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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Renegade, Jun 14, 2006.

    Jun 14, 2006
  1. Renegade

    Renegade Dormant account

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    USA
    Hi all,

    I was just wondering about something.


    What if a legit casino required players to be verified BEFORE they made a deposit.

    Would a casino like this be more legit in players eyes and have more trust overall then what the current casinos hold now???

    Would players be more inclined to play at this casino then at others???
     
  2. Jun 15, 2006
  3. Renegade

    Renegade Dormant account

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    well, since there are no answers I must assume the answer is no.

    So I don't understand what all the bitching is about.
     
  4. Jun 15, 2006
  5. CasinoForumu

    CasinoForumu Dormant account

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    If a casino required players to be verified before they made a deposit,most of people dont play there and find another casino.

    It will be very good to verified before playing.

    But all casinos must start to do this.
     
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  6. Jun 15, 2006
  7. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    It depends on what exactly you mean by 'verified'

    If you mean checking the player to make sure he is not claiming a bonus he is not entitled to, then yes, they should do it.
    But it should only take the software a matter of seconds to verify this before the player makes his deposit.
    In my opinion the main reason many casinos don't check this up front is to give them a good excuse to withhold winnings if the player profits. Of course they also get to keep the losses if the player is unlucky. A win-win situation for the casino. :eek2:

    If you mean checking the players is who he says he is, then the casino could do this straight away after the deposit is accepted and reach their decision within an hour.
    If there was any cause for concern they should ask for ID etc. immediately. Again, I think most casino's don't do any checks until a withdrawal request is made for the same reason as above.

    I think all casino's should honour withdrawals by the same method used to deposit instantly up to say 5x the deposit amount without any questions. (After all, they take our money instantly!) They should only do further checks if there is anything suspicious, the amount is very large, or a different pay-out method is being used.

    If all casinos did this they would all gain much more respect & trust from the gambling public.
     
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  8. Jun 15, 2006
  9. lottethedog

    lottethedog Dormant account

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    I think only one casino groups did this once MGM or something in the isle of man. they required id etc before being able to open and play....

    they are no longer.....

    might have got respect but player will play were its easier
     
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  10. Jun 15, 2006
  11. soflat

    soflat Senior Member

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    I prefer places that require no docs. So I would not be more inclined to play at an outfit that requires me to send my personal documents to Costa Rica, Antiqua, etc.
     
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  12. Jun 15, 2006
  13. Renegade

    Renegade Dormant account

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    I would like to thank all of you for responding to my questions.

    The reason I asked was because a friend and myself was thinking about buying another casino, I wanted to try and implement a simple process that would be to verify the player to make sure no fraud was taking place. Then, when a player wins, bang, they get their money with no questions asked.
    Well, after reading some of these responses, I've decided to go with a poker room LOL :thumbsup:
    Again, thank you.
    I do agree that the industry needs to show more concern for the players and less concern about the money.
    Proving to players that a casino has their interests in mind instead of their bank accounts, would be a step in the right direction IMO.
     
  14. Jun 15, 2006
  15. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Bots

    This could be harder to police! Unlike a casino, players using bots or colluding directly affects the other players. Now we seem to have poker rooms denying winnings on what appear rather unlikely accusations. Seeing this, I would probably rather stick to a casino. Losing a $100,000 poker payout due to some seemingly far fetched and unproven accusation of cheating would be too stressful. The big poker rooms will probably freeze out the smaller ones anyway, unless you became a portal for one of the big poker networks in the way some of the casinos have, rather than running their own.
     
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  16. Jun 16, 2006
  17. The Watchdog

    The Watchdog Dormant account

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    Costa Rica
    Ids

    For me its simple

    They only reason I would request id is for age verification (unless the customer uses his credit card).

    I will request it more if he is trying to deposit more than 500 with the card
    or making several deposits.

    The best will be for everyone to request id prior allowing a customer to play.

    Customers should always have their ID scanned and saved in their hard drive and it will be great if people were taught this manner.

    However if an underage person gets online and wins some, all I will do will be to void winnings, refund the deposit and send the little guy an email informing him to be careful regarding wagering online.
     
  18. Jun 21, 2006
  19. cupojoe

    cupojoe Banned User

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    hmm TheWatchdog said "However if an underage person gets online and wins some, all I will do will be to void winnings, refund the deposit and send the little guy an email informing him to be careful regarding wagering online"

    so what happens if he loses? you didnt say anything about refunding the deposit then. also, someone underage is not allowed to enter into contracts and if you didnt get his id first and stop him from depositing, hes not responsible for the deposit and can dispute it easily.

    Also, you are the one that needs to be careful not an underage person as i said above. check id or take the risk of dispute. (although checking id upfront is hard or a hassle to some players who wont play there then)
     
  20. Jun 23, 2006
  21. oncaga

    oncaga Dormant account

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    no regulation; an industry wide problem

    I believe that the problem here is a derivative from the lack of regulation the online gambling industry has.

    I totally support ID checks BEFORE a deposit. The problem would be that all online casinos would have to do this, or else players will just go to another online casino that doesn't require this. This measure would directly benefit casinos, but not derectly benefit players (they care about KISS). For this reason, I don't know of any casino that requires ID check before a deposit, and I can't imageine it being a good business move.

    Hopefully the day will come when the industry gets some regulation, and all parties will benefit.
     
  22. Jun 24, 2006
  23. The Watchdog

    The Watchdog Dormant account

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    Costa Rica
    True

    My bad, however if a little guy gets on my casino and runs daddy's credit card for $1000 I will contact him right away.

    Some casinos have their cashier set up in order allow as many deposits possible... This is not good service.

    Requesting id prior depositing could lead for customers to go some where else.

    If gamblers were informed, all of them will have scanned copy of their ID saved. However this is far away from the truth.

    Identification is easy. Upon registering the account you provide date of birth and all the details. State on the Terms and Conditions that any invalid information on the Registration that can not be verified will lead to the void of any winnings.

    Also parents should step on the matter and monitor what their kids do, is not only responsability of the industry.

    Remember the case some months ago about the little kid running his dad's card for 30k in 30 minutes??? ( which is hard for me to believe) the story ended in the banks reimbursing the funds.. that is just awful. The kid was sorry, but also blame of their parents for not keeping their cc information safe.
     
  24. Jun 24, 2006
  25. bb1webs

    bb1webs Webmaster

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    gambling portal webmaster
    Location:
    BondedCasinos.com
    One of the casinos I used to list (and perhaps still have it listed somewhere. I basically let it slip thru the cracks because it never proved to be popular, ... either that or their tracking wasn't any good. Either way, if I list a casino and it hasn't gotten any players in a reasonable amount of time I stop bothering with it) but anyway they had what i thought was fantastic deal where after the player has signed up that they were persistent in getting the player's cash-in requirements all done while not being annoying.

    They'd contact periodically and always had a bonus of .. . I think it was $100 for completing the cash-in requirements ... and of course ideally they accomplished the goal prior to the player having had the chance to have won enough money to be wanting to cash out. *of course I'm certain there were times when it didn't happen that way, but you could easily tell the idea was to get everything jake before the cash-out became a reality.

    I think that's a great idea. And I encourage all players (on my sites) to take the initiative and get the cash-in process completed before hand at any casino

    probably not foolproof because there's always the chance a casino is going to want fresh documents ... which I'm sad to admit that might well likely be contingent on the size of the cash-in.
     

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