What is the worst payout percentage you ever had in a 10-15 day period?

[nikantw]

Not talking about rogues, you get the report percentage (95%- 99%) after a long time.
At short time period a jackpot can make that 100.000.000% . But how small can it be in 1/3 of a month?

My record is 54%. First 15 days of July, half an hour play per day. Same casino.
Gambling is fun, but how much fun can you get when you are losing like that?

Anyway, what about you?

No rogue casinos. And no casino names please, not here to trash or advertise anyone.

 

[Tirilej]

I would have answered that if I had any clue

I have never asked what it is and I don't think I want to know.
For me it really doesn't matter since I know it's sometimes really bad and sometimes really good.
Most of the time I just want some playtime and I know how to get that. If I also win a little or huge then that's fine too.

Not the answer you were looking for I know, but maybe it's also good to know that not everyone is chasing their losses

 

[chuchu59]

Not enough info..... I repeat..... Not enough info.

 

[nikantw]

I would have answered that if I had any clue

I have never asked what it is and I don't think I want to know.
For me it really doesn't matter since I know it's sometimes really bad and sometimes really good.
Most of the time I just want some playtime and I know how to get that. If I also win a little or huge then that's fine too.

Not the answer you were looking for I know, but maybe it's also good to know that not everyone is chasing their losses

No, I never count! I wouldn't know if support didn't tell me!
I only felt having much less playtime than usual.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I managed an RTP of just over 68% on a slot across 3500 spins, that one stung a bit.

It was a high variance slot, but even so, ouch.

 

[naththo]

I have another good example of worst payout percentage, Indian Dreamings from Aristocrat, during normal game returns you around 50% or more but free games with up to 15 times multiply will make up for it to 87.5% legal percantage payout in Australia. This is a high variance cos of high payout as in 5 of a kind range from $1.00 to $25.00.

There is similar one at Intercasino but free game is different is up to 20 all the time. Indian Dreamings range from 10 to 20 depends how many scattered it landed on. Sometimes in Indian Dreamings no free game for over 500 spins or more. So really it eats up your money fast!

Nathan.

 

[skiny]

I don't really concern myself too much with payout percentages. No matter what the number is you'll always be told it's not a big enough sample anyway.

Besides, you could have a 99% payout percentage and never have a dollar more than you started with. Doesn't really help much.

If you want a high payout percentage just play low variance games. You'll just keep winning most of your wager back until you're broke.

Play high variance games and maybe you'll go broke in 15 minutes or maybe you'll triple your balance in one bonus feature.

I don't even ask for a payout percentage. The number just doesn't help me. I know when I'm losing and I know when I'm winning. I know when I haven't had more than my starting balance from the last 10 deposits and I know when I've withdrawn more lately than I've deposited. Most people have a pretty good idea of what casinos are giving them lots of playtime and if you're not getting the playtime you like, then move on or change games.

Most casinos are happy to give you your payout percentage. If it's 50% or 150% It's not going to help you the next time you play. I've stopped depositing at some well known casinos lately because every time I do I lose my deposit as fast as I can spin. When I get that feeling from the casinos I am depositing at now, maybe I'll go back to the other ones.

Gambling starts when you decide which casino you're going to make your deposit at. After that all you can do is spin and hope for the best.

 

[Nifty29]

I don't really concern myself too much with payout percentages. No matter what the number is you'll always be told it's not a big enough sample anyway.

Besides, you could have a 99% payout percentage and never have a dollar more than you started with. Doesn't really help much.

If you want a high payout percentage just play low variance games. You'll just keep winning most of your wager back until you're broke.

Play high variance games and maybe you'll go broke in 15 minutes or maybe you'll triple your balance in one bonus feature.

I don't even ask for a payout percentage. The number just doesn't help me. I know when I'm losing and I know when I'm winning. I know when I haven't had more than my starting balance from the last 10 deposits and I know when I've withdrawn more lately than I've deposited. Most people have a pretty good idea of what casinos are giving them lots of playtime and if you're not getting the playtime you like, then move on or change games.

Most casinos are happy to give you your payout percentage. If it's 50% or 150% It's not going to help you the next time you play. I've stopped depositing at some well known casinos lately because every time I do I lose my deposit as fast as I can spin. When I get that feeling from the casinos I am depositing at now, maybe I'll go back to the other ones.

Gambling starts when you decide which casino you're going to make your deposit at. After that all you can do is spin and hope for the best.

