Whats the worst excuse for removing a bonus?

[zman]

(sorry admin i posted in the bonus section by mistake plz delete that post)

I got a whopper today.

I played BJ too fast so i must be a bot! Yes bots wager $290k within 24 hours and 600k in the last week.

I wont release full details yet because im still awaiting answers but thought we could have some fun while we wait

 

[winbig]

(sorry admin i posted in the bonus section by mistake plz delete that post)

I got a whopper today.

I played BJ too fast so i must be a bot! Yes bots wager $290k within 24 hours and 600k in the last week.

I wont release full details yet because im still awaiting answers but thought we could have some fun while we wait

What was your avg bet size to reach $290K in wagering? How long was the session(s)?

 

[GrandMaster]

What sort of speed were you playing at? There was a similar thread once before, https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...-blackjack-fraud-says-i-played-too-fast.7086/ and I posted a screenshot showing manual play at speed exceeding 22 hands/minute.

 

[winbig]

There's a way to solve this once and for all and not give the casino the option of saying you're a cheat.

There's plenty of freeware programs out there that will make a video of what's on your computer screen. Take a video of one of your sessions and send it to them, and all of this will be laid to rest; assuming it's not a rogue outfit you're playing at.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

What sort of speed were you playing at? There was a similar thread once before, https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...-blackjack-fraud-says-i-played-too-fast.7086/ and I posted a screenshot showing manual play at speed exceeding 22 hands/minute.

Hell, I average 12 to 13 hands per minute (or did but may not play online again as I have been told it is just not right for one player to mess up a casino's float at the expense of all other players) generally at an average just under max. bet and generally unless the software stops me (maybe one or two platforms) I will hit a few hard 20's (hard 17 thru 19's also of course by mistake) along the way in a session playing that fast or I guess slow relative to 22 hands per minute and I can not imagine anybody not doing the same playing that fast. Of course, I am sure bots know to bust with 30 (why is it always 30 and not 29??,lol). Should be a defense against the BS these onlines pull unless you got very unlucky and kept drawing aces on that hard 20. Happened to me once and hell I might even had doubled down that hard 20...Good Luck Zman with the BS

 

[SlotsWizard]

It sounds like an excuse to not pay you. A bot would neither remove nor decrease the house edge. It would cause you to lose at a faster pace.

 

[heatherad]

How about a good reason NOT to take a bonus

I was reading up on a new casino last night and had to re-read the following terms a number of times out of disbelief.
Is this the first casino that has these terms and conditions or are there more out there?

From the casino website....
The maximum cashout limitation is permanently enforced on your account once you take any deposit bonus. All future withdrawals become limited to the most recent maximum cashout you had with the last bonus you took. The fact that you don't take a bonus on your latest deposit is not considered relevant. Once you take a bonus whatever the last available maximum cashout on your account was is considered the maximum withdrawable amount.

Example : If you deposit $ 100 & receive a 200% bonus the bonus you will receive will be 200% of $ 100 = $ 200. Since the maximum cashout is 5X the amount of the bonus the maximum withdrawable amount will be $ 200 x 5 = $ 1000. Let's say you either win and withdraw the maximum cashout or lose everything and then decide to deposit $ 100 again but choose not to take a bonus this time (a bonus is always available to take on insertcasinonamehere.com) In this case your maximum cashout will still be $ 1000. Even if you win $ 1500 the maximum withdrawable amount will remain $ 1000 even though you didn't take a bonus on the last deposit. This maximum cashout won't change until you take another bonus which has a different maximum cashout.

The reasoning behind this rule is simple. Whatever deposit bonus we offer is redeemable unlimited times. So if you are a player that enjoys bonuses there is no reason not to redeem at least one of our bonuses on every deposit (no reason except bonus abuse of course, which we deplore)

 

[lojo]

Oh please DO name and shame!

I was reading up on a new casino last night and had to re-read the following terms a number of times out of disbelief.
Is this the first casino that has these terms and conditions or are there more out there?

From the casino website....
The maximum cashout limitation is permanently enforced on your account once you take any deposit bonus. All future withdrawals become limited to the most recent maximum cashout you had with the last bonus you took. The fact that you don't take a bonus on your latest deposit is not considered relevant. Once you take a bonus whatever the last available maximum cashout on your account was is considered the maximum withdrawable amount.

