other words to avoid are "Gold" and "Club", along with "VIP" and "Lounge". Names with innuendo or alternate meanings in some languages should also be avoided, a lesson Gold Stream casino obviously failed to learn

To 'bum' VWM is not, in this case, an indication of the poster's predilection for sodomy. 'Bum' a cigarette for example. A colloquial term for borrowing or cadging. As you well know

 

[vinylweatherman]

To 'bum' VWM is not, in this case, an indication of the poster's predilection for sodomy. 'Bum' a cigarette for example. A colloquial term for borrowing or cadging. As you well know

Borrowing or cadging the question......

Doesn't make as much sense as...........

It means something different again in the US.

 

[Igor82]

I had a valid point but didn't make it appropriately and should have known better.

hahaha - sorry nifty but that's as back-handed apology as you get not jabbing at you here i promise, it just reminded me of a family guy episode where Brian tells Stewie "I'm sorry I over-reacted at you doing such a sh*t job."

gave me a right giggle

 

[Igor82]

Agree with this. ANY casino is only as good as the management who are running it, white label or otherwise.

KK

I cant agree more, HOWEVER, a white label will have much more stringent limitations on how they want to run their business whereas if the provider is slow in query responses, or name a host of other things that would need operator involvement, whether they want it or not the white label will suffer.

That said, there are some great operator/provider blends like from example EveryMatrix which functions as a turnkey solution but also gives all the necessary tools for a quick rise of a casino with great management, and also offer all the necessary functions not to bottleneck their operation. Those are basically platform with added perk of not having to wait months and in some cases years for a licence and allow smart ambitious managers to branch off on their own with less investment than it would be necessary otherwise.

As such I wouldn't write off any white label, but i would inquire as a player who does that white label belong to and make my decision with that information in mind.

 

[GoldennRoller]

hello , If you are looking to actually run a casino I would suggest to play "white label casinos". thanks

 

[hengels]

Faked white label casinos - be careful!

Hi all. Hope people can spare some time for me on here as I have a few questions about white label casinos and the software involved...

There are many providers in the market who are nothing else than scammers. So be careful. You should read at turnkeycasinos.com the article about faked white label casinos: *snip*

You can find on this website also a list of trustworthy white label casino providers.