I know what you're saying, but the fact is it that RTP does make a difference over the long term.

For example, the difference between our land slots here (86-88%) and online slots (92-96%) is incredible. Put it this way.....I haven't touched my local slots for years and they are 5 mins away.

 

[skiny]

I know what you're saying, but the fact is it that RTP does make a difference over the long term.

For example, the difference between our land slots here (86-88%) and online slots (92-96%) is incredible. Put it this way.....I haven't touched my local slots for years and they are 5 mins away.

I think it would make a difference if you planned to pick one casino and just play there and nowhere else. Thankfully we have the option to move on when a casino just doesn't seem to be paying anymore.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think it would make a difference if you planned to pick one casino and just play there and nowhere else. Thankfully we have the option to move on when a casino just doesn't seem to be paying anymore.

But that's entirely the wrong way to look at it, (assuming that all casinos offer genuine random games with no memory and no forward planning), don't think of it as 'a good session at 32Red' and 'a bad session at 3Dice' and then next week it's 'a bad session at 32Red' and 'a good session at 3Dice' etc etc

Think of your entire online gambling career as ONE SINGLE EXTENDED SLOTS SESSION, whereby your RTP is the combined RTP of every single spin you've ever played on every single slot - and that is the figure that is your long-term 'real' RTP.

This is why RTP matters, because over enough spins your RTP will always approach the T-RTP of the slots you're playing. Play high RTP slots and over time you'll lose less, play lower RTP slots and you'll lose more, that's all there is to it.

Let's say Casino X pays out at 90% RTP and Casino Y pays out at 95% RTP.

If you only ever played at Casino Y, your RTP over the long term would be 95%. If you only ever played at Casino X, your RTP over the long term would be 90%. (i.e. you would lose more if you only ever played at Casino X).

If you mixed up your play between Casino X and Casino Y (which would be what a normal player would do in real life), your RTP will be a combination of the two. But the simple fact of the matter is that the more you play at Casino X compared to Casino Y, the more you will lose.

The ONLY way this won't be the case is if either or both casinos are not offering fair and entirely random games, so this is where you get into the realms of the theories of MG 'streakiness' and suchlike.

Put it this way, personally speaking I limit my play at Jackpot Party for the simple reason that all their base reel games pay out at 92% (I only play there at all because I really like the WMS slots), at the other end of the scale I can play NetEnt slots at 96-99% or the slots at Pinnacle at 97.5% - so to me it's absolute madness to get too involved at Jackpot Party and voluntarily chuck my money away, because over time that low 92% RTP WILL hurt my bankroll.


EDIT - This is why I make such a big fuss about RTPs in general, and very much prefer to play at casinos where RTPs are listed on a game-by-game basic, because I know that over time, and enough spins, the T-RTP for any given slot is what my RTP for that slot will approach. 'Bad and good' sessions are erroneous data and should be discarded, the only figure that matters is the T-RTP, because in the end, that's what you'll get - guaranteed.

 

[skiny]

The RTP at 32Red has nothing to do with the RTP at 3Dice.

I play where I will get paid without any hassle as quick as possible as long as I don't keep losing deposit after deposit.

Knowing your daily, weekly, lifetime RTP at every single casino you ever played at won't help you in the least the next time you spin.

 

[Nifty29]

The RTP at 32Red has nothing to do with the RTP at 3Dice.

I play where I will get paid without any hassle as quick as possible as long as I don't keep losing deposit after deposit.

Knowing your daily, weekly, lifetime RTP at every single casino you ever played at won't help you in the least the next time you spin.

You're missing chopleys point. When he says RTP he means Theoretical RTP not actual RTP. You're right in saying your actual RTP is irrelevant to your next spin, whereas the T-RTP is entirely relevant.

Playing where you get paid quickly and don't lose deposit after deposit is a personal choice and a fair one, but in the long term, if these places have lower T-RTPs, you will actually lose more than at other casinos. It may be that you're choosing payout speed and service over returns.

You can argue until you're blue in the face about what you think about the (lack of) effect of T-RTP, but you will always be wrong. We are talking about pure mathematics. The fact that you ignore them doesn't make them any less factual.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with your choice, just that your insistence that RTP means nothing/little is misguided.

 

[09237653]

The first month of Bengal Tiger I had 47% RTP as confirmed by live chat.

 

[skiny]

You're missing chopleys point. When he says RTP he means Theoretical RTP not actual RTP. You're right in saying your actual RTP is irrelevant to your next spin, whereas the T-RTP is entirely relevant.