Example : If you deposit $ 100 & receive a 200% bonus the bonus you will receive will be 200% of $ 100 = $ 200. Since the maximum cashout is 5X the amount of the bonus the maximum withdrawable amount will be $ 200 x 5 = $ 1000. Let's say you either win and withdraw the maximum cashout or lose everything and then decide to deposit $ 100 again but choose not to take a bonus this time (a bonus is always available to take on insertcasinonamehere.com) In this case your maximum cashout will still be $ 1000. Even if you win $ 1500 the maximum withdrawable amount will remain $ 1000 even though you didn't take a bonus on the last deposit. This maximum cashout won't change until you take another bonus which has a different maximum cashout.

The reasoning behind this rule is simple. Whatever deposit bonus we offer is redeemable unlimited times. So if you are a player that enjoys bonuses there is no reason not to redeem at least one of our bonuses on every deposit (no reason except bonus abuse of course, which we deplore)

 

[heatherad]

Oh please DO name and shame!

Wasn't sure if I was allowed to name the casino or not so I played it safe.
From what I've read on the casino, it is new. The casino is Pamper Casino, and I may be wrong, but I think I might have read something on this forum about them too.

 

[winbig]

Wasn't sure if I was allowed to name the casino or not so I played it safe.
From what I've read on the casino, it is new. The casino is Pamper Casino, and I may be wrong, but I think I might have read something on this forum about them too.

A quick google search on Pamper casino will turn up many posts on other forums....with plenty of reasons not to play there

 

[heatherad]

A quick google search on Pamper casino will turn up many posts on other forums....with plenty of reasons not to play there

Never thought of that, I was turned off as soon as I read what I had posted earlier. Wonder if anyone else thought of Pamper diapers when they saw the name?! But I'm sure they were referring to the other *Pamper* as in...we'll pamper you, lol.

 

[winbig]

Never thought of that, I was turned off as soon as I read what I had posted earlier. Wonder if anyone else thought of Pamper diapers when they saw the name?! But I'm sure they were referring to the other *Pamper* as in...we'll pamper you, lol.

With that term you pointed out, now I know why they're offering a $100ND chip. Max cashout = 1x.

So when they enforce the max cashout rule on your next depsit, you're stuck with a max. cashout of $100.

Wouldn't it suck if you didn't pay attention to that and deposited $300?


This place is worse than RTG:

The maximum withdrawable amount on any bonus of 200% or below is 5X the amount of the bonus.

Are these guys smoking crack???

How do bonus abusers abuse your bonuses?

Example : Deposit $ 500 and get a 300% slots bonus. Lose $ 2000 quickly and deliberately. Total loss as per casino = $ 2000. Odds would dictate it is time to win a bit. Deposit $ 1000 or more and don't take a bonus and quickly gain on the casino and get your balance as high as possible before quickly withdrawing. This term is in place to discourage this type of abusive behavior.

If a player is going to lose deliberately, wouldn't the casino want to encourage this? lmao

I don't think they're going to pay their affiliates either. How can they offer 50% of each "sale" (read: deposit) and stay in business if they were honest????

Join our Affiliate Program and earn the following commissions:

50% Commission for every sale.

edit:

Oh, they can't even get their story straight....further down the page:

We currently have our introductory 50-50 program as you can see above! You earn 50% of net profits from all players you send to us. That is the biggest payout in the industry right now. Once the affiliate site overhaul is complete this will come down to 35% for new affiliates but those that signup now will get to stay at 50% forever so signup today!

 

[zman]

Average bet i think would be around the 150 mark. I played a few sessions maybe 6 hours total over 24 hours.

After a marathon chat session to the "manager" that removed the bonus, i request stats and figures for all my bj play.

Then this morning I found a new email by a different manager saying they will be reinstating my bonus. The kicker here was that i wagered $290,000 ($290 comp points) but they told me i wagered $250,000. So they will give me another $50k off my initial wagering requirements. Thanks ... lol

So now i have to play through wagering to get the bonus which isnt very good for me but i will let it go for now.

 

[heatherad]

Average bet i think would be around the 150 mark. I played a few sessions maybe 6 hours total over 24 hours.

After a marathon chat session to the "manager" that removed the bonus, i request stats and figures for all my bj play.

Then this morning I found a new email by a different manager saying they will be reinstating my bonus. The kicker here was that i wagered $290,000 ($290 comp points) but they told me i wagered $250,000. So they will give me another $50k off my initial wagering requirements. Thanks ... lol

So now i have to play through wagering to get the bonus which isnt very good for me but i will let it go for now.

 

[suzecat]

Yes, it's new...........I played there last week.........was not impressed.

 

[vinylweatherman]

How do bonus abusers abuse your bonuses?

Example : Deposit $ 500 and get a 300% slots bonus. Lose $ 2000 quickly and deliberately. Total loss as per casino = $ 2000. Odds would dictate it is time to win a bit. Deposit $ 1000 or more and don't take a bonus and quickly gain on the casino and get your balance as high as possible before quickly withdrawing. This term is in place to discourage this type of abusive behavior.

Very simple explanation - CHEATING SOFTWARE, "Fruit Machine" style.

If the games were NOT random, but percentage stabilised, like a Fruit machine, this tactic would most certainly work, and work well. In this case, the total "force" on the machine would be $2000, but would have cost only $500. A further deposit with no bonus, but then going WITH the software, and not trying to lose, would mean the percentage stabiliser kicks in, and returns 90% or so of the forced loss earlier, depending on the amount paid on the game.

If the games ARE random, as would be expected of a genuine casino, this excuse is a load of BS, and probably hides the REAL reason behind the rule, which is to ensure players are ALWAYS bound by a WR and max cashout, meaning all big wins will NEVER have to be paid out, and will revert to the house.

As a long term UK Fruit Machine player, I can assure this rogue outfit that this term will NOT protect them from "bonus abuse" through "forcing" their percentage stabilised games, provided it is done properly, and deposits, withdrawals, bonuses, and calculations are done correctly.
For example, if you inadvertently exceed the max cashout, you would simply "force" the game again (lose deliberately), until you had the max cashout as your balance, which you would withdraw.

Perhaps I should sign up as "vinylweatherman" and try this, and see if I get paid

 

[steinhaug]

If a player is going to lose deliberately, wouldn't the casino want to encourage this? lmao

This inly confirms my earlier finds, if you loose fast - you are sure to win afterwards with lower bets! The casino infact tells you in plane site that the system will balance your payout!

There is no logic if I loose $2000 I have a good chance of winning back $1000! This is called the gamblers falace or whatever, however - in online terms - it makes perfect sence!

So when doing this, which I can confirm works - it's called bonus abuse! LOL! By the way, this also works in MG!

 

[steinhaug]

If the games were NOT random, but percentage stabilised, like a Fruit machine, this tactic would most certainly work, and work well. In this case, the total "force" on the machine would be $2000, but would have cost only $500. A further deposit with no bonus, but then going WITH the software, and not trying to lose, would mean the percentage stabiliser kicks in, and returns 90% or so of the forced loss earlier, depending on the amount paid on the game.

I believe you know this works at MG aswell Vinylman! Loose fast in some games in MG and you will get a great feature in the next one! Believe me, it's so easy to do. To bad you keep loosing doing this - since you end in the 90-95% range. However, the peeks come just as you claim fruits does (and yes, there was a pun there!)

 

[vinylweatherman]

I believe you know this works at MG aswell Vinylman! Loose fast in some games in MG and you will get a great feature in the next one! Believe me, it's so easy to do. To bad you keep loosing doing this - since you end in the 90-95% range. However, the peeks come just as you claim fruits does (and yes, there was a pun there!)

MG seems more complicated, as there is no way to know when the mood will switch. When a game does get into a paying mood though, it seems to keep it up for a while, and then switch to a less generous mood. I find the most obvious indicator on their slots to be how the scatters fall.

Singly, once every few spins - bad mood.

singly almost every spin & with frequent pairs - paying mood

It all evens out in the end to the correct percentage, and there is no way to prove this statistically to the satisfaction of those who are convinced that the pseudo-random RNG used is as good as properly random.

Pamper casino - what software? Whatever it is, they have admitted their games are not random, but designed to adjust future payouts based on past events, allowing this "abuse" strategy to work. Surely this will backfire on them, as to hide their true intent, they have made the even more damaging admission that their games can be "rigged" to pay back a certain percentage, and this may not even be the natural percentage for the game given the card deck composition, or the reel strips on the slots.

One last thing, deliberately lose on a SLOTS BONUS How do you do that You can't hit on four cherries instead of sticking, can you

 

[steinhaug]

One last thing, deliberately lose on a SLOTS BONUS How do you do that You can't hit on four cherries instead of sticking, can you

When you loose in a way that the overall payout is low, say 50%. Since we all know the system soon will make you end up in the 90-95% range magically you will most likely win on your next session since MG wont allow you to keep playing with such a low payout over a period of time (read: credit, accuall money lost! You need to loose money!)! However, loosing $1000 in 5 spins of $200 doesn't make you win easily on $1 bets! However loosing on $5 bets could easily make you a winner on $1 bets. There seems to be a connection in the difference in wagering. Seems to me the system has a "turnaround" on $1500-$2000 in wagering before balancing out. If you have a fresh account you will most likely win over 100%, however not again after this point unless something magically happends with your wagering.

My experience anyway!