Playing where you get paid quickly and don't lose deposit after deposit is a personal choice and a fair one, but in the long term, if these places have lower T-RTPs, you will actually lose more than at other casinos. It may be that you're choosing payout speed and service over returns.

You can argue until you're blue in the face about what you think about the (lack of) effect of T-RTP, but you will always be wrong. We are talking about pure mathematics. The fact that you ignore them doesn't make them any less factual.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with your choice, just that your insistence that RTP means nothing/little is misguided.

Well, the math may say differently but these advertised RTP's are calculated over millions of spins and not on a player by player basis. I could spin 500,000 times and have an 80% RTP and you could spin 500,000 times and have a 110% and knowing they advertise 97% never helped either one of us.

Even if you spun a million times and kept track of your RTP the entire time a thousand other people are playing the same game so the game could be paying 97% and unlucky you is only running 82%.

I'm sure you of all people know it's not the casino's fault that your RTP is no where near the advertised 97%.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well, the math may say differently but these advertised RTP's are calculated over millions of spins and not on a player by player basis. I could spin 500,000 times and have an 80% RTP and you could spin 500,000 times and have a 110% and knowing they advertise 97% never helped either one of us.

Even if you spun a million times and kept track of your RTP the entire time a thousand other people are playing the same game so the game could be paying 97% and unlucky you is only running 82%.

I'm sure you of all people know it's not the casino's fault that your RTP is no where near the advertised 97%.

You're still not getting it dude.

Think of every spin of an online slot as the spin of a roulette wheel, a random, independent event with no memory and no forward planning.

Let's say you only ever bet on the single number 26, some casinos only offer European roulette (one 0) and some casinos only offer American roulette (two 0s). Your RTP is better on European roulette as the house advantage is less.

Roulette reaches its T-RTP a lot quicker than slots, because the number of outcomes is massively reduced, but the principles behind the games are identical.

Over time, your T-RTP at the European roulette casinos is going to be 97.3%, and at the American roulette casinos it's going to be 94.8%. (You'll achieve these RTPs pretty quickly, and the more you play American roulette compared to European roulette, the more you'll lose.)

So if we go back to my example of Casino X and Casino Y before, exactly the same principles apply, it will take the slots much longer to reach their T-RTP, and indeed you may never play enough spins to see those T-RTPs achieved, but over time your results WILL gravitate towards the expected T-RTP and you WILL lose more at casinos that have lower T-RTPs.

Even if you spun a million times and kept track of your RTP the entire time a thousand other people are playing the same game so the game could be paying 97% and unlucky you is only running 82%.

This is potentially true, but the fact that other people are achieving 97% or 150% or whatever compared to your 82% is of no relevance whatsoever, random games are in no way compensated so the software doesn't 'know' that some people are winning so therefore some people have to lose. Every spin of every slot for every player is an entirely independent and random event.

The ONLY thing that determines how you're going to fare on a slot in the long term is the T-RTP, that's it. And that's why it is the single most important number when you're choosing a casino to play at and which games to play.

 

[Nifty29]

You're still not getting it dude.

Think of every spin of an online slot as the spin of a roulette wheel, a random, independent event with no memory and no forward planning.

Let's say you only ever bet on the single number 26, some casinos only offer European roulette (one 0) and some casinos only offer American roulette (two 0s). Your RTP is better on European roulette as the house advantage is less.

Roulette reaches its T-RTP a lot quicker than slots, because the number of outcomes is massively reduced, but the principles behind the games are identical.

Over time, your T-RTP at the European roulette casinos is going to be 97.3%, and at the American roulette casinos it's going to be 94.8%. (You'll achieve these RTPs pretty quickly, and the more you play American roulette compared to European roulette, the more you'll lose.)

So if we go back to my example of Casino X and Casino Y before, exactly the same principles apply, it will take the slots much longer to reach their T-RTP, and indeed you may never play enough spins to see those T-RTPs achieved, but over time your results WILL gravitate towards the expected T-RTP and you WILL lose more at casinos that have lower T-RTPs.



This is potentially true, but the fact that other people are achieving 97% or 150% or whatever compared to your 82% is of no relevance whatsoever, random games are in no way compensated so the software doesn't 'know' that some people are winning so therefore some people have to lose. Every spin of every slot for every player is an entirely independent and random event.

The ONLY thing that determines how you're going to fare on a slot in the long term is the T-RTP, that's it. And that's why it is the single most important number when you're choosing a casino to play at and which games to play.

Excellent post.

Some will never accept facts, which in this case are irrefutable.

 

[chuchu59]

Some of us may know the meaning of 'rtp' inside out but the more we know the less fun we are likely to have as it simply tells us we must lose given the house edge. Just play on and disregard it and you may find the slots entertaining.

 

[skiny]

Except that it's pretty rare that any player anywhere playing at any casino ever is running the T-RTP for that particular casino. 5 to 10% over under is pretty normal I would think.

I can see you saying your chances are better if the RTP is 97% here and 94% there mathmatically but I prefer to believe my chances are pretty good that I'll go way over that. That's how I make withdrawals. And if the chances are pretty good that I'll go way over the chances are probably better that I'll go way under.

And I still say, in the end knowing it didn't help me in the least. That's the beauty and the curse of random events. No matter what you know something else usually happens anyway.

 

[Tirilej]

I agree with Skiny here.

Put them all in 91%, 95% or 97%. I still don't care and play where I feel for it the moment I want to play.
I know I will lose over time, but, in the meantime I will lose some and also have some huge winnings.

I can't chose casino over its RTP since I have no control over how much I have played in that casino particulary over time.
Does any of you know? If you don't then I don't think it matters in the long run anyway.

Thinking about it you would need to know how much for each game in each casino
Wouldn't it spoil all the fun?

 

[Nifty29]

Except that it's pretty rare that any player anywhere playing at any casino ever is running the T-RTP for that particular casino. 5 to 10% over under is pretty normal I would think.

I can see you saying your chances are better if the RTP is 97% here and 94% there mathmatically but I prefer to believe my chances are pretty good that I'll go way over that. That's how I make withdrawals. And if the chances are pretty good that I'll go way over the chances are probably better that I'll go way under.

And I still say, in the end knowing it didn't help me in the least. That's the beauty and the curse of random events. No matter what you know something else usually happens anyway.

Yes.....and if you're playing at a 94% casino your RTP will be 84% and if you're playing at a 97% casino then your RTP will be 97%....so which is the better option?

You can talk about ignoring TRTP and just playing where you feel like, and that's your choice, but it doesn't change the fact that in the long term you will lose more playing at casinos with lower RTP. It's not a POV or an argument or an opinion....it is a fact.

The fact that you are ahead at some points and behind at others is down to variance not RTP. The lower the variance the less the pendulum swings either way, but when the programmed RTP is lower, you will lose more over time. Again, a fact.

Nobody said that knowing all of this affects the outcome of each single spin. It affects your overall spins cumulatively. You're just clutching at straws trying to argue against known facts and its beginning to sound a little silly and not something I would expect from someone who I know is smarter than that.

Knowing the facts about RTP DOES make a difference to your chances of winning by allowing you to make the right choice about where you play and gives you the opportunity to reduce the edge that the house has against you. Anyone who thinks that is unimportant is the old fool there's no fool like (proverbially).

 

[Tirilej]

@Nifty
I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but I do understand perfectly what you are saying, and I believe it really would matter, if every casino had the same payout%. They don't.

If you or I had the choice to play at Inetbet that had 95% or at Jackpot Capital that had 97%, I believe both of us would chose Inetbet anyway. We would take the chance, just because they pay faster and we wouldn't feel cheated anyway.

The same goes for every casino we chose to play at. Of course we would like all casinos to be set at 99%, but since they aren't we have to chose what is best for us anyway.
Does that make me an old fool? Maybe I am because winning isn't the most important thing for me.
Not even in the long run, since I know I will lose anyway.

That doesn't mean I don't think it's not important with RTP,TRTP or anything else, but I chose to let you worry about that, and I will continue to have fun playing wherever I want to.

 

[Jasminebed]

The RTP on a game is not the only factor at play here. If it was, none of us would be playing slots.

A casino's loyalty program, free chips, bonuses, cashback, can all boost a player's individual RTP to be competive with another offering higher payback on the slots.

I simply enjoy some games more than others as well. For me that's an essential part of the gambling experience.

 

[Nifty29]

@Nifty
I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but I do understand perfectly what you are saying, and I believe it really would matter, if every casino had the same payout%. They don't.

If you or I had the choice to play at Inetbet that had 95% or at Jackpot Capital that had 97%, I believe both of us would chose Inetbet anyway. We would take the chance, just because they pay faster and we wouldn't feel cheated anyway.

The same goes for every casino we chose to play at. Of course we would like all casinos to be set at 99%, but since they aren't we have to chose what is best for us anyway.
Does that make me an old fool? Maybe I am because winning isn't the most important thing for me.
Not even in the long run, since I know I will lose anyway.

That doesn't mean I don't think it's not important with RTP,TRTP or anything else, but I chose to let you worry about that, and I will continue to have fun playing wherever I want to.

Actually, if all casinos were the same, it would NOT matter. You choose the 95% over the 97% because of faster payouts, which is fine. However, what you're really doing is sacrificing better payouts for faster payouts. It's a trade off, but it doesn't change the fact that a higher RTP means the house edge is less which means that you lose less

Jasmine touched on an interesting point. Promos, bonuses etc all make a difference at the end of the day and have an effect on our RTP overall at the end of the day. However, once again the RTP of the actual games are vital when assessing whether one is really getting a good deal or not. If you play at a 97% casino and continually take -EV bonuses, you are giving the casino a higher edge, to such a point that one may be better off playing a 95% casino with no bonus or with some +EV offers. It's a known fact that higher RTP casinos offer less attractive bonuses, or in some cases very few bonuses at all. Now, my question to skiny and others is why is this the case if RTP really doesn't mean anything?

We make choices regarding play based on promos and service and payouts etc.....sure we all do to some degree, but none of these decisions can be sound ones without knowing where your starting point is.....and that starting point is TRTP.

 

[Tirilej]

If I say it like this instead. I don't think it has been one month since I started playing that I didn't have a single cashout.
I used to take bonuses, now I rarily use them, more than on 32Red's casinos. Not to win but to get playtime.

I have no clue if I'm up or below when it comes to winnings, since I take out a lot when I'm winning larger amounts.

I don't know the RTP for any of the casinos I play at. I have never bothered to find out. I'm doing fine anyway.
Can you see it from my point of view now?

If I didn't win anytime, then I might would start thinking about it, but I'll wait until that happen

 

[skiny]

Actually, if all casinos were the same, it would NOT matter. You choose the 95% over the 97% because of faster payouts, which is fine. However, what you're really doing is sacrificing better payouts for faster payouts. It's a trade off, but it doesn't change the fact that a higher RTP means the house edge is less which means that you lose less

Jasmine touched on an interesting point. Promos, bonuses etc all make a difference at the end of the day and have an effect on our RTP overall at the end of the day. However, once again the RTP of the actual games are vital when assessing whether one is really getting a good deal or not. If you play at a 97% casino and continually take -EV bonuses, you are giving the casino a higher edge, to such a point that one may be better off playing a 95% casino with no bonus or with some +EV offers. It's a known fact that higher RTP casinos offer less attractive bonuses, or in some cases very few bonuses at all. Now, my question to skiny and others is why is this the case if RTP really doesn't mean anything?

We make choices regarding play based on promos and service and payouts etc.....sure we all do to some degree, but none of these decisions can be sound ones without knowing where your starting point is.....and that starting point is TRTP.

Because you're talking about theoretical RTP not guaranteed RTP over the entire casino. I might be running 10% over where it's 94% and you might be running 10% under where it's 97% or vice versa because there is no guarantee that either of us will ever see the theoretical RTP at any casino. And even if every random event at every casino actually followed the mathematical probabilities which is very unlikely you're still only talking about a 3% higher payout over millions of spins. There is a slim chance this might make a difference in the long run but there is a better chance that faster, no hassle payouts and good service will make more of a difference the entire life of your membership at any casino.

Some casinos may offer better bonuses because they offer lower RTPs but I think most casinos offer bigger bonuses for the sole purpose of attracting players away from other casinos in general and the bigger the bonus the worse the terms and conditions is a pretty good general rule so you're probably no further ahead either way.

Microgaming casinos may have a higher RTP than RTG or Playtech casinos but after literally thousands of deposits I'm lucky if I can exceed my starting balance once in a while by 20 bucks almost every time I play these games. You might do quite well playing them but knowing the RTP won't change any of it. Every gambling session is just a massive string of random events (or at least it's supposed to be.) Play where you're comfortable and you know you won't have any hassle getting paid and you'll be more likely to enjoy your experience. Bog yourself down in mathematics and you're no longer playing just for the entertainment. When that happens you're probably better off not playing anyway.